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Currently, I have 2 iphones, and the 2 separate data plans that I have to get from AT&T for those. In addition, I also have a Verizon MIFI that I plug into my Cradlepoint router, to use as my home network for internet. Since I am capped at 5gb per month on my mifi, I really have to watch what I do each month on the internet (no streaming, etc).
I am seriously considering getting 2 EVOs instead, and ditching the iphones, and the mifi, but I would only do this, if I could truly use one of the EVOs as the main internet connection for my home. It makes sense to just have one of them with the $30 unlimited data plan, so I would only do the high volume of internet stuff when that phone was physically located in my house.
Is anyone using their EVO as their primary internet for their home?
i don't as i like my 12mpbs + comcast internet connection at home as the best i can get from my evo is 2-3mbps. you would not be in a good position if you have to rely on your evo to have internet connection. mainly, either phone has to be setup the same either either one of you leaves while the other needs internet access (and what would happen when you need leave and the other is using the internet?). secondly, what will you do for internet access while on the phone as sprint does not allow/voice & data at the same time. that is where you would benefit from the mifi as your internet is not dependent on your phone.
you would more than likely be saving money over the longterm by switching to sprint but you would not save money upfront. 2 x evo's @ $200 each = $400 + activation fee $36 = $436, cheapeast data and voice plan = $69 + $10 premium data usage = $79 + insurance/tax = $90 X 2 = $180/m for both phones
or family share plan
cheapest family plan $109 + (2x$10 premium data) = $129/m
you will save money overall in the end, but definately not upfront by switching to sprint. Does the $436 cost of paying for 2 evo's out weigh the cost of mifi for verizon? you could also look into getting a sprint mifi/hotspot instead....
Yes!!! I cancelled my stupid Comcast internet. I was paying $60 / month for a garbage connection that went down all the time. Sprint internet at least doesn't disconnect for periods of days at a time. Maybe it's not 6 mb/s YET but at least it's stable.
Basically it looks like this for me:
Before: Sprint SERO $30 + Comcast $60 = $90
Now: Sprint EPRP Family plan $45 + $30 Hotspot = $75
Cancelling Comcast: PRICELESS I despise this company so badly, that I think I would have paid more than double the price just so that I wouldn't be forced to use them. (My apt is covered by the Comcast monopoly unfortunately)
Seriously, try it out. Worst case you change your mind. I have nothing but good things to say, and I'm running only over 3G. I can't wait til 4G, it will be amazing. The only problem is, as you know, the phone must be there and not on a call. Also streaming netflix you get lower quality (not HD) video so that stinks but I am guessing on 4G it will be better.
This probably doesn't matter to you, but just so you know the pings are very decent for me at least: I range from as low as 70 ms to 150 ms if signal is bad. I've been playing games like Halo 3 and Warcraft 3 with no issues whatsoever ( and winning )
A disclaimer: I am single, living alone, so my flexibility is better. Still, if you are not in the best financial position, you have to ask yourself where the value lies in internet for $60 / month. Obviously a dedicated cable / dsl / T1 line is preferable, but is it really worth it?
Any questions feel free to ask.
After just my first post, i get 2 great contrasting posts, with useful information in both. That's awesome.
The biggest issue I see now, is the fact that you can't hotspot & send/rcv calls at the same time. That almost defeats the purpose, if I have to use my connection to work, and am either on the net, or on the cal
Is that true for tethering and the hotspot? Perhaps that is the same interface on the phone?
The cost savings would be about $50 per month, based on the config. Based on the months left in my contract, that would mean the sooner I want to switch, the better off I would be, from a monthly expense. The costs of early termination for both iphones, and my mifi, are not really that bad, and it actualloy appears that the sooner I do it, the better it gets.
Im surprised no1 has said this yet but are u aware that you can root ur phone and have free unlimited wifi tendering.
I use my evo as my main connection in my dorm. My college uses a wack internet connection in the dorms, that doesnt go above 1mb/s on wifi and 1.5 mb/s when using a landline. N on top of that they moniter ur connection, make sure u dont do illegal stuff.
So for me a evo is a gift from god
If you are not in a 4g area you could pick up an old sero plan for 30/mo and a cheapo winmo phone and tether exclusively from that, and use the evo for your main phone. When/if you get 4g, cancel or sell the sero line and use the 4g off the evo (4g is data and voice at the same time).
Was reading thru the threads and decided to try something out.Am running a rooted Evo with wireless tethering on 3g and just made a call to see if both will work at the same time and they doWe have Road Runner from Time Warner and it doesn't seem to run all that much quicker thru a wirless router than Sprint's 3g,If my wife and I tether both laptops to the Evo at the same time,it slows down a little but not too bad considering its free.
To the people talking about that Sprint does not allow Call and Data at the same time never considered 4G. You CAN do Call and 4G Data at the same time.
I ditched my Road Runner bill of about $40. Almost completed a month as my phone as my sole internet provider. I play on Xbox Live, stream from Netflix, and internet on my desktop and laptop. So far so good.. I live by my self so I don't need the internet at home all day. What I am running below:
Evo 4G (1.47.651.1 and 25% discount/month) + Root + Wireless Tether 2.0.2
I wanted to know if I can hard wire my phone to a router. One because my download speeds when I wire tether to my PC are about 1.5 to 2.0 mbs faster than when I wireless tether. And second I want to amplify my wireless signal.. make sense? lol
th3b055 said:
To the people talking about that Sprint does not allow Call and Data at the same time never considered 4G. You CAN do Call and 4G Data at the same time.
I ditched my Road Runner bill of about $40. Almost completed a month as my phone as my sole internet provider. I play on Xbox Live, stream from Netflix, and internet on my desktop and laptop. So far so good.. I live by my self so I don't need the internet at home all day. What I am running below:
Evo 4G (1.47.651.1 and 25% discount/month) + Root + Wireless Tether 2.0.2
I wanted to know if I can hard wire my phone to a router. One because my download speeds when I wire tether to my PC are about 1.5 to 2.0 mbs faster than when I wireless tether. And second I want to amplify my wireless signal.. make sense? lol
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How is netflix over 4G? what quality do you get? HD? On 3g the picture is very standard def.
What if you try a kernel with wireless N? Not sure if it would be reflected in speeds, but in theory it should help.
having wifi N wont make anything faster except inter-network transfer, the bottleneck is the 4g, its slower than N, so anything between the phone and your laptop should be fast, but not to the outside world.
berardi said:
How is netflix over 4G? what quality do you get? HD? On 3g the picture is very standard def.
What if you try a kernel with wireless N? Not sure if it would be reflected in speeds, but in theory it should help.
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Netflix (wire tether) on PC looks the same, HD content does not look that great, maybe a hair better, but not by much. Netflix over Xbox Live is almost the same. HD content doesn't look like HD lol... but it is viewable
On a second note, trying Windows Internet Connect Sharing now. Not no expert in network by all means and first time I tried this..
But this is what I am trying to do. Wire tether to PC, ICS to Xbox 360 via eathernet cable.
Only reason I am looking for a wired solution is because it is faster. Wireless Tether 2.0.5-2 is slower than 2.0.2. On Xbox Live trying to play Modern Warfare 2 with Wireless Tether 2.0.5-2 is sloooooooow. Searching seems to take forever. Went to 2.0.2 and noticed connection speeds a lot faster. Can't play Red Dead Redemption multiplayer with any of the two. Hoping that wire tether + ICS will work.
th3b055 said:
To the people talking about that Sprint does not allow Call and Data at the same time never considered 4G. You CAN do Call and 4G Data at the same time.
I ditched my Road Runner bill of about $40. Almost completed a month as my phone as my sole internet provider. I play on Xbox Live, stream from Netflix, and internet on my desktop and laptop. So far so good.. I live by my self so I don't need the internet at home all day. What I am running below:
Evo 4G (1.47.651.1 and 25% discount/month) + Root + Wireless Tether 2.0.2
I wanted to know if I can hard wire my phone to a router. One because my download speeds when I wire tether to my PC are about 1.5 to 2.0 mbs faster than when I wireless tether. And second I want to amplify my wireless signal.. make sense? lol
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You are correct but you need 2 things to make that work. First is 4g in your area and secondly a good/reliable 4g signal. I can't wait until sprint does evora so we dont have to have 4g
I don't own an Andorid phone yet. And from what I was reading thus far, it seems that android and its apps generate quite a lot more data-traffic than a 'plain ol' WinMo device used for some e-mail and calendar sync.
Now since in Switzerland unlimited GSM data contracts are way too expensive, I am looking for a 100-250megs/month plan but am not sure at all if this will be sufficient for daily use.
What is your guess, except Webbrowsing, how much traffic do you generate a month?
my phone is my laptop replacement, and my business is online, everything is online, i'll die without the internet
i tether to my laptop and use it to browse the web in the evenings 4-5 hours per, 6-7 days per week
i've been monitoring my data usage on my account at Tmobile's web and it hit low 6 GBs the two months i used it to view quite a bit on youtube
months that i didn't, 2.8 to 3.5 GB a month
that's also sending/reading emails from my laptop
that was with a MyTouch 3G - this Vibrant's download speeds are faster so i expect those numbers will go up in the coming months
jeeez, i guess i'm screwed with my 100-250megs...
if you're not talking about browsing etc, just emails/texting etc that about might be just fine
remember, i said i use it for browsing 6-7 times a week, 4-5 hours per night
i'm on a Tmo unlimited data plan (that apparently actually has either a 5GB or 10GB ceiling - but that's surprising about switzerland - it's been a couple years since i've been there but it used to surpise me how cheap communications was there
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i'm on a Tmo unlimited data plan (that apparently actually has either a 5GB or 10GB ceiling - but that's surprising about switzerland - it's been a couple years since i've been there but it used to surpise me how cheap communications was there
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seems like switzerland didn't keep up with the rest of the world in terms of communication fees. a 250megs plan costs about 50$ - with no telephony or texting discounts at all. an unlimited plan is about 160$ - and you actually get capped on your speed after reaching 2gb...
well well well
I usually don't even bother changing to WiFi when I'm at home, so almost all the data traffic goes over the mobile network, and I usually end up in the 500MB -> 1GB range.
If you just make sure to install and update apps, and do large data transfers while you have a WiFi network available, 250MB should be more than enough.
My GF has a 500MB plan and she has never even been close to going over the limit.
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seems like switzerland didn't keep up with the rest of the world in terms of communication fees. a 250megs plan costs about 50$ - with no telephony or texting discounts at all. an unlimited plan is about 160$ - and you actually get capped on your speed after reaching 2gb...
well well well
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Korea is about to switch to a plan with unlimited data on about $40 USD plan that includes free incoming calls/text along with free minutes and texts for outgoing communicatoin.
igniztion said:
I usually don't even bother changing to WiFi when I'm at home, so almost all the data traffic goes over the mobile network, and I usually end up in the 500MB -> 1GB range.
If you just make sure to install and update apps, and do large data transfers while you have a WiFi network available, 250MB should be more than enough.
My GF has a 500MB plan and she has never even been close to going over the limit.
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I'd probably switch for the enhanced speed and better battery, though I've lived without wifi on 2G speeds. When I had the original iPhone which was edge, I rarely switched over to WiFi because I knew my battery life went down when using wi-fi but didn't actually know that my battery life went down even more when surfing on 2G.
Here in Finland Saunalahti offers a data package with (supposedly) unlimited speeds and quota. I haven't used my galaxy for a month but I think I should end up using 3-5gigs of data.
Edit: forgot to bragg about the price, which is 14eur/month
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Here in Finland Saunalahti offers a data package with (supposedly) unlimited speeds and quota. I haven't used my galaxy for a month but I think I should end up using 3-5gigs of data.
Edit: forgot to bragg about the price, which is 14eur/month
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Does that mean it's faster than super warp speed?
rkantos said:
Here in Finland Saunalahti offers a data package with (supposedly) unlimited speeds and quota. I haven't used my galaxy for a month but I think I should end up using 3-5gigs of data.
Edit: forgot to bragg about the price, which is 14eur/month
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yaya keep on braggin
hope one day we will end up with fees like that as well... ...but thats a long way to go i gues
250 MByte for sure will be enough if you just send/check mails (including attachements) and surf the web for news. You can download apps and watch youtube at home or in a restaurant where there is wifi.
I have a plan for 250 MByte myself and it works out pretty well.
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250 MByte for sure will be enough if you just send/check mails (including attachements) and surf the web for news. You can download apps and watch youtube at home or in a restaurant where there is wifi.
I have a plan for 250 MByte myself and it works out pretty well.
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that sounds promising... in that case i think i will not have to worry. though when i look at the poll results, it seems that there are quite som data-junkies out there
but you know, i'm no different myself - but over cable instead
don't worry you should be fine.
I just happen to be internet adicted
got 3 different broadband ISP at home on a cisco balancer for redundancy and load balancing.
same reason why in need 2 cell phones HSPDA capable that works just as fast as my computer home computer for when i'm on the move.
Hi all,
I have question regarding Tmobile web access.
What is the diferrence in the speed between Unlimited web and Unlimited web for smarthphones if there is any difference?
I have $9.99 plan but I want to move for more expensive one if it's really faster.
Thanks for your answers.
I personally use the regular non-smartphone plan and am still able to get peak speeds at around 4-5mbps, so I don't think there is a difference.
However, the regular plan uses the internet2.voicestream.com APN, while the smartphone plan uses epc.tmobile.com. It's possible the epc APN works better - and it's been something I have been meaning to test out.
Hi I have the unlimited web for smart phones on my dsah 3g my min connection is 10mbps if i am near philly it goes up to 19-21mbps(they are testing 3.5g there)
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Hi I have the unlimited web for smart phones on my dsah 3g my min connection is 10mbps if i am near philly it goes up to 19-21mbps(they are testing 3.5g there)
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The Dash 3G is only capable of up to 7.2mbps, as far as I know.
Are you obtaining these speeds from another device? I was under the impression only the Web Rocket USB Dongle could achieve 21mbps.
So I've been using my Tab connected to my ad-hoc wireless router generated by my Tilt 2. My Tilt 2 has an unlimited data plan, and I've been using it like that with my netbook for most of this year now. The Tab works fine like that, but it's still a hassle to set it up every time.
So I've been contemplating the practicality of a direct connection to the 3G network, but the biggest plan is 250 MB for around $15 USD.
My thoughts are this: Just how fast can someone blow through 250 MB, surfing and chatting on instant messengers? Web sites are getting more and more graphics-intensive, and some of them even auto-update icons on the pages.
Give me your opinions on this please. I especially am interested in what you AT&T people think, but I'm sure that anyone on this site can debate the points of direct vs. to-the-phone data sources for the Tab.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but you said that the biggest plan is 250mb for $15 a month. AT&T also offers a 2gb plan for $25 a month, however. I would be able to eat up 250mb pretty fast because I travel a lot and watch youtube, so if I could afford two data plans, I would opt for the higher data allowance.
If I were in the same situation as you, I would just flash a European firmware onto the tab (there are some great guides on this forum) and pop the sim card back and forth whenever needed. This might not be as practical for you if you have to take the battery out of the phone to get to the sim card (I have an iPhone and can hot-swap sims) but at least this way, you aren't wasting your Tilt 2's battery.
Hmm I dunno if 2GB is even enough! I wish I had a handy program to track my data useage regardless of whether I was on wifi or not, that way I could get a beetter sense of how much I use in a month's time, or even a week or a day.
Why not just use your Tilt 2 sim in the Tab exclusively? You'd need to flash a few FWs to enable voice functionality, but the you'd get an all-in-one device with unlimited data
So currently I have my internet provided by Fios - 15mpbs up and 5 mpbs down. Today a salesman from Cablevision offered me an "upgrade" - 50mpbs up and 8 mpbs down. Now what I understand is that with a fiber optic network, what they advertise (in this case 15/5) is what you usually get. With cable the bandwidth is shared between people in your neighborhood, so one rarely gets that full 50mbps. However, there's so much conflicting information on the internet about this I'm not sure what to believe.
So my question is, should I stay with Fios or switch to Cablevision (cost not considered)? If I do switch, how much of that 50mbps could I realistically use with a cable network?
Thanks for your help.
Well in the uk ofcom found that with virgins fiber network up to 50 mv they got a average of 42
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It all depends on the area you are in and how developed the cable network is. For example I am at college in a house in a small town in the middle of WI, we are paying for a 16meg connection but always maxes out at about 20.6 on a cable connection. In larger cities there will be more congestion.
The main reason there is a difference between fiber and coax is that fiber networks are newer and have much higher throughput devices throughout. Coax is still catching up. The total bandwidth is still 'shared' with your neighbors with fiber, but its just able to handle allot more and no nearly as many neighbors have fiber compared to coax.
If they are offering you a 50 meg service I would say go for it. I would believe that IF they offer something that high for residential they just upgraded their coax backend and are able to more handle the traffic. they would not just arbitrarily offer that speed and only be able to handle half of it, that would damage their reputation (not that they care) and cause networking nightmares.
Your best bet would be to ask someone who currently has their service and see if they can run a few speed tests at peak hours and see what their result is compared to what they should be getting.
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So currently I have my internet provided by Fios - 15mpbs up and 5 mpbs down. Today a salesman from Cablevision offered me an "upgrade" - 50mpbs up and 8 mpbs down. Now what I understand is that with a fiber optic network, what they advertise (in this case 15/5) is what you usually get. With cable the bandwidth is shared between people in your neighborhood, so one rarely gets that full 50mbps. However, there's so much conflicting information on the internet about this I'm not sure what to believe.
So my question is, should I stay with Fios or switch to Cablevision (cost not considered)? If I do switch, how much of that 50mbps could I realistically use with a cable network?
Thanks for your help.
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The FiOS network works quite differently than any COAX based network out there.
All coax networks run "Fiber To The Neighborhood(Node)/FTTN" serving anywhere between 200 to, in some cases, a thousand customers. All the available bandwidth is shared from the fiber node that serves the neighborhood. The way cable companies offer you speeds such as "50MBps" is siphon all available bandwidth to a subscriber who is performing a task that needs it. So if a bunch of subscribers all decide to perform tasks that require a lot of data, you will never see that 50MBps speed. Cable companies also usually have higher latency and experience higher packet loss. It should also be mention that even though it is called a "fiber node", it is not true fiber optic.
FiOS works on a PON (passive optical network) system. There are two types actively being used, BPON and GPON. GPON is the newest system and all customers will eventually be migrated to it. BPON and GPON both have a much greater possible bandwidth when compared to any cable system. Subscribers have an actual fiber network completely to the house/premise. Each subscribers only shares their connection on the Verizon network with 32 other customers with plenty of extra bandwidth available. All 32 customers could be using all of their subscribed bandwidth and it would not slow down the Verizon network. Verizon currently offers speeds up to 150MBps download and 50 upload. The most common tiers currently are 15/5, 25/25, and 35/35. Some areas also offer 50/50.
In other words, FiOS speeds are MUCH more reliable and consistent, no matter what time of day.
Someone should address the fact they asked about Mbps rather than MBps
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Someone should address the fact they asked about Mbps rather than MBps
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If you want to be a real stickler, he actually said mpbs, but we are all smart enough to know what he meant.
well i was referring to the difference between Megabits per second and MegaBytes per second
I can confirm the UK Virgin Media speeds
Short answer: All consumer based networking technologies are shared. Realistically you should always be able to get the bandwidth that they quote. Especially if your getting a "premium" connection like Verizon's FiOS.
When ISP's don't give enough headroom for the connection speeds that they quote, during prime-time hours your effective bandwidth is reduced. The only way to get around this is to get a leased line. But that's silly and impractical.
FWIW, If I were you I'd keep Verizon. The difference is not really worth it.
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I can confirm the UK Virgin Media speeds
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Back in the days of 512Kbps, NTL used to actually provide 600Kbps sold as 512, that way in any speed tests they always came out on top
There's also the issue of what they are refering to when they say Mb.
To me, and many other oldschool techies, Mb is 1024Kb, but that is now Mib.
Mb is 1000Kb.
If one company uses Mb and another uses Mib then speed tests can show incorrect results. Also there is the overhead with TCP/IP so when you transfer a 1MiB file you're actually transferring more than 1MiB.
Over here, Cable=fibre.
ADSL=copper phone lines.
Generally with cable over here you have more chance of always hitting (or getting bloody close to) the advertised speed.
A rule of thumb in the UK is, if you can get cable, and you have no problems, it's the best to go for.
I think there are three questions here... Is the cable company asking for less money? It is hard to justify paying for a faster speed when you may only be getting half of what's advertised. Why do you need more speed? Most places on the internet can only connect at a couple Mbps so, unless you have many devices all running at the same time, it is not likely that you will tap out your current connection. Do you game? FIOS would typically have a lower latency. If you would get a lower price and you aren't concerned about latency, it might be worth switching, but otherwise you will probably be happier with the more predictable nature of FIOS.
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Off topic but I noticed the other day that by were charging about 37 pounds for up to 20mb adsl (i only get 8) and and Virgin were 38 pounds for up to 50 mb fiber
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£37 for up to 20Mbps? I'd want to be getting 20 down and over 2 up for that price!
Cable vs Fiber
I would suggest to ask someone who is using Cablevision to get right feedback. Usually up speed of 50 mbps will not give too much difference.