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I guess this is one for Vijay, but I'm getting confused as to the situtation with regard to buttons when the clam is shut.
I know there is a bit of overlap with the Torch utility here, but I'd really like the VoiceDial button to work while the clam is shut (plus, I think the upcoming Torch utility would be most useful if it worked while the clam was shut).
What's the current state of play with regard to getting these buttons to work while the clam is shut?
Cheers,
Steve.
StevePritchard: this could go in the old thread really, but you're right, there is an overlap with the torch app (I've settled on "VJCandela"). I did a bit of R&D from the viewpoint of enabling keys generally for both the torch app and VC. I will seek to release VJCandela prior to a full fix and update should a solution be found.
I know it can be done. Let's say this: I've had a very successful negative finding that indicates a possible way to go. I'm seeking an opinion from the Oracle (Buzz) and will then continue with this, probably around the weekend.
V
That's interesting news. Do you think there will be any "issues" with the technique you are investigating, i.e. are you fooling it to think that the clam is open so the screen stays on and reduces battery life?
Cheers,
Steve.
I think it's more like fooling the device into it's thinking its in PDA mode, I use my Exec screen out all the time, and pressing the camera button, or phone buttons wakes the device up no problem, no need to use the power button and the battery life seems to last no problem at all.
I have "turn off device" on batteries after 3 mins
I have even thought about opening it up to find the system it uses to detect screen in as opposed to screen out and seeing if I could disble it mechanically
Regards
gooroo: it's not merely a hardware mechanism. I can already disable detection of the clam closing, to a degree (ie I can't enable external keys yet), as Steve knows. He's used VJElectrify which incorporates VJClamHack (Steve - I've made a better version of this, no reboot required, but not for release until I can do something with it).
However, if the next hack can be pulled off, which is all software based, then it open up interesting possiblities... certainly the perfect clam hack (with full external key access with clam closed) would be possible. But, and it's a but bigger then this one, it depends on a fundamental piece of information/technique I've yet to work through with help from the real brains behind this operation...
V
I know some people wanted to increase the keyboard backlight time. In case this hasnt been posted already, mad monkey has a cab for it:
http://www.dweiniger.com/tips/k-jam.shtml
No i have not seen this posted. tried on my qtek did not work - does it work on your device. i have seen a hack for the universal not wizard
cheers
nope this don't work on the T-Mobile MDA (US model)
Is it supposed to be a DWORD value? Anyone has gotten this to work?
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Is it supposed to be a DWORD value? Anyone has gotten this to work?
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No joy here
didnt work either on 2.8
nope - doesn't work
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=38314
You would think someone at HTC would know how to do it. Do any of those guys/girls post on this forum?
not that I've ever seen - not on any of the official retailer sites either. good luck
p.s. the question might not be 'how to do it' but 'can it be done'
yeah, I'm beginning to believe that the whole thing is completely implemented with hardware: a keypress starts a LED "On" timer. This is also why the kbd doesn't illuminate when it gets extended. Even though WM senses this and flips to landscape, it has no control over the backlight: It takes a keypress to start the timer circuit that illuminates the backlight you see.
bummer.
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This is also why the kbd doesn't illuminate when it gets extended. Even though WM senses this and flips to landscape, it has no control over the backlight: It takes a keypress to start the timer circuit that illuminates the backlight you see.
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Working under the assumption that it is indeed in-hardware, there would've been nothing to prevent the engineers from making the magnetic switch enable the backlight, too
Working under the assumption that it's purely software, there should be nothing to prevent WM5 from doing this... other than that nobody has coded it to do so
Working under the assumption that it's hardcoded in the driver, somebody would have to hack the driver to extend the backlight; adding functionality to turn the backlight on would be a bit more difficult.
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Working under the assumption that it is indeed in-hardware, there would've been nothing to prevent the engineers from making the magnetic switch enable the backlight, too
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I'll give you "glass half full" on that one :wink:.
However.... the magnetic switch would be more difficult to implement than a simple key press which also resets a timer circuit. You'd have to tie that additional input into a circuit that could be hard-wired with the keyboard itself.
there's my "glass half empty" viewpoint.... I've just got a bad feeling on this one..... sorry.
I guess I'm going to have to take a closer look at some of the disassembled wizard pictures to make up my mind on this.
I sure hope a way is found to fix this as well as control those other blinking leds.....
well the point was, basically, there already -is- a magnetic switch. It's used to signal the OS that the keyboard has extended, and allow it to react on that; the chosen reaction being that the screen orientation is changed.
There would be nothing whatsoever stopping the engineers who actually put the thing together (not talking about somebody taking it apart and tinkering in there and whatnot) to have hooked that up to the backlight control /if/ that is in hardware %)
And if it's in software, then nothing would have technically stopped the software developers from making the keyboard slide-out trigger the backlight that way; assuming they already do as much on keypresses.
exactly. But the kbd does't light up when you extend it you see.... This behavior shoud be obvious
ok weird doesnt even put this into perspective ... i edited that value and softreset my phone. backlight timeout is still 5 seconds and now my bottom ( previously skinned) bar has gone back to default colours ... tried removing the value and resetting again had no effect either ... lovely hack this is now i can try and figure out why the hell this just happened ... running newest official qtek rom only for info
I think this is one of the largest downsides to this device. When I pull the keyboard out the lights should come on AND it should be longer then 5 seconds. It would also be nice if it had a light sensor (like on the SMT5600) to know if the light SHOULD come on or not.
If someone (or HTC) would fix this it would be awesome.
oh, they'll fix it - for their next device models The Universal already works that way, and you can tweak the backlight time. I'm sure by now they've gotten all the feedback they need to decide that that is better than the fixed behavior of the Wizard (not sure who at HTC ever figured that would be a good idea to begin with).
Is it correct that the 3G doesn't have any hardware buttons, except for the D-pad and the phone buttons ?
My HTC Prophet has 5 buttons to which I have mapped (AEButton+) a lot of handy features. I think I would really miss them...
Please share your experiences...
Also I was wondering: does it have the same magnetic stylus as the Diamond ?
I've migrated from a Trinity which has lots of hardware buttons and yep I'm missing them. I don't like manilla/touchflow that much either; but I'm getting used to it.
Overall for me the better specs and the form factor of the 3G/Jade make it worth the learning curve. I've only had it for a couple of days and already the lack of extra buttons is starting to bug me less and less.
Hope thats some help
I´ve had my magician for ages now, and it was time to move on.
Bought the jade, and at first, i missed the buttons. No camera button, no contacts or calendar.
2 days using it, and now i don't miss them that much. Had to configure the answer button to access the contacts, by holding it a bit longer.
Still getting used to the touch flow software, but at first, it looks like a great little phone.
I have a Hermes before. At beginning I missed the buttons. But now I don't miss the buttons. The Jade is so small, light and beautifull.
Only the Softkay is missing, where is under the backcover.
Pro's:
- screen (size, sensitivity, resolution)
- fast processor + huge storage memory
- Youtube playback (only use WiFi). Very good quality, only few occasional frame rate issues
- very good phone quality (audio)
- can mostly be operated by finger, although sometimes you do need the stylus. To me that's no problem.
- format (seems big, but fits perfectly it in your jeans' pocket)
So/so:
- Opera. At times I like it, other times I don't. Maybe I just need to get used to it...
- HTC keyboard. It works, but could be improved.
- Camera is OK, but not spectacular.
- no D-pad, although I have barely missed it so far
Cons:
- Soft reset button is behind back cover. Haven't had the need to use it yet but I am afraid this may become annoying
- LED in On/off button looks stylish, but now I have to look closely on top of my device, rather than to get a quick glance from a distance to see if I missed any phone calls or messages
- Device isn't entirely 'flat on the back' because of camera, which causes some instability while operating it lying on a table
- Virtual buttons; didn't find a way yet to assign different functions
- Not all software works (eg. HiCalc). But this will only be a matter of time
Haven't tested yet:
- movie playback
- MP3 playback
- GPS
Conclusion: so far I am pretty happy with the HD. Ofcourse it could be improved. But that counts for all devices out there...
Hah... This is EXACTLY how I view the HD... nice sum-up Apart from Opera, I do like it, even when it's a little sluggish at times, but mainly because it's on the HD i like it, the huge screen makes most of the difference.
For the keyboard I use TouchPal. Google it. Love it.
The camera is GOOD in good lighting conditions but VERY VERY bad in poor lighting, so yeah, so-so average.
Oh, I regard Audio playback as so-so, video playback as PRO despite what a lot of other people think (so-so). My movies play like a breeze and it's all super sharp thanks to the screen (use CorePlayer).
GPS is also a PRO... I used to own the Diamond (which also did an OK job at it) and I don't know what they improved but they did, I easily get 8-12 or even more connections in Google Maps almost instantly. No inherent GPS lag anymore either. I confirmed it was there on my diamond and confirmed it wasn't there anymore on the HD. Except in Google Maps, there is a slight delay, but that has been commonly agreed upon as an issue in GM and not in the HD.
For the soft reset.....
You can either just power down the device (press and hold power button) and then power back on. It's the same as a soft reset.
or...
I use PHM power toys (they are free) and once installed you get a soft reset program icon. Stick that in the program section of touchflo and no need to take the back off
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You can either just power down the device (press and hold power button) and then power back on. It's the same as a soft reset.
or...
I use PHM power toys (they are free) and once installed you get a soft reset program icon. Stick that in the program section of touchflo and no need to take the back off
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Er... if the phone freezes, then the power button doesn't work - so you need to hit the soft reset button.
I'd like to be able to turn off/change the function of the volume buttons - too easy to accidently press them - and they are very sensitive. When you want to change the volume they seem very nice, tactile and smooth, but they're just too sensitive when you don't...
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You can either just power down the device (press and hold power button) and then power back on. It's the same as a soft reset.
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I'm the guy who sand-papered the faceted back of his diamond, so for me - drilling a small hole in the back cover to uncover the soft reset button would also be an option.
Thats a good point monkeyboy....
....I'll get me coat
I have used the GPS with TomTom 7 and works like a dream.
Tip: Use Quick GPS to download data first - last for 6 days.
I migrated from Trinity to this phone and have never looked back apart
from the camera - is there a way to stop the 3 second delay and take instant photos without autofocus on -perhaps a reg hack?
Hawk
I have used the GPS with TomTom 7 and works like a dream.
Tip: Use Quick GPS to download data first - last for 6 days.
I migrated from Trinity to this phone and have never looked back apart
from the camera - is there a way to stop the 3 second delay and take instant photos without autofocus on -perhaps a reg hack?
Hawk
thats the funny lol
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I'm the guy who sand-papered the faceted back of his diamond, so for me - drilling a small hole in the back cover to uncover the soft reset button would also be an option.
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i cant believ you would actualy do that mate thats realy funny but if you did that wont that cause dust to go into your device and cause damage and how would you sell it of
Hah I still can't believe you sandpaper the back of the Diamond roflmao
But of course he takes the cover off before drilling a hole into it, makes sense don't it
well I am on day two .. its an up and down relationship. One thing doesn't work .. find a how to sort it .. another thing comes up. I wouldn't say that is a phone for the masses.
Day 2 for me and so far:
Pros:
The screen is amazing for ebook reading. Much bigger, clearer & sharper than my Prophet.
I didn't actually realise there was a radio, but it works really well.
The Teeter game is amusing and fun to show off with.
The GPS is very accurate and, because I walk/get the bus, it doesn't need huge amounts of maps, so data's not too bad.
Cons:
TouchFLO has gone. It was too slow for me (no nice run-finger-along-to-scroll)...
No D-pad meant I had to rebind the volume keys to up/down - they work fine now.
The Opera browser doesn't always register my clicks on the links.
I'm very happy with it so far. It does everything I need (which is simple - phone, ebooks, music player!) and does it well with extras. Husband doesn't like it because he likes physical keyboards, but hey!
Xarra said:
... Husband doesn't like it because he likes physical keyboards, but hey!
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Take it that goes under the 'Pros' heading then
Day 3 for me too, so I thought I'd share
Pros
blimey - where to start?!
This is my first WM device (see Cons), so pretty much everything is a bonus - but stand out moments have been:
YouTube on the move - I'm not a huge YouTube fan (or at least I wasn't), but I can now while away my time whilst taking a coffee / fag break from work. Beats picking up a book and reading 3 pages before having to put it down.
GoogleMaps. No huge use for me as satnav (got that built into the car), but lots of fun already showing it off to mates LOL
Lots of techy tweaking to be done (yes, I am a Geek at heart...)
Onbviously at lots of this is down to the size and quality of the screen - the main reason that this is my first WM device was being put off by trying to browse etc on a screen the size of a large stamp - the HD size (for me) is about the best compromise - big enough to read, small enough to fit in the pocket.
Cons
becuase it is my first WM device, I'm still trying to desperately get my head around it all!
Getting there though
Congrats on your HD!
Half my friends group has the iPhone, the rest, well, something else. Then I got my HD and lots of them ordered it too, so now it's 4 HD's My father and brother both got the Diamond, and at work many of my colleagues have some version of HTC phone ranging from the TyTNII to the Touch Pro... These things pop up everywhere...
So I bought this phone 2 days ago and it was working fine. But it quickly lost its "wow" factor after about 5 hours. I hadn't even installed any softwares on it other than what the dealer put into it, and in less than 24 hours I am already getting pissed at HTC. Oh yes, the phone is great and all, but HTC sucks at making phones.
1) Word completion was working fine in keyboard mode, but after switching to other HTC inputs and then back to keyboard, word completion with keyboard is now DEAD. Not even after a soft restart fixed it.
2) No light to indicate Bluetooth/Wifi switched on
3) No blinking light to indicate phone is running
4) Start menu doesn't have the "Click" sound
5) I can't assign the god damned GPS and footprint button to do something else, what a piece of crap!
6) TouchFLO isn't smart enough to detect if I want to select multiple objects, or if I want to scroll!
7) No option to do a software soft reset
8) Need to open the back cover to do a reset
9) Menu text IS WAY TOO BIG, HTC you blind idiots!
10) The system doesn't come out from standby when I receive an SMS, meaning I have to press the fragile power button to read it.
11) I can't uninstall TouchFLO or any of the other stupid HTC softwares.
12) Manuals were unhelpful.
I already feel like flashing the damn ROM from this phone, get rid of all that stupid HTC crap. Don't get me wrong, the phone looks sleek, display is nice, response is faster than most other Dopod/HTC crap phones, the scroll button is kool, camera quality is good, but it's just so damn annoying. I'm probably going to just give it to my girlfriend, whoever she will be. My Atom Exec still rocks.
Overall rating for this phone: 5.5/10
Apparently the word completion bug seems to be HTC wanting to replace the WM dict with eT9
If anyone has a way of fixing the word completion bug, and the GPS/footprint button assignments, I will be very much obliged.
UranusHertz said:
So I bought this phone 2 days ago and it was working fine. But it quickly lost its "wow" factor after about 5 hours. I hadn't even installed any softwares on it other than what the dealer put into it, and in less than 24 hours I am already getting pissed at HTC. Oh yes, the phone is great and all, but HTC sucks at making phones.
1) Word completion was working fine in keyboard mode, but after switching to other HTC inputs and then back to keyboard, word completion with keyboard is now DEAD. Not even after a soft restart fixed it.
2) No light to indicate Bluetooth/Wifi switched on
3) No blinking light to indicate phone is running
4) Start menu doesn't have the "Click" sound
5) I can't assign the god damned GPS and footprint button to do something else, what a piece of crap!
6) TouchFLO isn't smart enough to detect if I want to select multiple objects, or if I want to scroll!
7) No option to do a software soft reset
8) Need to open the back cover to do a reset
9) Menu text IS WAY TOO BIG, HTC you blind idiots!
10) The system doesn't come out from standby when I receive an SMS, meaning I have to press the fragile power button to read it.
11) I can't uninstall TouchFLO or any of the other stupid HTC softwares.
12) Manuals were unhelpful.
I already feel like flashing the damn ROM from this phone, get rid of all that stupid HTC crap. Don't get me wrong, the phone looks sleek, display is nice, response is faster than most other Dopod/HTC crap phones, the scroll button is kool, camera quality is good, but it's just so damn annoying. I'm probably going to just give it to my girlfriend, whoever she will be. My Atom Exec still rocks.
Overall rating for this phone: 5.5/10
Apparently the word completion bug seems to be HTC wanting to replace the WM dict with eT9
If anyone has a way of fixing the word completion bug, and the GPS/footprint button assignments, I will be very much obliged.
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Go and by Nokia phone then...
UranusHertz said:
7) No option to do a software soft reset
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Hold the power button pressed.
UranusHertz said:
9) Menu text IS WAY TOO BIG, HTC you blind idiots!
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You can change the font size, you know?
RE 10) and your device not waking up when you get an SMS. Go to Start, Settings, Sounds & Notifications, then click on the Notifications tab. Tap on the dropdown box next to 'Event', find and select 'Messaging: New SMS', then tick 'Display Message on screen' and hit OK : )
I do agree with most of the complaint. I am very very disappointed with this Cruise 2. I thought it is a smaller size version of the Cruise 1 (Polaris) except faster and more memories. But it is NOT! It has less buttons than Cruise and two of damn buttons are just useless. HTC sucks!
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RE 10) and your device not waking up when you get an SMS. Go to Start, Settings, Sounds & Notifications, then click on the Notifications tab. Tap on the dropdown box next to 'Event', find and select 'Messaging: New SMS', then tick 'Display Message on screen' and hit OK : )
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I tried that option, it doesn't work
As a side note, I thought there was no blue LED to indicate Wifi/Bluetooth status, but last night, I saw a brief flash of blue, and then it never happened again. So there's definitely a blue LED there, but it's not used for Wifi/Bluetooth for some reason.
Anyone wanna trade phones with me?
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I tried that option, it doesn't work
As a side note, I thought there was no blue LED to indicate Wifi/Bluetooth status, but last night, I saw a brief flash of blue, and then it never happened again. So there's definitely a blue LED there, but it's not used for Wifi/Bluetooth for some reason.
Anyone wanna trade phones with me?
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Unless you want to get an older generation phone!
I also have HTC Touch 3G, it also have same annoyances.
First generation HTC phones has infrared, many buttons and LED's, Flash LED(s) for camera. Separate earplugs and power sockets. Metal bodies.
Then:
They took away the infrared, no more camera Flash light.
They cut the number of buttons.
They cut the LED's. Cut all the metal parts except the screws and printed circuit board contacts and copper traces, USB connector case.
They do make the phone smaller, lighter, more functions and more memories.
BTW, HTC have replaced the metal hook for phone string to plastic hook and smaller metal logo plate from Touch 3G to Touch Cruise(09).
I think the next version phone is going to be glassless and metal-less. Case will be just snap-on. The metal logo plate will be just a print on case or a paper sticker. They might attempt to use plastic USB connector. If anything has shorter lifetime, that means they will have better business. That might lead them to put a small timed self-destructive device just beyond the warranty period in the machine. They would love to cut the warranty time from a year to 3 months or better, 30 days. The new Sony laptops already ask customer to pay extra to extend the warranty period from 3 months to a year.
People want green earth but also want everything disposable! What gives?
I thought I'm the only one who's facing the problem of the blue led indicator.
What blue led indicator? There is no blue led indicator afaik...
Or do you mean the "lack of" blue led indicator?
By the way, you resurected a 8 month old thread!
Uranus, with everything you say about the HTC Iolite, I throw it out the window
Incidentally, my Iolite works perfectly and the problem of the dictionary (in Spanish) does not exist.
Regards!!!
I don't think uranus is still around here, his last post on the forum was in april 09... Again this thread is from that timeframe...
Great clarification!!!!
With some time and effort most of these annoyances can be solved or tweaked.....various good ROM's (Billabong) and many many software/tweaks around.....
What I do agree is that Polaris was more robust....but Iolite is better overall.....
In the end you can not produce a phone at reasonable price every-body is happy with.....
FC
i do truly miss a led that indicates that the phone is on
Will this help? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371278
FC
Update:
Hi fellas,
After over a year, I finally decided to ditch this P.o.S. to my roomie. Things I've managed to fix:
1) Word completion, via a registry tweak in \HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Layouts\e0010409\
Ime File=\windows\compime.dll
Layout Text =COMP IME
(I am still using this solution today for my HD2 which I flashed on the same day I bought it, I can't stand that HTC interface I got all annoyed at it after 5 minutes LOL)
2 & 3) nueLED is cool, but doesn't work
4) Start menu still doesn't have the "Click" sound
5) I still can't assign the GPS and footprint button to do something else
6) TouchFLO have to be "compromised" with smarter apps.
7) Need to use 3rd party app to do software reset
9) Managed to modify the popup menu text. Still, come on...
\HKLM\System\GWE\Menu\Popup
10) The system still doesn't wake up on sms despite changing the registry key which enables wake up on SMS.
I'm MUCH more happy with S200 in contrast, only problem is the weak vibration.