Here is a "Snow Dome" type of application. Completely useless, but it was fun for programming. Try using it 2 days in a row
Watch this space for enhancements over time.
- Changed the speed
All new version on 22 Sep 2008
This has been a complete rewrite of the SnowStorm application and it was a good learning school !
Despite the complexity of the algorithm, I think the response times are very acceptable. If you like to count the number of snowflakes: there are 200 of them and each of them is updated every 40 ms !
I am really impressed with the 3D capabilities of the Diamond !
Using the OpenGLES SDK to create a "pseudo" 3D layout.
- Snowflakes will be larger in the front then in the back.
- If the PDA is laying horizontal, snowflakes will "disappear" to the back-end or stay on the front after a while
- Pseudo horizon, fixed at about 50% of the screen.
- Simple graphics, trees are placed randomly, snowman is fixed
- Simple turbulence (any pointers to good algorithms are appreciated)
- Snowflakes disappear behind trees/snowman, depending on their position in space. They will travel through them however
- Simple collision detection, only sides of the "frustum" are checked, as well as the artificial floor.
Click on the top part to be asked to quit the program. Click on the lower (25%) of the screen to restart it.
Expect some other enhancements over time too.
Needs CF 3.5 !
Important:
If you like my applications and want to donate, consider a donation to Koushik.
After all it is thanks to his (and the many other developers) work and readiness to share it that I can write these programs. I (currently) still get enough satisfaction in writing these programs.
lol... cool ... totally useless!
But I think It should react more when u shake it..!?
NisseDILLIGAF said:
lol... cool ... totally useless!
But I think It should react more when u shake it..!?
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..xmas is just around the corner ;-). And tomorrow I'll go on summer holiday! 3 weeks no xda dev....uff
Really a cool apps!
haha
totally random
but useless
well at least ill show off my friends i have a digital snowstorm ball
i wonder if you can put it as a wallpaper
so when you are in the 'home' tab and move the phone it snow
Without words.......
But wit an enormous grin!!!!!!!!!!!
Video here.
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=723
Nice, but way too slow. The flakes should also move faster when the movement is more violent.
Thx
Surur
how about a flying santa when you shake it ?
.net compact framework
.net compact framework needed, where can i get the latest version for my diamond?
Totally useless, but...........very cool.
Only a question. I've installed your cab but I've obtained only the second image that you've posted not the first. Is there a way to pass from one image to another ?
Thanks
Picture selection
unvisigoth said:
Totally useless, but...........very cool.
Only a question. I've installed your cab but I've obtained only the second image that you've posted not the first. Is there a way to pass from one image to another ?
Thanks
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Currently there is no way to change the images, I just display one each day
So to answer your question: wait for a day
BTW, working on a new openGL based version that might react faster and more realistic
- Also thinking about user selected pictures, so you can insert anything you like.
- Anybody thinks that having sound is a good idea ?
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- Anybody thinks that having sound is a good idea ?
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Definitely little jingle bells
Surur
Jingle Bells
Send me a wave or mp3 with some jingle bells and I'll do my best. I'll make sure you have it before Xmas.
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Currently there is no way to change the images, I just display one each day
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- Also thinking about user selected pictures, so you can insert anything you like.
- Anybody thinks that having sound is a good idea ?
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This could be big... Xperia X1's Fish tank big..., maybe we could use this as a screensaver or as an unlock screen of some kind....
Maybe we should be able to change not only the picture on the background but the color and size on the snowflakes as well, so it won't be just a christmas thing...
Also, maybe you should also put some interactive water in the ball... as for sound? It's not really necessary i think...
Good job btw! Thanks...
What version of .net do I need? My Diamond gives me errors that .net is missing?
.NET CF 3.5
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What version of .net do I need? My Diamond gives me errors that .net is missing?
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I use .NET CF 3.5 for most of my applications. It comes with the ROM image I installed, but it is also downloadable for free from Microsoft. Have a look in this forum, there are several pointers to it. (Sorry, that I can not be more helpful)
I know the speed doesnt need to be turbo cuz the snowflkes are in the fluid (water, etc..) but having this in mind, the movement is still toooooo slow.. Same with the beer application.. Can it be more faster? Take a look here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CEBtJG3pFhI
Cool! Thank you!
cool application for xmas
i do have a suggestion though
i would assume that the large amount of snowflakes caused the slow down..i think you should have about 50 snowflakes at most (maybe slightly bigger if necessary)..200 makes it a bit too clustered
cool good job
Wow I am made up to see this, I don't know why I didn't see it before, I think it may even have been my idea once, so thanks a lot for making it real.
So many downloads awesome!
Edit: Had a play great, better than I thought, Looking forward to be able to run it with my own background image.
Related
Here is mine:
This was taken in July but it works so well nothing has changed :lol:
I think I know the answer to this question, but what is that program with caller picture thumbnails you have?
Ant
Hey that looks so cool, what software do you use to get you desktop looking like that?
Nothin' Fancy
Kinda boring but it works for me
The first screen is for work, the second for play.
I usually switch both sims and desktops.
Note to self: I need to get a dual sim adaptor :lol:
New to making themes and struggling with VGA themes but this is my current screen. If anyone is better at this and cares to help me sort this out I'd be extreamly grateful!!!
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My old Universal. Haven't dusted her off for quite a while.
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That still has to be the coolest screen I've seen!!!
How is vjsihaya coming along?
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My old Universal.
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LOL,
how do you make this great screen ???
That is SUPER !!!
I was just looking at the screenshot - January 2006! Sheesh. I haven't programmed anything specific for VJSihaya since then - reason being, when I had the idea way back when, I knew what I wanted it to do, but knew what I had to go away and learn LOTS of new stuff.
I've been tinkering with different ideas, bits and bobs, so that I can eventually throw them together to make it as complete as I want it to be.
Like I've said elsewhere, stuff like VJVolubilis is just R&D, that I've released stand alone, but I like the idea of VJSihaya. However, HTC really need to get more VGA screens out. I'm thinking of going to TyTN, and at QVGA VJSihaya isn't as beautiful
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Sorry for stupid question, but how do you change your screen to make it look like DavidT's?
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Sorry for stupid question, but how do you change your screen to make it look like DavidT's?
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I think that is WisBar Advance he is using. It is not free though.
Yep thats Wisbar Advance I'm using along with a windows vista theme. The picture dialer is the one ripped off from the Treo 700W and was designed for QVGA and square screens thats why it looks so small on the Universal's VGA screen but it still works great
A couple of questions:
Does it not totally destroy your eyes trying to read the text on true VGA mode?
I used WisBar Advance once when I had my alpine - it made it so there was no ring when an incoming call happened, are there any problems with using it on a phone now? If not, do you know why not? Is it the new device or a newer version of the WisBar software?
Thanks guys, I'm off to investigate Wizbar Advance!
Anjow - to answer your question.
Yes the text is small in VGA mode - in Word set your font size to 7 point font size (perhaps 6 - hard to tell) and you'll get an idea of how big the text is.
I find it perfectly readable and LOVE the extra space it gives me, browsing the internet actually becomes worthwhile as well!
VJBigPhone makes the phone work properly on VGA (Thanks again!!!) - my only problem is that Solitaire still thinks it's using 320x240 and is too small!!!
It depends upon personal preference and what you intend to use the device for.
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in Word set your font size to 7 point font size (perhaps 6 - hard to tell) and you'll get an idea of how big the text is.
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Do you mean on my PC or my device? If on my device it seems I can't go lower than 8?
Thanks.
Sorry I meant on your PC
Hmm, perhaps tolerable then. I'm surprised because when I'm using pocket opera some of the text is really tiny already? Perhaps that's a feature of opera though.
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What plugin are u using for the memory used and battery life status on your today screen?
That wud be a great help since, i am looking for a similar but light weight plugin. Pocket plus has it but i find it heavy and thus don't use it anymore.
Hello everyone!
I'm new on this forum and I've only read TONS of useful information till now...Few days ago I bought an HTC Touch device and immediately I flashed its ROM with a new one found in this *** WONDERFUL *** site
Well, in the past I developed some (stupid) applications for Windows in several languages; then I discover the "pocket-pc" world and began to have to do with it! One night I was reading about a feature of a developement-version of a well known browser and WOOOOOOOW!!!! "You can perform several actions, like scrolling, panning, zooming...only by moving your phone!" The software use image-processing algorithms to recognize your gestures ...only using the built-in camera!!!! No accelometers needed...
Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3pVaEVHpvI
Now, image-processing algorithms are not too difficult to implement...but how can I get access to the built-in camera on my Htc ?!? I tried to search all over the internet, and in this forum too...but I found only few things about HTCCameraAPI and many other programs and their dlls. I cannot believe there's no way to have access to the camera!!!
HELP please!!! this "project" could be very interesting!
One thing is sure - it _can_ be done, and it can work really good, even on weak hardware - look at this:
http://rivia.net/Fishopolis.aspx
I just tried the demo and i was amazed how well it worked on my wizard (especially considering its crappy camera), even in less than perfect lighting conditions (incadescent light). No overclocking required.
Also, from what i've seen WM7 is going to use the camera-based gestures too. So, anyone willing to beat M$ to it and develop a camera-based ftouchflo-like app?
I've looked at the libs, and I've even dabbled in the source, and this is my next project. Like I said, we know it can be done, it's just a matter of doing it. Obviously though, I've got to finish off PocketMelody etc. But it's my next move, once no one beats me to it . And personally, I hope someone does! It's not THAT hard.
Welcome to the forums gregnapola!
This website hepled me choose my very first PPC Phone 18 months ago and helped it become the best little device I own. It just keeps getting better and better with tools such as FTouchFlo, PocketMelody and Picture Flow, and I look forward to this feature onMY HTC Hermes!
Shows how much really can be done with this WM platform, all you need is developers with imagination and talent (and all the other things that go along with it like coffe and donations and and respect on the forums ).
Thanks guys.
maybe we would have some1 develop a program that automatically changes portrait mode into landscape by jus rotating the camera..hey u never kno..this is XDA-DEVELOPERS..
Sounds awesome and would definitly love to see this done. Just a quick question about it. Would it be a big battery drain to have this running all the time?
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Sounds awesome and would definitly love to see this done. Just a quick question about it. Would it be a big battery drain to have this running all the time?
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Considering that you're not rendering anything to the screen, it's at least safe to assume you'll be using A LOT less power than if you were walking around with your camera application on all day .
Thank you for your replies...
I've just installed the demo version of "Rivia Fishopolis" to see how well can it work but it doesn't run it because of an unknow security-error
Now, I found a lot of useful camera-based applications, but they'll come in the future - I'm talking about WM7 gesture-based control, NetFront 3.5 or EyeMobile Games by GestureTek...but all I really need is the way to capture frames by my Elf camera; code samples in any Visual Studio language with HTCCameraAPI, or any other lib...
any update?
I'd also love to substitute my D-Pad for a Camera-based Motion Tracking system
No Dev takes this challenge?
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Thank you for your replies...
I've just installed the demo version of "Rivia Fishopolis" to see how well can it work but it doesn't run it because of an unknow security-error
Now, I found a lot of useful camera-based applications, but they'll come in the future - I'm talking about WM7 gesture-based control, NetFront 3.5 or EyeMobile Games by GestureTek...but all I really need is the way to capture frames by my Elf camera; code samples in any Visual Studio language with HTCCameraAPI, or any other lib...
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I resolved your error assigning owner information (all). But camera feature seems to not work on my trinity...also the d-pad can't move the cursor...is there anyone with same problem?
thanks
Would it be possible to have it access the front camera too and switch of the LCD when you're talking on the phone? Something like what the iPhone does to save battery.
christiankirana said:
any update?
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The only update is that my elf was stolen about a week ago...and so...I cannot do anything at all!!! So sad....
gregnapola said:
The only update is that my elf was stolen about a week ago...and so...I cannot do anything at all!!! So sad....
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That's really stinks!! I hope you can get another one. Sorry to hear the news.
Chris
Im trying to use Fishopolis on my phone ( an HTC Wizard) but i keep on getting some kind of weird security error.
Any ideas why im getting that error and how to fix it?
doesn't seem to work with the camera on the Hermes...hmmm
Looks like we will have to wait until 2009 for WM7.
wouldn't it consume a lot more battery if camera is always on.
just my thought
I think this is a cool idea and I think I mentioned this somewhere else in this forum, but if this could be done, it would be cool if one could use the camera of there phone, link it via bluetooth and use it as a mouse for a laptop.
Just thinking outloud.
lol, some interesting ideas.
Docnas, refer to post by cf222111:
I resolved your error assigning owner information (all).
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Mariner_heart, refer to post by thundershadow_14:
Considering that you're not rendering anything to the screen, it's at least safe to assume you'll be using A LOT less power than if you were walking around with your camera application on all day .
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Hi !
I recompiled/optimized another one of my games, so it should work better on most PocketPC (and on WinCE 5 devices).
Znax is puzzle game in which you'll have to click 4 tiles of the same color and form squares as big as you can.
All the tiles inside the rectangle will be erased, and you will get points.
2 input methods are available :
- Click on the 4 corners, forming a rectangle , and it'll remove the blocks
- Drag the cursor from the top left corner to the bottom right (or any specific order, in fact)
The bigger the rectangle , the more points you get. You only have 3 minutes to have a maximum score, so you better hurry up !!!
Time is running...
Adapted from the flash game of the same name and Birslip's DS port
Complete changelog :
- No more invalid moves
- Smoother/faster changes
- New input method : simple drag
- Support for WinCE 5 systems
- Optimised CPU/battery use
- New menu with possibility to check the top scores
- Hitting quit when playing returns to menu
Download Znax
Still working hard Mollusk, I'll try it now.
Thanks
glad to see that the invalid selection bug was fixed. The new input method makes the game much more fun. Good job!
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glad to see that the invalid selection bug was fixed. The new input method makes the game much more fun. Good job!
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Thanks to you ! I'll add more game modes when I get more time, so if you have any crazy/wacky ideas, feel free to post
what about a Bi-Planes type game? i remember a old game where there were two biplanes with a tower in the middle, and you took off and had to shoot each other down, so much fun you could have the planes follow the stylus... just a idea
keep up the good work!
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what about a Bi-Planes type game? i remember a old game where there were two biplanes with a tower in the middle, and you took off and had to shoot each other down, so much fun you could have the planes follow the stylus... just a idea
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Any idea where I could find that game, screenshots, or a video ? :s
kepp up the good work!
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thanks !
i'll have a look around, there was a flash re-make i had, i'll try and find a link.
Found one called 2D Dogfight for Linux, if you google it or google image search, you will find it. apparently it was Intellivision and Amiga who first came up with it, called 'BIP' or 'BiPlanes'.
Cheers
found the re-make http://icculus.org/airstrike/
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found the re-make http://icculus.org/airstrike/
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Thanks Fun little game !
lol tis indeed. So, what do u think about a PPC remake? should be easy enough i would have thought
I'll give it a try some day, but I already have like 5 projects pending ^^
lol awsum
is there a mobile version of the XFlib site?
Cheers
Yes !
http://ppc.xflib.net/
It's hosted on my old server, though, so the numbers aren't right as it doesn't access the database... I'll have to update that some day ^^ But it points on the correct files, so you get the latest versions anyways.
If anyone has a quick tip to autoredirect PocketPC and low resolution devices to that site, would be awesome !
Oh, and apparently sometimes IE Mobile opens the .cab as a text file instead of saving it, kind of crappy, not sure what to do about that :s
Amazingly good bunch of games. I've installed all of them, other than Soduku (I will, however, donate next paycheck), and they're just superbly done. Great for standing around at an office or waiting for the doctor, or anytime the brain needs to move.
Thanks a lot vpoet
xflib.net should now automatically redirect PocketPCs to ppc.xflib.net Can anyone confirm this ?
Please see thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2636915#post2636915
Reincarnation!
lol... fun program ...
Nice work!
I don't know if, when, where I'm gone use it ...
Looking forward to future apps from you...
awsome!!! all it needs it "its good but its not right!"
all i can say is youtube!!! loads of stuff on there!
loads on here:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSm5kGpWnsM&feature=related
Hehehe,, GREATTTTTT!!!!!!!!
fabulous!! a real candidate for my start menu!!
heh yeh thanks for the comments.
I thought it was pretty good fun . But as I say I don't think the missus was too impressed. I'll get some more samples from youtube and add them in. (Thanks for the link jameslovell)
I really want "Say what you see" and "its good but its not right".
I think half the problem of programming in my own time is thinking of apps to write!
looking forward to the extra sounds!
more Catchphrase sounds (+others)
http://chrismoyles.net/mw/soundmachine.shtml
Yeah i had a look at those, they dont sound right though. Sounds like it isnt roy.
Nice
would it be possible to extend this app to allow users to create and choose soundschemes?
There used to be one on the smartphone which was a great laugh
http://www.modaco.com/content/smartphone-software-applications/117105/spvnoisebox-updated-03-12-v0-9-2b/
I'd be happy to make some themes to share
Sound Effects, Drum Machine, Sirens, Excuses, Ventriloquism
Yeh totally, i will have a proper look into when I get time (hopefully this weekend).
Sounds like a plan, set of audio files and a configuration file with them. I'll get on it!
Interesting app you posted a link to, does it only work on smartphones then?
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I have just recently received a shiny new HTC Diamond Touch, after a day or so of having it I thought it was time to create an application. This is what the few minutes during my lunch break at work came up with.
A Catch Phrase sound board! Only 4 samples unfortunately, you wouldn't believe how hard these audio samples are to find.
I can't believe how much fun I have had clicking the Wrong buzzer whenever my girlfriend asks me a question!
Enjoy, the start of many applications to come I hope.
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Any screenshots?
No screenshots for the moment as the old application was just a test, hacked together in a lunch break.
I am working on a much improved version, all is going well and I should release something this week or this weekend. Unfortunately my free time is lacking at the moment.
The new app will be completely configurable and provide the ability for user created content in the form of button and image themes... all will be explained when I release it.
Thanks.
looking forward to it!!!
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No screenshots for the moment as the old application was just a test, hacked together in a lunch break.
I am working on a much improved version, all is going well and I should release something this week or this weekend. Unfortunately my free time is lacking at the moment.
The new app will be completely configurable and provide the ability for user created content in the form of button and image themes... all will be explained when I release it.
Thanks.
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Take your time of course and glad it's on the way. Thanks for your time and hard work as always.
I don't understand how this will work, or is it rom dependant? I can't play any sound when I'm on the phone. Tried the app, but can't hear anything. Same with wmp and tf3d player.
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Interesting app you posted a link to, does it only work on smartphones then?
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Sorry for the late response, you probably know the answer by now ..
It runs but will only play sounds on the d-pad, other sounds were assigned to the keypad.
Touchscreen is so much better ! and the vga resolution deserves to be used to full effect.
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I am working on a much improved version, all is going well and I should release something this week or this weekend. Unfortunately my free time is lacking at the moment.
The new app will be completely configurable and provide the ability for user created content in the form of button and image themes... all will be explained when I release it.
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Excellent news
No need to rush it, I presume you mean we can change the sounds, not just the buttons and images for Roy
I'm looking forward to it.
Many thanks
Some thoughts ...
It would be really nice to use animated gifs as buttons, that appear to 'play' when activated.
Perhaps it could use the g-sensor a bit like the lightsaber toy - assigning your own sound to a 'shake'.
during a call, could you shake the phone to play a sound that the caller would hear ?
"... must go, there's somebody at the door." <SHAKE>
! DING DONG !
Hi,
Is it possible for someone to supply the Buzzer sound as a wav or MP3 File. My Girlfriend has been using my phone, found this damn program on it, and after several hours of messing with it, now wants the buzzer sound as her message alert tone.
Ive searched the internet where i can, and cant find it. If anyone has it or it can be extracted from the program, or be supplied by the creator, i would be very grateful!
Sean Saunders
Sure here are the sounds
Sorry for the late reply.
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I am using the "ideas" section in the GSensor Apps thread as a guideline to write useful/useless applications. Instead of creating a thread for each small program I intend to reference the original idea/request here and display the application. Safes me from having to open a different thread
So here is the first one, based on this idea: Plane
Simple graphics, if you have better pictures, share them with me. I need top, bottom and side view of the plane. I can also use better sound files, I did not really look around for the best ones. And as usually improvements will be done and brought back here.
First improvement: used F22 picture from surur (see post below)
Usage: self-explaining
AH64d Lander
An other "Lunar Lander" clone, based on Apache Lander from the iPhone. Somebody did request this a while ago, so here is version 1, using C# and OpenGLES.
To start after a crash/landing, use options and the level you want to play. I fear however that the "Hard" level is almost impossible to play.
Options also allow you to use sound.
10-Sep-08: Fixed sound
Paper Airplane
A concept only application for the moment, but the goal is to replace the above "Airplane" with this OpenGL based application. For the moment it is only possible to look at the plane, sort of like a virtual hologram.
Usage:
Hold your PDA in landscape and turn it slowly around, tilting it over your head. You will be able to look at this paper plane from all sides.
Diamond Beer V2
A drinking tool, probably last update for a while.
Great idea! Looking forward to all the useful apps going to be posted here
Keep'em coming!
Thanx!
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Simple graphics, if you have better pictures, share them with me. I need top, bottom and side view of the plane.
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Surur
Great Idea your airplane!!
Surur: Your airplane is beautiful
great idea for the app list but..... why don't you make it on the wiki??
in this way also other peoples can add/update other sw& versions, and we will never stressed to follow day x day all the topics apps.
Also, i've read about the "cubes"
If you can do something with cubes, why don't do it for "Cubes app" like the iphone one?
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great idea for the app list but..... why don't you make it on the wiki??
in this way also other peoples can add/update other sw& versions, and we will never stressed to follow day x day all the topics apps.
Also, i've read about the "cubes"
If you can do something with cubes, why don't do it for "Cubes app" like the iphone one?
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I totally agree! You smart people with vast programming skills can't let the mac/iphone nerds have the lead in this area, right?
here is the example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugoq8M2XxVE
Wiki ?
SkizZO said:
great idea for the app list but..... why don't you make it on the wiki??
in this way also other peoples can add/update other sw& versions, and we will never stressed to follow day x day all the topics apps.
Also, i've read about the "cubes"
If you can do something with cubes, why don't do it for "Cubes app" like the iphone one?
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Maybe a stupid question, but what do you mean with putting it on the Wiki ?
Nice plane images
Surur[/QUOTE]
Surur, thanks for the images, I will certainly incorporate them in the next version ! Could take a while, because I am going over the current apps again and try to improve them. It has been too long since I worked at the "Beer"
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Maybe a stupid question, but what do you mean with putting it on the Wiki ?
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Anyone can modify it
Lander: when I turn on sound it quits
Airplane I really dont know what it can do except sound which is same all the time ...maybe my fault
Sound fixed
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Lander: when I turn on sound it quits
Airplane I really dont know what it can do except sound which is same all the time ...maybe my fault
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Fixed the sound and uploaded the new version.
As for Airplane it is based on a request from somebody to have the plane. I did not fulfil his request yet completely. Next version will change sounds when you "dive" the plane or change directions abruptly.
The main goal is to demo that you can turn your PDA (in landscape mode) around the axis and the plane will show different sides.
Also the sound will only play as long as you move the plane in the air.
I guess it is great if you want to fly a toy plane anywhere you like, but don't want to drag it around
If you don't like to play with toy planes, it is useless indeed, but hey who says that all programs here need to be useful for everybody