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not that it's out, and i'm putting this out there for the hardcore programmers amongst us, but when this comes out, what are the chances of it working on the hermes? if it does then **** iphone, this interface would do wonders for the usability of the device.... but don't take my word for it, check the short video
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6173.html
am i the only one who would like to navigate the hermes with that ui?
You think that's cool? Check this out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=U0EDd85F2pc
nice, but...
Trancecoder said:
You think that's cool? Check this out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=U0EDd85F2pc
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i think most of us have seen this video and should be aware that buddy isn't releasing this anytime soon, and in any event, i'm not really big on the iphone, it seems gimmicky like most apple products. i like functionality, and would rather go with something that's useful, not just because it emulates a popular company's interface.
Actually, I'm in the same boat as you, but you mentioned iphone so I thought I might as well link to that video. I'll pick substance over style any time.
Hi guys, I've got one of these i600, and was wondering where to get this good looking plugin. Any idea?
I also wonder where to find a dedicated thread or section here in XDA...
There shouldn't be any i600 sections in xda-dev because it's not an HTC device. At least that's the philosophy I've seen about non-HTC stuff...
I LOVE that the iPhone seems like it will take full advantage the the touchscreen. Too many of these touchscreen PDA phones are trying to please the weenies who are are afraid to touch their TOUCHscreen phones so the on screen interface isn't as capable as it should be. These type of people need to go buy their MS Smartphones or Treos and let the rest of us have large TOUCHscreen phones that are useful...
The iPhone doesn't really interest me too much aside from that aspect. I just hope that Windows Mobile phone makers learn a little of what Apple can teach them without giving up the things that make phones like the Hermes and Universal better devices.
Trancecoder said:
There shouldn't be any i600 sections in xda-dev because it's not an HTC device. At least that's the philosophy I've seen about non-HTC stuff...
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Yeah, that's what I thought. Anyway, XDA isn't fully committed to smartphones, like it is for PDAs.
Now, back to the main point: where can I find and install this wonderfully looking plugin for my i600?
It's already on your phone, go to the display options, start screen and select turn/rotating screen or something (mine is in dutch).
Rickstur said:
It's already on your phone, go to the display options, start screen and select turn/rotating screen or something (mine is in dutch).
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Here's the choice I get from the "Home Screen" menu:
Samsung Simple, Samsung Popup, Samsung Calendar, Samsung Clock, Large Fonts, Orange & Windows Basic / Simple / Default.
Maybe this one was removed by Orange...
Could you extract the them and post it here please?
Found this, witch looks interesting.
http://www.v2r.ag/screens/
You guys should try it out...
xusso said:
Found this, witch looks interesting.
http://www.v2r.ag/screens/
You guys should try it out...
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Just my 2 cents,
I thought I would check out the plug in he referenced, pretty cool for a free download. Definitely worth a look at any rate.
some more screens
Here is a nice one ;-)
this is something i've been waiting for..
however, i think it is missing more parameters of comparison!
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/feat...ad_to_head_Nokia_E90_versus_HTC_Advantage.php
http://www.smartphones-show.com/
one question: does the advantage have scheduled sms sending?
thanks!
D_G said:
this is something i've been waiting for..
however, i think it is missing more parameters of comparison!
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/feat...ad_to_head_Nokia_E90_versus_HTC_Advantage.php
http://www.smartphones-show.com/
one question: does the advantage have scheduled sms sending?
thanks!
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you can have this function by install third party software. This is the advantage of having a windows PPC, there are just so many software out there.
wu,
thats true. there are loads of softwares for WM phones. one i was interested in is the business card reader!
but what did you think of the comparison?
D_G said:
this is something i've been waiting for..
however, i think it is missing more parameters of comparison!
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/feat...ad_to_head_Nokia_E90_versus_HTC_Advantage.php
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What a nonesene comparison. They did not even rate the OS as such, which is one of the main reasons why people by products like the Hermes, Universal or Athena. Symbian is a very poor thing in comparison with WM5 or WM6. And the main display of both devices is rated with 8.
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wu,
thats true. there are loads of softwares for WM phones. one i was interested in is the business card reader!
but what did you think of the comparison?
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I have a business card reader software install on my machine, it works really well. Personally, i prefer Athena much more then E90, i don't like screen of e90, think and long, not very good for watching moving and such. Another thing is the OS, i think WM5 or WM6 is much better then E90 one, it's kind of comparing Windows XP with Linux, Linux runs faster but the third party software is just far less then XP. If you buy the Advantage, you will have so much fun with third party software, but if you buy E90, you will enjoy the stable and speed of the device.
Button Line, this is a Windows PPC forum, most of the people here will say no to E90, if you go to E90 forum, they will also say no to WM, both of them will give you good reason and their suggestion. From how i see this, these are 2 different product, you should choose the one best suites you.
All these 3rd party statistics
I really don't know why we keep talking about 3rd party excellence. Nokia has shipped more than 100 million s60 units and there is a plethora of 3rd party apps out there for s60. As I am a happy Advantage owner I have tried a few of the WM 5 apps and many of them won't work well because they lack something like landscape support. I doubt that comparing 3rd party application statistics is a good way to judge anything. S60 is lovely for phones without touchscreens but I am not sure it is adequate for a laptop replacing super phone.
Regards
Johan
Review was like someone from Nokia paid him to have such review. It is true you can't talk with Advantage like you can talk with Nokia but hey, you can have bluetooth for talk, most of ppl use it anyway, why would that be a problem? My bluetooth has ring and vibro, don't need anything more. I noticed on his site lot of reviews of Nokia products, hm.
joohan said:
I really don't know why we keep talking about 3rd party excellence. Nokia has shipped more than 100 million s60 units and there is a plethora of 3rd party apps out there for s60. As I am a happy Advantage owner I have tried a few of the WM 5 apps and many of them won't work well because they lack something like landscape support. I doubt that comparing 3rd party application statistics is a good way to judge anything. S60 is lovely for phones without touchscreens but I am not sure it is adequate for a laptop replacing super phone.
Regards
Johan
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i haven't come across any software that doesn't support landscape, even there is, you can always find alternative software which does the same thing. Basically, if you want something on your PPC, there are softwares out there which does it, but for E90, you have to hope there is one.
Business card scanner?
wu5262 said:
I have a business card reader software install on my machine, it works really well. Personally, i prefer Athena much more then E90, i don't like screen of e90, think and long, not very good for watching moving and such. Another thing is the OS, i think WM5 or WM6 is much better then E90 one, it's kind of comparing Windows XP with Linux, Linux runs faster but the third party software is just far less then XP. If you buy the Advantage, you will have so much fun with third party software, but if you buy E90, you will enjoy the stable and speed of the device.
Button Line, this is a Windows PPC forum, most of the people here will say no to E90, if you go to E90 forum, they will also say no to WM, both of them will give you good reason and their suggestion. From how i see this, these are 2 different product, you should choose the one best suites you.
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Are you saying you have a business card reader installed on your phone/Athena? If so, which one is it and can you provide a link? I'm looking for something that will allow me to take pictures of a card and take the image and input the business card data into my contacts...if something like this is available.
http://store.alestron.us/wcmobile.html
That's the one that's included with the DOPOD "extra" value pack.
I have to say it's impressive. If you take the picture square it's really quite good. I have an advantage and I'm buying it. The trial doesn't let you save contacts but shows you what it recognized.
hammermedia said:
http://store.alestron.us/wcmobile.html
That's the one that's included with the DOPOD "extra" value pack.
I have to say it's impressive. If you take the picture square it's really quite good. I have an advantage and I'm buying it. The trial doesn't let you save contacts but shows you what it recognized.
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yes, that's the one i am using, works well with my Dopod
schoofter said:
Review was like someone from Nokia paid him to have such review.
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That is what I think. It's clearly biased.
It is true you can't talk with Advantage like you can talk with Nokia but hey....
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Right! The reason why you can't talk with the Ahtena like with the Nokia, is the far bigger screen. That's it's major attraction. Yet, they gave the 7500 less points for not being handy (which is ok), and both devices the same points for the monitor - which is funny and a contradiction. Talk about bias.
Yes, its true, HTC is officially abandoning the windows platform!
What next?
SOURCE:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/htc_new_strategy/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=64741
UPDATE:
Sources are confirming the adoption of the linux platform or symbian platform. Its most probably not going to take massive shape this year, but by next year we will see a significant change.
^^ Sources
register article is referring to smartphone platform only! maybe pda platform will remain with MS...
ItalianTytan said:
register article is referring to smartphone platform only! maybe pda platform will remain with MS...
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"smartphone" is generally used also for devices with touchscreen...
I think HTC is afraid of MS doing again what they have done with the media players business: they used other hardware vendors to create market perception and later they went for their own product (Zune) with a different DRM and left the "PlaysForSure" clan with cold feet.
Now that Apple has its own branded phone Microsoft will have to have a MS branded phone soon and that could mean bye bye to HTC and the other vendors, so better jump ship before it's too late.
This announcement could also be only a warning to MS; at the moment HTC is practically the only company in the world that could throw a blow at Microsoft: without HTC the MS market share in smartphones would fall to a level of insignificance and they would have to rebuild their mobile phone market share from scratch.
Btw, is there any other OS than wm6 that we can port into right now like linux or something, I really love trying stuff like this out. Is there any way to put s60 v3 or even linux onto my trinity?
AkshayGenius said:
Btw, is there any other OS than wm6 that we can port into right now like linux or something, I really love trying stuff like this out. Is there any way to put s60 v3 or even linux onto my trinity?
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There's a Linux kernel out there somewhere - iPaQ 3900 was the last device I saw it working on eons ago...
AkshayGenius,
check Hermes forum, haret supports Trinity and semi-bootable kernel exists.
Doesn't boot completely on Hermes or Trinity so far.
hope some good UI os will come out soon!
i really dont wanna buy iphone..... unless HTC can come out better UI os...
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"smartphone" is generally used also for devices with touchscreen...
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Not really, in terms of Windows Mobile devices and WM5, you had the Pocket PC and Smartphone edition, the latter of which is on devices without touch screen e.g. HTC Meteor, Canary, Tanager etc.
I don't know if you mean "generally" as in all devices that are smartphonish on the market - you've got a lot that's not touch screen there too e.g. N95.
El_Mariachi said:
Not really, in terms of Windows Mobile devices and WM5, you had the Pocket PC and Smartphone edition, the latter of which is on devices without touch screen e.g. HTC Meteor, Canary, Tanager etc.
I don't know if you mean "generally" as in all devices that are smartphonish on the market - you've got a lot that's not touch screen there too e.g. N95.
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With "generally" I mean what you read in market researches. When you read about the Symbian market share that includes both S60 (no touchscreen) and UIQ (touchscreen) phones. Same goes for Windows Mobile.
The term "smartphone" was not invented by microsoft (did they ever invent anything? ) and it means "phone where you can install and use third party software beyond java applets" as opposed to "feature phone" where you can only use what is preinstalled in the phone (and only add Java applets).
So can anybody make an OS which I for ex can put on my p3600 for ex.
AkshayGenius said:
Yes, its true, HTC is officially abandoning the windows platform!
What next?
SOURCE:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/htc_new_strategy/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=64741
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HTC has the best position in the market because of the Windows line. When they abandone the Windows platform, they give their market share to HP for example.
HTC also knows that Microsoft integrates everything from Office, Exchange, VOIP, Sharepoint to Live, etc.
Saying one thing and do some expirements with Linux, puts the pressure on Microsoft for nice deals (cheaper OS) for more HTC profit.
I haven't looked for other sources, but, a reading of the article hardly supports the assertion that HTC is "officially abandoning" WM. I mean, the ONLY quote just says they're "looking at" other OS's.
Talk about exaggeration.
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
qubit76 said:
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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Indeed so! BSD is now a reality on the iPhone - the mind boggles at how the market could look in 12 months. Mind you, I still prefer my Trinity to the iPhone but am particularly peeved that HTC haven't seen fit to officlally release WM6 for it.
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
qubit76 said:
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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If HTC would evolve a bit and embrace the 3rd party app model present on the iPhone, enhance it a bit and add support for fetching data from hardware components like gps modules, not like java, but something like Adobe® AIR™ for mobile devices with offline capabilities, that would be great foe everybody, most of the apps we use are for improving/replacing the poorly designed windows mobile apps&interface, other can be fully replaced by web apps, codewallet for example, imagine it with offline and online modes, sync between both, and you have your passwords accessible on any device or desktop, multimedia editing is also possible using flash and server-side code, like picnik.com, so, it would be necessary to create new apps, but this new model would be far better than the current one, it would also eliminate the need for manual app updating, it would... heh, make cracking impossible, so, good for the devs for that and also for the easier&cheaper development(VS not needed, html+css+flash+javascript+rails[heh ]), it would also give HTC the freedom to create a sleek GUI(compiz and stuff?) since its easier to replace the linux gui than wmobile, no licensing fees from ms i think.
ericlin0122 said:
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
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Ha Ha Haaaa... I like that
Lets all bombard the ubuntu guyz with emails demanding a mobile version of ubuntu for ppc and all then finally we'll get what we want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEA!
ericlin0122 said:
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
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Funny you should say that. Have a look at this: http://www.wired.com/software/coolapps/news/2007/07/iphoney. In the article it mentions just this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded.
So Ubuntu mobile coming in October. As soon as a good GPS navigation software release for Ubuntu comes out - I'm trying it.
Everything is new on WM7!
http://www.osnews.com/story/22877/Microsoft_Unveils_Windows_Phone_7_Series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IOTrqlz4jo
If this place is wrong for this.. Im sorry... I would like to share with the friends form xda!
sebastianmc said:
Everything is new on WM7!
http://www.osnews.com/story/22877/Microsoft_Unveils_Windows_Phone_7_Series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IOTrqlz4jo
If this place is wrong for this.. Im sorry... I would like to share with the friends form xda!
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Windows 7, looking forward to it and definitely my next phone will still be a Windows Mobile!
Most people are talking about it in this topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633291
Just wanted to let you know. WP7S FTW!
chongbh said:
Windows 7, looking forward to it and definitely my next phone will still be a Windows Mobile!
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Yeap!! Its not time to change our OS Lets see what HTC will make on wm7. and maybe there will be a new touchFLO..
ATTENTION:
WINDOWS MOBILE 7 SERIES WOULD NOT SUPPORT 'ADOBE FLASH PLAYER'
look in this video and Play It on 02:39:22 and you see it yourself
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...eogallery.aspx
arggggg i hate windows
NO TouchFlo on WM7
sebastianmc said:
Yeap!! Its not time to change our OS Lets see what HTC will make on wm7. and maybe there will be a new touchFLO..
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As far as we’ve heard so far, the details we broke in January are spot-on. Much of the interface is very Zune like. As we said then, manufacturers will not be able to make massive modifications to Windows Phone. Microsoft specifically said that things like HTC’s TouchFlo will not exist on Windows Phone.
Just check this out: mobilecrunch first-impressions-windows-mobile-7-now-known-as-windows-phone
turborider said:
ATTENTION:
WINDOWS MOBILE 7 SERIES WOULD NOT SUPPORT 'ADOBE FLASH PLAYER'
look in this video and Play It on 02:39:22 and you see it yourself
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...eogallery.aspx
arggggg i hate windows
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but not forever as adobe said they are developing now for wm6.5 and it will be released in the future for wm7 as they hasenot developed a wm7 version yet
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but not forever as adobe said they are developing now for wm6.5 and it will be released in the future for wm7 as they hasenot developed a wm7 version yet
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i hope so mate
turborider said:
ATTENTION:
WINDOWS MOBILE 7 SERIES WOULD NOT SUPPORT 'ADOBE FLASH PLAYER'
look in this video and Play It on 02:39:22 and you see it yourself
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...eogallery.aspx
arggggg i hate windows
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Well, Microsoft told us why. Flash on smartphones is EXTREMELY buggy, doesn't always work, and when it did work it wasn't very good quality. The only time it worked reasonably was in Skyfire, and the developers didn't get even the Flash player part from Adobe!! Although, it was nice to have the option, but at least Adobe is trying to improve it to include it with Windows Phones...eventually.
Oh, yes, and the HTC HD2's proccessor DOES support Windows Phone 7, but I don't think it has the required 4-point touch or search button (I suppose we could use the home key...).
Edit: I just found out that the HD2 has the correct minimum resolution for Windows Phone 7, WVGA.
oops, wrong thread, sorry
Really
mpscuba68 said:
As far as we’ve heard so far, the details we broke in January are spot-on. Much of the interface is very Zune like. As we said then, manufacturers will not be able to make massive modifications to Windows Phone. Microsoft specifically said that things like HTC’s TouchFlo will not exist on Windows Phone.
Just check this out: mobilecrunch first-impressions-windows-mobile-7-now-known-as-windows-phone
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I do not think it is spot on. Even some things you are saying here are your assumptions, not something MS stated. Where did now MS state specifically that HTC's Touch Flo will not exist on Windows Phone.
From what I see so far, MS has focused on what they will require vendors to provide, not on what they will ban them from providing. According to your logic, anything MS did not explicitly mention in this announcement is "specifically" banned.
http://www.osnews.com/story/22877/Microsoft_Unveils_Windows_Phone_7_Series said:
Screen resolution, aspect ratio, CPU speed, memory, you name it; it's all mandated by Microsoft. Even the button configuration: Start, back, search. That's it. No deviations. Speaking of deviations - no more custom UIs, Microsoft doesn't allow them.
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There for you...
Fdo35 said:
Well, Microsoft told us why. Flash on smartphones is EXTREMELY buggy, doesn't always work, and when it did work it wasn't very good quality. The only time it worked reasonably was in Skyfire, and the developers didn't get even the Flash player part from Adobe!! Although, it was nice to have the option, but at least Adobe is trying to improve it to include it with Windows Phones...eventually.
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This is true. The future is HTML5, which is every bit as capable, and more stable, will leave Flash in the dust where it belongs.
What we really should be asking is if these new smartphone platforms will support HTML5 and WebOS.
Flash is dead.
donalgodon said:
This is true. The future is HTML5, which is every bit as capable, and more stable, will leave Flash in the dust where it belongs.
What we really should be asking is if these new smartphone platforms will support HTML5 and WebOS.
Flash is dead.
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definitelly agree, and hope you are right...
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(...) Flash is dead. (...)
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Is it? Really? As of today? Come on...
Yeah, maybe sometime in the future. As soon as WP7 is ready. Maybe.
But definitely not as of today.
tictac0566 said:
Is it? Really? As of today? Come on...
Yeah, maybe sometime in the future. As soon as WP7 is ready. Maybe.
But definitely not as of today.
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Not today, but the nails are in the coffin. It won't be long until the rest of the world realizes, but it won't happen until other leaders take the leaps necessary to put other options on the table, and HTML5 support will be a part of MacOS, iPhoneOS, et. al. Steve Jobs has made that clear.
Stability and performance is what we are all after. Say what you want about Apple, but they have a design team that is maverick enough to make the leaps and not worry about legacy support.
We need to begin to make the break away from Flash.
alexsql said:
I do not think it is spot on. Even some things you are saying here are your assumptions, not something MS stated. Where did now MS state specifically that HTC's Touch Flo will not exist on Windows Phone.
From what I see so far, MS has focused on what they will require vendors to provide, not on what they will ban them from providing. According to your logic, anything MS did not explicitly mention in this announcement is "specifically" banned.
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Well, actually a Microsoft person (don't know what he does)
told an Engadget editor that while he was giving him a demo of Windows Phone 7, which was recorded. I think so, that is. It may have been a video from another site or quoted, but I remember Microsoft saying that somewhere.
I know this is a more generalized question, but anyone here got an idear why Skype has choose to disgard their Windows Mobile version of the Skype Software?
MS wanting to much money?
WP7S. . . .
Thats basically it.
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WP7S. . . .
Thats basically it.
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yep...
but the cab install for current generation of winmo is still available through xda... it has been posted many times.
Microsoft must be doing something funky.. Adobe as well pulled out of WM6x development for WM7, I don't see why they wouldn't continue, it's not like there is a small 6.5 userbase.
Audio Oblivion said:
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but the cab install for current generation of winmo is still available through xda... it has been posted many times.
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Yeah, thats still good. Maybe once they release a full WP7 ROM, we'd get all the new developments coming to WP7.
Euroman28 said:
I know this is a more generalized question, but anyone here got an idear why Skype has choose to disgard their Windows Mobile version of the Skype Software?
MS wanting to much money?
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I think, the problem was more likely the related to other issues, like the audio APIs. You know, like your conversation being broadcast over the speaker ? So Skype needed a specific hack for every device and Skype got blamed by users for OS related problems. That'll change with the standardizing of chassis designs and hardware for WM7.
ViperAMD said:
Microsoft must be doing something funky.. Adobe as well pulled out of WM6x development for WM7, I don't see why they wouldn't continue, it's not like there is a small 6.5 userbase.
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Depends on what you compare it to. WM doesn't really have the following of android or iPhone so it wouldn't be beneficial for Adobe or Skype to continue pouring assets into a sinking platform. Wish Adobe would release the work they've done so that it wouldn't have been in vain.
I think the HD2 is going to be the last WM phone for a lot of us and not just because we want it to be, but because we're forced to leave it due to lack of support from developers.
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I think the HD2 is going to be the last WM phone for a lot of us and not just because we want it to be, but because we're forced to leave it due to lack of support from developers.
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WM phone have better entertainment value than Android phones. For Instance most FOX Ent DVD's come with an official "digital copy" which can be transfered legally to your Windows Mobile phone, and not to an Android/Iphone.
And yes I know that you can buy movies in the Itunes store, but that only works in the US!
Many of the online music stores which sells downloads require you to have a phone which can play WMA files. Not many other devices than WM phones can do that.
I rest my case.