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Hey guys, I finally got my Blackstone wednesday and have been messing with it since then. I am currently out of town but when i get back, I plan on opening a T-mobile contract to run the phone on. I chose them, because, A) i can get a good deal on a contract with MYFAVES, INTERNET, HOTSPOTS, and TEXTS, and since i am not a big talker, the MYFAVES would work for me and B) AT&T is just too [email protected] expensive for me. My questions is, for those who are using the HTC TOUCH HD on T-mobile, of course besides the lack of 3G like everyone is stating, how is the internet browser. A friend of mine runs his HD on AT&T, but I cannot afford a big plan, without a MyFaves type option. Post up experiences only if you are running the HD on T-Mobile. Thanks
I'm currently using the HD on T-Mobile. I like it. No US 3G means doesn't matter if its AT&T or T-Mobile, you can't get 3G for either. I running off of T-Zones and the speeds are barable. I don't do heavy surfing when I'm outside of WiFi but I do push my e-mails and occasionally check up on my bookmarks. So far, so good.
Oh and before you sign up, check up www.freelancersunion.org .... if your a member you get a 10% everyone and nice perks on phones... like oh lets say 140 for G1 or free blackberrys... Good luck!
Just remember your already going to be stuck on edge.. And T-Mobiles edge speeds are much slower than AT&T's.
Thanks alot guys for the input. I really do not do much video streaming but do use the internet for email and occasionally checking and replying to forums. If i get the T-ZONES which would allow me to use WIFI im sure i can catch a signal somewhere. I just want to keep this bumped for more input
I generally get speeds of around 150Kb with EDGE and browsing works fine. Streaming YouTube automatically adjusts the image size depending on the bandwidth. I get full screen with WiFi and about 1/2 with EDGE. I occasionally get an "insufficent bandwidth" message on EDGE, but that's rare. It would be nice to have 3G, but T-Mobile is really taking their time putting out a decent PPC phone and 3G is only in some large cities so far. By the time they put out a device like the Touch HD and install 3G in my city, maybe I'll buy another phone, but for now I'm really happy with it.
I have been using mine onf T-Mobile for a while now. No complaints what so ever. Once you choose Touch HD to use in the US. You have lost the option of 3G anywayz. So why think of ATT and its huge pice plans. I am not entirely sure about ATT EDGE being faster than T-Mobile. But I am pretty happy with my EDGE speeds on T-Mo. Browsing is fast enough, I can even watch YouTube vdos through edge.
You always have WiFi which is much faster than 3G. I am using mine with Cooked ROMs from here and I am enjoyin every bit of it with no regret.
for the ones that got TMobile and the HD. what internet plan do you have?
what are the settings on the phone?
are your guys MMS fast?
i dont get mine for a couple days.. but maybe cuz i haven't set up any internet connection?
when you called tmobile did you just ask for tzones?
thanks for the help..
T-Mobile on Touch HD
tyronne1126 said:
for the ones that got TMobile and the HD. what internet plan do you have?
what are the settings on the phone?
are your guys MMS fast?
i dont get mine for a couple days.. but maybe cuz i haven't set up any internet connection?
when you called tmobile did you just ask for tzones?
thanks for the help..
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Well, as far as the settings go, I just stuck my T-Mobile Sim and it automatically detected it and configured everything including MMS
The speeds arent that bad, you have to remember that most people view only a dozen or so sites regularly that's the whole idea behind cashing pages.
But even besides that the speeds are not that bad. Opera is really good at rendering pages. I thought I would not be able to deal with it coming off the G1 but I barely notice to be hones with you.
I can do a screenie of my t-mobile setting for my g1 there were a bunch of Access points that I didn't know exsisted. there are like a dozen or so, you can try to configure those manually to see if you can purge faster speeds and report back.
I don't have it with me right now, but if yo PM me I'd be more than happy to do so
I hope this helps.
Peace!
your settings should automatically be detected but the default address is usually wap.voicestream.xxxx . all I did was let it auto detect and change both tmobile data and tmobile mms to epc.tmobile.com I heard the epc is faster than the wap. try that.
No problems in the USA
I have been with TMo in the USA for 4 years and have nothing but good things to say. Great coverage (I am an airline pilot and the means a lot!) and great plans. My previous phone was the JasJar (HTC Universal) and it was stuck with GPRS only so Edge has been a nice, surprising speed boost that is very acceptable for browsing, Google Maps etc. While it is true that Edge won't let me stream the max quality videos from YouTube, I don't think I am missing much by not having 3G. Using my WiFi connection at home is only a substantial benefit when I want to download a large file, which I almost never do.
The HD and Tmo have a great working realationship.
Regards,
Gordo
i mean.. what are the tzone settings.. and i ask for tzone.. pay 5.99 or whatever.. and i can do youtube? opera? weather? and everything?
is that possible?
how?
tyronne1126 said:
i mean.. what are the tzone settings.. and i ask for tzone.. pay 5.99 or whatever.. and i can do youtube? opera? weather? and everything?
is that possible?
how?
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I'm looking for this as well. I have a download that I used for my Kaiser. Is this the same one?
i dont know.. this is my 1st WinMo phone.. no one gives an exact answer =/.. does anyone know?
I'm finding T-mo with their data plan (2G) quite bearable: I don't even try streaming media, it would be pure frustration, but is fine with wifi (faster than 3G anyway).
Search/Google "T-mobile T-zones youtube and internet access". You'll find the default settings will allow you to access only T-mo's T-zones content. There have been some port configuration hacks posted over the last couple of years, but T-mo may have plugged those up by now.
I look at it this way.... I just spent, what $750 on a phone, another $19.00 for the data plan isn't going to make a damned bit of difference. If you got yours cheaper, consider the difference as free data for a while.
Cheeze[iT] said:
your settings should automatically be detected but the default address is usually wap.voicestream.xxxx . all I did was let it auto detect and change both tmobile data and tmobile mms to epc.tmobile.com I heard the epc is faster than the wap. try that.
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I have been using TMobile for years without any problems and if you have problems they have great Tech support. BTW ' epc ' did not work on my HD
for a data connection.
Awesome thanks guys for your replies. I order my phone and plan for T-mobile today thru Telesales with a major discount i got. Will have it overnighted to me and should hopefully have my phone and plan by tuesday.....so that means that the BLACKSTONE should be running then....majorly excited!!!!
I have an 8525 with a WM 6 rom (by ATT, picked up here). I have customized everything I got my hands on here.
I have a 3g connection using ATT's network, but the good speeds that I used to see have recently become terrible. I'm wondering if it could be my phone- either due to my screwing up a setting or just deterioration. I'm in the Raleigh/Durham area in NC, USA that has good coverage.
Using dslreports speed test, I used to see 450 Kb/s or more but now, I barely get 150 kb/s. That's Edge level and it drops below that all the time too. I've seen as low as 60 Kb/s- that's old time modem speed!
Before you ask, I am pretty sure that I am connecting through 3G- first of all, I see the 3G icon when I connect. I also have switched to edge manually and saw the E icon (with bandswitch). I got an ATT rep (who had a new blackberry) to connect and try the speed test, and he got great speeds, right next to me, so I know it's not about the spot I was at (besides I get these awful speeds wherever I go). My wife has an old iphone and gets the same speeds as I do.
I am wondering if this plan has become speed limited somehow? Or could I have used too much bandwith and been capped to low speeds? Is there such a thing? I use wmwifirouter and a usb cable to tether my laptop, but I don't stream or anything. I am careful about my usage (monitored) and it never got to a 1 GB per month.
Any ideas on how I can check? I am hesitant to go to an ATT store, since in my experience they are not real experts and I don't want them messing around with my phone/account, taking away the smartphone connect plan and making me pay for a pda connect plan or something.
Is there a setting in WM that I could have screwed up? I did use the gprs auto disconnect registry tweak, but I don't think that's the cause.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
when did you do the test on dslreports? a few days ago I had the same problem. slow speed result. I took out my sim, put it in my 3g usb modem, got blazing speeds sitting in the same spot.
tried again later at night on my tytn again, speed went back up. maybe dslreports was being wonky during that time frame?
also, blackberry's I believe compress data so their speed tests are off. AFAIK
Thanks for writing. This is not a new issue for me, I've been watching the speed get bad for a while- I've used dslreports on and off for the last couple of months, checking the speed. The only thing I did recently was get someone else with 3g to test their speed for comparison. In dslreports, using the simple speed test, it used to tell me that the 100 KB file was too small (I was too fast) and I needed to try a larger file, like 1MB. Now it takes me 5-6 seconds to get that 100 KB file.
I'm curious if ATT might be capping speeds, since I tether my laptop every once in a while. Still, as I said earlier, I was always careful about my bandwidth usage. I'm trying to isolate the problem, so that I go to ATT as a last resort to complain about the speed, since they'll probably want to change my plan to PDA connect.
Did you ever stop to consider that may be why your speed is being cut back?????
I found with my parents internet connection, they were using dial-up (I know stone age but it was enough for them) and Telstra in Australia let the speed go fine while under contract but as soon as the contract was up it was disconnection after disconnection, they were plastering my parents to go with broadband and when they discovered that they couldn't, with satelite.
We changed them to another company but as soon as the contract period was up, guess what, same problem.
ATT might be doing the same to you to get the ****s with the plan you're on and upgrade or move to another plan.
Just a thought...
Well, they haven't pestered me for anything and I've not heard them limit speeds like this- but that's why I posted, to see if anyone had any experience with it. Lots of people use the setup that I have, so someone else should know something.
Hey guys, I just wanted to see if anyone else is having a longer waiting period with the Rogers 3G network lately or if it is just me. I've been noticing that my phone has slowed down quite a bit when browsing the internet or using an application that requires data on the 3G network. My wi-fi is fine, just the 3G. It takes between 45 secs to 1 minute to retreive the information. I had called Rogers and asked them to reset or refresh or whatever they do down there, but didn't seem to help.
Now if it is just my phone, maybe it is some application that is using up the processor or data, but I don't have that many applications running in the background other than weatherbug that constantly uses data.
Any suggestions would be helpful.
Thanks
What happens if you run a speedtest? the app by Xtremelabs is good.
no issue here. i use mine on a daily basis between pickering and mississauga, and as long as i have at least 2 bars of signal strength my magic is very fast over 3g
Thanks guys for the quick response. I think I found the problem. I had called Rogers support again and they said that it is due to my sim card being a 2G one. I need to replace it with a 3G. Hopefully that will fix the problem.
Thanks
I too have been having internet/email issues since last Thursday using my Treo 750. The symbol toggles between 3G and H and usually does nothing but comes back with an error message saying something like 'cannot find this page...'. I travel between Oakville and Concord every day with the same issues. The phone worked perfectly in Brantford last night...so I don't think it's a hardware issue. The tech support guy grabbed a treo and tried and was able to connect on EDGE....not 3G.
I tried my sim card in my sons Motorola Risr and it works perfectly....on EDGE. They tech support guy said they were having issues with 3G last Thurs/Friday, so I'm wondering if whatever they did last week is affecting some older phone models (I've had mine for 1 1/2 years now). Not sure if I can (or if I want to) configure my treo to connect via EDGE instead of 3G...
Anyone having the same problem?
Very odd indeed. I got my new sim card but still doesn't fix my problem. At least I'm not the only one experiencing the same problem. As far as I know, the 3G and H symbol are he same thing according to rogers tech guy, correct me if I am wrong. I'm going to call again today to see if I come up with anything.
Just got off the phone with Tech Support again. They are sending me a new Sim Card, but from the sounds of it, that's probably not going to fix the problem. He WAS going to do a free hardware swap until he discovered the phone is out of warranty. Then it was basically "oh gee, three year contract, one year warranty...tough luck".
Yep, the G and H are the same thing. Since mine is switching back and forth, he said the phone is hunting for a signal.
When I asked why the phone worked perfectly in another city he couldn't give me a good answer. I have to go back to Brantford tonight, so I'll get a chance to repeat the experiment.
Listen folks. It has nothing to do with your SIM card, nor your phone. The reps at rogers, I for one, ASSUME it could be the sim card, but really, most of the reps cannot differentiate an incompatible SIM with a compatible one, so they send you out a new one anyways, just to get you off the phone because they really don't know what the cause is and they have no hands on the status of the networks and network problems other than what is posted in library by the actual IT department, which do not directly communicate with the centers.
To sum it up. Rogers 3G network is garbage! and that DNS issue is not isolated to the metro area, it's here too in Newfoundland. DNS resolution is extremely slow, even with OpenDNS, which means it's their switches that are garbage and most likely being bogged down. Rogers thinks they had solved the problem by throttling the 3G bandwidth to ~3Mbit and the upstream to less than 150K, (My assumption), however, that isn't working.
From my guess is that the request is sent to Rogers networks, which cache that request then caches the pages and sends it to your device, making it appear you have a fast connection.
Anyways, sometimes I find the EDGE network a lot faster..especially in the DNS resolution area.
"It has nothing to do with your SIM card, nor your phone"
My feeling exactly. It just seems a little too coincidental that everything was just fine until they had a network "issue" late last week.
So, being a mechanical guy with very little knowledge of how a these things actually work, is there a way for me force the treo750 to use the EDGE network?
Never mind, I got a hold of a guy at Rogers who seemed to know his stuff. He told me to get the latest OS from Palm and then how to go in and set it up for EDGE. We'll see how that works.
lotacus said:
Listen folks. It has nothing to do with your SIM card, nor your phone. The reps at rogers, I for one, ASSUME it could be the sim card, but really, most of the reps cannot differentiate an incompatible SIM with a compatible one, so they send you out a new one anyways, just to get you off the phone because they really don't know what the cause is and they have no hands on the status of the networks and network problems other than what is posted in library by the actual IT department, which do not directly communicate with the centers.
To sum it up. Rogers 3G network is garbage! and that DNS issue is not isolated to the metro area, it's here too in Newfoundland. DNS resolution is extremely slow, even with OpenDNS, which means it's their switches that are garbage and most likely being bogged down. Rogers thinks they had solved the problem by throttling the 3G bandwidth to ~3Mbit and the upstream to less than 150K, (My assumption), however, that isn't working.
From my guess is that the request is sent to Rogers networks, which cache that request then caches the pages and sends it to your device, making it appear you have a fast connection.
Anyways, sometimes I find the EDGE network a lot faster..especially in the DNS resolution area.
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I love ripping on Rogers for being crap, they are, but the network is downtown Toronto is far from crap. And it is not throttled. I have had repeated speedtests reach 3900kb/s with the average around 3100kb/s. Thats not too bad considering the crap they put up with in the states on AT&T.
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I love ripping on Rogers for being crap, they are, but the network is downtown Toronto is far from crap. And it is not throttled. I have had repeated speedtests reach 3900kb/s with the average around 3100kb/s. Thats not too bad considering the crap they put up with in the states on AT&T.
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True, compared to the 3G in the U.S I would agree that Rogers has an edge, 3G here in Newfoundland is still in it's infancy, well still is everywhere. We just got 3G last winter I believe.
what newfoundland has 3G?
now hell really has frozen over (ha)
Im from dildo bay
Howdy everyone. I'm a long time HTC Hero user who upgraded to the Evo today. So far I love it. I'm paying for the extra $29.99 Sprint Hotspot service. I'm actually traveling now, and I've gotten to use it pretty heavily. Also, keep in mind that speeds I discuss below are on the 3G radio. There is no 4G available (yet) in New York. Also, I'm doing the speed tests on the 20th floor in a hotel room, which obviously affects coverage (if I'm on the ground the 3G in NYC is super fast, but up all these floors the reception is a different story).
First of all, I'm pretty sure when you start the Sprint Hotspot, you actually connect to different internet servers. When I first got the phone, they didn't activate the hotspot service on my phone (even though I ordered it with that), and when I started the hotspot it would have an internet connection error about some username and password. It was like "error 67" - and that number stands out to me becuase somehow that was a data error back in my WinMo days .
Anyways, I have a feeling the switching of the servers actually limits your bandwith somehow. If I do a Speedtest.net speed test (on the phone using the speedtest app), I'll get pretty decent (300k/s-500k/s) speeds before starting the hotspot, and then < 5k/s after activating it (aka no usable connection at all).
So I finally broke down, and rooted the phone (using the unrevoked method - I am running the OTA update). I installed Wireless Tether for Root Users Pre14 (which obviously does not change servers when you start it), and I'm noticing about 2x the speed and lower ping times with it.
I ran two tests on my laptop on speedtest.com. I've attached to this post the results of each. The higher numbers are with Wireless Tether.
I'm curious to see what you guys think could be the issue with the Sprint app. Are they limiting the tethering speed? Should I just drop the Sprint service and use Wireless Tether?
I really don't mind paying a little more to Sprint if their Hotspot app works well.
Hmm, I would verify they are on the same server. You might also try changing the server you run the speedtests to and see if that changes things. The only thing I could think of is the way it handles the connections because the Wifi tether is an adhoc connection.
Are you using WPA/2 with Sprint Hotspot?
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Are you using WPA/2 with Sprint Hotspot?
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No. I actually figured that this would increase overhead, so I shut off all encryption.
The thing is, when I turn on the Sprint Hotspot, the internet on the phone itself is really slow. I'm not even talking about what it is on a laptop or something.
I can see this being true. The only thing I want to know concerning the NotSpot and rooting tether is it legal or not. I am only going to use the HotSpot app one in a blue moon so I am not going to ay for it. I am just wondering if it is legal to use the rooted way.
It's not illegal people, it's not that serious.
its not illegal, but the question is what will they do with your plan when they find out... worst case i can see is add the $30 hotspot fee as we already have unlimited data plans
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Howdy everyone. I'm a long time HTC Hero user who upgraded to the Evo today. So far I love it. I'm paying for the extra $29.99 Sprint Hotspot service. I'm actually traveling now, and I've gotten to use it pretty heavily. Also, keep in mind that speeds I discuss below are on the 3G radio. There is no 4G available (yet) in New York. Also, I'm doing the speed tests on the 20th floor in a hotel room, which obviously affects coverage (if I'm on the ground the 3G in NYC is super fast, but up all these floors the reception is a different story).
First of all, I'm pretty sure when you start the Sprint Hotspot, you actually connect to different internet servers. When I first got the phone, they didn't activate the hotspot service on my phone (even though I ordered it with that), and when I started the hotspot it would have an internet connection error about some username and password. It was like "error 67" - and that number stands out to me becuase somehow that was a data error back in my WinMo days .
Anyways, I have a feeling the switching of the servers actually limits your bandwith somehow. If I do a Speedtest.net speed test (on the phone using the speedtest app), I'll get pretty decent (300k/s-500k/s) speeds before starting the hotspot, and then < 5k/s after activating it (aka no usable connection at all).
So I finally broke down, and rooted the phone (using the unrevoked method - I am running the OTA update). I installed Wireless Tether for Root Users Pre14 (which obviously does not change servers when you start it), and I'm noticing about 2x the speed and lower ping times with it.
I ran two tests on my laptop on speedtest.com. I've attached to this post the results of each. The higher numbers are with Wireless Tether.
I'm curious to see what you guys think could be the issue with the Sprint app. Are they limiting the tethering speed? Should I just drop the Sprint service and use Wireless Tether?
I really don't mind paying a little more to Sprint if their Hotspot app works well.
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hmm, you actually got your laptop to connect using unrevoked+ota+wifi tether for rooted phones from the market??? why is it that i cannot get my ipod touch to see my connection...ARGH!!! i hate this! i may just go back to winmo...this is my first android phone. had tp2 and wifi tether worked perfect for it.
Just tested the built in tether from the settings and was able to pull down over 25 gigs with no warning texts or slow downs.
Very nice to not have to use a 3rd party app because the performance of stock tether is vastly superior. Could barely even tell i was tethering, just got a little warm but didn't slow the phone to a crawl like some other apps do :good: very impressed just make sure you have an apn using fast tmobile and ipv4 and you should be good to go. Possibly a user agent switcher on a browser but that's it
I'm tethering on at&t unlimited grandfathered data plan. Apparently the aren't throttling anymore unless you are on a congested tower. I'm often hitting close to 60mbps down. Good times.
For t-mobile. I don't believe the stock app bypasses tethering. From what I've read on Nexus 5 forums the stock android tethering app sends data to the carrier to indicate tethered devices. From my experience. I have an unlimited data plan, with either 3 or 5GB cap of tethered data. I found that over several days i was watching streaming video, and got it to about 5GBs, and then the next day, my connection seems to be throttled. This is evidenced by doing speedtest on both my ipad (tethered to the idol 3) and then the idol 3, from the same location within minutes of each other and seeing a vast difference in the download speed I got between the devices.
I want to do this test a few more times to just make sure I wasn't in a shotty connection area, but my belief is that t-mobile throttles but its not an immediate cut off. You might get above the cap, but eventually they catch up with it and shut you down.
Anyone else have this experience?
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For t-mobile. I don't believe the stock app bypasses tethering. From what I've read on Nexus 5 forums the stock android tethering app sends data to the carrier to indicate tethered devices. From my experience. I have an unlimited data plan, with either 3 or 5GB cap of tethered data. I found that over several days i was watching streaming video, and got it to about 5GBs, and then the next day, my connection seems to be throttled. This is evidenced by doing speedtest on both my ipad (tethered to the idol 3) and then the idol 3, from the same location within minutes of each other and seeing a vast difference in the download speed I got between the devices.
I want to do this test a few more times to just make sure I wasn't in a shotty connection area, but my belief is that t-mobile throttles but its not an immediate cut off. You might get above the cap, but eventually they catch up with it and shut you down.
Anyone else have this experience?
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I've found "easytether" to be the only solution for me with t-mobile as it uses adb to create a network connection that doesn't send the "tether" tag. It's usb or bluetooth (windows only) though..works well enough for my needs with my laptop. Once the device is rooted a small change can be made to make the device use the same apn for tether as well as phone and the problem goes away. I tried pdanet which supposedly does the same thing via wifi but t-mobile still blocked/throttled my traffic.