That looks cool. Isn't it like microsoft surface? I just wish a phone could do this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqDQ0wUcSPQ&feature=related
That looks like a normal computer, not a mobile device.
Edit: Nevermind.... I guess I should read your post before replying
A phone CAN do this. It's called iPhone.
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A phone CAN do this. It's called iPhone.
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Well, the iPhone is more of a nancy-boy fashion accessory than a real phone...
Theres a lot of pretty (but useless) stuff it can do, but a lot of basic useful stuff it can't.
Check the flame wars in other threads etc.
Anywhoo..The Windows 7 OS will be another flop like Vista I expect. Pretty and touchscreen-enabled, but ultimately pointless and sacrificing aesthetics over usability (*cough* iPhone)
You Are The Best!
snachez said:
Well, the iPhone is more of a nancy-boy fashion accessory than a real phone...
Theres a lot of pretty (but useless) stuff it can do, but a lot of basic useful stuff it can't.
Check the flame wars in other threads etc.
Anywhoo..The Windows 7 OS will be another flop like Vista I expect. Pretty and touchscreen-enabled, but ultimately pointless and sacrificing aesthetics over usability (*cough* iPhone)
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AS I READ THROUGH THE FORUM COMMENTS I HAVE TO SAY THAT EACH TIME I COME ACROSS YOUR 2 CENTS I ACTUALLY LOL...I LOVE IT! YOU ARE THE BEST.
At first I thought it was a WM7 post. Whats the point of this thread? Nothing to do with Pocket PC's.
Mod please lock this mother down.
CraZyLiLbOy said:
That looks cool. Isn't it like microsoft surface? I just wish a phone could do this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqDQ0wUcSPQ&feature=related
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if you talking about windows seven surface computing then here are few applications for ppc like surface computer based on single touch..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417256
moddin said:
At first I thought it was a WM7 post. Whats the point of this thread? Nothing to do with Pocket PC's.
Mod please lock this mother down.
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Don't you know how to read? How could it be for wm when he capitalized PC
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A phone CAN do this. It's called iPhone.
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I can zoom on my Diamond with ONE finger. Owned!
wow....this has nothing to do with WM....this thread has no place in general discussion, let alone development and hacking....OP, you fail....
yerp said:
wow....this has nothing to do with WM....this thread has no place in general discussion, let alone development and hacking....OP, you fail....
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Don`t you have nothing better to do other than being a smartass? That's why I made a thread in this section because that's what it is, development and hacking, isn't it? What im trying to ask is, is there an application that does this kind of things? Simple as that.
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I can zoom on my Diamond with ONE finger. Owned!
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Then you have to press for a second to be able to move the picture around. You're owned!
snachez said:
Well, the iPhone is more of a nancy-boy fashion accessory than a real phone...
Theres a lot of pretty (but useless) stuff it can do, but a lot of basic useful stuff it can't.
Check the flame wars in other threads etc.
Anywhoo..The Windows 7 OS will be another flop like Vista I expect. Pretty and touchscreen-enabled, but ultimately pointless and sacrificing aesthetics over usability (*cough* iPhone)
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oh thats funny Why do you say it will be a flop? Every system that comes out at first has huge problems. 2000, XP, Vista
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Anywhoo..The Windows 7 OS will be another flop like Vista I expect. Pretty and touchscreen-enabled, but ultimately pointless and sacrificing aesthetics over usability (*cough* iPhone)
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Vista only flops for the users that don't know what they're doing...or are running minimal hardware.
Yeah, I'm running Vista x64 and I'm loving it. I don't have the slightest problem with it. It's not slow or unstable at all.
I'm running Vista x64 and XP. Vista is great to me. And so is XP.
you have to admit this DOES require at least a bit flaming... i mean... this really has nothing to do with PDAs...
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oh thats funny Why do you say it will be a flop? Every system that comes out at first has huge problems. 2000, XP, Vista
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It'll be a flop becasue they a running scared from Apple and the Linux Guys, and instead of actually innovating some new usability, they're just prettying up the interface and giving it more wow factor. I'd prefer more usability than a fancy alt-tab or fading close button. The underlying codebase of Vista is what, 2 or 3 times the size XP. And what does it do that XP cant ? Nothing (except make you bang your head with DRM and UAC.) Newer doesn't always mean better.
OTOH... Why do you think it will be a success ? If MS was a sports team, you'd say they are in a very bad slump right now, and with their head coach of 20+ years leaving.. wheres the upside ?
Not wanting to troll - but for every 1 thing MS has done well with in Vista, I'll show you 5 that Linux or OSX can do better.
@ Vhender : Thanks man
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It'll be a flop becasue they a running scared from Apple and the Linux Guys, and instead of actually innovating some new usability, they're just prettying up the interface and giving it more wow factor. I'd prefer more usability than a fancy alt-tab or fading close button. The underlying codebase of Vista is what, 2 or 3 times the size XP. And what does it do that XP cant ? Nothing (except make you bang your head with DRM and UAC.) Newer doesn't always mean better.
OTOH... Why do you think it will be a success ? If MS was a sports team, you'd say they are in a very bad slump right now, and with their head coach of 20+ years leaving.. wheres the upside ?
Not wanting to troll - but for every 1 thing MS has done well with in Vista, I'll show you 5 that Linux or OSX can do better.
@ Vhender : Thanks man
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I won't say that Windows is better or at least Vista but one thing for sure is that Novell (Linux) and windows are working together to build a unified OS with the best functions of both platforms.
Suse currently implemented a lot of features that Windows Server has had for a while and Windows is just starting to interoperability with different Linux Shells (Which I think are way better than Windows in some circumstances)
The other Linux platforms such as Fedora are doing a great job of implementing a user friend GUI with the functions of a fully functional Server.
But until other companies manage to build more software that functions well with Linux on a Desktop and Server level I will stick with Windows, especially for server operating systems.
I currently run Vista, XP, Windows Server 2008, and Fedora Core 9. All in a Virtual PC environment.
aydc said:
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i think it's pronounced vapoware!
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Yes, its true, HTC is officially abandoning the windows platform!
What next?
SOURCE:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/htc_new_strategy/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=64741
UPDATE:
Sources are confirming the adoption of the linux platform or symbian platform. Its most probably not going to take massive shape this year, but by next year we will see a significant change.
^^ Sources
register article is referring to smartphone platform only! maybe pda platform will remain with MS...
ItalianTytan said:
register article is referring to smartphone platform only! maybe pda platform will remain with MS...
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"smartphone" is generally used also for devices with touchscreen...
I think HTC is afraid of MS doing again what they have done with the media players business: they used other hardware vendors to create market perception and later they went for their own product (Zune) with a different DRM and left the "PlaysForSure" clan with cold feet.
Now that Apple has its own branded phone Microsoft will have to have a MS branded phone soon and that could mean bye bye to HTC and the other vendors, so better jump ship before it's too late.
This announcement could also be only a warning to MS; at the moment HTC is practically the only company in the world that could throw a blow at Microsoft: without HTC the MS market share in smartphones would fall to a level of insignificance and they would have to rebuild their mobile phone market share from scratch.
Btw, is there any other OS than wm6 that we can port into right now like linux or something, I really love trying stuff like this out. Is there any way to put s60 v3 or even linux onto my trinity?
AkshayGenius said:
Btw, is there any other OS than wm6 that we can port into right now like linux or something, I really love trying stuff like this out. Is there any way to put s60 v3 or even linux onto my trinity?
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There's a Linux kernel out there somewhere - iPaQ 3900 was the last device I saw it working on eons ago...
AkshayGenius,
check Hermes forum, haret supports Trinity and semi-bootable kernel exists.
Doesn't boot completely on Hermes or Trinity so far.
hope some good UI os will come out soon!
i really dont wanna buy iphone..... unless HTC can come out better UI os...
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"smartphone" is generally used also for devices with touchscreen...
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Not really, in terms of Windows Mobile devices and WM5, you had the Pocket PC and Smartphone edition, the latter of which is on devices without touch screen e.g. HTC Meteor, Canary, Tanager etc.
I don't know if you mean "generally" as in all devices that are smartphonish on the market - you've got a lot that's not touch screen there too e.g. N95.
El_Mariachi said:
Not really, in terms of Windows Mobile devices and WM5, you had the Pocket PC and Smartphone edition, the latter of which is on devices without touch screen e.g. HTC Meteor, Canary, Tanager etc.
I don't know if you mean "generally" as in all devices that are smartphonish on the market - you've got a lot that's not touch screen there too e.g. N95.
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With "generally" I mean what you read in market researches. When you read about the Symbian market share that includes both S60 (no touchscreen) and UIQ (touchscreen) phones. Same goes for Windows Mobile.
The term "smartphone" was not invented by microsoft (did they ever invent anything? ) and it means "phone where you can install and use third party software beyond java applets" as opposed to "feature phone" where you can only use what is preinstalled in the phone (and only add Java applets).
So can anybody make an OS which I for ex can put on my p3600 for ex.
AkshayGenius said:
Yes, its true, HTC is officially abandoning the windows platform!
What next?
SOURCE:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/htc_new_strategy/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=64741
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HTC has the best position in the market because of the Windows line. When they abandone the Windows platform, they give their market share to HP for example.
HTC also knows that Microsoft integrates everything from Office, Exchange, VOIP, Sharepoint to Live, etc.
Saying one thing and do some expirements with Linux, puts the pressure on Microsoft for nice deals (cheaper OS) for more HTC profit.
I haven't looked for other sources, but, a reading of the article hardly supports the assertion that HTC is "officially abandoning" WM. I mean, the ONLY quote just says they're "looking at" other OS's.
Talk about exaggeration.
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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Indeed so! BSD is now a reality on the iPhone - the mind boggles at how the market could look in 12 months. Mind you, I still prefer my Trinity to the iPhone but am particularly peeved that HTC haven't seen fit to officlally release WM6 for it.
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
qubit76 said:
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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If HTC would evolve a bit and embrace the 3rd party app model present on the iPhone, enhance it a bit and add support for fetching data from hardware components like gps modules, not like java, but something like Adobe® AIR™ for mobile devices with offline capabilities, that would be great foe everybody, most of the apps we use are for improving/replacing the poorly designed windows mobile apps&interface, other can be fully replaced by web apps, codewallet for example, imagine it with offline and online modes, sync between both, and you have your passwords accessible on any device or desktop, multimedia editing is also possible using flash and server-side code, like picnik.com, so, it would be necessary to create new apps, but this new model would be far better than the current one, it would also eliminate the need for manual app updating, it would... heh, make cracking impossible, so, good for the devs for that and also for the easier&cheaper development(VS not needed, html+css+flash+javascript+rails[heh ]), it would also give HTC the freedom to create a sleek GUI(compiz and stuff?) since its easier to replace the linux gui than wmobile, no licensing fees from ms i think.
ericlin0122 said:
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
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Ha Ha Haaaa... I like that
Lets all bombard the ubuntu guyz with emails demanding a mobile version of ubuntu for ppc and all then finally we'll get what we want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEA!
ericlin0122 said:
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
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Funny you should say that. Have a look at this: http://www.wired.com/software/coolapps/news/2007/07/iphoney. In the article it mentions just this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded.
So Ubuntu mobile coming in October. As soon as a good GPS navigation software release for Ubuntu comes out - I'm trying it.
Just a friendly discussion, so my question is why do yous till use WM if you do, with Android, WP7 and IOS out their, why stick with WM?
cause i enjoy every minute i use my HD2 with WM-CHT2.0
for my WP7 is an incognita, can anybody please provide a link for WP7 secreenshots?
Android is fine, my kids love playing angrybirds all time! but WM is for me, its adult games ...
poyensa said:
[SNIP]WM is for me, its adult...[/SNIP]
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.....OS
Android is for kids/teenagers
Reason 1 WM integrates flawlessly with my windows PC ,office ect..
Reason 2 WM has TOMTOM Satnav and it works flawlessly with my WM device just load the software and your ready to go .
The reasons could go on and on but i gave you my most important two
Unlike my daughter just purchased a iPhone 3gs loaded on TomTom and found out to my disgust that you need the car GPS Dock to make it work as integrated GPS don't work with the app (Don't get me started on iphone sh*t)
OS!!
still using WM 6.5/6.5x.
Android is for kids and WP7 is immature..
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WP7 is immature..
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couldnt of said it better myself.lol
+1
How is android fo kids??? And I can see how wp7 isnt fully matured yet.
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WM rulez!
HD2 with NRGZ WM ROM and CHT 2.0 is the best !!!
WM7 is crap, IOS is a toy, android is garbage....
my 2 cents
solidkevin said:
How is android fo kids???
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look at it lol
So you are going by looks only and not functionality?
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i dont just judge an OS on looks, i judge it on many of things, 1 of which being functionality..
i wasnt really impressed with android, simple as
raving_nanza said:
i dont just judge an OS on looks, i judge it on many of things, 1 of which being functionality..
i wasnt really impressed with android, simple as
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Oh ok cause you said look at it, I thought you meant looks, imo android does anything and everything but it has its flaws, iphone is nice and simple but a little too restrictive. And wp7 is hands down the best UI around imo, simple, clean and elegant, missing funtionality and support though at this stage. As for WM I think its a fine OS but too slow for my tastes and it seems like it never matured into full touch UI. Symbian is real functional but so damn slow and ugly UI.
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In my experiences. I love WM then another other OS and will keep in first place of my favorite list ever.
WM functions are very similar to Windows OS. You can do what ever you want, as a developer or as a user. If you are from Windows PC, then you won't be liking android, iOS or even WP7.
Android has good graphics and speed but it feels like a beta software. Cannot trust it.
WP7 is very simple and basic but Still lacks lots of things. I didn't expected MS will do such a bad thing. Better if they stood in WM interface itself.
iOS, I have no comments about it as I haven't used much.
To say in one line, android, WP7, iOS and etc (except WM of course) developers are trying to keep users in there custody!
This never happened in WM, users of it were very free to use, as if they made there own OS.
WM has something that you cannot express but feels in heart when using. Android is my second option though.
Thanks...
Best Regards
solidkevin said:
As for WM I think its a fine OS but too slow for my tastes and it seems like it never matured into full touch UI. Symbian is real functional but so damn slow and ugly UI.
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Because its a Win CE core which operates from 1x1 pixel tap (i.e stylus). Its same as a cursor present in PC. Later on, MS and HTC tried to make it better Touch Sensitive. Though it wasn't very successful because the core and kernel didn't match the latest hardware. If you know about VM in WM, you probably also knowing it doesn't have much space. Even though the physical memory (RAM) has enough space, multiple apps load slow and its because VM is lacking space. Thats the major fall in WM.
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B-E-A-utifull
'cause i dont have money to buy an iphone
you can setup what if you want on your Wm.but i have never used Anroid operation system.
in my opinion best reason is wm useful for you(office,gps,internet..)
I learnt the Win32 programming model so that I could use the original Embedded Tools 3.0 to create native C++ ARM Windows Mobile 2002 programs.
It was a long hard slog, involving studying the shell "Hello World" program as created by the project wizard, and then trying to figure out what the hell was going on. Embedded C++ 4.0 came along later for WM2003. The accumulated skills could then be used later in Visual Studio, for creating Win32 PC programs, and being able to port applications from one platform to the other, in either direction!
Microsoft have made a total mess of the transfer to Phone 7, with the complete change of programming model, being one of the most crass moves they have ever pulled. Phone 7 was too little, far too late which allowed the opposition to run away with the advantage. Microsoft will never get that back.
Windows CE and Windows Mobile are still good solid operating systems, tried and tested, even if they are a little long in the tooth. Win32 programming may be considered very old hat these days, but the programs run like a bat out of hell.
Android is also pretty stable, being based on a Linux core, and it's improving, but to learn Android development means starting from scratch, almost from the "Hello World" example above. Do I really want to start all over again? Maybe, mañana........ Fortunately, there is not much difference between C# and Java code, so the transition may not be that painful.
Update: Currently studying some of the stuff in the Android SDK........ At the "What the hell does this do?" stage again.
Windows Mobile lives on as Windows Embedded Handheld, but this is now primarily for line of business devices.
Have look at the current WinMo devices sold by Expansys here in the UK
Update: WinMo 6.x has been dropped as a separate category, you have to specifically search for Windows Mobile. There is the HD2/HD2 Mini and some rather expensive near indestructible rubber armoured devices.
How long before HTC drops the HD2?
I like WM because of it's flexibility, the fact that it's an open platform with lots of freeware and it's ability to function without a Google, Itunes or whatever account. You buy it, charge the battery, put in a sim card and there you go. No activation no nothing. That's simply the way it should be. Oh and by the way: Call me crazy but I actually like the UI of WM. It always offers multiple ways to do something. And lots of possibilities to customize your device of course.
i recently traded in my touch pro2 for the sensation...i didn't give up on wm, but microsoft did...i loved that platform...so versatile yet so misunderstood...
this android platform ain't too shabby tho...it's not wm but not too shabby indeed...
my signature pic says it all.....
I was just curious about what you think about Windows 8. So I started this poll to see it in percent.
Please comment about what you think of it
This is a desktop operating system. It does not belong on XDA-Developers.com
They've even said that developers will have to write different versions of their apps for ARM platform because of battery requirements. This will not run on a XDA device and it's out of place on XDA. Desktops are not personal or cellular digital assistants(XDAs).
Please add my option, I'll select it.
Wait... scratch that.... Add in the "I want a Linux forum" and "I want a mac forum"
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This is a desktop operating system. It does not belong on XDA-Developers.com
They've even said that developers will have to write different versions of their apps for ARM platform because of battery requirements. This will not run on a XDA device and it's out of place on XDA. Desktops are not personal or cellular digital assistants(XDAs).
Please add my option, I'll select it.
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Wait... scratch that.... Add in the "I want a Linux forum" and "I want a mac forum"
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Stop acting like a troll and get a life. First you need to educate yourself about what XDA are all about. second before running your mouth like a child, research Microsoft's roadmap. Microsoft intend to merge there desktop and mobile operating systems by windows 9 or 10. By then there will be no windows phone. Just one unified platform. Furthermore you already know that Microsoft have added support for ARM architecture already into windows 8, which will allow the OS to be ported to a number of mobile devices. Not just tablets.
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Desktops are not personal or cellular digital assistants(XDAs)
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XDA Developers have nothing to do with personal digital assistants. When the community was founded as a HTC development forum. The first device the admins got hold of was an 02 UK HTC Device. Back then the O2 HTC devices were branded XDA. Hence the name........
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Stop acting like a troll and get a life. First you need to educate yourself about what XDA are all about. second before running your mouth like a child, research Microsoft's roadmap. Microsoft intend to merge there desktop and mobile operating systems by windows 9 or 10. By then there will be no windows phone. Just one unified platform. Furthermore you already know that Microsoft have added support for ARM architecture already into windows 8, which will allow the OS to be ported to a number of mobile devices. Not just tablets.
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XDA Developers have nothing to do with personal digital assistants. When the community was founded as a HTC development forum. The first device the admins got hold of was an 02 UK HTC Device. Back then the O2 HTC devices were branded XDA. Hence the name........
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Yep.. cross digital assistant. XDA.
A desktop operating system has nothing to do with a digital assistant.
I installed it on my 3 year old netbook yesterday... Its a preview but its not a great one. Not much works...
What did work:
-IE10
-Control panel
-Desktop tile
-Internet tile
-resize tile move tiles delete tiles
-windows 7 desktop is very much there.
-UI metro? IS basically just skinned over windows7. I have no experience with windows7 so i dont know how close it is.
Did not work:
-most of the tiles that looked fun
-resolution was locked at 800x600
- no options to change resolution
-no microsoft updates. it was there but obviously does not connect to updates
-limited wallpaper.
My netbook is obviously very very minimum spec so the expreince was very slow and sluggish..
I could mouse click to simulate some finger gestures.
Re-installed XP about an hour later
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reinstalled xp why not linux? , the only reason i use windows is , because one of the programs as a mechanic needs windows on my laptop(techstream). anything other than that i use linux.
this is my opinion, please do not treat it as a flame/troll post
to each his own.
absolutely no issues here. everything works and work awesome! microsoft updates works and they just released 6 updated today that make it even better i honestly love it... im tired of the same old boring crap
bulletproof1013 said:
reinstalled xp why not linux? , the only reason i use windows is , because one of the programs as a mechanic needs windows on my laptop(techstream). anything other than that i use linux.
this is my opinion, please do not treat it as a flame/troll post
to each his own.
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I like it and I think it'll only get better. I like what Microsoft is doing, because I feel eventually most of peoples' main computers will end up being touch-based tablets anyway. And the one thing that's kept me from purchasing a tablet is not being able to play with a full operating system. While I feel Windows 8 won't be totally full, I think it'll fall between something like iOS and Android and a full windows operating system to where it integrates well on a tablet.
I do feel they need to change some things up on the regular desktop/explorer experience is it feels more well with the Metro theme.
I'm still waiting for things like Windows Media Player tiles and such that update songs.
I have to say i am supprised that this sub forum is on here just now, yes Win8 Will run on ARM but it doesnt now, and to my knowledge there isnt any available win8 OS that will just yet.
I have no doubt that at some point we wil have access to the ARM Windows OS and that development will begin in porting it in to our devices, but it is somewhat early to be talking about it, it might be even easier than we think, given that MS has a long tradition of dumping gigabytes of drivers on its install disks
Still, it does no harm so theres no point ranting on about it, just a wee bit supprised its up so early, is someone getting a bit too excited perhaps?
I'm not sure if I could use it as a desktop system but as a tablet OS could it work.
I would like to buy a tablet because I like the idea and the portability of them. My problem with the at the moment available tablets is that they are big phones.
With Win8 we could have a "big" OS on a tablet (I know there are Win7 tablets but they are not really good) and that could be really interesting.
I can't vote at the moment because I don't like what I have to choose. "Could be interesting" would be the right answer for me.
Stop saying it does not belong or it is to early for xda whe don't know nothing what windows 8 can do until the final release.. maybe all will be verry surprized
Nebucatnetzer said:
I'm not sure if I could use it as a desktop system but as a tablet OS could it work.
I would like to buy a tablet because I like the idea and the portability of them. My problem with the at the moment available tablets is that they are big phones.
With Win8 we could have a "big" OS on a tablet (I know there are Win7 tablets but they are not really good) and that could be really interesting.
I can't vote at the moment because I don't like what I have to choose. "Could be interesting" would be the right answer for me.
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I have added Could be interesting...
I think it's pretty cool.
I installed it on my MacBook Pro {under Parallels 7} and I can't seem to get the internet settings to work, it doesn't read the wireless card and I have failed to get the applications to open {Sudoku et al}
dakommonklod said:
I installed it on my MacBook Pro {under Parallels 7} and I can't seem to get the internet settings to work, it doesn't read the wireless card and I have failed to get the applications to open {Sudoku et al}
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Some of the html5 apps don't work
as for parallels not sure
dakommonklod said:
I installed it on my MacBook Pro {under Parallels 7} and I can't seem to get the internet settings to work, it doesn't read the wireless card and I have failed to get the applications to open {Sudoku et al}
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Try it on Virtualbox. Maybe that will work.
To be honest, from what ive read of Win8 it all sounds very good, Metro aside that is, i quite like metro from a tablet point of view but thats about as far as ive gotten with it
It would be ubber cool if they can "clone" a desktop display to a tablet, it would make for an ultimate remote control for a media centre oh and allow computers to be media centre extenders
yeah i know various remote desktop clients are out there but none of them (correct me if im wrong) will also display videos and give the same level of UI response, it needs a hodgepodge of 3rd party tools to get it working and even then with a laggy control.
I think its beautiful
Will there be a Windows 8 effort for this tablet since the developer preview is out?
I don't recall seeing an arm version for download... so I doubt it so far
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According to this, it'll support ARM.
http://www.windows8news.com/2011/01/05/windows-8-arm-press-release-microsoft/
agentfazexx said:
According to this, it'll support ARM.
http://www.windows8news.com/2011/01/05/windows-8-arm-press-release-microsoft/
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While it will support ARM, no developer preview of the ARM OS has been released as of yet.
Even if Win 8 supports ARM, will the T20 powerful enough to handle it? I know Windows is quite a big clunky thing, no enough horsepower, even if you put it on, it's not going to drive. We'll have to have some sort of uniform performance measure to determine that the T20 is as powerful as those x86s that run Win 8 smoothly to say it will happen and it could be appreciated. But anyways, I'll say, if win 8 actually can run on our Tab, that's only a great news for everyone.
ctiger said:
Even if Win 8 supports ARM, will the T20 powerful enough to handle it? I know Windows is quite a big clunky thing, no enough horsepower, even if you put it on, it's not going to drive. We'll have to have some sort of uniform performance measure to determine that the T20 is as powerful as those x86s that run Win 8 smoothly to say it will happen and it could be appreciated. But anyways, I'll say, if win 8 actually can run on our Tab, that's only a great news for everyone.
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The ARM version will not be the exact same version as what will be running on the X86 platform.
If you'd care to educate yourself about the many different ARM procs that it will run on, have a look here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon
Short answer, no. Long answer, see above.
kjy2010 said:
The ARM version will not be the exact same version as what will be running on the X86 platform.
If you'd care to educate yourself about the many different ARM procs that it will run on, have a look here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon
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Good to know. Thanks man.
I'd like to point out if this were done none of the software you have now for windows will not work since mostly have no support for arm processor.
I know I know I have wet dreams myself thinking about walking about playing starcraft 2 and valve games
BrianDigital said:
I'd like to point out if this were done none of the software you have now for windows will not work since mostly have no support for arm processor.
I know I know I have wet dreams myself thinking about walking about playing starcraft 2 and valve games
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Hahahaha so do I. I guess VDI will have to do...
agentfazexx said:
Hahahaha so do I. I guess VDI will have to do...
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Vdi?
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First its said that windows 8 will be able to run on as little as 128mb. And why would you want to replace the Android OS with anything by Microsoft??
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ctiger said:
Even if Win 8 supports ARM, will the T20 powerful enough to handle it? I know Windows is quite a big clunky thing, no enough horsepower, even if you put it on, it's not going to drive. We'll have to have some sort of uniform performance measure to determine that the T20 is as powerful as those x86s that run Win 8 smoothly to say it will happen and it could be appreciated. But anyways, I'll say, if win 8 actually can run on our Tab, that's only a great news for everyone.
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BrianDigital said:
Vdi?
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Google it. It's a VMware technology.
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First its said that windows 8 will be able to run on as little as 128mb. And why would you want to replace the Android OS with anything by Microsoft??
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Microsoft is a standard.
agentfazexx said:
Microsoft is a standard.
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Microsoft is a big standard in the PC World, in the phone and tablet world, not so much. Android is more of a standard bearer in those two worlds than Windows is; at least for now.
dscribe said:
Microsoft is a big standard in the PC World, in the phone and tablet world, not so much. Android is more of a standard bearer in those two worlds than Windows is; at least for now.
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Well tablets are becoming the new laptops.
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Well tablets are becoming the new laptops.
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To some degree you are right. And Microsoft finds itself behind on this platform trying to play catch-up. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Microsoft basher like some, but Android has a major head-start in this field so far.
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To some degree you are right. And Microsoft finds itself behind on this platform trying to play catch-up. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Microsoft basher like some, but Android has a major head-start in this field so far.
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Yes, Google has somewhat of a head start in the mobile market, however Microsoft has a head start in the OS market. They'll catch up soon enough.
agentfazexx said:
Yes, Google has somewhat of a head start in the mobile market, however Microsoft has a head start in the OS market. They'll catch up soon enough.
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Maybe. They were several years ahead of android in the phone market but they are behind there also. We shall see.
Two years ago, the whole computer world has only one software giant, Microsoft, which is the only OS provider, and they know they are the only one. That's monopoly. Even with the phone OS war between Apple and Google fired up so much, it's just some toys to Microsoft's eye, they acted slowly, not want to dump their WinMo 6.5 directly and work on something new, or improve Winmo quickly enough to catch up in the mobile OS market. But all of a sudden, Apple jumped to tablet world, and started to offer something that's simple enough to use and can take place of PC in some leisure use in many household. And now Microsoft can't sit tight, because this directly threaten the core business of Windows. This brought down the price of PC, especially the laptop price, to compete with the new comer, and who benefits? all the consumers.
But if you use the Android, or iOS tablets, you will find it's limited. I can understand that they are still evolving, but the limitation is clear. Some very simple tasks on PC or laptop, became such a headache, impossible mission on Android. I have some excel docs on Google doc, I downloaded the app Google doc, but can't figure out how to copy the whole line, then paste it, and change several fields, instead, in the app, I'll have to copy single field, or edit one by one. I have a lot fields in the line repeated, format the same... So it will be much easier to just copy paste.
After the time, I definitely find the use of a simple Tab, just to view content, but I still dream of having a powerful enough Tab that actually can take over the laptop, isn't that the ultimate goal of the mobile device? So we can plug in a monitor and a keyboard/mouse set, and it will do what my laptop does? We will still have a long way to go. I also hope Google is going that way, otherwise, this windows 8 will soon take over, because many of us have such a desire, and we will go to windows 8 if it can work like that.
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Two years ago, the whole computer world has only one software giant, Microsoft, which is the only OS provider, and they know they are the only one. That's monopoly. Even with the phone OS war between Apple and Google fired up so much, it's just some toys to Microsoft's eye, they acted slowly, not want to dump their WinMo 6.5 directly and work on something new, or improve Winmo quickly enough to catch up in the mobile OS market. But all of a sudden, Apple jumped to tablet world, and started to offer something that's simple enough to use and can take place of PC in some leisure use in many household. And now Microsoft can't sit tight, because this directly threaten the core business of Windows. This brought down the price of PC, especially the laptop price, to compete with the new comer, and who benefits? all the consumers.
But if you use the Android, or iOS tablets, you will find it's limited. I can understand that they are still evolving, but the limitation is clear. Some very simple tasks on PC or laptop, became such a headache, impossible mission on Android. I have some excel docs on Google doc, I downloaded the app Google doc, but can't figure out how to copy the whole line, then paste it, and change several fields, instead, in the app, I'll have to copy single field, or edit one by one. I have a lot fields in the line repeated, format the same... So it will be much easier to just copy paste.
After the time, I definitely find the use of a simple Tab, just to view content, but I still dream of having a powerful enough Tab that actually can take over the laptop, isn't that the ultimate goal of the mobile device? So we can plug in a monitor and a keyboard/mouse set, and it will do what my laptop does? We will still have a long way to go. I also hope Google is going that way, otherwise, this windows 8 will soon take over, because many of us have such a desire, and we will go to windows 8 if it can work like that.
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Dude the monopoly wars are over too. There is no tech monopoly. Everyone has competition.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...-on-arm-going-to-developers-soon-say-sources/
BlackTavern said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...-on-arm-going-to-developers-soon-say-sources/
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Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it
evil secure boot: if you get one of those, it won't run Android on it (unless someone cracks their keys)
mrevankyle said:
Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it
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so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk
Completely off-topic; this thread should be moved to a forum that has anything to do with Windows 8.
And incidentally, Win8 will be the next Vista. It will flop, badly. Microsoft has never managed an even slightly successful touch-screen OS, and Win8 has significant design limitations that will put people off once they finally get to try it.
As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
If Microsoft can make Windows 8 work and improve on the "tiles" portion, I think it could be a reasonable tablet OS.
neofreek01 said:
so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk
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I am sorry that you think that that was inconsiderate it just irritates me when someone opens a new thread for a topic that has already been discussed multiple times in the form of a device that will never get that operating system. There is an entire windows 8 section of XDA and i think that this post would have better served to start a discussion there
caseyc said:
As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
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What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.
What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
The point isn't that Windows necessarily suck at touchscreen capability, it's just that they don't seem to have attracted much attention with it. Whether it's because they also believe that bull**** Apple has created around tablets and want to be seen as a more serious company... or if they're just too damn slow and big to move quickly, who knows?
(By the way, slightly off topic, but where is the best source to gather all past financial history on Apple and Microsoft??)
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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CrazyPeter said:
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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Yeah, i really do wonder, how many people are going to buy some w8 tablet thinking that they might run any .exe files from their computer I believe there will be many flames thx to it. Not to mention the catastrophic amount of application after the launch....
And the impossibility to dualboot any other system -> w8 will be doomed and forgotten on arm.
asdfuogh said:
What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
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A pretty good percentage, I'd say, and the same is true of Android users. However, that straw man has nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is that Microsoft has had nothing but dismal failure with touchscreen features of every product they've offered.
CrazyPeter said:
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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This is one of the key problems I alluded to, and given the number of people in this very forum who don't understand that issue, the answer is "a lot".
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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blestsol said:
I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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Apparently, I am one, too. I am sadly mistaken, and was quite bigoted to have thought otherwise.
We have a ASUS see slate at the hospital that I work at. It runs Windows 7 64bit with a Solid state drive and 2 gigs of ram, able to go to 4 gigs. It is actually a very solid machine, And cost effictive for our hospital. Most doctors have dell xt2 tablets they carry around that are POS, cost around 3500. For like 1200 you can get a slate a eeeslate and keyboard.
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What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.
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Uh, what? I get that the marketing sucks and they only have like 3 tablets out that run Windows 7 (if that), but that doesn't mean it doesn't work well. I'm obviously not saying it is or ever will be as popular as Android/iOS tablets, hahahah.
Microsoft is an OS developer, and until they manufacture the hardware as well (which won't happen) they're going to have to license Windows to tablet manufacturers who actually want to make them. How many manufacturers want to pay a license for Windows when they can just as easily slap Android on any piece of hardware for free? Not to mention they've had to build Windows tablets using x86 architecture all along which isn't cheap when it's not mass-ordered by every other OEM.
That said, my point was that Windows 7 works surprisingly well as a tablet OS, not that it's going to compete for 1st place with the big boys.
Just as Windows Phone 7 is a relative dud, I'm sure Windows 8 ARM will be as well. Not because the OS doesn't work well on a tablet, but because they are FARRRRRR too late in the game. Popular app developers are just now starting to port their catalog to Android, it's not likely that they are going to consider also porting to Windows on ARM when the user base will be virtually non-existent.
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CrazyPeter said:
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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That's a great point, and I'm sure 90% of the people who buy Windows tablets are going to be people who want to take their desktop applications to a mobile platform.
I guess I just saw a glimmer of hope with the Windows 7 tablet I was surprised by in the store, but I'm being reminded how unlikely it is that Microsoft will ever succeed with any sort of a mobile product for regular consumers.
It's unfortunate, but both Windows 8 in it's tablet form, and Windows Phone 7 are relying on consumer ignorance to succeed.
The Tech news community are the ones at fault here, not highlighting these critical problems with the products, instead banking Microsoft's lucrative "advertising" payments in exchange for saying nice things.
Corporate America ****ing disgusts me. Almost as much as the lack of action by the US government in Microsoft's anti-trust practices.
Looking at the list of categories here, Microsoft have violated most of these at one time, and many they still continue to do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-competitive_practices
I am waiting for win 8 Arm tablet
I am one waiting for an arm tablet on windows 8.
I was at one point looking forward to Win8 on ARM but after reading about how MS is going to be locking down ARM systems that run Win8 I have no desire any longer. When will MS and for that matter HW manufacturers understand that an ARM tablet is NO different than a white box PC. Leave it open and unlocked and if someone chooses to install Windows, Android, iOS, Linux, etc... let them.
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