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HTC Universal also supports fast Wi-Fi (802.11g)

Just saw this over at msmobile.com http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4853.html Is it true???

It doesnt work in my jasjar

didnt think it would......

Its ROM dependent if i am not mistaken.
UD.

Dont tempt the devol on that one: 802.11G on the Universal
universaldoc said:
Its ROM dependent if i am not mistaken.
UD.
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Hello everybody; For your information, i tried everything discussed in the forums to unlock 802.11G on the Universal (V1640 flashed to qtek 9000 french release), from altering manually the registry and clicking on the avaiable cabs whithout any success.
But i almost lost connection between my UNIVERSAL with my 108Mb netgear router in the process and could'nt revert back WITHOUT hardresetting the universal and reinstalling it from scratch.
So my advice would be to await lore precise info on that "may be embedded" feature without attempting anything in the meantime as your bound to loose some of the features of the universal.
Brgds, Arnaud

It worked on my JasJar, although at first it didn't want to reconnect. I'm not that it's any faster, but I think I'll leave it set this way.
**Can't get it to work after setting my wifi back to mixed and then back to G only, so maybe I was hallucinating previously. Sorry**

It doesn't work. I even tried it myself! I was sitting here switching my router from B&G to G-only and it would only connect when in B&G mode...

Why would they design hardware that could cope with 802.11b and g and then cripple the faster speed through software?
Surely this must be a hardware limitation that we'll never overcome? :?:
Unless maybe it's to preserve battery life. Would the g protocol require more battery than the b protocol?

If you check the chipset datasheet for the wlan you see that there isn't support for G. This is just a hoax.

End of hoax
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If you check the chipset datasheet for the wlan you see that there isn't support for G. This is just a hoax.
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Hum, this certainly makes sense and seems a final and reliable statement;
Adhoc (Arnaud)

Didn't work for me.

Didn't work also on my Dopod 900.

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ncruz said:
If you check the chipset datasheet for the wlan you see that there isn't support for G. This is just a hoax.
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Hum, this certainly makes sense and seems a final and reliable statement;
Adhoc (Arnaud)
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The link is on the wiki, on the hardware part...

May have worked
I could not find the device under the same registry string as documented.
Found my wireless under tiacxwln1, suggesting the listed fix may relate to newer models may have a newer wlan card. My unit is a T-mobile MDA pro given to me around November.
Amended the registy settings and connected to a 54g router.
Did seem faster and have discovered more networks at my office today.
Still to establish if it is 54G or not.
On another note looks like T-mobile uk may be readying a rom upgrade, lots of activity on their ftp site last week. Half of the URL's I use to have to official upgrades and firmware for T-mobile uk devices dont work anymore.

It's got me thinking about this whole thing.
WHAT IF you could "rewrite" the radio stack, much like Linksys has provided the source code so that avid developers and Linux lovers could mess around with it?
Could we possibly enable EDGE capability? Could we retune to get 850 instead of 900 MHz?
Since the radio stack can obviously be changed regardless of the CE ROM, it may not be tied too directly to jump points in memory (unless the developers are following a fixed structure on how to build the stack).
I'm thinking back in the days when latter 33.6k modems were flash-upgradable to 56k with that K56Flex/X2 fiasco back then...
If the hardware is there and is primarily software-controlled, it just takes the right reprogramming to get it right.
Anyone on the same page as me?

BeyondtheTech said:
Since the radio stack can obviously be changed regardless of the CE ROM, it may not be tied too directly to jump points in memory (unless the developers are following a fixed structure on how to build the stack).
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What you call a "radio stack" is usually a realtime unix
operating system, running on a separate computer with its own CPU/RAM/ROM/IO/etc.
It is relatively easy to replace wince with Linux on the "general purpose" part of the phone.
Dealing with the GSM part is much more difficult for various reasons.

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Just saw this over at msmobile.com http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4853.html Is it true???
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Universal uses the same TI ACX100 wlan chipset as the Blueangel, ipaq hx4700, and many others.
It supports only the 11Mb speed.

cr2 said:
ratcom said:
Just saw this over at msmobile.com http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4853.html Is it true???
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Universal uses the same TI ACX100 wlan chipset as the Blueangel, ipaq hx4700, and many others.
It supports only the 11Mb speed.
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Then Universal chipset is different from Wizard chipset...:?:
I tried DJVW WLAN 302.11g Activator, suggested in Wizard forum, with my 9000 but i get CapNotify error on startup :?

cr2 said:
ratcom said:
Just saw this over at msmobile.com http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4853.html Is it true???
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Universal uses the same TI ACX100 wlan chipset as the Blueangel, ipaq hx4700, and many others.
It supports only the 11Mb speed.
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Is there a pin compatible 802.11G chip out there? If upgrading surface mount RAM in these things is possible, why not radio chips?

Tryed it, been there.
DOES NOT WORK FOR ME
(testing was done by setting my Router to G only mode the MDA PRO would not connect)

Universal with HSDPA?

Thinking on getting an MDA pro with T-Mobile in the UK with the walk n web unlimited internet, only catch is that it is UMTS. With the news that T-Mobile are upgrading the network to HSDPA wondering if there is a HSDPA universal due to be released anytime soon? If not, the other option is to wait for the Hermes in June.

The UMTS Notebook Cards can be upgrade to HSDPA with a new firmware, but i think the Universal haven't the necesary hardware for that. Wait for the Hermes...

Forgive the ignorance but what exactly is HSDPA?

thegadgetman said:
Forgive the ignorance but what exactly is HSDPA?
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a quick web search would have brought a result...
anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsdpa

lutzs said:
The UMTS Notebook Cards can be upgrade to HSDPA with a new firmware, but i think the Universal haven't the necesary hardware for that. Wait for the Hermes...
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Thanks lutzs, only prob I have with the hermes is the small screen 320x240.. the small screen is big minus Im not looking to use it as a phone, but more for PDA and internet access... also plan to use it as a gateway (over bluetooth) for my mac to get to the net... thought about the pcmcia card, but need to lug laptop everywhere for that, whereas the pda itself is much more portable...
i think the tradeoff of speed over the usablility (screen, keyboard etc) might just be worth it for my needs...
another question, has anyone used t-mobile uk's web n walk with the above scenario of using it as a bridge for internet access for a laptop? the small print says that you can't do that blah blah... but don't see how that can tell if you're browsing through the pda or your computer? http is http...?

haven't used tmobile, but the universal can be used as a modem. Via bluetooth should be fine (*99# etc.)
HSDPA is not part of the universal chipset. however I wouldn't get too excited. Mobile cells have to share bandwidth so the chance of anything fast is unlikely. Put it this way, by the time we actually get 384k sustained on any 3G network, that should be fine for web & email & online games.
I had an o2 xda mini s. but i gave it back. 320x240 is very limtied, adding that to the dismal 196 mhz omap was not usable.

Question about GPS

I don't own this phone, but was considering switching from Cingular's GSM network to Sprint's CDMA so that I can use high speed EV-DO, since I have no idea when Cingular's UMTS or HSDPA upgrade will happen.
Anywho... getting back on track to my question. It says that this phone has a GPS chip, which is used for E-911 location. Can this chip be used by navigation software, such as TomTom? Or is it only utilized when you dial 911?
I currently have the HTC Beetles (HP iPAQ 6515b) and it has a built-in GPS antenna that I just love, and would like to get another phone that still has this feature.

The GPS info is not available for mapping programs.

Correct.
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The GPS info is not available for mapping programs.
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At this time that information is unavailable. Please see posts at
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/ppc-6700-xv6700/73387-possible-access-gps-data-6700-a-1.html
It's nine pages as of current date. No answers yet.

HTC Hermes VS Herald

Hello.
I used to own a HTC TyTN (Hermes) for a while but I sold it because I had some problems with screen alignment and sometimes the phone was on and geting a good reception and still I couldn't be reached.
Anyway, now I would like to buy a new PDA and I am thinking about buying a new TyTN or a P4350 (Herald). What do you guys think?
- The TyTN has a Samsung 400 mhz processor and sometimes I found it a tad slow, the Herald has a 200mhz processor found on most HTC products. Will the Herald be even slower?
- I see the Herald has no dedicated buttons on top of the screen (for Outlook and Internet Explorer) but can I set a given button to launch a program? (like arrow up, down, etc..) It was not possible on the Hermes.
- In size and weight matters I think we all agree that the Herald is better.
- Connectivity: the Herald has no IrDA (which is useless to me) and no UMTS. Can I have a decent internet connection speed with EDGE or HSDPA?
- Herald doesn't have video call support but it's not that important, altought I have 120 minutes of video calls for free and I won't spend them.
- What is really important is the qwerty keypad. It's just imposible to write sms or email with the virtual keyboard. Which keypad is better? Herald's or TyTN's?
EDIT: - Macro mode on the TyTN was really great and usefull. That one will me missed if I buy a Herald.
Which one would you suggest knowing that I will use it mainly for web browsing, reading and writing emails, phone calls, listening to mp3s, etc...
Thanks a lot.

if one of your main concerns is web browsing
if you have 3G in your Area...seems like the TyTN would be the choice
as it has a UMTS/HSDPA Radio
as long as you have a way of charging it when the battery gets eaten up
the 400mhz vs 200mhz issue
yes, im sure that the 200mhz would be slower than the hermes
Keyboard-Wise
idk about the Herald...but my TyTN Keyboard has become a little unresponsive and i need to press some buttons hard sometimes
i think this is a hardware defect and im looking into it
it does require me to take mine apart...again...lol
hope this helps

Hey,
I have first an TYTN and sold them (Buy Dezember 2006): A lot of Problems and bugfixes
Then I buy an Herald: First wonderfull, but if you use many programms 200mHZ to slow. No scroll whell but ab better keyboard.
4 Weeks ago I sold them and buy again a TYTN and since then; I love it, but the keyboard from the Herald is better
----> If you ask me: I will buy an TYTN again
Regards
Oliver

Neverwork said:
if one of your main concerns is web browsing
if you have 3G in your Area...seems like the TyTN would be the choice
as it has a UMTS/HSDPA Radio
as long as you have a way of charging it when the battery gets eaten up
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Thank for your answer.
Well, I do have 3G coverage and I will use the device for web browsing and email so I think the Hermes (TyTN) would suit me better. What kind of connections does the Herald have? Here is only states that it has EDGE. How fast can that go?

For a Comparison between EDGE and HSDPA
in my area my results were:
EDGE: 156kb/s
HSDPA: 896kb/s
and HSDPA had a much lower pingtime

the herald is a lot thinner if that matters, and to my girlfriend( and myself if i needed a keyboard) a slim phone almost means more than anything. the 200mhz didn't feel slower yet, but then i'll run two programs max, and could live with the speed since the tytn didn't feel too much faster.
we're with t-mobile, so 3g wasn't important or available, but if i had it, i'm unsure that would sway me. going wifi doesn't seem all that fast either. we don't browse the web much, mostly just email and certain data-pulling programs so the 3g isn't all that to us.
but the keyboard, and all front keys, and the sliding keyboard mechanism are all so much nicer. the front keys are the best of the 6-8 htc products i've run across. similar in feel to the Jam, whereas the 8525 are the worst(notice, 8525, not htc tytn itself).
if i had to choose, it'd be the herald unless the web is a BIG need

wifi less power?

Hi guys,
is possible that the shift wifi is power-less than others notebooks?
i explain, i've a 20mb connection at home and a wi-fi zyxel router, i connect to it my shift and also my asus g1s. when i download something from internet my asus download approximately from 1,5mb to 1,8 per second. and is a good thing. If i download the same thing from shift it don't go beyond 800kb. i've never seen a download like on asus.
This have sense? don't know why.. is not a big problem, but is courios.

have same here,
At home my con.speed is 1Mbit. Slow!
At work is normal 54...
I guess it's wireless router that is the problem. (Mine USR, has more problems...)

I get this too.
I can get 17m/bit on my PC which uses a wireless card, 8-10m/bit on my daughters HP laptop and 4-5m/bit on the Shift.
You have to remeber the specification of the device can also have a bearing on the results. My Core2duo 3.6ghz, with 2gb of highly overclocked RAM, RAID0 Raptors and IP35 Motherboard, will ultimately process download speed faster than the Shift would. Plug a P2 450mhz based machine with a 8gb hard drive and 128mb RAM into a wireless network, believe me, you won't get tremendously fast downloads!!!

Performance issue here too :
Using a Netgear WNR854T and I can see the Wi-Fi connection switching constantly from 54 Mbits/s to 11 Mbits/s. Getting really low data rates...

Yep, on the Shift I'm on about half to a third of what I get on my Presario (true d/l speed vs connection speed). In fact depending on 3G performance I can get better d/l speeds that way...
I find in general wireless strength to be sub par on the Shift. My HX4700 PPC has better range and speed than the Shift. Because I use the shift to mainly just surf pages it isn't an issue...but d/l'ing large files in emails is a pain.
While we're discussing wireless on the Shift, is getting it to work under SnapVue a priority in the project? I see that and the SD card as the 2 key issues (for me anyhow)...another donation coming to help with these elements and as thanks for work to date.

my wifi works fine, seems to work better than on some other devices i have

FOOFTR said:
While we're discussing wireless on the Shift, is getting it to work under SnapVue a priority in the project? I see that and the SD card as the 2 key issues (for me anyhow)...another donation coming to help with these elements and as thanks for work to date.
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wifi isn't a priority because the driver doesn't even exist for WM6. will have to recompile CE5 one if that one is working at all.
so that'll be a big pita
also, wifi will only work if SD works.

cmonex said:
wifi isn't a priority because the driver doesn't even exist for WM6. will have to recompile CE5 one if that one is working at all.
so that'll be a big pita
also, wifi will only work if SD works.
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Thanks- SD card working would be a big bonus indeed...I got about 7 meg left on Snap Vue...and with no calendar sync'd...
I guess the only reason why I mentioned WiFi (apart from my naivety about drivers etc) was the duopoly we exist in here in NEw Zealand means 3g/HSDPA data costs are horrific. Try $40 for 200meg (yes, meg) a month! Vodafone have been known to say that New Zealand is their most profitable country on the planet (read "most ripped off"). And if fact the news today talked about our commerce commision bashing them around for lying about their cheap rates to an audit group...it p!sses me off to no end, but what am I gonna do?
Anyway's look forward to further Shift developments.

I have to review my initial comments. Last night I had very fast speeds in spite of the less than stellar reception showing for the strength...so I suspect the wireless strength shows as being less but actual impact on speed might be minimal....