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TyTN - recording phone conversations

Do you know any software for Windows Mobile 5 to recording conversations automatically ? I have 1gb card , can record over 20 hours of quite good quality conversations.
Do you know any soft which will do it automatically after I answer or call to somebody ?

Benone said:
Do you know any software for Windows Mobile 5 to recording conversations automatically ? I have 1gb card , can record over 20 hours of quite good quality conversations.
Do you know any soft which will do it automatically after I answer or call to somebody ?
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try vito audionotes

I have just looked on the Vito Technology site but on the PPC version it mentions nothing about telephone conversation recording so I am assuming it doesn't offer this feature on the PPC, just on Smartphones .. is this correct?

Nicky said:
I have just looked on the Vito Technology site but on the PPC version it mentions nothing about telephone conversation recording so I am assuming it doesn't offer this feature on the PPC, just on Smartphones .. is this correct?
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I've tried "Vito Audionotes" and "Resco Audio Recorder" and both got the same problem on TyTN; both only records your side so are useless...

Yes, it is a problem Viva, the way I have got round this is by using the Tytn headphones to make a call but I just wear one earpiece in my ear and I hold the other earpiece next to the inline microphone (you could even tape it there).
I have only ever used the inbuilt note recorder before so when I saw this thread I was hoping that there was 3rd party software out there that would record the other side of the conversation automatically so I wouldn't have to do it this way.
Anyway, thought I would mention my method in case it helps anyone

How about this
http://1800message.com/products.aspx

starfish_001 first point
1) Download either or both of applications below - NOTE: PM Recorder will only work with some Smartphones, not Pocket PC Phone Edition devices.
what is the differebce between PPC Phone and Smartphone ?
I thought my TyTN is a Smartphone but now I think it's a PPCPhone ..
So, there is nothing which can record conversations. It's a pity , phone with so big storage should have this option built-in... what you think ?
The option with some server which will keep my records it's not good for me, I wouldn't let anybody to send my conversations anywhere..
Ok, I will be still looking for some solution and let you know if find any..
Cheers guys.

Yes, TyTn is a PocketPC phone. The most obvious difference is that Smartphones do not have a touchscreen and have a numeric pad.
My C500 (Typhoon) Smartphone wouldn't record telephone conversations either, so I don't think that it's PPC specific. The incoming call simply isn't passed through the OS for it to be recorded.
I read somewhere (sorry, can't remember where) that it was a conscious decision by Microsoft as some operators didn't want that functionality and they were trying to get as many operators onboard as possible. But Nokias can record conversations - even without a beep notification to the caller - so this info may not be correct.

Guys, please DO use the forum serach engine. I've long answrred these question in ALL call recording-related threads started before June 2006.
Please see http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=513&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

LivePVR
Moi herra Ruotsalainen. Your article doesn't mention LivePVR from Softtrends. I tried it and it works, but not for the purpose I wanted it. I am looking for a proper answering machine for WM5, like SmartAnswer I had on my old Nokia 6600.

Hmm...
LivePVR does not work in recording phine calls. They finally admitted this on the handango product page, too. You will need to use it in "speaker" mode like all others... Its just technically not possible.

Well, I have just read the article about recording via the speakerphone but I still prefer my method which I mentioned earlier in this thread.
My method records both sides of the conversation, I think the recording I get is better quality than when you record via speakerphone and the conversation remains private ... I am quite happy with my workaround

When I have wizard, i use SPWM5CallRec.cab (somewhere on the forum) and ....hmm it's record all? (don't remember for 100%).

gromel said:
When I have wizard, i use SPWM5CallRec.cab (somewhere on the forum) and ....hmm it's record all? (don't remember for 100%).
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It will not record the other party's voice, as has already been pointed out in my article (see link above).
However, i's still teh best call recorder app available for the PPC, particularly if you use the WAV postconverter I've discussed in the article.

Applestar said:
LivePVR does not work in recording phine calls. They finally admitted this on the handango product page, too.
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They did false advertising? Everyone who paid for that pretty crapy app could sue them for that. After all, the day after they've released LivePVR I've pointed out in my review it's NOT able to record the other party. That is, they were surely able of the app's inability of this.

abubasim said:
Moi herra Ruotsalainen. Your article doesn't mention LivePVR from Softtrends. I tried it and it works, but not for the purpose I wanted it. I am looking for a proper answering machine for WM5, like SmartAnswer I had on my old Nokia 6600.
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Yup, it directly doesn't mention it; however, the Audio Recorder Bible (linked in from the PMRecorder article; http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/menneisyys/112005SoundRecorderApps.asp ) does and it also links in the related LivePVR review ( http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1218&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 )

The extend of my test was one phone call. I realise now that I did the test with the speaker on.
Microphone picking up the sound from the speaker . . . bleeding edge, huh?

So finally...
I started this thread once again , I know, there is a lot about that on this forum. I just wanted to put this in to TyTN section, because I was dreaming that this model has no hardware restriction and maybe somebody wrote good app for recording phone calls.
I see, it's still impossible to do that on such a gadgetty mobile phone...
It's a pity....
If anybody find the solution please continue this thread or even send me a message please.

abubasim said:
Microphone picking up the sound from the speaker . . . bleeding edge, huh?
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I'm continuously pushing the issue in internal MS forums. Hopefully HTC / MS changes its approach and does implement what Nokia, Ericsson, Siemens etc have been offering for 7-8 years.

Benone said:
So finally...
I started this thread once again , I know, there is a lot about that on this forum. I just wanted to put this in to TyTN section, because I was dreaming that this model has no hardware restriction and maybe somebody wrote good app for recording phone calls.
I see, it's still impossible to do that on such a gadgetty mobile phone...
It's a pity....
If anybody find the solution please continue this thread or even send me a message please.
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OK, will post a note here too when there is a solution. Also make sure you regularly visit the General forum here for my latest posts.

Call Recording - Time to beat commercial apps.

Guys, I have tried all the solutions for call recording be it Vito Audio Notes, Resco Audio Recorder, LivePVR but no one works fine. They aren't able to record the other party voice unless on speakerphone. So, I thought why not beat those commercial apps and develop a better free solution. Unfortunetly, I dont know much programming, But I know who can do this, yes its you xda-developers. So, gear up to be superior as ever.

mushipkw said:
Guys, I have tried all the solutions for call recording be it Vito Audio Notes, Resco Audio Recorder, LivePVR but no one works fine. They aren't able to record the other party voice unless on speakerphone. So, I thought why not beat those commercial apps and develop a better free solution. Unfortunetly, I dont know much programming, But I know who can do this, yes its you xda-developers. So, gear up to be superior as ever.
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Please follow my articles - in them, I've discussed this problem a lot. You will NOT be able to record the other party. Sorry, it's a hardware (or at least API) restriction.

You could use a pc mic next to your ear and record it to a pc. But you have to have a pc nearby.

Here is an imaginative workaround:
Is it possible to redirect from speaker phone to a bluetooth headset?
Something like this:
http://www.freewareppc.com/communication/bluetoothaudio.shtml
Or search "BT Toggle", I am sure there is something like that in modaco.com
Then modify the tool to "capture" + "redirect" to BT

gogol said:
Here is an imaginative workaround:
Is it possible to redirect from speaker phone to a bluetooth headset?
Something like this:
http://www.freewareppc.com/communication/bluetoothaudio.shtml
Or search "BT Toggle", I am sure there is something like that in modaco.com
Then modify the tool to "capture" + "redirect" to BT
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The TeekSoft(?) folks behind many cool utilities have tried this VERY hard - without any success. That is, it's too impossible.

simply not true
Menneisyys said:
Please follow my articles - in them, I've discussed this problem a lot. You will NOT be able to record the other party. Sorry, it's a hardware (or at least API) restriction.
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I use pm recorder on my tytn...works flawlessly. However it does not record the other party when using a bluetooth headset and you do not have to have the phone on speaker mode to record the other party.
http://www.smartphone-freeware.com/download-pmrecorder.html
their official site:
http://1800message.com/usepmr.aspx

ljinsane said:
I use pm recorder on my tytn...works flawlessly. However it does not record the other party when using a bluetooth headset and you do not have to have the phone on speaker mode to record the other party.
http://www.smartphone-freeware.com/download-pmrecorder.html
their official site:
http://1800message.com/usepmr.aspx
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The lack of BT recording means it's still the mike that is picking up the voice of the other party and there's no direct access to it. That is, the results are inevitably far worse than direct access.

hmmm, i can't make PMRecorder work on my Kaiser, the recordings are empty, not even my voice is in them......

RPG0 said:
hmmm, i can't make PMRecorder work on my Kaiser, the recordings are empty, not even my voice is in them......
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give a try to other recorders. (BTW, AFAIK the Kaiser isn't able to record the other party either, so, it's pretty much useless to even give it a try.)

Windows Mobile: exotic software needed

Hello,
Need following software that I could not find:
1. Call conversation recorder (tried Resco won't work properly - almost impossible to hear the person you are talking with, I suppose it uses microphone to record, isn't there any internal way to do it?)
2. ****list software to block calls and messages from unwanted numbers.
My machine is HTC Touch Cruise, Windows Mobile 6.0 Pro
Much obliged in advance for any clues.

Oooooh exotic! Haha.
Use "Call Firewall" (search google) for blocking calls. For recording calls you are most likely out of luck on Pocket PC. Haven't seen a good one come across the forum yet. Anyone care to prove me wrong?

You can use the notes function built in to WM6 and record it from there... Bad quality but does the job...

juiceppc said:
Oooooh exotic! Haha.
Use "Call Firewall" (search google) for blocking calls. For recording calls you are most likely out of luck on Pocket PC. Haven't seen a good one come across the forum yet. Anyone care to prove me wrong?
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Well it's most upseting then for the phone like that. I suppose many consider it business phone, and businessmen should be most interested in recording their calls :|

l3v5y said:
You can use the notes function built in to WM6 and record it from there... Bad quality but does the job...
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I know that, you gotta push and hold that damn button all the time and that is not that easy and most uncomfortable :|

in the US some states is illegal to record phone calls and other voice recordings unless you get consent from the other party. maybe that's why they didnt put it into the phone. may be some legal issues they didnt wanna deal it and be liable for.

No... During a call, you can press the notes button within the phone app and then hit record in there. I'll post some screen shots if you want...

I live in Europe, Lithuania, so it doesn't concern me whatsoever
NguyenHuu said:
in the US some states is illegal to record phone calls and other voice recordings unless you get consent from the other party. maybe that's why they didnt put it into the phone. may be some legal issues they didnt wanna deal it and be liable for.
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Very uncomfortable I should say, I was looking for much more automatized software, at least Resco adds date, number and some other info I suppose. And by the way does it work if you're talking with bluetooth headset on? I guess not...
l3v5y said:
No... During a call, you can press the notes button within the phone app and then hit record in there. I'll post some screen shots if you want...
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I doubt it...

Resco Audio Recorder automatically records phone calls (I remember because I didn't know it was on, so I filled up my storage with phone recordings).
However, it is quiet because on most WinMo hardware, you can't record incoming voice. It's quiet because it's recording from the mic (where you talk into), which I guess picks up a bit of sound from the speaker (where you listen when you talk). Maybe try talking on speakerphone all the time? Haha, I'm sure that won't work in a business setting, but it's something.

can "Call Firewall" block messages (SMS) as well? I guess not. And that is even more important for me. Anyone knows software with this function?
juiceppc said:
Oooooh exotic! Haha.
Use "Call Firewall" (search google) for blocking calls. For recording calls you are most likely out of luck on Pocket PC. Haven't seen a good one come across the forum yet. Anyone care to prove me wrong?
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There is a program i have tested on wm6 it's called LivePVR if you PM me i can give you a link

Try PMRecorder. It's fully automatic, and it's supposed to be working quite well.

Hi,
Vito audioNotes does a very good job on this. Good quality sound and small files.
Cheers,
Dirk

AGEphone Mobile with internal Speaker VoIP for the Touch HD!

We recently confirmed (thanks to kdomo!) that you can use the internal speaker for VoIP calls on your Touch HD. AGEphone Mobile the only softphone that supports this on the WM platform! Please take a look at my signature and this thread for more information

I tried it, but just the external speaker is working.
Any idea?
The log is in the attachment.
Thx

Is it possible to use bluetooth headset using this VOIP client?

I have not bluetooth headset but the option exists.
With headphone working nice.

is possible.. but only the "Bluetooth Advanced Audio" Profile.. this results in: you can hear voice over the Headset, but the phone grab your voice.. There is no option to using the Mono-Headset Profile.

kdomo said:
I tried it, but just the external speaker is working.
Any idea?
The log is in the attachment.
Thx
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I just sent you a PM containing more info. Please disregard my request for a log - I didn't see your post yet.

qnetcore said:
is possible.. but only the "Bluetooth Advanced Audio" Profile.. this results in: you can hear voice over the Headset, but the phone grab your voice.. There is no option to using the Mono-Headset Profile.
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Out of our FAQ:
2. Does AGEphone support Bluetooth headsets?
There is no official support for Bluetooth Headsets yet, but you can make most of them work with AGEphone Mobile using a little hack. There is no need to change the audio device in the settings for this at the moment. You only have to use a little tool called "BTAudioToggle.exe". For further information about this utility please refer to this thread. The package you can download there contains "BTAudioOn.exe" / "BTAudioOff.exe", but using "BTAudioToggle.exe" does the job just fine.
Once you have downloaded the utility, please go to "Settings - Other" and enter the path to the "BTAudioToggle.exe" file there under "Execute on Connect" and "Execute on Disc." without any further parameters. If your BT headset is paired properly with your phone AGEphone Mobile will automatically switch output and input to the device whenever you accept a call. It's probably of note that "BTAudioToggle.exe" only works with the Microsoft Bluetooth Stack.

Hi Falk,
I switched on the "Switch Speakers during Call" function.
So the internal speaker is working very well!
The log file is in the attachment, I am waiting for the free serial number.
THANK YOU

Good to hear that it works using the internal speaker! I have just sent you your key and hope that AGEphone Mobile will be of good use for you. As for everyone else, please enjoy the only WM VoIP software that supports the earphone

kdomo said:
Hi Falk,
I switched on the "Switch Speakers during Call" function.
So the internal speaker is working very well!
The log file is in the attachment, I am waiting for the free serial number.
THANK YOU
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So, you only have to check the "Switch Speakers during call" option in order to use the embedded earpiece, and could make call without any echo heard by the other party?

Yes, that's exactly how it works! The echo may or may not be completely eliminated depending on the phone model. There's also no leap of faith here though as we have a fully functional (call time limited) trial version available on our download page. Just take a look at my signature for more info.

Falk said:
Yes, that's exactly how it works! The echo may or may not be completely eliminated depending on the phone model. There's also no leap of faith here though as we have a fully functional (call time limited) trial version available on our download page. Just take a look at my signature for more info.
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Thanks for the reply.
I'm already your existing customer, and love this product. I tested it a few months back and did'nt take me long to know that this is what I have been looking for.
Just noticed that I'm still on 2.62, and the latest is 2.7. My license key will still work, right?

There is no echo. My opinion the quality of sound is excellent.

kdomo said:
There is no echo. My opinion the quality of sound is excellent.
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It will always have echo if you use the external speaker. This is because the voice of the person you call will loop back to the microphone. At present, with my Athena, which only has external speaker and no embedded earpiece, I have to use wired headset to prevent this echo.
With embedded earpiece, I expect that echo, if any, would be extremely minimal. My guess is, if it happens, we could minimise or eliminate it by adjusting the volume so that the microphone will not pick up the voice from the embedded earpiece.

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Just noticed that I'm still on 2.62, and the latest is 2.7. My license key will still work, right?
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It will, no worries! So far all keys from 1.X onwards are still valid and we have no immediate plans to change that. If we ever decide to give out new keys you will see a notice on the page and in the main thread here on XDA-Dev.

kdomo said:
There is no echo. My opinion the quality of sound is excellent.
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We're happy to hear that as on some models there will be a minimal echo because AGEphone doesn't support any accoustic echo cancellation (read below if you're interested in the background). eaglesteve is right when he says that this echo can usually be managed by simply lowering the call volume a bit. Which is a good keyword: We have experienced very low call volumes on some devices, ROMs when the speakerswitch is option is enabled. Please let us know if that is the case for anyone here.
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Background: The normal phone application usually is heavily optimized for the model it's used on. There are companies that make a living by selling sophisticated accoustic echo cancellation solutions. Most more generic solutions simply use too much processing power and thus a lot of older devices can't make any use of them. That's why we decided to go with the speaker switching as it seems to be a decent compromise between usability and cost (time, money, CPU resources).

Falk,
Is there any possibility of recording the phone conversation into voice files?

Right now you can only set this on a general basis in "3. Audio (page 2) - Record Calls". We plan on making this option available in the main GUI on a per case basis later on.

eaglesteve said:
Falk,
Is there any possibility of recording the phone conversation into voice files?
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Yes, there is: Please go to to Menu - Settings - Audio (page 2) and select the according option. For now there is no way to turn on and off the recording on a per call basis, but we plan to improve that in a future version. For a complete reference of AGEphone Mobile's options please refer to the manual.

kdomo said:
Hi Falk,
I switched on the "Switch Speakers during Call" function.
So the internal speaker is working very well!
The log file is in the attachment, I am waiting for the free serial number.
THANK YOU
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Hello,
I dowloaded the 2.71 version from AGEphone website.
> when I go to 'Settings', I see only one page and moreover 'Interface' is the fifth option not the sixth. Plus I don't see any "Switch Speakers during Call" option...
Please help!
EDIT : Ok I found the option.. it is in the Audi settings, in the second page...

Call recording - does Touch HD's hardware allow?

As title really.
I've done a search on the forum and it seems there is software available that will record calls, but this will only work if the hardware itself supports it. Does anyone know if the Touch HD will work with any software to support call recording?
The other work around I discovered doing a search on the forum was to put the phone into speakerphone mode and use call recording software, but this is obviously not ideal.
So, what's the best way to record calls on the Touch HD?
Thanks

anotheruser123 said:
The other work around I discovered doing a search on the forum was to put the phone into speakerphone mode and use call recording software, but this is obviously not ideal.
So, what's the best way to record calls on the Touch HD?
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You got it in one. Thats currently the only way.

Not quite
Resco Audio recorder works fine for me, once configured it collects all calls as mp3's in a folder of your choice (e.g. on sd).
it's not freeware though, but no speaker needed.

Not technically sure about the Blackstone, but I have both a Polaris and Raphael. I've seen comments about both of those phones being unable to record, yet I've never had a problem recording with VITO Audio Notes (without using the speakerphone trick). It's also a commercial product. If both of those phones can do it, I would suspect the Blackstone is probably also capable.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=457808

hey, i was looking online
and got on a wmpoweruser site, dont know the link, and in a post they released the HTC in call recording, wat whas in a chinese or japanese rom, i got it, but havent tested it yet, its accesible when you phone, and then the right softbutton and record call, in the post they said it was recording bothsides

Duh look at the link above your post

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Thank you for helping my friend.
Excuse me if this sounds rude but that is a 20 page thread that I don't have time to look through unfortunately. Could you please point me to the page that has the relevant instructions?
Thanks

speed_pour said:
Not technically sure about the Blackstone, but I have both a Polaris and Raphael. I've seen comments about both of those phones being unable to record, yet I've never had a problem recording with VITO Audio Notes (without using the speakerphone trick). It's also a commercial product. If both of those phones can do it, I would suspect the Blackstone is probably also capable.
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@speed_pour,
Please can you explaine the speakerphone trick, I also use vito audio notes! Today I see this trick, without using the speakerphone, for the second time also in this post, but I have no idea how it works!
I can only record both voices when I activate speakerphone in settings, if I don't, I only can record my own voice during a call????!!!!!
Thanks in advance!

luckyuser said:
@speed_pour,
Please can you explaine the speakerphone trick, I also use vito audio notes! Today I see this trick, without using the speakerphone, for the second time also in this post, but I have no idea how it works!
I can only record both voices when I activate speakerphone in settings, if I don't, I only can record my own voice during a call????!!!!!
Thanks in advance!
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<shrugs>
Don't know what to tell you, I just made a call 5 minutes ago on that phone, and without turning on the speakerphone it's still got both voices on there. The other side's voice is much lower volume, but it can't be sound bleeding over because it also works when I'm using a bluetooth headset.