http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePGELz5vvbs
I used his exact settings, the same source clip and the same encoder and CorePlayer plays it at 80%, playback is very laggy. This is on a Xperia X1. I have a hard time believing the HTC Touch HD is 25% faster, since it uses the exact same CPU.
Can someone with a HTC Touch HD benchmark this clip and see if you get the same performance as in the Youtube video?
Link to clip: http://rapidshare.com/files/167028320/Bond_800x480.AVI
i can confirm you that all of my axxo movies working with full screen and speed !!
by the way this is what gspot says about that video specs:
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Yes it's and 800x480 res video, but the general quality is low, I can see clearly compression artifacts for example
as jackthekayman says, it might be 800x480 but quality is pretty low. When it fades to black then back again, its REALLY ugly; loads of chunky blocks on the screen.
On my HD, Coreplayer benchmark says 82.96%
marcel808 said:
as jackthekayman says, it might be 800x480 but quality is pretty low. When it fades to black then back again, its REALLY ugly; loads of chunky blocks on the screen.
On my HD, Coreplayer benchmark says 82.96%
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yes, the resolution isn't the problem of video lag with divx and other videos in this early days of hd life, the problem is how to playback video with standard bitrate for pc use o with very high bitrate, that's the point
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Yes it's and 800x480 res video, but the general quality is low, I can see clearly compression artifacts for example
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That's not the point. I know it looks crap.
I want to know if it really runs at 99% in CorePlayer on the Touch HD like the guy on Youtube claims, because on my Xperia I get crappy playback and 80% on the benchmark.
I simply want to know if the Touch HD is 25% faster than the Xperia at playing (crappy) DivX videos or if that video is fake.
marcel808 said:
as jackthekayman says, it might be 800x480 but quality is pretty low. When it fades to black then back again, its REALLY ugly; loads of chunky blocks on the screen.
On my HD, Coreplayer benchmark says 82.96%
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That's consistent with my results, the guy who made the video is probably lying then. Unless he got a special Touch HD
Can more people try the file and verify it runs at around 80% with the Touch HD?
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That's not the point. I know it looks crap.
I want to know if it really runs at 99% in CorePlayer on the Touch HD like the guy on Youtube claims, because on my Xperia I get crappy playback and 80% on the benchmark.
I simply want to know if the Touch HD is 25% faster than the Xperia at playing (crappy) DivX videos or if that video is fake.
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Xperia is anywhere between 10-25% slower than HD when it comes to this.
Read here: http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6249
tnyynt said:
Xperia is anywhere between 10-25% slower than HD when it comes to this.
Read here: http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6249
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How did you translate "12% higher framerate and 13% higher average speed" to 10-25%? I'd like people to bench the file on their Touch HD and post the results, I've already read that article.
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How did you translate "12% higher framerate and 13% higher average speed" to 10-25%? I'd like people to bench the file on their Touch HD and post the results, I've already read that article.
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Look at the final bech results: 102% vs 115%. That's 13% slower on that certain file. Other tests with other files have various results showing Xperia slower with 10-11% and also others up to 20-25% slower.
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Look at the final bech results: 102% vs 115%. That's 13% slower on that certain file. Other tests with other files have various results showing Xperia slower with 10-11% and also others up to 20-25% slower.
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That may well be, but I'm interested in the performance of this file. And so far only one person has posted his results, which showed the Touch HD as 1% faster than the Xperia. Maybe you could bench it too?
jackthekayman said:
yes, the resolution isn't the problem of video lag with divx and other videos in this early days of hd life, the problem is how to playback video with standard bitrate for pc use o with very high bitrate, that's the point
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Of course it becomes always more uglier when u convert video from a lossy format to the another one. Converting this same trailer from 1080p FullHd to 800x480 with excatly identical settings would show much improved quality, and filesize would still be similar.
lommer said:
i can confirm you that all of my axxo movies working with full screen and speed !!
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Hi, by saying full screen and speed you mean? Why not u let us know what the bench mark test percentage on your core player. Thanks!
My Coreplayer benchmark is at 84% (777kbits/s)
Edit: I got 88.08% (815kbits/s) with the file on the device not the SD card. Makes me wish the HD came with 16gb of internal memory.
I wonder if HTC are putting out "special" review units again? There was a lot of suspicion over all the complementary reviews of the Tytn II's video performance compared to the reality of production units, with various claims about drivers possibly being present on those review units that weren't included in the production ROM. Could that explain the difference here?
Seems no one can duplicate that guys results.
Current clip from first post played 93,5% with my touch hd
Settings like in the video, qtv, smooth zoom off, video quality high, sound stereo, zoom 100%
Tried it abt five times, with different setting (turning sound to mono etc.), just wanted to know can i boost it to 100%, but always got about 92-94%
I have push mail through exchange active sync and messenger in the background, i think i could get near what that guy gets (98%) if i disable them.
Benchmarked myself the file. I got results between 85-95%, each time I ran it.
The only way of getting 100+ bench results and the only way of playing back that file smooth like the guy in the Youtube video is setting quality to medium. That brings 135% bench result and super smooth playback.
If you look carefully at the youtube video, he also seems to use the medium quality setting as some scenes are faded, and medium quality does that.
tnyynt said:
Benchmarked myself the file. I got results between 85-95%, each time I ran it.
The only way of getting 100+ bench results and the only way of playing back that file smooth like the guy in the Youtube video is setting quality to medium. That brings 135% bench result and super smooth playback.
If you look carefully at the youtube video, he also seems to use the medium quality setting as some scenes are faded, and medium quality does that.
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He said he got 98% in the test, so its only little higher what u or me got at our best shot. I think its totally possible with high settings, doing some tweaks and closing maybe touchflo 3d and other processes to get some extra cpu cycles free.
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How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
Thanks
bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity
manuelcalavera said:
bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity
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Its not only bigger screen... its also bigger resolution (By 25%)...
If its another type of screen, it could even have better performance at less ennergy consumption
Great video tough i can't undestand that language either.
atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
Thanks
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I don't understand what you mean.
the maximum of vids you can play (or lets say that the screen will show you) is ofcourse its own resolution. So you will not see real HD videos as this screen has not got a real HD resolution. But its own resolution is no problem for the CPU. Playing a movie with a bigger size, will just downscale the video to the resoultion of the HD but as there is more data to process, it may slow the CPU more down, depending of how big the movie is. but you would not want to play a 1080p video on this anyway as it would just use up huge amount of storage space, but doesn't look better. You will get the best and sharpest images if you convert your movies to the exact resolution of the screen.
Oh I understood your point, cause you probably use PocketDivXEncoder..
I was just comparing with HTC Kaiser.. On videos as well as other stuff, it sucked.
This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?
donbronzi said:
This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?
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i cant imagine that the HD as any problem with videos. It often just highly depends on the play. Windows media play is crap in playing videos most of the time. But even my old Compaq Ipaq could play videos very smooth.
Some players are faster then others.
language is czech
I thought it was Czech!!
But can you translate that part?
I think that it isn't very fluid the streaming..
Sometimes we notice some delays.. On my Diamond I can see it too..
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How do you think HD will be playing HD videos?
Thanks
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to answer the original question, no it will not be able to play HD videos.
HD by definition is at least 720p, that's 720p or 1080p by today's market distribution, may be later on, there will be some weird resolution at 960p or something like that. but right now HD video are only available in 720p or 1080p
1. the video chip is not powerful enough to decode HD content,
2. windows mobile 6 doesn't support HD content
3. Touch HD only has screen resolution of 800x640, again far from HD
4. CPU isn't power enough to decode HD content (even a full desktop/laptop 500 MHz cpu isn't enough to decode, let alone a stripped down mobile cpu.)
im sure that this "HD" will have some serious problems on playing good resolution videos ...
man , qualcomm's 528 Mhz is the CPU of htc diamond, and they let that beast to have this heart on his chest ! its not fair
I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3fAROWXVQiw&feature=related
Look at 7 min, he shows a youtube movie wvga quality. It doesn't play very smooth either. Let's hope its because of a bad connection or something.
And lets not forget that the units floating around as preview units did carry unfinished ROM and early-stage drivers
Lucas0511 said:
I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on
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oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.
buggybug0 said:
oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.
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it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic.
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i am thinking of the OP's original question "can HD play HD videos" of course i understand the resolution of this phone and the video it will play.
so i dont know what you are thinking posting without reading the entire thread.
my post, which you quoted was wishing for playing good video at a decent frame rate. sure you can play videos on your 6 year old ppc, but try play, say a jet li movie on there, all his actions are a blur because the framerate isn't fast enough to capture all his kungfu actions. dido for sports videos. you understand now?
and if you are confused regarding why the OP want to watch and HD video on a non HD display, well i can tell you it is possible to put a video with higher resolution on a device which lower resolution display. it will just be upto that CPU to decode and shrink the video. suuurree, it doens't make sense, but it's do-able.. uptill a certain point (resolution), above which it will be too heavy and too much work for the CPU. and if you want to ask why, well i'm guessing 1. the OP was mislead by the phone's name Touch HD, 2. he may not have the time or software or doesn't want to reprocess the movies to 800x480.
and if you are still confused after reading all that.. well... ummm... LOL
Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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Aye but i'd love to seen a flawless WGVA streaming video....
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that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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technically i disagree, but from a practical standpoint, sure, i'll go with that. those net videos doesn't require much processing power to decode, very little load on cpu.
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it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem.
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Traditionally speaking, all HTC devices have very poor video playback .
Till the latest batch of VGA Devices (Diamond and Touch Pro) which i have no access to and hence cannot comment upon, all previous VGA devices had problem playing back video ENCODED AT THERE NATIVE RESOLUTION. (for reference, have a look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324371&highlight=video)
the best i could manage was a 532x300 xvid with a bitrate of 800-1200.
so it will be a very pleasant surprise if the HD can playback video encoded at 640x480 leave alone 800x480.
On a side note, since HD will be pretty similar to the Diamond / Touch Pro , you could probably ask your friends to run a benchmark with different resolutions and bitrates.
Hello fellow form readers
I have got a question.
Is there som software that converts a avi movie ore a vlc movie file 2 a playabele movie thats on the same resolution as the screen?
i have got the soft ware fore my meizu mp3 player so i wonderd if there is somthing like that fore the x1
thnxs fore the help
And sorry fore the bad english
greetings
Any H.264 encoder will usually do, I use Videora ipod converter and use a existing a H.264 profile for the ipod and make some manual changes. Such maximum resolution to 800x480, 1mbit Data rate, and etc.
Video re-encoding is a trial and error type of process, so which ever program you are most familiar with or comfortable with is usually the best bet at first. It took me maybe 12 trials to find just the right profile to use for my videos.
Theres a thread in the forums in regards to this though it was more on the topic of whether the x1 can handle high data rates instead and later branched to other similar topics.
I use Ahead Nero Recode, is included in every more or less intelligent Nero installation. Excellent speed, multicore support and the quality while played back on the mediapanel is astounding...
I suggest the following: 400*2xx (220 to 280, depends on source), video bitrate around 400kbps AVC, audio should be HE-AAC encoded around 64 to 80kbps.
1mbps is definitely an overkill and WVGA too, just flattens the battery by causing ENORMEMOUS stress on the CPU.
As an orientation point for convenient converting, the 007-Trailer has this parameters:
Video: h.264 AVC Coding, 480 × 260, 891 kbps, 24 FPS
Audio: MPEG-4 Audio AAC stereo, 44.1 kHz, 128 kbps
Converting works fine with "ffmpeg" or "MPEG Streamclip" or (the no longer continued) "VisualHUB" (for OSX only)
Format Factory
I've used this to convert for my Kaiser lots of times. It is a free multi-format convertor for video, sound and images (although I really only use it for video).
From their website:
FormatFactory is a multifunctional media converter.
Provides functions below:
All to MP4/3GP/MPG/AVI/WMV/FLV/SWF.
All to MP3//WMA/MMF/AMR/OGG/M4A/WAV.
All to JPG/BMP/PNG/TIF/ICO/....
Rip DVD to video file , Rip Music CD to audio file.
MP4 files support iPod/iPhone/PSP/BlackBerry format.
Source files support RMVB.
FormatFactory's Feature:
1 support converting all popular video,audio,picture formats to others.
2 Repair damaged video and audio file.
3 Reducing Multimedia file size.
4 Support iphone,ipod multimedia file formats.
5 Picture converting supports Zoom,Rotate/Flip,tags.
6 DVD Ripper.
7 Supports 35 languages
http://www.formatoz.com/
Hope it proves useful for you
I have some videos with the following format : XViD in .AVI container around 1000kbps 624x352 res with MP3 48khz 120kbps stereo; any idea if X1 capable of playback those kind of videos?
Yes but the bond trailer is an absolute overkill. The quality doesnt get better at all on the X1 and for the PC you already have the files in better quality. As I said, again, 400*2xx at 400kbps avc-video and 80kbps he-aac audio.
Your divx files couls work, the imagesize could be a little bit too much and might needs resizing for a smooth playback experience.
I have been using "Any DVD Converter Professional"
Simple to use
Click "Add Video"
Browse to the file you want to add
Click "Profile"
I've been using "Apple iPhone/iPod Touch MPEG-4"
Video codec x264
Video Size 480x270
Video Bitrate 768
Audio Bitrate 128
sample Rate 44100
Audio Channel 2
I dont know if this is the best settings but, the converted files play perfect on full screen mode, and they play back in Windows media player (i don't know if this is due to having the required files installed for watching desktop youtube tho)
The files dont jump or flicker when watching, and even in fast moving scenes ever thing is clear and problem free
If any one has better settings or something that work even better than this I'm happy to try, but these settings give me the smoothest playing viedos ive had so far.
Hope this helps someone else
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Yes but the bond trailer is an absolute overkill. The quality doesnt get better at all on the X1 and for the PC you already have the files in better quality. As I said, again, 400*2xx at 400kbps avc-video and 80kbps he-aac audio.
Your divx files couls work, the imagesize could be a little bit too much and might needs resizing for a smooth playback experience.
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uh, to whom were u replying to?
that bond trailer is overkill? then did u mean that X1 isn't even capable to playback it smoothly?
SUPER is an open-source, free encoder/decoder which incorporates ALL the open-source libraries, can convert all formats to everything and has presets for iPod, etc.
You can't do anything wrong with it, but you still have all the settings in a nice GUI.
Description: http://www.erightsoft.com/Superdc.html
Download here: http://www.erightsoft.org/GetFile.php?SUPERsetup.exe
Screenshot:
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xperian said:
SUPER is an open-source, free encoder/decoder which incorporates ALL the open-source libraries, can convert all formats to everything and has presets for iPod, etc.
You can't do anything wrong with it, but you still have all the settings in a nice GUI.
Description: http://www.erightsoft.com/Superdc.html
Download here: http://www.erightsoft.org/GetFile.php?SUPERsetup.exe
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I downloaded it, but i only magaged to get only 1 minut of a movie. Is it me or is it the program?
schaggo said:
I use Ahead Nero Recode, is included in every more or less intelligent Nero installation. Excellent speed, multicore support and the quality while played back on the mediapanel is astounding...
I suggest the following: 400*2xx (220 to 280, depends on source), video bitrate around 400kbps AVC, audio should be HE-AAC encoded around 64 to 80kbps.
1mbps is definitely an overkill and WVGA too, just flattens the battery by causing ENORMEMOUS stress on the CPU.
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True, I agree when comparing a 800x480 video to a 400x240 on such a small screen maybe kind've tough , but at least at 640x360 you see a much better improvement over a wqvga resolution video as much more crisp. As far as Nero Recode I never honestly tried it and will probably give it a run today.
Also as far as the bond trailer they included, it was definitely not the best video job to display x1s capabilities. My higher resolution videos played back better then the trailer they included on the phone.
Thanks for pointing out that software xperian
Your link won't work though because you have to go through erights website to activate the link.
Their website is a bit of a mine field to find the actual download link, but I found it eventually.
THANKS AGAIN!
SUPER
xperian said:
SUPER is an open-source, free encoder/decoder which incorporates ALL the open-source libraries, can convert all formats to everything and has presets for iPod, etc.
You can't do anything wrong with it, but you still have all the settings in a nice GUI.
Description: http://www.erightsoft.com/Superdc.html
Download here: http://www.erightsoft.org/GetFile.php?SUPERsetup.exe
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I agree with Conky, it's difficult to find the download link, but when you do it's worth the effort.
Thanks to xperian for the advice, it worked a treat for me.
I cant go to the website for super. Can anyone up the program?
nap007 said:
uh, to whom were u replying to?
that bond trailer is overkill? then did u mean that X1 isn't even capable to playback it smoothly?
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Uhhm... good question I guess it was Snoman I was replying to.
If you watch closely, the Bond Trailer stutters. Right at the beginning, when he drags the chair around its stuttering. Also when the image switches over to the guys (Greene and his guys) coming down the stairs, its stuttering.
puerrican85 said:
True, I agree when comparing a 800x480 video to a 400x240 on such a small screen maybe kind've tough , but at least at 640x360 you see a much better improvement over a wqvga resolution video as much more crisp. As far as Nero Recode I never honestly tried it and will probably give it a run today.
Also as far as the bond trailer they included, it was definitely not the best video job to display x1s capabilities. My higher resolution videos played back better then the trailer they included on the phone.
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Definitely, the trailers not *that* good when watching closely. Ugh, you know, I dont say WQVGA is the best, of course higher resolution is even more crip. I just say: for me, my taste, its just *enough*, as in just good enough to look good on the X1.
The Nero AVC codec is very very very good, with Recode 3 they did a great job. I tried Recode 2 the other day, couldnt find the settings which work on the mediapanel, I only get black screen. I'll experiment some more on that, cuz Recode 2 is a free download...!
I'll probably upp some screens of how its to be done with Recode 3 to get good results, mine is in German, trying to translate all the terms would be, uuhm... useless
s.u.p.e.r is a very good programm to convert movies to phone format.
but nvidia kaboom and tcmpg 4.0 xpress can transcode on geforce hardware dramaticly faster. (8xxx+9xxx+02x0).
on my gtx280 i can transcode with 250 fps (kaboom). really nice!
and my cpu is at 15% while transcoding.
Isnt it called Badaboom...?
Edit: and also TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress...?
WTF, is reading the titlebar of an application really *that* hard?
I Use www.any-video-converter.com free ware. Usually just looking at the resolution the file came in and halving it.
I've used Super before and it's not the most stable of software and the difficulty of actually finding the software to download was annoying.
I have found a quick and easy solution for all those 640x350 xvid avi's that people seem to have (*cough* downloaded TV shows *cough*) and that is to use core player and just set the quality to medium doesn't totally suck and gives the 100% benchmark rather than the 75-80% performance from the standard playback.
edit: Just thought; I would like more than 3 settings on the coreplayer (low, medium, high) perhaps a sliding scale would enable me to tailor the video to it's best performace/display ratio. Suppose i better look on coreplayers website to see if there's any chance
I'm going to make the final decision on buying these... I rather choose both of this phone over iPhone.. The screen resolution is high and I love that !
Video playback & Youtube 60%
Call & Organizer 30%
Games 10%
I didn't care if it has qwerty keyboard or not. I did care a little on size of the screen but I really want the one that have the good video playback experience.
I saw many vid from youtube that the touch HD screen is kind of yellow.. I just wanna know that can I fix that sort of problem (well, it's a problem for me). I see that the X1 has the better contrat and more beautiful (as I see from youtube). I really like the 3.8 inches screen. Is there any color fix on the HD?
My HD doesn't have any yellowness with video playback .
Blacks and whites are both pure. I compared my HD video playback to a X1 and the HD wins handsout. Even if it's just the way bigger screen which is real comfortable with watching, it wins. And by having coreplayer you can just throw any divx movie at it and it'll play it without stuttering.
Performance wise there isn't a whole lot of difference though.
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To improve performance with video playback on your HD you should do some minor tweaks which will help alot, like the SD Tuneup tweak. Theres a thread on improving video playback and how you do it aswell.
I watch load of films on my HD and I have never noticed a problem with yellowness. Then again I have not seen the screen of the X1.
antrak said:
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To improve performance with video playback on your HD you should do some minor tweaks which will help alot, like the SD Tuneup tweak. Theres a thread on improving video playback and how you do it aswell.
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antrak, never sure whether to install SD tuneup on the phone or the card, which do you recommend?
TIA
gromitt said:
antrak, never sure whether to install SD tuneup on the phone or the card, which do you recommend?
TIA
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It's supposed to be installed on the internal memory (phone) which will then allow for faster file access on your card.
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I have both an X1 and a HD, I just compared the 2 and the X1 has a slightly higher contrast. The HD still looks better then the X1 though cause of the screen size and is much more comfortable watching.
Too bad I don't have a camcorder otherwise I could post a comparison vid for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zwqv9PU3ns
here this is what I mean.. It seem that the color and the contrast on the touch hd seem to be yellow. Look at the background when it is white on the iPhone.. I'm not sure about it, anyway thx about the replies : ) i don't know that it is like this or not
bakerysong said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zwqv9PU3ns
here this is what I mean.. It seem that the color and the contrast on the touch hd seem to be yellow. Look at the background when it is white on the iPhone.. I'm not sure about it, anyway thx about the replies : ) i don't know that it is like this or not
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It's not as bad as it looks in that video. I only noticed that its not bright white yesterday when i had my Touch HD next to a Blackbetty 8900 and could see the blackberry was whiter. It's white but not as white as other phones, and certainly not yellow.
Looks to me more like the iPhone is too blue
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guess i make a stupid thread haha
thx all replies
There is absolutely no yellowness issue you mention. The HD movie performance are just insane, better than any currently available device - it's just awesome. I watch a lot of movies on HD and I'm always blown away with the quality.
The fact that you can use just normal DIVX movies from torrents is also very cool.
Also, as for the contrast / brightness, I don't know if you guys are aware, but you can actually control the color adjustments in Core player, and some of those presets do produce a punchier video image, more saturated, deeper blacks etc. Beware that using custom color adjustments can have a negative impact on performance in some cases. So, if you experience lag, just turn it back to "native".
Also, you need to take into consideration whether your device has auto-adjust brightness turned on, because it's possible that is reducing the overall image brightness.
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I saw many vid from youtube that the touch HD screen is kind of yellow.. I just wanna know that can I fix that sort of problem (well, it's a problem for me). I see that the X1 has the better contrat and more beautiful (as I see from youtube). I really like the 3.8 inches screen. Is there any color fix on the HD?
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There's no color problem. I guess the problem you saw was related to the white balance of the video (or maybe it is your LCD monitor)?
Anyway, mine is fine. The 3.8" screen is amazing for videos and there are no color problems. You don't really get to run 800x480 vids, that's too big.. But even smaller, e.g. VGA quality films look terrific. Remember that it's higher than the resolution of a TV set.
As for games.. If you want games - BUY AN IPOD. The HD / X1 are both based on WM and they are no match for the IPOD.
Hope that helps you..
Ethan
EthanX said:
You don't really get to run 800x480 vids, that's too big..
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Sure you do. Use h264 in mp4, run in wmp or album, and you get acceleration. Looks great, and you can re-encode ntsc DVDs (720*480) in 1:1, so no loss of quality through scaling.
We all know that the maximum video recording resolution of HTC wildfire is 352 x 288. Max fps will be 19 and max bitrate is 800 kbps. Who expects these things for a 5mp cam. I would like to ask the custom Rom builders to improve the above camera features. I know that the 528 mhz processor can't handle the 720p video recording. But now a days the processor is being overclocked to even 768 mhz which can handle the 720p video. Developers pls work on the camera. Atleast to vga resolution of 640 x 480.
I would like to point out the camera of Nokia 5233 which is less than half the price of wildfire. Nokia 5233 has video recording resolution of 640 x 480. It's fps is 30 and bitrate is 3000 kbps approx. And all these features for a 2mp cam.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
This is a dev zone mate, not a feature request zone. Please try and respect it.
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bharatgaddameedi said:
We all know that the maximum video recording resolution of HTC wildfire is 352 x 288. Max fps will be 19 and max bitrate is 800 kbps. Who expects these things for a 5mp cam. I would like to ask the custom Rom builders to improve the above camera features. I know that the 528 mhz processor can't handle the 720p video recording. But now a days the processor is being overclocked to even 768 mhz which can handle the 720p video. Developers pls work on the camera. Atleast to vga resolution of 640 x 480.
I would like to point out the camera of Nokia 5233 which is less than half the price of wildfire. Nokia 5233 has video recording resolution of 640 x 480. It's fps is 30 and bitrate is 3000 kbps approx. And all these features for a 2mp cam.
This is really a great injustice to wildfire. Pls develop it.
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Why in hell would we develop this ? First of all it will degenerate your cpu like hell because it has to be overclocked at maximum always you use 720 p recording, or even 640 x 480 ? Second it requires kernel , libraries and android core - code adjustments.. And the most devs (who are students) don't have a lot of time to rewrite these parts ( read whole ROM). So your best shot is to write a complaint letter to HTC. Further I can add that the wildfire , because it's a low-budget smartphone, doesn't has a high resolution screen (it's QVGA) so you wouldn't even see a difference because the screen just won't show it. You would only see a difference if you would use these video's on your pc, but my answer on that is : buy a digital camera (I prefer sony, lol).
Hope my answer was helpfull.
Maybe the sensor can't handle large video resolution s. Because other phones can do it doesn't mean that the sensor is the same as the one in our Wildfire.... It can be a cheaper sensor.
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Wildfire struggles to record in its crappy resolution at 10 fps. You want 1 spf VGA video? Be my guest. meh.
720x480 already 1fps for wildfire. And you even want a arm6 processor to take 720p video?
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what is the custom rom that records 720 x 480 video at 1fps. and whats the bitrate in this. pls add a note. and what about the cam pictures quality in this rom. is there any improvement.
i know that even if wildfire takes 720p video, there is no improvement in the video viewing in the wildfire, as its screen resolution is the limiting factor. but im not asking about watching the video in wildfire. i wanted to watch the videos in pc and HDTV. let me just ask u guys a question.
suppose u are having a nice digicam which has the capacity of recording 1080p video @ 30fps and a great bitrate. now do u watch the videos taken by it in that digicam itself, or do u watch them in a full HD 1080p HDTV or a 1080p HD monitor.
i have heard before (untill december) in some forums that wildfire has the capacity to record 720p video. and when it is updated to froyo, it will be recording at 720p. but that didnt happen. even the 3 network in UK, which updated to froyo in february 1st week, announced that they will give the 720p recording to wildfire, but they haven't done it.
i expect that wildfire has the potential to record at 720 x 480 fluently.
here im attaching u an android application called "ELIXIR". u may also search the market for an updated version. the version here is 1.9.3
coming to "ELIXIR", it is an application which gives system hardware and software information. and let us see what it gave with camcorder of htc wildfire.
video rec resolution: 720 x 480
frame rate: 24 frames per sec
video bitrate: 3000kbps.
video codec : H.263
file format: MPEG
the audio bitrate is 12 kbps, single channel, amr, sample rate 8 kHz
Did you knew the words "Hardware Limitations"?
That application says:
Best recording quality is 720x420
The camera supports 24 fps.
If you'd like to get 24 fps, use lowest resolution for video capture and it's possible to get 24 fps.
bharatgaddameedi said:
what is the custom rom that records 720 x 480 video at 1fps. and whats the bitrate in this. pls add a note. and what about the cam pictures quality in this rom. is there any improvement.
i know that even if wildfire takes 720p video, there is no improvement in the video viewing in the wildfire, as its screen resolution is the limiting factor. but im not asking about watching the video in wildfire. i wanted to watch the videos in pc and HDTV. let me just ask u guys a question.
suppose u are having a nice digicam which has the capacity of recording 1080p video @ 30fps and a great bitrate. now do u watch the videos taken by it in that digicam itself, or do u watch them in a full HD 1080p HDTV or a 1080p HD monitor.
i have heard before (untill december) in some forums that wildfire has the capacity to record 720p video. and when it is updated to froyo, it will be recording at 720p. but that didnt happen. even the 3 network in UK, which updated to froyo in february 1st week, announced that they will give the 720p recording to wildfire, but they haven't done it.
i expect that wildfire has the potential to record at 720 x 480 fluently.
here im attaching u an android application called "ELIXIR". u may also search the market for an updated version. the version here is 1.9.3
coming to "ELIXIR", it is an application which gives system hardware and software information. and let us see what it gave with camcorder of htc wildfire.
video rec resolution: 720 x 480
frame rate: 24 frames per sec
video bitrate: 3000kbps.
video codec : H.263
file format: MPEG
the audio bitrate is 12 kbps, single channel, amr, sample rate 8 kHz
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argh. there is no rom which can record at that resolution. the max resolution is near QVGA. AND THAT IS ALREADY LAGGY ENOUGH. Wildfire DOES NOT have the capacity to record at 720p, which is incidentally a 1280x720 resolution, not 720x480 (which is 480p).
I don't know what's wrong with that app, but wildfire most definitely cannot record 720x480 @24fps. that is like trying to run Crysis on an original Pentium. THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE!!! and it has been discussed many times so I suggest you give up. -_-
Edit: I hope you realize that cam quality is more of a HARDWARE limitation than software.
someone said me that to get 24fps video recording on wildfire, we should use the lowest possible resolution.
i have done that keeping all other options default. but even i didnt get 24fps. explain
im working with unrooted stock froyo, waiting desperately to get rooted.
bharatgaddameedi said:
someone said me that to get 24fps video recording on wildfire, we should use the lowest possible resolution.
i have done that keeping all other options default. but even i didnt get 24fps. explain
im working with unrooted stock froyo, waiting desperately to get rooted.
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Read Post #10. Also, it has been said many times in this thread the Wildfire records laggy video even at its default resolutions.
The Wildfire doesn't get 24 fps even at the lowest resolution, and your first post requests 720p recording for it. Oh, the irony....
h4oxer said:
Why in hell would we develop this ? First of all it will degenerate your cpu like hell because it has to be overclocked at maximum always you use 720 p recording, or even 640 x 480 ? Second it requires kernel , libraries and android core - code adjustments.. And the most devs (who are students) don't have a lot of time to rewrite these parts ( read whole ROM). So your best shot is to write a complaint letter to HTC. Further I can add that the wildfire , because it's a low-budget smartphone, doesn't has a high resolution screen (it's QVGA) so you wouldn't even see a difference because the screen just won't show it. You would only see a difference if you would use these video's on your pc, but my answer on that is : buy a digital camera (I prefer sony, lol).
Hope my answer was helpfull.
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lets keep the topic of degenerating cpu aside for a while. lets keep the cpu in the safe margin 528 to 575 MHz. and also let us forget about the 720p recording. and even forget about the 24fps.
and let us now concentrate on
--max cpu overclock of 575 MHz
--just getting 10fps and if possible to 15fps
--with a resolution of 640 x 480 (or even slightly lower which becomes intermediate between the current wildfires and this one)
IS IT POSSIBLE.
u said that it requires kernel , libraries and android core - code adjustments..
im not asking someone to write those. just asking whether the above video recording configuration is possible or not if some great developer works on it.
u also mentioned to write a complaint letter to HTC. i dont have expectations that this solves the problem. the reason is HTC didnt improve the wildfire camera even by a little bit in the froyo update.
i dont understand why the 3 network of UK in association with HTC announced that there will be 720p video in the froyo update. this is meaningless because they didnt even gave a 480p via the froyo update. Anyhow writing a complaint letter to htc should be a try. if someone can link me the contact of htc, it would be more appreciable.
and further u mentioned that the screen resolution of wildfire limits. im sorry if the following question is sooo numb.
just check this website: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_google_nexus_one-3069.php
i dont know if there is something wrong with that website or not.
but i cant believe my eyes when i saw that HTC GOOGLE NEXUS ONE has got multi touch input method via FIRMWARE UPGRADE. i thought that the multitouch is a hardware feature. is it really possible with just a firmware upgrade. if so, can we expect the wildfire screen resolution to become better with a firmware upgrade. i know even if it is possible, HTC wont do that since it is crushing wildfire for the purpose of wildfire s. i just wanted to know whether screen resolution is a software issue.
and i remember some days back, some guy made a custom rom of wildfire and he said that it has better screen resolution. what does that mean. i dont remember that custom rom name anyway.
and is it possible to improve the screen resolution a little bit, retaining the same 4:3 aspect ratio.
guys a few more numb questions if u have patience to answer. later
bharatgaddameedi said:
if so, can we expect the wildfire screen resolution to become better with a firmware upgrade.
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Oh Snap!
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Anyway, I'll still answer your queries:
* It is NOT Possible to have a higher res video recording on the Wildfire, and, as you yourself said, the Wildfire cannot record even 240x320 at 24 fps, why would you want to increase the resolution? I think, you have been said that 10 times in this thread about this, and, still you are not getting it. I don't know what it will take to make you understand, but whatever.
* Write a Complaint letter to HTC yourself. Why make others write to them for your complaint? Their contact details can be found on their website.
http://www.htc.com/in/CS_Mail.aspx
* As for the N1, it;'s hardware was already ready to have Multi Touch Features, but, it was not provided with the software to support it, for reasons unknown. As I have already given one more example, the Xperia X10 received Multi Touch after its official Eclair Update. Here's another example: Apple's iPod Touches Received Bluetooth Functionality after updating to iOS 3.0. There was no trace of BT before that.
* Additional features can be unlocked by OTA Updates only if they already exist on the hardware. Getting better screen resolution on the Wildfire wont ever be possible, because, the screen (the actual hardware) supports only 240 x 320.
* 3 UK probably made a mistake in their announcement, but, I dont think you have to bring that up 10 times. What they say is not the law, you know.
* The 'Better Screen Resolution' Effect can be achieved by using an app called LCD Density Changer. This ROOT ONLY App however, only provides an effect of an increased resolution by decreasing the size of the UI elements. Your screen resolution remains at 240x320.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer
Lastly, I would recommend you read around a bit rather than posting the same thing everytime. All your queries are answered by others elsewhere.
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Oh Snap!
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Anyway, I'll still answer your queries:
* It is NOT Possible to have a higher res video recording on the Wildfire, and, as you yourself said, the Wildfire cannot record even 240x320 at 24 fps, why would you want to increase the resolution? I think, you have been said that 10 times in this thread about this, and, still you are not getting it. I don't know what it will take to make you understand, but whatever.
* Write a Complaint letter to HTC yourself. Why make others write to them for your complaint? Their contact details can be found on their website.
http://www.htc.com/in/CS_Mail.aspx
* As for the N1, it;'s hardware was already ready to have Multi Touch Features, but, it was not provided with the software to support it, for reasons unknown. As I have already given one more example, the Xperia X10 received Multi Touch after its official Eclair Update. Here's another example: Apple's iPod Touches Received Bluetooth Functionality after updating to iOS 3.0. There was no trace of BT before that.
* Additional features can be unlocked by OTA Updates only if they already exist on the hardware. Getting better screen resolution on the Wildfire wont ever be possible, because, the screen (the actual hardware) supports only 240 x 320.
* 3 UK probably made a mistake in their announcement, but, I dont think you have to bring that up 10 times. What they say is not the law, you know.
* The 'Better Screen Resolution' Effect can be achieved by using an app called LCD Density Changer. This ROOT ONLY App however, only provides an effect of an increased resolution by decreasing the size of the UI elements. Your screen resolution remains at 240x320.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer
Lastly, I would recommend you read around a bit rather than posting the same thing everytime. All your queries are answered by others elsewhere.
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Nothing left to say after that reply... I'd like to clarify about multi touch though, it wasn't included originally due to patent issues with Apple (go figure).
Ah, that explains it, because, I would have expected Google to release with all their features originally intact, unlike Apple. (BT, as stated above, and, the iPod Touch teardown shows a FM Radio also, but, Apple only decides to give it to the Touch v4 )
bharatgaddameedi said:
if so, can we expect the wildfire screen resolution to become better with a firmware upgrade
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fifarunnerr said:
Did you knew the words "Hardware Limitations"?
That application says:
Best recording quality is 720x420
The camera supports 24 fps.
If you'd like to get 24 fps, use lowest resolution for video capture and it's possible to get 24 fps.
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yes, wildfire gives 24fps when using the lowest resolution.
sorry that i made a wrong post before. at first i have checked that while recording in dim light. it didnt give 24fps. then i checked that while recording in the sunlight at mid afternoon. then it gave me 24fps.
so while checking out the cam quality, one must be dealing in enough good light.
and with 320 x 240 resol it gave me 19fps in mid day sunlight. this will definately be much better option than the above 24 fps low res. thanks
bharatgaddameedi said:
yes, wildfire gives 24fps when using the lowest resolution.
sorry that i made a wrong post before. at first i have checked that while recording in dim light. it didnt give 24fps. then i checked that while recording in the sunlight at mid afternoon. then it gave me 24fps.
so while checking out the cam quality, one must be dealing in enough good light.
and with 320 x 240 resol it gave me 19fps in mid day sunlight. this will definately be much better option than the above 24 fps low res. thanks
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lol. even good cameras have trouble in low light many a time. meh.
3xeno said:
* Write a Complaint letter to HTC yourself. Why make others write to them for your complaint? Their contact details can be found on their website.
http://www.htc.com/in/CS_Mail.aspx
* As for the N1, it;'s hardware was already ready to have Multi Touch Features, but, it was not provided with the software to support it, for reasons unknown. As I have already given one more example, the Xperia X10 received Multi Touch after its official Eclair Update. Here's another example: Apple's iPod Touches Received Bluetooth Functionality after updating to iOS 3.0. There was no trace of BT before that.
* Additional features can be unlocked by OTA Updates only if they already exist on the hardware. Getting better screen resolution on the Wildfire wont ever be possible, because, the screen (the actual hardware) supports only 240 x 320.
* The 'Better Screen Resolution' Effect can be achieved by using an app called LCD Density Changer. This ROOT ONLY App however, only provides an effect of an increased resolution by decreasing the size of the UI elements. Your screen resolution remains at 240x320.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer
Lastly, I would recommend you read around a bit rather than posting the same thing everytime. All your queries are answered by others elsewhere.
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*anyhow i would not make an attempt to write to htc, as i dont have confidence in them that they will do something for wildfire.
*
*wow, great explanation. and its really painful to hear that manufacturers are releasing their phone models with hardware features locked. This makes me to think about the ATI DESKTOP GRAPHIC CARDS (radeon hd 4xxx series) which have the hardware features like PARALLEL PROCESSING and etc which are lately enabled via software updates.
but how can we know about locked features, if a phone is released with hardware features locked.
*ok. the actual hardware of wildfire has screen resol., 320 x 240, and no locked feature here. this explains great.
*and regarding that app LCD DENSITY CHANGER , i dont actually need it. because i feel that the screen clarity is much better (excluding the resolution issue here). watching videos, browsing and other things are really nice. i just thought of the resolution issue just because to improve the video recording which is not possible as i believe for now.
yes i will search the camera related things on xda.
so, here we know that, "when compared to other 5 MP camera phones wildfire has one of the lowest grade camera".
so, sticking to the rules, i quit the discussion.
EDIT: i cannot use that lcd density changer app now even if im willing to. because im on official froyo and it is a root only app. would try that and check after getting rooted.
Is it really noticable on a phone? I mean.... Would I see much difference in a 4k phone panel compared to a full HD+ panel?
Also, how much more battery would it drain and how about the games I play? Will there frame rate take a hit because of the resolution?
4k replay
I work on a 1440p monitor even though I shoot everything in 4k. I will def. upgrade to a 4k monitor in the future. To see the full potential of your footage it's really necessary I think. But while editing, why do you need 4k if you create low res media/proxy of your footage anyway?
anissaj said:
I work on a 1440p monitor even though I shoot everything in 4k. I will def. upgrade to a 4k monitor in the future. To see the full potential of your footage it's really necessary I think. But while editing, why do you need 4k if you create low res media/proxy of your footage anyway?
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Thanks for your opinion, but what I meant was how's been the previous xz premium phones for regular day usage. Example, playing games, watching Netflix, YouTube or just even browsing the web.
Of course if you want to make professional videos, you won't do them on a phone.
4k display especially the battery impact(how is it)?
still_living said:
Thanks for your opinion, but what I meant was how's been the previous xz premium phones for regular day usage. Example, playing games, watching Netflix, YouTube or just even browsing the web.
Of course if you want to make professional videos, you won't do them on a phone.
4k display especially the battery impact(how is it)?
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I began to hear in reviews that it is not 4k all the time, just like in the Z5 premium and the XZ premium.
In that configuration those phones had good battery.
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EMJI79 said:
I began to hear in reviews that it is not 4k all the time, just like in the Z5 premium and the XZ premium.
In that configuration those phones had good battery.
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I received my XZ2P last week. The display is not 4k all the time, but that's not necessarilly a bad thing. It still looks great even in 1K. It goes into 4k mode when 4k content is being played.
jaytee23 said:
I received my XZ2P last week. The display is not 4k all the time, but that's not necessarilly a bad thing. It still looks great even in 1K. It goes into 4k mode when 4k content is being played.
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It even goes 4k in third party apps like Instagram, VSCO or other photography apps?
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EMJI79 said:
It even goes 4k in third party apps like Instagram, VSCO or other photography apps?
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It definitely does in the YouTube app. In YouTube, if the material is 4k, you can switch between 1k and 4k and definitely see the difference in clarity and detail. 4k HDR material looks as good as it does on my 4k HDR TV! I haven't tried the other apps you mentioned yet, but I have a feeling that 4k may only work with 4k video sources and not stills. Not sure though.
jaytee23 said:
It definitely does in the YouTube app. In YouTube, if the material is 4k, you can switch between 1k and 4k and definitely see the difference in clarity and detail. 4k HDR material looks as good as it does on my 4k HDR TV! I haven't tried the other apps you mentioned yet, but I have a feeling that 4k may only work with 4k video sources and not stills. Not sure though.
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After further study, I am convinced that stills are showing up in 4K also.
One thing I will tell you, is that once you see some professional 4K HDR video on this screen, you can't unsee it. It just looks spectacular! As a person soon to enter my 6th decade, it seems impossible that I can carry this in my pocket.
You can force 4K using CMD on Windows with "wm size XresolutionxXresolution" (use lowercase X between the numbers not*or×)
Anyway issue is after doing 4K the digitiser scales down as it's still 1080p so you loose functionality of 75% of the screen if anyone knows the proper wm command to enter on Fastboot to restore the digitiser across the screen please add it here, I'm experiencing said scaling issue on official Android 10 build,
Unsure if there's other builds which fix this, but I don't know enough about those builds to risk loosing the noise canceling, X-Reality, AUBE camera fusion & other functionality as I understand usually happens with an unlocked bootloader
I use mine with one of those VR glasses, it certainly makes a huge difference compared to the other screens, I use it to watch 4k movies.
wolfy_au said:
I use mine with one of those VR glasses, it certainly makes a huge difference compared to the other screens, I use it to watch 4k movies.
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I also got gifted with one of those VR housings, but my question is how did you get the digitiser to work in forced 4K, after I do the CMD Shell stuff to n force 4K 'cause by default it isn't full 4K my touch inputs only work on a ¼ scale of the the screen, advice would be appreciated for the XZ2 Premium
OJKLLC said:
I also got gifted with one of those VR housings, but my question is how did you get the digitiser to work in forced 4K, after I do the CMD Shell stuff to n force 4K 'cause by default it isn't full 4K my touch inputs only work on a ¼ scale of the the screen, advice would be appreciated for the XZ2 Premium
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MIne is a very cheap and basic Google cardboard VRG Pro, I use the VRTV Free app to watch movies, all the control were done by head movement on screen. I use the shinecon V4 QR code instead of the VGR Pro QR code to set up the viewer in the Google cardboard app, it gave me a better screen size control.
Without doing anything, I did a comparesion of a same movie on 1080P and 2160P, the difference was obvious.
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wolfy_au said:
MIne is a very cheap and basic Google cardboard VRG Pro, I use the VRTV Free app to watch movies, all the control were done by head movement on screen. I use the shinecon V4 QR code instead of the VGR Pro QR code to set up the viewer in the Google cardboard app, it gave me a better screen size control.
Without doing anything, I did a comparesion of a same movie on 1080P and 2160P, the difference was obvious.View attachment 5447623
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Was this done with the Sony Xperia XZ2 Premium.? My issue is for native 4K output I have to run shell commands as a developer with the phone connected to my PC for debugging. So I've been able to verify that by default without developer mods that the upscaled Google Cardboard 1080p has better sub pixel resolution on my phone then my brother's S21 Ultra but the rendered image is lower resolution because Cardboard doesn't take advantage of my 4K display,
But like I said I can plug my phone to PC, run the force 4K command unplug and have my phone running everything in 4K all the time & not just limited n list of apps like YouTube or gallery, so the issue is that when using the phone for other apps, which do now render in 4K with the command, the issue then becomes only the top-left corner of the digitiser registers touches, meaning it makes the interface unusable, so I end up having to reset to standard 1080p upscaled mode with select times where 4K actually kicks in, unfortunately it won't work for VR or most apps, how do I get around making the digitiser work all over while in forced 4K command so I don't have to default to the upscaled 1080p experience
OJKLLC said:
Was this done with the Sony Xperia XZ2 Premium.? My issue is for native 4K output I have to run shell commands as a developer with the phone connected to my PC for debugging. So I've been able to verify that by default without developer mods that the upscaled Google Cardboard 1080p has better sub pixel resolution on my phone then my brother's S21 Ultra but the rendered image is lower resolution because Cardboard doesn't take advantage of my 4K display,
But like I said I can plug my phone to PC, run the force 4K command unplug and have my phone running everything in 4K all the time & not just limited n list of apps like YouTube or gallery, so the issue is that when using the phone for other apps, which do now render in 4K with the command, the issue then becomes only the top-left corner of the digitiser registers touches, meaning it makes the interface unusable, so I end up having to reset to standard 1080p upscaled mode with select times where 4K actually kicks in, unfortunately it won't work for VR or most apps, how do I get around making the digitiser work all over while in forced 4K command so I don't have to default to the upscaled 1080p experience
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yes, I use the Xperia XZ2 Premium, that'swhy I am on this forum.
Sorry I don't do any of the complicated stuff you were doing, I don't even know what they are, all I did was purchase the phone, purchase the VR cardboard glasss, install cardboard app and VRTV Free app, download and setup viewer QR code, watch the movies.
I did run a comparesion of a 1080p movie on a non 4k phone (with 400ppi) with the same VR glass, it was unwatchable.
wolfy_au said:
yes, I use the Xperia XZ2 Premium, that'swhy I am on this forum.
Sorry I don't do any of the complicated stuff you were doing, I don't even know what they are, all I did was purchase the phone, purchase the VR cardboard glasss, install cardboard app and VRTV Free app, download and setup viewer QR code, watch the movies.
I did run a comparesion of a 1080p movie on a non 4k phone (with 400ppi) with the same VR glass, it was unwatchable.
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I think I understand, one of two things is happening 1-& I hope this is true) the VRTV app might be actually defaulting to a 4K presentation or-2) the sup pixel rendering on the XZ2P might simply be superior at VR regardless of resolution, since in my experience even though the Galaxy S21 Ultra renders higher resolution the screen door effect is notably worse, not to mention it ghosts like a MoFo, maybe I'll try to download your same app, I don't know about the QR stuff but will attempt to replicate your experience to understand how the app is utilizing the 4K display because most apps are rendered at ¼ scale, thanks, where can I get the QR you are using
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I think I understand, one of two things is happening 1-& I hope this is true) the VRTV app might be actually defaulting to a 4K presentation or-2) the sup pixel rendering on the XZ2P might simply be superior at VR regardless of resolution, since in my experience even though the Galaxy S21 Ultra renders higher resolution the screen door effect is notably worse, not to mention it ghosts like a MoFo, maybe I'll try to download your same app, I don't know about the QR stuff but will attempt to replicate your experience to understand how the app is utilizing the 4K display because most apps are rendered at ¼ scale, thanks, where can I get the QR you are using
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first install the google cardboard app, then the VRTV Free app, after that, open the google cardboard app, in here setup the viewer by scanning the QR code.
I chose the Shinecon V4 for better size control, depends on what brand your VR glass is, they normally include the code either on the instruction manual, or on their website, or you can google the code base on your VR model.
OJKLLC said:
I think I understand, one of two things is happening 1-& I hope this is true) the VRTV app might be actually defaulting to a 4K presentation or-2) the sup pixel rendering on the XZ2P might simply be superior at VR regardless of resolution, since in my experience even though the Galaxy S21 Ultra renders higher resolution the screen door effect is notably worse, not to mention it ghosts like a MoFo, maybe I'll try to download your same app, I don't know about the QR stuff but will attempt to replicate your experience to understand how the app is utilizing the 4K display because most apps are rendered at ¼ scale, thanks, where can I get the QR you are using
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VR Headset QR Codes – Hypergrid Business
www.hypergridbusiness.com
a website that has many QR code,but may not have everything.
wolfy_au said:
yes, I use the Xperia XZ2 Premium, that'swhy I am on this forum.
Sorry I don't do any of the complicated stuff you were doing, I don't even know what they are, all I did was purchase the phone, purchase the VR cardboard glasss, install cardboard app and VRTV Free app, download and setup viewer QR code, watch the movies.
I did run a comparesion of a 1080p movie on a non 4k phone (with 400ppi) with the same VR glass, it was unwatchable.
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I think I understand, one of two things is happening 1-& I hope this is true) the VRTV app might be actually defaulting to a 4K presentation or-2) the sup pixel rendering on the XZ2P might simply be superior at VR regardless of resolution, since in my experience even though the Galaxy S21 Ultra renders higher resolution the screen door effect is notably worse, not to mention it ghosts like a MoFo, maybe I'll try to download your same app, I don't know about the QR stuff but will attempt to replicate your experience to understand how the app is utilizing the 4K display because most apps are rendered at ¼ scale, thanks, where can I get the QR you are
wolfy_au said:
first install the google cardboard app, then the VRTV Free app, after that, open the google cardboard app, in here setup the viewer by scanning the QR code.
I chose the Shinecon V4 for better size control, depends on what brand your VR glass is, they normally include the code either on the instruction manual, or on their website, or you can google the code base on your VR model.
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I have Sharper Image, not sure if it's good or not, my Bro's friend left is when he went to vagus, I don't have any VR content yet, but I'll print out that QR stuff an' see how things go, thanks