Looking at Thursday. My G1 has recently started to have issues with its hardware keyboard. I've decided to upgrade. I've recently been reading around researching, etc. So far...
1) I see two methods of Rooting. Either Anon_Ra's method (Gold card. ) or the One-step method with the security exploit. Other than the simplicity, is the one step method safe? I'd do the gold card since I'll have an 8GB and a 4GB card handy. I also have a 512MB card.
2) Can Cyanogen's Pimped Out Recovery 1.4 run on the MT3G?
3) When I first get the MT3G shall there be any radio or SPL updates before even touching rooting?
4) What is HBoot?
5) I'd like to run A2SD, and with Cyanogen's Pimped Out Recovery console I can partition a card within 2-3mins. If COR doesn't work on the MT3G what will?
Just out of interest, why don't you get a Hero rather than a MT3G? If I was upgrading from a G1 I think that would be my choice.
Anyhow, here are my opinions:
1) The one step method seems to be safe. I haven't seen any threads from people bricking their phones using the one step method.
2) Maybe. I'm using Amon_RA's recovery image which does all the same stuff.
3) No - read the sapphire hacking wiki, your questions are answered in there! - its a sticky thread at the top of the rom development board
4) What is HBoot? Indicates the type of SPL you have installed
5) The Amon_RA recovery image can partition your card like this. But you don't need to use A2SD on the MT3G. It has more than enough space for app and cache storage on the phone (which will provide faster read/write than storing it on the sd card). It even has enough space for a swap file on the phone storage rather than a dedicated swap partition.
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Can someone point into the right direction on doing the apps to sd card process? I downloaded Paragon and all the files and now I am wondering which link to follow? Sorry I tried another process and my G1 would just stay at the boot up screen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512743 I am a little confused on this link? I have a 1gb card that is already formatted...in which order do I follow the steps?
You aren't giving us much information to go on. What build are you running? That method uses Unionfs, not all builds support that method.
As stated, we are going to need more information on the ROM you are running.
If you are using Cyanogen's Recovery, you can do all the partitioning from the Console.
JF 1.5 and JF Heros theme
I followed the steps on the link below to do the hero rom my G1, did the root, rom and then when I got to the apps to sd process, the phone just stayed on boot up with the G1 screen.
http://theunlockr.com/2009/06/24/how-to-load-the-htc-hero-rom-onto-your-g1/
So I am still trying to do the apps to sd process
FenderGuy said:
JF 1.5 and JF Heros theme
I followed the steps on the link below to do the hero rom my G1, did the root, rom and then when I got to the apps to sd process, the phone just stayed on boot up with the G1 screen.
http://theunlockr.com/2009/06/24/how-to-load-the-htc-hero-rom-onto-your-g1/
So I am still trying to do the apps to sd process
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Well that's even more confusing, because you have mentioned two different ROM's with two completely different A2SD methods. JAC Hero uses automatic A2SD if you have an ext2/3 partition, so if you do you should be good to go. If you just want cupcake, I'd go with Cyanogen's build. Has everything JF1.5 does and more, but it also has automatic A2SD aslong as you have ext2/3. Hope that helped, please try to be more explicit
Sorry
My first on all this and it does get confusing when i try to do it.
I have a G1 that has been updated with the 1.5, i followed the steps to root, install a rom, I used JF files as I followed the link above...While trying to do save the apps to sd card process with the linda manger and trying to set the part on the sd card, something went wrong. it doesnt work for me, my G1 just stays on the G1 screen on boot up....so i had to reload the JF rom...
This is what I would like to do:
1. Do the apps to sd card process
2. Get the Hero rom on my G1
I am stuck on #1 before I can do #2
FenderGuy said:
Sorry
My first on all this and it does get confusing when i try to do it.
I have a G1 that has been updated with the 1.5, i followed the steps to root, install a rom, I used JF files as I followed the link above...While trying to do save the apps to sd card process with the linda manger and trying to set the part on the sd card, something went wrong. it doesnt work for me, my G1 just stays on the G1 screen on boot up....so i had to reload the JF rom...
This is what I would like to do:
1. Do the apps to sd card process
2. Get the Hero rom on my G1
I am stuck on #1 before I can do #2
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Ahh thank you, this clears things up.
Apps2SD is dependent on the ROM, so when you get A2SD on one ROM and want to switch to another you have to start again (not always, but that's besides the point ). So, forget about A2SD on JF, because you go to hero it will break.
What you need to do, is format the Fat32, ext3 and linux-swap, then install the Jac Hero ROM. Please ignore that Jac Hero video you linked to, it will just complicate things. After you have partitioned that card correctly, you also need to upgrade the SPL. This is risky, you could brick the device, but as long as you follow the directions you will be fine.
You have several options for formatting the card
1) Buying Paragon 9 for windows
2) Using a live Ubuntu cd
3) using the terminal in cyanogens recovery image
Easiest is using cyanogen's recovery image
you can find it here : here
afterwards format the card using the guide on the Jac Hero page
Ok I'm a newbie and sorry to be asking so many questions but I should format my sd card to fat32 and ext3 and linux-swap?
I have Paragon 9 for windows and would prefer to do it this way, so the sd card will have 3 parts?
And then I can just load the Hero Rom as you suggested?
I am so excited I have to give props to this link
Best link ever!!!!!!!!!!! Have Hero on my G1, its laggy but I am excited to put on the Mytouch when it comes out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533731
This linked helped so much and I did the install in less then 10 minutes since all the other links were confusing me, I recommend this link for newbs like me....
I am amazed at the hero software its cool
Hey Guys!
Ok so I did the 1 touch root via unlocker.com. I am running Amon_RA's lates recovery image. Now I have a couple of questions.
1) Should I change the radio or keep the one that came with mytouch standard?
2) What is the best Hero rom out for TMobile Mytouch users?
3) I see that in recovery mode, there is actually an option that says Format + ext2 etc. Now if I do this am I good to go with any of the hero roms? Or do I have to click on convert to ext3 after I am done with the formatting?
4) With the G1 flashing the radio and spl were a must, on the mytouch do I have to change the spl or am I good with the factory spl?
Thank you for your help!
First, don't load a hero rom until you get AT LEAST a class 4 SD card. And even that is not worth running hero. I suggest an 8gb class-6 from ebay PQI makes the best IMO. While you are waiting try cyanogen, and remember your device is 32B if you bought it from t-mo in the usa.
No need to change the SPL here is what you need to do...
http://theunlockr.com/2009/08/29/how-to-root-the-htc-magic-in-one-click/
After you root you can then follow the next guide for installing roms
http://theunlockr.com/2009/08/29/how-to-load-a-custom-rom-on-your-htc-magic/
(make sure you partition to at least ext3)
The ROM you are going to want is Drizzys latest w/ BFS here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=558017
Get version 1.4r1 -- (vm, cpu, and swapping is already set.)
After you get a hang of things you should get the android SDK, and get good at using the terminal.
Thanks for all this. I really appreciate your input. I have a 4gb class 6 sd card and an 8gb class 2 sd card. Based on what you've said though, I think I will try the 4gb class 6, and if I have issues I will order a class 6 8gb.
Thank you once again!
Does the one click root also unroot with one click? thanks
I am a complete noob when it comes to phones, but i did manage to root my MyTouch3g using the tutorial from Unlockrz.com...anyways, i loaded up the dwang-1.12 ROM, and it is working quite fine. Waaaay faster than before. Now i have some questions though. I've seen lots of people talk about using apps like swapper or DroidSwap in order to speed up phone by using memory from their sd cards? idk if i got that correctly, but anyways, i would like a step by step explanation on how to use this feature. Thank you.
Also, another quick question, how do i know if my ROM is the latest version? i assume the phone doesnt check for itself, so any ideas where to check/get the updates? and would i have to delete everything on the phone? any help is much appreciated.
If you did it by the tutorial at Unlockr.com, then you should have the amon_ra recovery image already. What you will want to do is go to "Partition sd card", then partition your sd card. It'll ask you to set the swap, ext (which you won't really need unless you use ROMs like superD where app2sd is automatically set). By setting swap on your phone via recovery image, certain ROMs will detect your swap right away and use it, again like superD.
I don't know about dwang since I have never used it myself. However, maybe you should look into flashing other ROMs that are used for G1. Since you have a MT3G, you will be able to flash almost all ROMs that are made for the G1. The only bad part is that some ROMs use app2sd when MT3G users have enough internal memory to have a lot of apps on board without app2sd.
Also, MT3G users do not require DangerSPL when flashing G1 ROMs even with sense, eclair, or some other ROMs that require it. With that in mind, try the latest superD ROM which is posted on the G1 Development section or maybe cyanogenmod 5? Very popular these days introducing a new era for G1/MT3G with 2.1!
You may also use swapper from the market, and it'll automatically set it up for you if you select "swap on" from swapper. But I recommend partitioning regardless because with swapper, every time you boot, you have to apply it again.
Hi,
last time i came in here unhappy with my stock HD2 on tmobUK android was just emerging on SD, now i came in here the other day WP7 is available as NAND and so is android....things seem to be a little confusing now, quite a few of these great ROMS are from people whos first language is not english so its quite hard to sometimes understand what they are explaining so i would be greatful if someone could answer somes questions, i have tried to read threads as best i can but some of them, well most actually are well into the hundreds within hours.
1) A lot of chefs describe NAND and SD, i know the difference between the two, but then they get mixed with magldr and NAND with ext4 etc etc..basically i want to flash the phones software to my NAND, i am assuming this is the best way to have it running at its optimum ?..so if i do this why would i need ext4 partions on the SD as well ? whats the benefit of it ?
2) i have also noticed that you can scan a barcode and have a link download a new rom to your phone and flash it, could i do this with ANY rom straight over the top of another without question ? and everything will be as it should be.
3) Does each ROM need to be set up in a different way?, this partly answers the previous question.
4) i flashed WP7 to my NAND (i think)..i was not happy with it and i had magldr installed, i just formatted my SD card to fat32 popped it back in and followed instructions to put [Feb 01][DL DesireZ v3.4][DL Data2SD/Ext4 v2.6][Nand/SD/MAGLAR] on to it.... it took me into magldr and told me to do a few things...did this flash to my NAND ? and did it do what was needed to the SD card regarding format or was it up to me to make certain changes to the SD card myself ?..the phone works and i can make calls, but all the apps that are stated to be in the ROM are not there, i cant find any GPS stuff and when i go to market place itsays its downloading an app but i can never see it.
As you can see i really am quite discombobulated with all this...i would love a easy reading guide that explains everything from A-B and all the terminolgy.
Thanks.
1. Many of these Android roms would swamp the entire memory of the EU HD2, so a workaround is to have partitions on the sd cards to store apps and data, leaving the system to run on NAND. When you update your rom, you just flash the system files and all app and data remains on the sd card.
2. The QR code just allows you to download the rom to your phone. You would still need to flash it AFAIK. (Heven't tried one of those yet). There are basically 2 types of NAND Android roms. One type use the more conventional flash type where you run an exe (daf.exe) from the usb flasher option on magldr. The 2nd (more recent type) packs the roms as zips which you can download and copy to your sd card and then using Clockwork mod, you can flash the rom directly from your sd card. This also allows you to take full backups, try another rom and if you don't like it you merely restore the rom.
3.Each rom and each dev has their own way of building these roms, so you will need to read carefully regarding what to do wrt sd card partitions etc.
4. Flashing WP7 and the Android rom via magldr would have installed the rom to NAND. You would need to partition your sd card yourself prior to flashing the rom. There are tutorials on how to partition the sd card to give you more help.
loady said:
Hi,
last time i came in here unhappy with my stock HD2 on tmobUK android was just emerging on SD, now i came in here the other day WP7 is available as NAND and so is android....things seem to be a little confusing now, quite a few of these great ROMS are from people whos first language is not english so its quite hard to sometimes understand what they are explaining so i would be greatful if someone could answer somes questions, i have tried to read threads as best i can but some of them, well most actually are well into the hundreds within hours.
1) A lot of chefs describe NAND and SD, i know the difference between the two, but then they get mixed with magldr and NAND with ext4 etc etc..basically i want to flash the phones software to my NAND, i am assuming this is the best way to have it running at its optimum ?..so if i do this why would i need ext4 partions on the SD as well ? whats the benefit of it ?
2) i have also noticed that you can scan a barcode and have a link download a new rom to your phone and flash it, could i do this with ANY rom straight over the top of another without question ? and everything will be as it should be.
3) Does each ROM need to be set up in a different way?, this partly answers the previous question.
4) i flashed WP7 to my NAND (i think)..i was not happy with it and i had magldr installed, i just formatted my SD card to fat32 popped it back in and followed instructions to put [Feb 01][DL DesireZ v3.4][DL Data2SD/Ext4 v2.6][Nand/SD/MAGLAR] on to it.... it took me into magldr and told me to do a few things...did this flash to my NAND ? and did it do what was needed to the SD card regarding format or was it up to me to make certain changes to the SD card myself ?..the phone works and i can make calls, but all the apps that are stated to be in the ROM are not there, i cant find any GPS stuff and when i go to market place itsays its downloading an app but i can never see it.
As you can see i really am quite discombobulated with all this...i would love a easy reading guide that explains everything from A-B and all the terminolgy.
Thanks.
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1) MAGLDR is nothing but kind of a bootloader. You can select how you want to start your ROM. AD SD or NAND or also now you can back up ROMS with MAGLDR... SD ROMS use haret.exe method. NAND uses DFT.exe method. there is another way called Clockwork MOD which uses .zip method.
Differences:-
SD Method: you have winmo 6.5 on NAND and android on SD card.
NAND Method: you install android on NAND itself.
Clockwork MOD: you install android on NAND but the benefits include you can backup your whole ROM in the actual state and flash it back later... So you can try different ROMs without worrying about installing apps and adjusting settings on the ones you like.
ext4 is a type of partition used by system. you can use the ROM which supports APP2SD and put your apps on ext4 partition.
2) As for the barcode ones. I am not sure how that works, but deffinately not as easy as you are thinking...
3) All the NAND roms use DAF.exe method so you do not need to worry about setting up the ROMs or anything. It does it for you. But some NAND roms have capabilities for APP2SD, in that case you might have to format your SD card in some particular way (explained in the threads always) to get ext2/3/4 partition to use app2sd.
4) you can flash WP7 only on NAND as there is no other way to do it for now. As for the new build you used, it has more than 1 versions. SD and NAND. If you followed the instructions for NAND and used DAF.exe to install it, then the ROM is already set up for you on NAND. Now the build you used had data2sd option and you can format your SD card as the author has said to use app2sd functionality.
One more thing, mostly TMO US users do not need app2sd as they have enough space on their phone. So if you are TMO US user, you can opt your self out from that headache.
Hope this helps. Just for the clarification, I am also a newb... I tried my level best to answer your questions...
QR codes are just text, in this case a URL. Instead of making you type the URL on your phone, you can just scan it with a special app, and get taken to the URL. Nothing more.
Thanks guys...the fog is clearing a little now...just a few reiterations..
So if i opt to flash to NAND, is it flashing it to the NAND upon each boot or is it written once and thats it, it seems to take a little while longer to boot these ROMS on NAND than a stock ROM..so for instance, if i was to remove the SD card after shutting down the phone and then start it up again, would it not boot because its looking for the ROM on the SD to put into NAND ?...i understand that running from the SD card it just boots from the SD card.
So basically the last ROM i installed, as i did not pre setup the partitions on SD card, FAT32/1024mb ext4/512mb ext4 and went on to flash the rom it has ONLY flashed the ROM WITHOUT the apps and everything else it was supposed to have pre installed already ?...so i have now setup my SD card and i am going to follow through again from scratch and hopefully have the ROM running with all the said apps.
My SD card being setup FAT32 / 1024 ext4 / 512 ext4 doesnt seem to be a lot of space to store apps on the ext4 partitions, what data goes on what partitions...and do i HAVE to have the ext 4 at the stated sizes ?
Thanks again guys for your input, you have all been really helpful.
loady said:
Thanks guys...the fog is clearing a little now...just a few reiterations..
So if i opt to flash to NAND, is it flashing it to the NAND upon each boot or is it written once and thats it, it seems to take a little while longer to boot these ROMS on NAND than a stock ROM..so for instance, if i was to remove the SD card after shutting down the phone and then start it up again, would it not boot because its looking for the ROM on the SD to put into NAND ?...i understand that running from the SD card it just boots from the SD card.
So basically the last ROM i installed, as i did not pre setup the partitions on SD card, FAT32/1024mb ext4/512mb ext4 and went on to flash the rom it has ONLY flashed the ROM WITHOUT the apps and everything else it was supposed to have pre installed already ?...so i have now setup my SD card and i am going to follow through again from scratch and hopefully have the ROM running with all the said apps.
My SD card being setup FAT32 / 1024 ext4 / 512 ext4 doesnt seem to be a lot of space to store apps on the ext4 partitions, what data goes on what partitions...and do i HAVE to have the ext 4 at the stated sizes ?
Thanks again guys for your input, you have all been really helpful.
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If you use NAND then you can start your phone without SD card. The build is on NAND(ROM). Where win6.5 used to be originally. You do not HAVE TO partition your card. You can use whole card at FAT32 and store all your data on there. But if you choose, you can give some storage space as ext2/3/4 partition and store your apps in that partition. The benefit is you can free some space from your phone. When you boot your phone for the first time, it will be in original state. Then you can install apps from the market. These apps will be going to your phone's inbuilt memory by default. But you can use some apps to move apps from your phone storage to ext4 partition. But be aware that after you move your apps to SD card you have to have SD card in all times or those apps will not work when SD card is not there. As far as the size of ext4 partition is in question, 1024 MB is more than enough. As you will have some space on your phone and 1024MB on ext4. I would say if you install more apps than that, then you phone will be laggy like hell. ext4 partition size should not matter according to me.
Also read tutorials at this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905841
^ Agreed. Don't do Apps2SD if you don't really need it. It's another possible source of problems (I've had my fair share of system crashes with A2SD on my ol' Magic, and the biggest problem was that there was no way of backing stuff up - stuff probably got more reliable nowadays though), it's not ideal for your SD card and speed isn't optimal either.
StephanV said:
^ Agreed. Don't do Apps2SD if you don't really need it. It's another possible source of problems (I've had my fair share of system crashes with A2SD on my ol' Magic, and the biggest problem was that there was no way of backing stuff up - stuff probably got more reliable nowadays though), it's not ideal for your SD card and speed isn't optimal either.
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People would have you believe otherwise..ext4 is faster but ext2 parsay is more reliable... for the life of me i have followed numerous guides explaining how to format the card, even one i followed from a rom was in perfect enlgish and easy to follow but my phone just locks at the spinning tmobile logo, it wont even boot into magldr...all i can do is reflash a stock rom using RUU...im sure i am doing everything in correct order
So I keep getting the low space alert, and it seems like my emails and texts stop when that happens, which is no bueno... I don't know why since I only have like 5-6 apps installed and have cleared my text msgs, but it keeps happening...
Is there a way for me to move my apps to the SD Card, as well as have them install there in the future *without having to root*? I'm not rooted, and due to it looking like a PITA, I really don't want to have to do it. I did the upgrade to 2.2 when I got it, and the option is in the setting to move each app to the SD Card, but that option is disabled and I cannot engage it.
Any ideas?
No one? Seriously?
Ok, how about this. If I do need to root to remove some apps and whatnot or however to make space, and I have no interest in custom ROM's, Radios, etc, what is the quickest and easiest way to root? One without having to install the SDK or anything like that? I am currently on 2.2.1, stock.
unfortunently, you do have to have root access to use apps to SD. BUT, i said the same thing about custom roms when i first started modding. heres what you can do.
1) Root your phone and install a CWM recovery using one of the many useful guides on this site
2) (optional) Achieve S-OFF in Hboot. this allows for further modification of a roms internal files after it has been flashed.
3)Download and flash the CM7 Rom(and gapps) from cyanogenmod.com (ensure that it is the rom for your phone)
4)Partition your SD card for EXT 4. (this is done in an app called ROM manager from the market.)
5) After you've booted into android, go to the android market and download an app called S2E. CM7 has its own built in A2SD, but ive found this to be the simplest and best overall.
neoslink1 said:
unfortunently, you do have to have root access to use apps to SD. BUT, i said the same thing about custom roms when i first started modding. heres what you can do.
1) Root your phone and install a CWM recovery using one of the many useful guides on this site
2) (optional) Achieve S-OFF in Hboot. this allows for further modification of a roms internal files after it has been flashed.
3)Download and flash the CM7 Rom(and gapps) from cyanogenmod.com (ensure that it is the rom for your phone)
4)Partition your SD card for EXT 4. (this is done in an app called ROM manager from the market.)
5) After you've booted into android, go to the android market and download an app called S2E. CM7 has its own built in A2SD, but ive found this to be the simplest and best overall.
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Thank You Sir! Is there any way to root w/out a gold card?
VisualOddity said:
Thank You Sir! Is there any way to root w/out a gold card?
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There are several options on how to root your fone after you've upgraded to 2.2. Your real problem is, & this is the reason why they made the update available on HTC's website, rather than just doing an OTA, that the 2.2 package w/ Sense is just too big for the available internal storage...
The 2nd problem is, I noticed the guy prior suggested obtaining "S-off". This CANNOT, @ least last time I checked around, be done once you've updated to the stock HTC build of 2.2. You can still root the phone using one of the many methods available in the MT3GS android development boards & then install CM7 which frees up a lot internal storage space on the phone....
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