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from what I have noticed when you open a "app" in the iphone it loads a screen shot of what that app looks like then once the app loads the screen shot goes away and you can use the program. so is it possible to customize the loading screen for each program? so you open it once and it does the default loading swirly thing. then it takes the screen shot and when you open it after that it uses the screen shot instead of the swirl, and once the program loads it take a new screen shot and replaces the old one.
This would give the rom the appearance of instantly loading programs, which is what the iphone seems to be doing. So is there a cook out there that knows how to make this? (NRG28 I am looking at you)
hmm....minimize the apps?
That takes lots of ram
Now, I know I'm far from the average user. I've had two iPhone models (2G & 3G). I switched to WinMo for a reason.
I IN NO WAY WANT MY WINDOWS MOBILE PHONE TO FUNCTION IN ANY WAY THAT EMULATES THE iPHONE.
Sorry... Had to get that out of my system.
+1 f**k an iPhone
Can't see the point. What is it for - to cheat myself that my phone loads apps instantly while knowing well that it doesn't?
+1 f**k iphone ways
DeathmonkeyGTX said:
+1 f**k an iPhone
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There`s probably an app for that!...
Guys, Guys...
Well, Look at below points..
1. Suggested Startup animations..
2. Loading a snapshot first
3. taking and saving a new snapshot...
This is kinda bull**** to me (No offense) Our WinMo processors are meant to be doing much more useful things instead... Well, I phone is kinda candy. I know. But it can never reach the raw processing power of WinMo...
If anyone wants iphone look, feel and functions.. Go.. Go buy an Iphone. Please...
I installed Windows 8 Consumer Preview on my netbook last night to see exactly how well the performance is on a low level machine. Loving it thus far, after doing the regedit to allow me to run metro apps. Through configuring everything the way I wanted it, I stumbled upon a problem. I cannot change my default home location within the default Weather app. Does anyone know a trick to changing that? I tried a little google-fu, but had no luck.
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I installed Windows 8 Consumer Preview on my netbook last night to see exactly how well the performance is on a low level machine. Loving it thus far, after doing the regedit to allow me to run metro apps. Through configuring everything the way I wanted it, I stumbled upon a problem. I cannot change my default home location within the default Weather app. Does anyone know a trick to changing that? I tried a little google-fu, but had no luck.
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Hmmm, usually it asks me on first use what my location is...you may need to pull up the options/settings menu in the app...then, click "places" and enter your location there. If you have already tried this I'll try some other options and let you know...
Btw, how do you like win8?
I have been unable to try the suggested steps as of yet. Life's been slightly hectic the past day or so. I'll try that out tonight.
So far, I love Windows 8. I am running it on my netbook currently, but I am planning on throwing it on my main rig in a dual boot environment to see how the 64 bit version handles anything I can throw at it, since I really don't do much when I am using my netbook outside of IE. I see a lot of people complaining about the Metro UI. I personally love it. I have to say, though, I have been on Windows Phone 7 since early last year. Speaking of, I have high hopes for the integration between the two platforms based on what I have seen so far.
Right click in the weather app and something should come up. I'm not at my computer right now so I don't know what exactly
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How can I change F to Celsius?
mikekrk said:
How can I change F to Celsius?
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right click to bring up app menu, then bottom right there should be an option.
Does anyone have the preview and NOT want to download the RT when it comes out? I admit there are many things which annoy me with Windows 8, it simply takes too long to get many things done compared with Windows 7. I'll still give it a go though.....
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Does anyone have the preview and NOT want to download the RT when it comes out? I admit there are many things which annoy me with Windows 8, it simply takes too long to get many things done compared with Windows 7. I'll still give it a go though.....
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I find that it works much more effeciently than before, ill defo be downloading it and testing it, in fact if its possible i might try an upgrade of Win 7 too this time to see how that performs
i'll try it, just so i can make an educated opinion about it.
i al really digging windows 8, at first it took a while to get sued to metro, but now there are some ui things that i really like about windows 8 and i am dieing to see what they are going to change in the release preview. There are a few complaints, but we all must remember this is a beta product and our judgements should be more geard for RTM and release preview
^^^ How about the settings though? It takes me really long to change different settings...I've had to pin so many things to the bottom screen because there's no Start.
Don't laugh now...I did try without the start and I will try again...but I have been using a mod to put start back...
I do like many of the UI changes though. Also I'm keen to seen how good my laptop battery is on it, Micro said it would be better than Windows 7...also, what do you all think of Micro Security Essentials for Windows 8? They claim it's far more advanced before with some mega anti-rootkit stuff that is not available anywhere else yet...
I would upgrade to windows 8 if there is at least some way to disable metro without breaking the OS in some way. I like the backend changes and the changes to explorer, task manager, and a few other middleware apps.
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I would upgrade to windows 8 if there is at least some way to disable metro without breaking the OS in some way. I like the backend changes and the changes to explorer, task manager, and a few other middleware apps.
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Try this!
It doesn't break anything...you install this like a program and can uninstall it. You can change the start screen to look like Xp/Vista/7/other.
http://lee-soft.com/vistart/
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^^^ How about the settings though? It takes me really long to change different settings...I've had to pin so many things to the bottom screen because there's no Start.
Don't laugh now...I did try without the start and I will try again...but I have been using a mod to put start back...
I do like many of the UI changes though. Also I'm keen to seen how good my laptop battery is on it, Micro said it would be better than Windows 7...also, what do you all think of Micro Security Essentials for Windows 8? They claim it's far more advanced before with some mega anti-rootkit stuff that is not available anywhere else yet...
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What settings you want,? Almost everything you need is a right click on the bottom left corner of the screen away, instead of reverting to something that adds the start menu, just ask us, there isn't a real reason to use the start menu as everything is still there.
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I'll be installing it to a VHD for native boot. I've had a lot of problems with power management causing my laptop to shut down with the CP - so much so that I went back to running Server 08 R2 (I use my laptop for Hyper-V labs). Client Hyper-V in Windows 8 CP doesn't like my Atheros wifi anyway (why HP always puts in Atheros cards, even in its business-class machines, is beyond me).
Good..... But, the most annoying thing is that the start menu has been removed.
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Good..... But, the most annoying thing is that the start menu has been removed.
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Yes! Almost anything I try to do takes longer because the central point is gone! I am determined to give the new menu system a try and not having a start button.
(I have cheated and use a mod to reinstall the start button see my link above if you're interested.)
dazza9075 said:
I find that it works much more effeciently than before, ill defo be downloading it and testing it, in fact if its possible i might try an upgrade of Win 7 too this time to see how that performs
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I probably won't bother. I did the upgrade with both the Dev preview and the Consumer preview and both times it cocked up in different ways. Give it a shot if you so please, but don't expect it to go smoothly, and do expect that you might need to do a clean install regardless
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Good..... But, the most annoying thing is that the start menu has been removed.
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The start menu hasn't been removed, the metro interface page is the start menu, you can start typing your search queries on that page as you would in the start orb in vista/7.
Hope in better version, really hope, too many problems with previous release for me
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The start menu hasn't been removed, the metro interface page is the start menu, you can start typing your search queries on that page as you would in the start orb in vista/7.
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+1 to this.
Start Search has been in Windows since Vista, and if you still don't know how to use it then there's no helping you.
I jumped from XP to 7 when one of the first developer previews became available, and couldn't be bothered to figure out the somewhat complex re-organization of the various Control Panel items. However, once I found Start Search that didn't matter at all and I was able to get stuff done faster than XP. Example: typing [Windows Key]-p-r-i-[Enter] to get to Printer Management is much faster than moving my hand off my keyboard to my mouse, mousing to the start menu, clicking Control Panel, waiting for the Control Panel window to open, finding and clicking on the category I want, and then finding and clicking on the menu item.
The only annoying thing at present is that Control Panel Start Search results in 8 are, by default, hidden in their own category that isn't focused or expanded by default, which makes it take slightly longer to get to Control Panel items via Start Search. Aside from that I honestly don't really notice the "lack" of Start Menu. I pin the handful of apps that I (almost) always have open anyways, and everything else I launch via Start Search on my keyboard.
Keep in mind this is on a non-touch desktop environment where my workflow and usage have remained 99% the same as with Windows 7. The main reason I jumped to 8 was the frankly ridiculous boot time.
A new mobo with UEFI BIOS+SSD+Windows 8=Usable desktop from cold boot in literally 10 seconds.
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+1 to this.
Start Search has been in Windows since Vista, and if you still don't know how to use it then there's no helping you.
I jumped from XP to 7 when one of the first developer previews became available, and couldn't be bothered to figure out the somewhat complex re-organization of the various Control Panel items. However, once I found Start Search that didn't matter at all and I was able to get stuff done faster than XP. Example: typing [Windows Key]-p-r-i-[Enter] to get to Printer Management is much faster than moving my hand off my keyboard to my mouse, mousing to the start menu, clicking Control Panel, waiting for the Control Panel window to open, finding and clicking on the category I want, and then finding and clicking on the menu item.
The only annoying thing at present is that Control Panel Start Search results in 8 are, by default, hidden in their own category that isn't focused or expanded by default, which makes it take slightly longer to get to Control Panel items via Start Search. Aside from that I honestly don't really notice the "lack" of Start Menu. I pin the handful of apps that I (almost) always have open anyways, and everything else I launch via Start Search on my keyboard.
Keep in mind this is on a non-touch desktop environment where my workflow and usage have remained 99% the same as with Windows 7. The main reason I jumped to 8 was the frankly ridiculous boot time.
A new mobo with UEFI BIOS+SSD+Windows 8=Usable desktop from cold boot in literally 10 seconds.
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Totally agree!
And I can't wait to try the Release Preview in June. Have some problems with my wifi drivers, but nothing hard to fix.
Demaar said:
I probably won't bother. I did the upgrade with both the Dev preview and the Consumer preview and both times it cocked up in different ways. Give it a shot if you so please, but don't expect it to go smoothly, and do expect that you might need to do a clean install regardless
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interestingly its the only way ive been able to get a couple of drivers to work, theres some changes under the hood that's really buggered up older drivers, course that might be laziness on the developers side rather than MSs fault but we shall see, im keen on trying this refresh button as well, kinda wondering how much it will gut the crap out of the all the stuff ive installed and how much is left in place, so anyway, if an upgrade doesn't work too well (and I don't think it ever has on a previously used system) ill test the refresh button as well
IDEA - wait a second...the refresh feature...does that mean that when we buy a laptop we just click refresh and reset in 5 minutes? So...we can get rid of all the bloatware inf 5 minutes? Ha
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IDEA - wait a second...the refresh feature...does that mean that when we buy a laptop we just click refresh and reset in 5 minutes? So...we can get rid of all the bloatware inf 5 minutes? Ha
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Honestly don't know, it suggests so but then its probably possible for OEMs to "edit" the files for the refresh somehow, we shall have to wait and see
still get morw things done
I still get a lot more things done than what I could on iPAD and android tablet. I appreciate x86 for the fiest time after trying win8.
I will stick to this and x86.
Basically. I'm only switching to W8 as long as I can get rid of that crappy start screen, add a start button, boot straight to the desktop so I can actually get stuff done quickly like I have for the...past 10 years
I've seen that you can add a start button, but is there anyway to remove any of the other crap?
Honestly I feel like I am better just using W7 till they get it right (hopefully) with W9. Or whatever they'll call it. But, I've heard it is faster.
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
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http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
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Never quite understood the point of those apps. Windows 8 already has all of things that supposedly adds, so why use an app that needless duplicates those things?
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Never quite understood the point of those apps. Windows 8 already has all of things that supposedly adds, so why use an app that needless duplicates those things?
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Some people can't stand the new visual layout (it looks like the app drawer of the SGS default launcher - app icon with a random background color). Also it is fullscreen.
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Some people can't stand the new visual layout (it looks like the app drawer of the SGS default launcher - app icon with a random background color). Also it is fullscreen.
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If you need to see the desktop you could dual screen then its only on 1 so technically half screen lol.
This said I don't get the op about getting things done faster! the new start screen smashes the old on speed. Also he said about getting to the desktop on login I don't get why its so hard to press enter and why do they say it makes it slower when it logs in more that 4times faster then 7 so even with the single button press your in and on the desktop (don't know why cos you will have to launch a program so unless you like looking at your wallpaper this is a pointless pathetic and useless argument) much faster still,
This is typical moaning for the sake of moaning nothing more. I understand saying I don't like the look etc but to say its slower or less productive is just wrong! Why is clicking a small icon on your desktop any faster then clicking a square in the start menu????????
I really want to know as I simply do not get it!!!
You do realize you can customize the start screen layout right even group programs? You do realize you can pin documents as well as programs? you do realize you can just start typing to search? and that you can unpin any clutter then still get to it with a right click? I simply don't understand why anyone in the world thinks that having a start menu with a lng list of programs is in anyway faster then the new start menu.
If you think sticking with windows 7 makes you faster you are kidding yourself its like saying I will stick with a ford focus because its faster then a Ferrari just because you don't like the dash board. If you don't like the look that's fair play but don't try to make out that windows 8 is somehow slower or more clumsy then 7!
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Not to mention that if you don't install metro apps the only thing that's changed is the start screen, Something used for starting programs and does much faster then a list that you should see for about 1% of the time unless your really unorganized and just leave software machine gunned all over it. You can even name your groups, i challenge anyone to load windows 7 on identical hardware and beat me at getting into a program or multiple programs and documents with me on 8, cos if you did you will get smoked.
Actually naff it i have a pc to rebuild today i will do a video to prove it!
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If you need to see the desktop you could dual screen then its only on 1 so technically half screen lol.
This said I don't get the op about getting things done faster! the new start screen smashes the old on speed. Also he said about getting to the desktop on login I don't get why its so hard to press enter and why do they say it makes it slower when it logs in more that 4times faster then 7 so even with the single button press your in and on the desktop (don't know why cos you will have to launch a program so unless you like looking at your wallpaper this is a pointless pathetic and useless argument) much faster still,
This is typical moaning for the sake of moaning nothing more. I understand saying I don't like the look etc but to say its slower or less productive is just wrong! Why is clicking a small icon on your desktop any faster then clicking a square in the start menu????????
I really want to know as I simply do not get it!!!
You do realize you can customize the start screen layout right even group programs? You do realize you can pin documents as well as programs? you do realize you can just start typing to search? and that you can unpin any clutter then still get to it with a right click? I simply don't understand why anyone in the world thinks that having a start menu with a lng list of programs is in anyway faster then the new start menu.
If you think sticking with windows 7 makes you faster you are kidding yourself its like saying I will stick with a ford focus because its faster then a Ferrari just because you don't like the dash board. If you don't like the look that's fair play but don't try to make out that windows 8 is somehow slower or more clumsy then 7!
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Not to mention that if you don't install metro apps the only thing that's changed is the start screen, Something used for starting programs and does much faster then a list that you should see for about 1% of the time unless your really unorganized and just leave software machine gunned all over it. You can even name your groups, i challenge anyone to load windows 7 on identical hardware and beat me at getting into a program or multiple programs and documents with me on 8, cos if you did you will get smoked.
Actually naff it i have a pc to rebuild today i will do a video to prove it!
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Yeah, I am pretty sure most people who complain about it have never tried it (just watched a video) or tried it but not for long enough. It takes a little learning, but then it is much faster than Windows 7 for getting most things done.
move on people! or stick to your current OS.
it is a shame that FUD spreads so easily, but the bigger shame is that there are so many gullible individuals that take everything they read as gospel without actually understanding what it is they are reading.
Im actually tired of daft comments like the OP here, Win 8 has its issues and yet almost all the Win 8 haters don't list any of them and instead become fixated on things that are not actually wrong or any different then what is with Win 7 just now. I have no problem with constructive criticism and good debate but mindless rants of regurgitated nonsense is tiresome
ive said it once and ill say it again, the biggest obstacle for MS launching Win8 and WP 7/8 isn't how good or bad the OS is, its the stupidity of the general population or more importantly the inability for MS to get its own marketing in gear
in answer to the OPs question, is it possible to avoid metro?
the answer is yes and no, you need to use metro as a start menu which is essentially EXACTLY what it is, then you don't have to use any metro apps. you could use a more inefficient start menu as mentioned above or if you don't want a third party program you can pin a shortcut to your start menu folder on your task bar, clicking on it will open up the "start menu" which doesn't have that much less functionality than the old start menu but is utterly crap compared to the new one
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it is a shame that FUD spreads so easily, but the bigger shame is that there are so many gullible individuals that take everything they read as gospel without actually understanding what it is they are reading.
Im actually tired of daft comments like the OP here, Win 8 has its issues and yet almost all the Win 8 haters don't list any of them and instead become fixated on things that are not actually wrong or any different then what is with Win 7 just now. I have no problem with constructive criticism and good debate but mindless rants of regurgitated nonsense is tiresome
ive said it once and ill say it again, the biggest obstacle for MS launching Win8 and WP 7/8 isn't how good or bad the OS is, its the stupidity of the general population or more importantly the inability for MS to get its own marketing in gear
in answer to the OPs question, is it possible to avoid metro?
the answer is yes and no, you need to use metro as a start menu which is essentially EXACTLY what it is, then you don't have to use any metro apps. you could use a more inefficient start menu as mentioned above or if you don't want a third party program you can pin a shortcut to your start menu folder on your task bar, clicking on it will open up the "start menu" which doesn't have that much less functionality than the old start menu but is utterly crap compared to the new one
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yep a better argument against windows 8 is the lack of metro on multi monitors. Or how the Server tools will not load AD in 32bit mode meaning i have to run a vm to administer exchange 2003 (only thing i now cant do even vmware is now fixed (veeam needs update but if you dont use it vmware works)).
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Again. I like the speed, and new things.
But the layout? Garbage. Change is NOT needed for things to be new. We've had the same layout for 15+ years nearly.
Hell, **** steering wheels. Let's add a small ball you turn with your head. Why not? Don't complain, accept change.
That's basically what some of you are saying.
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Again. I like the speed, and new things.
But the layout? Garbage. Change is NOT needed for things to be new. We've had the same layout for 15+ years nearly.
Hell, **** steering wheels. Let's add a small ball you turn with your head. Why not? Don't complain, accept change.
That's basically what some of you are saying.
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When the current layout of the modern automobile came out it was really unpopular and people said it would never take on.
I don't get why you think the layout is garbage but each to there own. What I see is a way that is much much faster and easier to get to what I need quickly. In the old start menu I had to click all programs find the top folder open that to a sub list then find what I wanted. No its there straight away. That's 4 clicks down to 2 and I can lay it out by whatever means I like not in alphabetical order. For example my machine at work is separated into categories tools, programs, office, documents, personal (games and kindle etc for lunch break), remote desktops and power options. means if I need something fast its right there I can pin documents as well as terminal servers to my start next to my software.
I would really love someone to explain quite how they think a list with sub lists is a better more productive method because I really don't see it.
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Again. I like the speed, and new things.
But the layout? Garbage. Change is NOT needed for things to be new. We've had the same layout for 15+ years nearly.
Hell, **** steering wheels. Let's add a small ball you turn with your head. Why not? Don't complain, accept change.
That's basically what some of you are saying.
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what layout? desktop is there, the task bar is there, the start menu is significantly enhanced but is still there, you don't have to use metro and its apps if don't want to, and if that is so the metro interface becomes an interactive start menu that takes no more time to open than the old start menu, and is much quicker to load programs as and when you need them
it DOES take a bit of getting used to but once you get the hang of it its great and much more efficient, I have nothing to gain from trying to show people that perhaps what they have read or experienced for 5 min isn't the be all and end all of Win 8.
If you choose not to open your mind to the possibility that win 8 is actually pretty efficient when you get the hang of it then its no skin off my nose. That would simply be your loss but if you have based your decision from nothing but the words of others and perhaps a 5 min or even a couple of days trial on your own then your decision is a fail and your opinion is worthless.
If you have used it for a good while then I would have thought that the other issues Win 8 has would be the first things you bring up against it, but these issues are rarely mentioned by those that have not used it much, probably because they never used it long enough to experience them, which is why we get fed up with pointless "metro" comments with no further substance
Using your analogy of a daft car reference, if I dropped you in to a Bugatti Veyron as it were your first experience in a car, you would need to learn to use the obscenely powerful car for a while, getting to know it before taking it for a spin around the Nurburg ring . Not learning to use it and spinning off and crashing every 5 min wouldn't be fun so unless you learnt to use it you would never enjoy it.
The simple answer is Windows 7.
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Basically. I'm only switching to W8 as long as I can get rid of that crappy start screen, add a start button, boot straight to the desktop so I can actually get stuff done quickly like I have for the...past 10 years
I've seen that you can add a start button, but is there anyway to remove any of the other crap?
Honestly I feel like I am better just using W7 till they get it right (hopefully) with W9. Or whatever they'll call it. But, I've heard it is faster.
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A: Pin your desktop apps you use all the time to the task bar. Duh.
B: If you have ever launched an app from the desktop you have used the new "metro garbage". Most users don't even use the Start Menu but if you took away their full-screen launcher (the desktop) they would be lost.
C: Since it was introduced, the Start Menu has changed with EVERY release of Windows. Windows 7 Start Menu is not the Windows 95 Start Menu
Most people only multi-task between two applications and multiple studies (totally unrelated to Microsoft) have found that people are LESS productive when they multitask.
Don't even get me started about your claims of "get stuff done quickly" related to classic Windows, according to every study ever done on that matter, if you were worried about "getting stuff done quickly" you would be using a Mac. There has never been a study that shows people are more productive on Windows than on a Mac.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/10/pokki-brings-the-start-menu-back-to-windows-8/
Just install this and you'll be back to normal
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http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/10/pokki-brings-the-start-menu-back-to-windows-8/
Just install this and you'll be back to normal
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install that and .....have a seizure
each to their own I guess but I cant for the life of me work out why anyone would want to take a 3rd part app that looks like a malformed, limp bastardized love child of Win 98 and Metro over the efficient informative metro that is already there.
I must be getting too old to understand all this "living in the past" new age nonsense
Ways to avoid Metro:
Launch programs from Windows Explorer (hell, leave Explorer open to the Start Menu folders if you really want to).
Launch programs from the taskbar (after pinning them there).
Launch programs from the desktop (all too many programs still try put themselves there by default).
Launch programs using Run (Win+R, same as on basically every other Windows version).
Launch programs using the command line (cmd.exe or Powershell, yes, they're both present).
Launch programs using the Address toolbar for the taskbar.
Close your eyes, hit the Windows key, type the first few letters of a program name, and hit Enter, while pretending you're on Win7 (or even Vista, which added this feature).
I honestly don't get this fixation on "Metro" (in quotes because of Microsoft's stupid name-games). It's honestly almost irrelevant to my WIn8 experience; I use this OS in pretty much the same way I've used all other NT6.x versions, using Start as little more than an unusually large search box with a really handy one-click access. It got a bit bigger in this version, and accessing "Settings" or files now takes a couple more clicks than is used to, but otherwise it's functionally the same for me. I did find the Charms bar a little confusing, for the first 5 minutes. Now I simply know to use it for things like accessing the power controls, and it's no big deal at all.
Another windows millenium
arczangel said:
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I'm sticking with W7
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http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/10/pokki-brings-the-start-menu-back-to-windows-8/
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I kinda like the look of it, don't think I'd ever use it on my Win 8 Install when I upgrade as it looks more confusing than Metro, I'll probably use Start8 in combination with Metro until I get used to Metro though.
As the video what I watche yesterday it looks a tad confusing finding certain things as they are tucked away in wierd places.
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I just want to know from anyone who had tried WP8 if the task switch is still slow for 3rd party apps, like in WP7.5?
Especially for messaging apps like Whatsapp or Viber. In WP7.5, it is very slow to resume.
That is because the apps are poorly written. My game has np resuming.
No, messenger apps run in background, so do location apps and no aps can resume from the start screen
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I guess this should answer the question. As you can see, the app resumes at the state where you left it. It is really nice to see that. So these damn annoying loading times (except for first loading) are now a thing from the past.
Loading times / fast app resuming
Thanks for the answer. I will choose WP8 for my upcoming phone then.
I'm currently have WP 7.5 phone and also sick with loading times when switching apps.
You know you can switch between apps without having to re-load them...right?
Yes I know, using arrow button right?. But sometimes when we receive toast message (for me, mostly from whatsapp), I just press the toast message and it will launch the apps from beginning and it is very slow to show the message compare with similar condition in Android or iPhone.
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I guess this should answer the question. As you can see, the app resumes at the state where you left it. It is really nice to see that. So these damn annoying loading times (except for first loading) are now a thing from the past.
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but the app resume its only if the app is one of the 8 "multi-tasking" right? If you have an app (for instance facebook) opened on the day before without rebooting the phone and opening for instance 30 diferent apps in the between that app wont be fast right? It has to "slow load" again, right?
Instant app resume has to be coded into the apps by the devs for WP8 it doesn't happen automatically. A lot of the current apps do not currently support this.
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tfouto said:
but the app resume its only if the app is one of the 8 "multi-tasking" right? If you have an app (for instance facebook) opened on the day before without rebooting the phone and opening for instance 30 diferent apps in the between that app wont be fast right? It has to "slow load" again, right?
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As I and several others have said, the app needs to be coded to support this feature.
morpheuszg said:
I guess this should answer the question. As you can see, the app resumes at the state where you left it. It is really nice to see that. So these damn annoying loading times (except for first loading) are now a thing from the past.
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mcosmin222 said:
As I and several others have said, the app needs to be coded to support this feature.
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yes i know that. But windows 7.5 already had instant resume. Is this new functionality only when pressing the tile again instead of going via task-switcher?
tfouto said:
yes i know that. But windows 7.5 already had instant resume. Is this new functionality only when pressing the tile again instead of going via task-switcher?
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Task-Switcher is still there for all Apps. Some Apps can now be fast-resumed from the Tile. Aside from that App startup times have improved because of several things:
Faster Hardware (obviously)
Pre-Compilation of MSIL to Machine Code in the Cloud
Faster network stack (especially for Apps like Facebook that do remote calls on startup)
Just tried this with the new FB app that is optimized for WP8. So I opened FB, and went to the home screen and then opened nearly every app on the phone and made sure that it wasn't in the "deck of cards" multitasking. I then hit the FB tile on my home screen and sure enough it opened right away to where I was at. There wasn't a "resuming" screen or anything.
So like the others have said, if the app is optimized for it (like FB) then it works without a hitch.
Though I must say even on apps not optimized the "resuming" or "loading" screen is soooo short that you barely have the time to even read it.
Overall, I have an LG Nitro HD running CM10 and I have an HTC 8x. The 8x is WAY faster opening apps and just overall speed. Not to mention battery life. ( I know, off subject )
tfouto said:
yes i know that. But windows 7.5 already had instant resume. Is this new functionality only when pressing the tile again instead of going via task-switcher?
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It can be both, depending on how you code the app.
You can see the loading screen for a split second, then go right where you were if the developer so decides to. In fact, the developer can even show you po*n while it loads, so you can't really say if the app did or did not instantly load.
You can also use the task switcher.
Anyway, reload times should be fast even if you go through the loading screen. The only problem would be at first run, when the MSIL code has to be turned into machine code. After that the app should be significantly faster.
mcosmin222 said:
It can be both, depending on how you code the app.
You can see the loading screen for a split second, then go right where you were if the developer so decides to. In fact, the developer can even show you po*n while it loads, so you can't really say if the app did or did not instantly load.
You can also use the task switcher.
Anyway, reload times should be fast even if you go through the loading screen. The only problem would be at first run, when the MSIL code has to be turned into machine code. After that the app should be significantly faster.
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Well lets hope developers from now on will just start making wp8 native code apps...
Microsoft does the MSIL => JIT compilation now in the Store, so it deploys precompiled Assemblys to the phone. There are actually articles out there that explain how you can enable/disable that behavior when working with the emulator to see the difference.
Still native code will be faster and "more predictable" in it's runtime behavior, due to lots of checks not being implemented (Out of Bounds at every array access, Garbage Collection, etc.) The downside is that native apps tend to be more error prone (mainly because you can do many things the CLR would not allow for good reason).
StevieBallz said:
Microsoft does the MSIL => JIT compilation now in the Store, so it deploys precompiled Assemblys to the phone. There are actually articles out there that explain how you can enable/disable that behavior when working with the emulator to see the difference.
Still native code will be faster and "more predictable" in it's runtime behavior, due to lots of checks not being implemented (Out of Bounds at every array access, Garbage Collection, etc.) The downside is that native apps tend to be more error prone (mainly because you can do many things the CLR would not allow for good reason).
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You can still avoid many CLR exception checks if your code your app properly.
I don't think C++ will phase out C# as far as windows phone is concerned. C# is way more viable and stable and a few nanoseconds here and there won't be as annoying as an app crashing in the middle of your work, without any apparent reason.
mcosmin222 said:
You can still avoid many CLR exception checks if your code your app properly.
I don't think C++ will phase out C# as far as windows phone is concerned. C# is way more viable and stable and a few nanoseconds here and there won't be as annoying as an app crashing in the middle of your work, without any apparent reason.
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well is it really only a few nanoseconds? IPhone 5 especially apps loading are blazing fast. WP apps are "slow" by comparisation... Maybe when all windows phones are quad-core loading times are no longer a issue, and C# its ok then...
Yes, it is just a few nanoseconds.
Trust me, if an app is well written, the startup time shouldn't be more than 2-3 seconds.
And if it is bad written, it doesn't matter how much C++ you use in it, it won't make any difference.
well on iphone5 it usually 1-2 seconds... Maybe it's a faster processor...