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sorry for this question but i've just got this amazing phone but i've put some apps on the sd card and can't find the sd card on the phone ? even googled this but to no avail ! please help a newbie , thanks !

you mean the physical location of the SD Card? Its under the back cover. You need to remove the battery to get it out.
Also, apps are not stored on the SD card, but rather on the internal memory of the phone.

A couple of things. First you need to set up the phone for non market applications. This is done thru Menu>>settings>>applications and check the box that says Unknown Sources.
Next, if you use Astro or some other file manager, you can go to /sdcard and whatever folder you keep your apps in.
I use EOEAppsinstaller to do this. It searches the whole SD card to find any APK files. Works great.

QMAN101 said:
A couple of things. First you need to set up the phone for non market applications. This is done thru Menu>>settings>>applications and check the box that says Unknown Sources.
Next, if you use Astro or some other file manager, you can go to /sdcard and whatever folder you keep your apps in.
I use EOEAppsinstaller to do this. It searches the whole SD card to find any APK files. Works great.
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thanks i'll try that !
It wasn't the physical finding of the card its how to access it to install apk files and a movie I installed !

does this means i can put applications on sd card without rooting my n1

audino said:
does this means i can put applications on sd card without rooting my n1
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Yes and no. You can put apk's that you find on the net so you can put them on the SD card so you can install them but as for installing them so they run off the SD card that won't happen until you root the phone.

marra2 said:
thanks i'll try that !
It wasn't the physical finding of the card its how to access it to install apk files and a movie I installed !
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+1 for Astro File Manager! It also has a built in apk installer AND task killer. I love multitasking apps.

your movie should appear in the Gallery

twiggy114 said:
Yes and no. You can put apk's that you find on the net so you can put them on the SD card so you can install them but as for installing them so they run off the SD card that won't happen until you root the phone.
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ah oke im able to instal apps from sd card... i only have 162 free phone memory is this ok? i thought it comes with 512 memory and 512 ram?

audino said:
ah oke im able to instal apps from sd card... i only have 162 free phone memory is this ok? i thought
audino said:
ah oke im able to instal apps from sd card... i only have 162 free phone memory is this ok? i thought it comes with 512 memory and 512 ram?
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another yes and no. Due to a bug both RAM AND ROM are limited to ~230MB ...all are waiting for the next update.
Took me 10 mins to type this in landscape mode due to keyboard bugs!
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audino said:
ah oke im able to instal apps from sd card... i only have 162 free phone memory is this ok? i thought it comes with 512 memory and 512 ram?
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The 512MB Flash ROM is shared between the OS and your installed apps. The amount left over for your installed apps after the system reserves space for the OS, scratch, recovery, and update partitions is around 190MB or so. Google mentioned that they are working on allowing us to store installed apps on the SD card so the size of this partition should not matter eventually.
The 512MB RAM is not used for storing the apps, it is used for running them and is a different set of memory. In 2.1 there is a kernel limitation that prevents them from using all 512MB just yet, but the next version of the Android Linux kernel will remove that restriction and we should see another 100 to 150 MB of memory available for use. That improvement won't have any impact on how many apps you can install, just on how many apps you can run at the same time and how much work they can do before they elbow other apps out of the way.

flarbear said:
The 512MB Flash ROM is shared between the OS and your installed apps. The amount left over for your installed apps after the system reserves space for the OS, scratch, recovery, and update partitions is around 190MB or so. Google mentioned that they are working on allowing us to store installed apps on the SD card so the size of this partition should not matter eventually.
The 512MB RAM is not used for storing the apps, it is used for running them and is a different set of memory. In 2.1 there is a kernel limitation that prevents them from using all 512MB just yet, but the next version of the Android Linux kernel will remove that restriction and we should see another 100 to 150 MB of memory available for use. That improvement won't have any impact on how many apps you can install, just on how many apps you can run at the same time and how much work they can do before they elbow other apps out of the way.
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Sound cool if they really let us install on sd would be very nice and for me no more reasons to root my n1

audino said:
Sound cool if they really let us install on sd would be very nice and for me no more reasons to root my n1
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Even more importantly - there would be no more disincentive for developers to start creating more interesting media-rich applications.
As it stands now, if you put a 10MB app on the market very few are going to be willing to waste that much space on their phone to download it. So, you wouldn't make much money on it. So, you are likely not going to bother developing it.
With relaxed storage restrictions will come nicer (looking, at least) apps...

Ext3?

So ive had an ext partition on my sd card since the mytouch first came out, i never ever use more than 20 apps at any given time so my question is, do i really need it?

You need a EXt partition if you plan on installing 100+ apps that are atleast 1MB each.

so there is nothing in the rom that depends on the ext partition besides ap2sd?

adelco93 said:
so there is nothing in the rom that depends on the ext partition besides ap2sd?
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Depends on the rom. Some Hero roms use the ext because they put certain folders on the sd, like /system and parts of /data I believe. I have tried to run Hero roms without the ext and they will not boot up if you don't have the ext. I have tried it in Qtek's 1.8, Eugene's Espresso, and a couple others. I believe Sensehero does not use the ext, so you can get away without having one on that one.
All donut roms do not require the ext. I think some Eclair roms use ext.
Just gotta look through the specific thread of the rom and see what it calls for.

alright, i guess i'll be leaving my ext intact. Thanks you ace & tazz

adelco93 said:
alright, i guess i'll be leaving my ext intact. Thanks you ace & tazz
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i wouldn't suggest it unless your rom calls for it as i think tazz said... its going to kill your sd and if its not needed, i highly recommend you get rid of it. its a waste of space, ends up killing that part of your sdcard, and again a waste of space.

ok well im on my hero revolution, so thats cupcake which means i dont need ext?

r3s-rt said:
i wouldn't suggest it unless your rom calls for it as i think tazz said... its going to kill your sd and if its not needed, i highly recommend you get rid of it. its a waste of space, ends up killing that part of your sdcard, and again a waste of space.
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and does it kill the sd card simply because of app2sd? if so cant i just keep the ext but disable ap2sd in my user conf? that way i can keep my sd without having to keep repartitioning my 8gb sd card every time i flash a rom that calls for it

bump, please someone answer?

well depends on the rom. if you disable the ext all together, it won't run because some of them have the /system stuff on it. If it's just apps2sd like JAC's new eclair, you can disable it with a simple edit to the user conf. and just keep it partitioned.
Anything whether it's ext or linux swap will shorten the life of your sd card because it's constantly reading and writing to the phone with those things. It's not like it'll be a drastic noticeable difference, unless you just got a bad card and it craps out on you. Most SD cards come with great warranties (my transcend 16gb class 6 comes with a lifetime warranty) nowadays so it really doesn't matter, just always remember to make back ups and keep them on your pc.

Thank You very much

RAM question

I have a Magic 32B Mytouch rooted and have been trying out a bunch of different ROM's. I've tried Hero ROM's, but I would always go back to Cyanogen's ROM for performance. Just lately I did the RAM hack for my phone that gave me 10MB more from the GPU portion of my phone. I then switched to SuperD's ROM because it already had the RAM hack. I watched some tutorials though of a guy using a G1 to do the hack and he had the same amount of RAM on his G1 that I had on my phone. Does my phone have more RAM than a G1 or is it because I've been using ROM's like Cyanogen and SuperD that run on G1's? Maybe this is a stupid question, but I'd like to know if my phone has more RAM available.

Both phones have the same specs, but the MT3G has more internal memory, meaning more disc space if you will.

Basically for storing apps then I assume? Does that mean I really don't need to use APPS2SD or an ext partition on my SD card?

2Noob4U said:
Basically for storing apps then I assume? Does that mean I really don't need to use APPS2SD or an ext partition on my SD card?
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APPS2SD
Pros
* More room on phone
* Easy recovery after wipe with fix_permission script (for most apps)
Cons
* Cannot remove SD card
* More complicated setup = more likely to break
* Possibly slower
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Code:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Apps2SD
You don't need to but it's nice to have more internal storage.

I use apps2sd

phatmanxxl said:
I use apps2sd
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I do also, I was wondering if there was any speed differences. I'm guessing not really since you are using it. I have a class 6 SD card also, so likely it isn't going to speed up faster than what it is now.

Available onboard memory for applications?

This phone has 8GB of memory (or 16GB for the other model). Can anyone tell me if all of this space is available for application installation? (excluding the space required for the system files etc)?
I thought I read somewhere that only 1GB was available for application installation while the rest could be used to store normal files like on the SD Card. If it is entirely available for application installation then I'm probably ok not upgrading the memory card as 8GB is plenty big enough for what I need. Even if it is limited to 1GB for application storage, this is plenty big enough for what I need.
TIA

1.8GB free for applications installation in the Galaxy S.

I assume the rest is used for storage space of user files like an extension to the SD card?

Correct.... It's an ideal dumping ground for Photos, Music or whatever takes your fancy.

I'm confused, after the 1.8gb where is the other 6.2gb?

The ~6 gb are called Internal SD card or something similar, and is available as storage for music, pictures or whatever you want basically.

Are you aware that with Android 2.2 (froyo) applications will be installable onto the memory cards.

yeah i never really put much on to the onboard memory...i install my apps onto the storage card

SiL3nTKiLL said:
yeah i never really put much on to the onboard memory...i install my apps onto the storage card
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Pray tell how you are managing to install to SD Card as to install to other than internal memory you need Froyo on your system.

Beards said:
Pray tell how you are managing to install to SD Card as to install to other than internal memory you need Froyo on your system.
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more than likely the phone has been rooted

igniztion said:
The ~6 gb are called Internal SD card or something similar, and is available as storage for music, pictures or whatever you want basically.
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ah makes sense now, thanks

vibez said:
more than likely the phone has been rooted
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Yes... I was thinking that myself but I'd just like to clear this one up.

fletcharama said:
Are you aware that with Android 2.2 (froyo) applications will be installable onto the memory cards.
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Strictly speaking, developers need to update their application before it can be installed onto the SD Card. I'm guessing a lot of the less maintained applications won't be updated and thus won't be able to be installed on the SD Card.
Not many applications fall in this area but I'm sure people have a few apps that work as is and haven't been updated for ages.

Mod for Encreasing The internal memory??

Excuse me, is there any mod for increasing your internal memory like galaxy s3 having your micro sd like internal memor??
Thanks!!

23Kie said:
Excuse me, is there any mod for increasing your internal memory like galaxy s3 having your micro sd like internal memor??
Thanks!!
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nope, that requires repartitioning so that the sizes are split differently in the internal memory...i don't think anyone cares about this as long as the phone supports 64GB external.... the method was used for reviving the superbricked phone a year ago on ICS smaller system partitions resulted in a successful booting rom but with less storage.

But is there any way for installing all app and games in micro sd like kernel perseus whick allow install all in microsd whatever app or game
Thanks!!!

REVERSiN said:
nope, that requires repartitioning so that the sizes are split differently in the internal memory...i don't think anyone cares about this as long as the phone supports 64GB external.... the method was used for reviving the superbricked phone a year ago on ICS smaller system partitions resulted in a successful booting rom but with less storage.
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That's the ****ty thing with the S4, can't move apps to SD card
23Kie said:
But is there any way for installing all app and games in micro sd like kernel perseus whick allow install all in microsd whatever app or game
Thanks!!!
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I've had luck with the FolderMount, liked it and bought the full version. There's a thread for it in the themes and apps section
PS. You should open new threads in the right sections :good:

There was a mod on the S3 that swapped the internal and SD memory - i.e. it fooled the system in thinking the SD card was internal.
Give it time, im sure the mod will become available - you will probably need to root

xmsnx said:
That's the ****ty thing with the S4, can't move apps to SD card
I've had luck with the FolderMount, liked it and bought the full version. There's a thread for it in the themes and apps section
PS. You should open new threads in the right sections :good:
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funny thing is i didn't know that hehe i have the phone in my closet for about two weeks now i don't use it since iam waiting for my case and SP to arrive since i ordered them from ebay.... bad luck XD
ardsar said:
There was a mod on the S3 that swapped the internal and SD memory - i.e. it fooled the system in thinking the SD card was internal.
Give it time, im sure the mod will become available - you will probably need to root
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AFAIK the trick was modifing the vold.fstab file in system/etc/ still i think its useless since the most space is set on internal sd and not the system swapping them makes your storage space even less than it already is...who wants that to happen ?
he can get a light ROM i've seen one in the forums calles biochemical TW i think not quite sure which is 800MB well stripped but still he can add what he needs only and not get to the crazy 1.5 GB system