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Major WiFi issues!

Hey guys.
I bought my XdaIIs almost a year ago, but have had no need to use the WiFi until quite recently. I'm with O2 on the 200 Plan (light user) and everything works fine with the phone, including the GRPS: apart from the WiFi. When the phone was sold to me I was told very clearly, and on multiple occasions, that if I can pick up a WiFi signal, and that it's free, then I can connect and browse for free. I don't have a WiFi connection at home, so it's only when out and about that I need to connect. However, when I tried this at a Coffee House that had free access I could only connect via one of two of O2's "Gateway Partners" and they wanted to charge me for this, which I find outrageous! Can someone confirm to me whether this is correct, as O2 told me that I have to be a "Business User" on a Business Plan to get free WiFi, and that the fact that the phone has WiFi doees not mean that they support it!
If the above is the case, is there anyway around this, such as unlocking the phone, or connecting via a completely different network? I just find it galling that O2 can mis-sell me the phone on the basis that I can connect via WiFi "anywhere and anytime for free" and then to be told that this isn't the case.
Thanks in advance.
Tron

Tron,
WiFi isn't free. It's usually provided by some operator (e.g. BT, The Cloud, T-Mobile, etc), and these guys want money for providing a service.
Generally you can create an account with them whilst you are in a WiFi Hotspot - and their charges vary. It's nowhere near as prevalent as GSM, so you'll find that not all of these operators have agreements between themselves; basically this means that you can use an operators account only with it's partners.
As for if "if you can see a wifi signal it's free" - it's not true. Not wishing to condone anything illegal, you can generally get away with it if there's no encryption on the access point; but it is illegal to use a signal that is not meant for you. The idea of unlocking your phone doesn't really apply in this case either - it's nothing to do with the network lock but the way the people who run the equipment choose to charge; remember the equipment for WiFi is completely separate from the Mobile GSM network you use when you call someone on your mobile.
As for the O2 WiFi network/partners, I've no idea about the pricing. But it does make sense that they would have a different tariff for those subscribing to their wifi service, like their Business Plan.
No doubt the salesperson over-played this a bit when selling it to you!

Hey Bal, thanks for the reply.
So, if I'm sitting in a Library, for arguements sake, and they have a completely free and open WiFi connection, how am I meant to connect? Surely O2 via "The Cloud" cannot charge me to use someone's network who are letting me use it for free: can they? Likewise, if I pop around your house and you let me use your connection, do I have to connect via one of O2's partners? That's what I'm trying to get at, I guess.
Thanks once again.

wifi is just like a normal network between computers you set up at home
you can let people from the outside hop on if you want
but you are to blame if they abuse your network connection though i guess
some places offer free wifi too some plane companys offer it in their planes
some trains offer it
7-11 offer it and so does mcdonals i believe

Rudegar is right of course, if it's free and you open your wireless lan manager you should see the network and be able to connect without a password.
This has nothing to do with the mobile operator you have a contract with.
It's the same as you bringing your laptop over to my place and plugging it into the wired lan - only difference being that there are no wires involved.
If you think of your wifi as just a way of "plugging into" a network rather than as part of your mobile it makes more sense.
I would suggest that you find somewhere with wifi access and have a play - you'll learn much more that way

well if the mobile operators wanted to they could offer it
and charge people for it of cause it would require them
to set up MANY hotspots and repeaters to service all their customers

Okay, cool. Thanks for all of the help guys. I guess I'll have to wander around an find a free WiFi spot (there are none that I know of anywhere near me).
Ross

or you could just get a wifi router for your internet connection for your normal computers should you have a such
and make your own hotspot

Internet Sharing problem

Here's my problem. I'm trying to run uTorrent and everything is slooooow. I've noticed my IP address on my laptop as 192.168.0.102 and my external is very different. I think that is my problem, NAT or something. Is there any way to forward ports on the 8525 or to put myself into a DMZ like my home router?
I've searched and searched and maybe I'm just retarded, I suppose that could be the whole issue at hand. I also made sure that I'm logged into isp.cingular so that shouldn't be the issue at hand.
Hopefully someone can help me, thanks for the time.
Taylor.

1) Why would you want to run a torrent program over a mobile network. It would be really slow, especially compared to cable. Plus you're going to bog down the wireless network and probably end up getting your account suspended or end up with insane data charges for using so much data. I'm pretty sure it is against which ever provider's TOS you have that you can not use their network for that type of activity.
2) You have no control over port forwarding or anything of that nature. Your phone's data connection is behind your provider's "main" access point. They control the ports and how the internal addressing works.

torrents
GldRush98 said:
1) Why would you want to run a torrent program over a mobile network. It would be really slow, especially compared to cable. Plus you're going to bog down the wireless network and probably end up getting your account suspended or end up with insane data charges for using so much data. I'm pretty sure it is against which ever provider's TOS you have that you can not use their network for that type of activity.
It is..it specifically states the use of file sharing or P2P apps is not allowed... they dont even allow you to tether without a laptop connect plan..you think theyre gonna let you get away with running a torrent app for long before your account gets flagged?
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Well just for the sake of information then I'll post what I tried and found out. I downloaded the 9/21/06 rom from the wiki and reflashed it so I could try Wireless Modem again instead of Internet Sharing and guess what...
Internet Sharing gives an internal IP of 192.168.0.102
Wireless Modem gives an internal IP that matches my external IP but still does not allow incoming connections.
So Internet Sharing does give the internal IP NOT my provider.
To respond about the tethering, I'm not getting the laptop connect plan because then I wouldn't be able to browse on my phone, hence negating the whole damn reason that I bought my 8525, so I can browse the internet while sitting in parking lots waiting on calls. My home cable connection costs what I pay a month for internet access on my phone you better believe I'll use it the same way.
Taylor.
PS A moderator is more than welcome to close this now as my original question has been answered by me. Thanks.

TaylorSPL said:
Well just for the sake of information then I'll post what I tried and found out. I downloaded the 9/21/06 rom from the wiki and reflashed it so I could try Wireless Modem again instead of Internet Sharing and guess what...
Internet Sharing gives an internal IP of 192.168.0.102
Wireless Modem gives an internal IP that matches my external IP but still does not allow incoming connections.
So Internet Sharing does give the internal IP NOT my provider.
To respond about the tethering, I'm not getting the laptop connect plan because then I wouldn't be able to browse on my phone, hence negating the whole damn reason that I bought my 8525, so I can browse the internet while sitting in parking lots waiting on calls. My home cable connection costs what I pay a month for internet access on my phone you better believe I'll use it the same way.
Taylor.
PS A moderator is more than welcome to close this now as my original question has been answered by me. Thanks.
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I have the same issue with the 192.168.0.102 and it sets default gateway to 192.168.0.1. This never happend with the other rom and it kills my local network because it's 192.168.0.0:255.255.255.0.
Also on the tether speed being slow! I am getting about 800-900 k, I don't call that slow and my plan is unlimited and is no longer available so I can't change anything or I loose it. I have downloaded many many gig and never flagged or cut off.
I would like to find out how to stay with the newer rom and internet sharing and just change what IP's it uses rather than change my whole network config.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Torrenting on the 8525
I just got my 8525 and I just started to try and torrent on the network. Is your unlimited data plan with AT&T\Cingular? Just curious as I was also concerned about the ramifications.

Using Mogul's WiFi without any cell plan

I have a Sprint Mogul and basically hate it because it's slow and poorly designed. So I switched to the Treo 700wx and like it a lot better (or at least as much as anyone can really "like" Windows Mobile).
Rant aside, I have the Mogul still and have been trying to set it to simply access the net via WiFi, but it just is showing me no love. I can see and connect to my access point fine (just as I could back when I did have a cell plan for it). But when I try to hit a page with PIE, it tries to connect to the Sprint network. I've tried deleting the Sprint connection out of the network settings as well as unchecking the "This network connects to the internet" box. But it doesn't prevent it from trying to connect to the cell towers instead of just using the WiFi.
Ideas?

Ensure you have the Wireless connection pointing to "The Internet". You should also run a ping test and ensure your router is handing out an IP via DHCP properly.

Taco Jackson said:
I have a Sprint Mogul and basically hate it because it's slow and poorly designed. So I switched to the Treo 700wx and like it a lot better (or at least as much as anyone can really "like" Windows Mobile).
Rant aside, I have the Mogul still and have been trying to set it to simply access the net via WiFi, but it just is showing me no love. I can see and connect to my access point fine (just as I could back when I did have a cell plan for it). But when I try to hit a page with PIE, it tries to connect to the Sprint network. I've tried deleting the Sprint connection out of the network settings as well as unchecking the "This network connects to the internet" box. But it doesn't prevent it from trying to connect to the cell towers instead of just using the WiFi.
Ideas?
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Frankly the phone is not really going to be appreciated (as it can be) by more basic PC user. Sounds like you want a more (pardon the expression) dumbed down version of PPC.
Instead of turning on wireless and then looking at available AP's... go into start/settings/connections tab/WiFi and try connecting from there... I noticed it to work better from there.
BTW... if you really start hating that thing... let me know and I will send you a pre-paid shipping box

veloslave said:
Frankly the phone is not really going to be appreciated (as it can be) by more basic PC user. Sounds like you want a more (pardon the expression) dumbed down version of PPC.
Instead of turning on wireless and then looking at available AP's... go into start/settings/connections tab/WiFi and try connecting from there... I noticed it to work better from there.
BTW... if you really start hating that thing... let me know and I will send you a pre-paid shipping box
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..and if you happen to forget to send the box... I'm right behind you and will happily take his poorly designed and slow Mogul.

SGS - internet connecting pc problems

Hi,
I live in Australia. I bought a SGS from UK. It has nothing changed in firmware its the same as it comes from the box. (just a few games and apps installed from the android market).
My problem is when I connect the SGS to my laptop through the USB cable and I chose "PC INTERNET" I get a connection but i get a lot of drop outs, I would say being honestly every 5 minutes my connection drops. I live right in the city and my phone has good reception so its not the reception.
I haven't tried teethering (i dont wanna teether coz mobile plans says, NO teethering).
What can I do to fix the drop out connection problem.

if you are using your internet via the LAPTOP over the USB cable, then you need to figure out WHY your LAPTOP is not connecting properly to the Internet.

it takes about 1 min to connect and when it connects i choose HOME connetion. than it works good for 5 mins and it drops out and reconnects itself.

Correct me if I've read your post incorrectly but isn't what you're doing tethering?
From Wikipedia: "Tethering is the use of a mobile device such as a mobile phone to supply Internet access for another device which is otherwise unconnected, using the mobile device as a modem. This can be done through Bluetooth wireless technology, Portable Wi-Fi hotspots, or cables (such as USB)."

well yes and no...
it is teethering but carriers cant prove that.
however
if i do select teether on my phone it says something like this option will use black hole date or something (from my understanding is that it will use different data to my free date) so i choose to try the cable connect than select interent connection.
anyways the problem is still there... has anyone got any solutions or give me some ideas?
thanks

are you trying to use your phone as a modem or not?
if you are, then we can help you there are many ways to do it.
but if you are doing the opposite, using your laptop internet, for your phone to access internet (which doesn't make any sense at all) then we can't help you as it's a laptop problem.

im trying to use my phone as a modem but in a way without carriers finding out im actually using my phone to teether.
my problem is that my connection keeps droping every 5 minutes for 10-30sec.

I use my Galaxy as a modem and I had nothing but hassle when connecting using the cable. I found out its far better to go into settings then wireless settings then switch mobile AP on. Your phone sends the connection over wifi to the pc and gives me no hassle at all.
I reckon the only way your service provider would know is by looking at how much data you use so just be careful and you should be fine. Or find out what your monthly limit is and put a data counter on the phone, I use Netcounter, its free and simple but gives the info you need like daily, weekly and monthly usage

yup, the wireless method is by far the easiest one, and best of all it is build in!
as for your cell phone provider finding out, regardless of what you do, they don't care, they only check how much data you used up, and charge you that amount

well im on 1gb per month. Plenty of data there.
I tried another method today: turn bluetooth on and connect through bluetooth and that seem to works perfectly. I was online for 3 hours without dropping once.
Now I`m wondering why was it dropping with the cable connected? And not even once through bluetooth!

I understand your Problem, but at time i reading your last Post i have an question.
I understand your Posts that you dont use Wireless thether becouse your Carrier dont Allow Laptops to Acces Wireless conections right?
But it makes no difference if you use the cable or a wireless conection to thether your Internet. If you surf under the radar you dont getting into troubles. And there is no blackhole Data when you tether wireless. Its a gprs, edeg, 3g or umts Connection and your Phone manage this automaticly. So now comes my question. Why you dont use the build in wireless tether function which is the fastest and easiest way to connect. You dont need the phone directly near the laptop, you can give it to the point of best data connection, okay and a powerstrip for the akku. But its much faster then the Bluetooth connection, becouse of wlan.
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"And there is no blackhole Data when you teether wireless"
From now on I will use the AP to connect. I thought the carriers (OPTUS) might find out. But since they can't find out than this is the best option. Thanks for confirming they cant find out weather I connected my laptop or just used the date from my phone.

This remind my at the old days where you share your internet connection thru a soho rooter or just another pc with 2 network cards built in. In these early days the Provider says its forbidden to use the connection for more pcs than one. But in fact they never could meassure this and no one ever gets an letter from them or an contract decline/service interuption. The truth is, that there was a kind of law process against them and now the isp's is forbidden to limit the usage of your internet connection to only one device. So that means not that you get unlimited numbers of ip adresses, but you can NAT as much devices you want. Now you get from every ISP a Preconfigured router if you like.
And the same will hapen over a pariod of time to the wireless providers as well. Its your connection so you can use them the way u like it. Its already happend here, you can buy umts router for your home.
Where i live there is no question like this. Just do it. But maybe its becouse of our mentalogiy. If somone says no the typical austrian will do it anyway and gives no dime to what others say. If no one forbid you something then its allready allowed to do. ;-)
Greetings to Australia (the country with the kangaroos) like we here in Austria say. lol
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Thanks for that info. That takes my concerns/stress away. Just didn't wanna receive a thousand dollar bill that's all I cared

Sprint blocking inbound ports? Want to use VNC Server over 3G/4G

IMHO a data connection I'm paying for is a data connection. I'm peeved at the thought that Sprint is not allowing outside world inbound port connections to my device (S4). I have a technically challenged mother-in-law and it'd be great if I could VNC into her device to help her.
Droid VNC Server supposedly allows this over 3G/4G and even shows my external IP address, but all connections fail.
VMLite Server ( http://goo.gl/Q14Hq ) does work, but ONLY via local WiFi.
Anyone have experience with getting this to work over 3G/4G data connection or a way around this?

Lol dude, do you think your "ip adress" is unique on cellphone? Of course not...
You are paying to have DATA in your cellphone, not a internet service. Use wifi..

armyturtle said:
IMHO a data connection I'm paying for is a data connection. I'm peeved at the thought that Sprint is not allowing outside world inbound port connections to my device (S4). I have a technically challenged mother-in-law and it'd be great if I could VNC into her device to help her.
Droid VNC Server supposedly allows this over 3G/4G and even shows my external IP address, but all connections fail.
VMLite Server ( http://goo.gl/Q14Hq ) does work, but ONLY via local WiFi.
Anyone have experience with getting this to work over 3G/4G data connection or a way around this?
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You're doing better then I am if you have it working at all. I'm on rooted MF9 and haven't found a working server yet. Only tried the free ones so far though. May have to give in and buy VMLite I reckon.

Have you thought about using a MDM to access her device. At my job we use SOTI Mobile Device Management (recommended by Samsung), with this software I am able to remote access and control any android, ios and Windows xp-Windows 8 on any network. I have tried 3G, LTE and Wifi. Our school currently has 670 Galaxy Note 10.1 and I can control each and every one. I can remote in to the device run programs, watch videos and push out Apps silently without having to have the student login into google services. Most companies will give you at least a 2 week trial to see if you like it and that is when you can remote in to their device.

pmcnano said:
Lol dude, do you think your "ip adress" is unique on cellphone? Of course not...
You are paying to have DATA in your cellphone, not a internet service. Use wifi..
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"Lol dude", my old Epic 4G had a unique IP, as does my partner's current Epic Touch. (So did my Palm Pre.) But the Epics are/were Wimax, so it must be that Sprint got stingy when they moved to LTE.
Sucks for me. I know there are dynamic DNS updaters... anyone know of a persistent reverse SSH tunnel app?

armyturtle said:
IMHO a data connection I'm paying for is a data connection. I'm peeved at the thought that Sprint is not allowing outside world inbound port connections to my device (S4). I have a technically challenged mother-in-law and it'd be great if I could VNC into her device to help her.
Droid VNC Server supposedly allows this over 3G/4G and even shows my external IP address, but all connections fail.
VMLite Server ( http://goo.gl/Q14Hq ) does work, but ONLY via local WiFi.
Anyone have experience with getting this to work over 3G/4G data connection or a way around this?
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Have you thought about TeamViewer? I use that from my mobile to log into my parents computer to help them.

Setup a VPN connection and use that to connect to what you want?
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