Before anyone jumps on me, I've been going through the Wiki and forums extensively, and found just one similar problem. Which wasn't solved...
My HTC TyTN/Hermes 200 won't boot up anymore. It is totally dead. I even can't get it into bootloader mode. Screen stays blank and the LED is off.
Put the (3 months old) battery in another Hermes to test it, and it's at 100% charge.
My Hermes shows a steady red LED when it's plugged into power without the battery in, and no LED at all when the battery is installed. The red LED turns off when the battery is installed while there's power going into the unit.
I've left the battery out for at least an hour, plugged it back in, same results. Like the other guy I tried the "pull power, pull battery, plug in power, plug in battery, reset" trick http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...6469&p=1077622 - to no avail.
Does anyone have any last resort ideas on how to get it to at least come back up to a boot loader screen ?
check the battery contact points on the phone. the hermes shows a red led when its plugged in but without a battery
... have you ever dismantled your hermes? your screen ribbon cable may have dead tracks or not be connected properly
just a test on the opposite side of the battery connectors with battery removed press firmly without putting pressure on the LCD, this worked for me when i had a white screen on power up.
if this fixes the problem you may need to actually dismantle the back and put some flame retardant electrical tape on the back over the existing tape to add an extra layer of pressure and retension
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check the battery contact points on the phone. the hermes shows a red led when its plugged in but without a battery
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Yes, I have cleaned the contact too, nothing. And the battery is OK for sure, my colleague's TyTN runs on it without any problem.
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... have you ever dismantled your hermes? your screen ribbon cable may have dead tracks or not be connected
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In fact I have, I have totally dismantled and reassembled my TyTN yesterday afternoon, nothing.
the only other problem may be that when being dismantled you may have damaged some sensitive components, Electro Static Discharge will fry sensitive CMOS components, they do not like it at all, whenever dismantling you should wear an earth strap, any time i dismantled mine it was on a workbench with a static mat and i was earthed through the mat.
but this is one possibility, the only other idea is to swap main board and displays with another that works, finding someone willing to allow you to do this with a working hemes is the tough part.
thats as much all i can think of for now
R.I.P. my trustful Hermes 200
Thanks all for your assistance. I have come to the conclusion that my sweetheart is no longer among us. May she rest in peace.
I have obtained a (2d hand) replacement yesterday. May this one last longer.
I'll keep the old TyTN for replacement parts.
Oh well...
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I got a used wizard today,it is a few weeks old I also got a cradle with it.
I pluged in the cradle to the USB port and the charger to power, after playing with it for 1-2 hours I placed the wizard on the cradle to charge and after a few mins i noticed that it was over heating. I removed it from the cradle right away and noticed that the battery was droping 1% every minute or so. After it was down to 27% i removed the charger and left only the usb connection and placed the wizard on the cradle again. it was charging fine, when it was up to 90% removed it from the cradle and again was droping fast.
When it was down to around 25-30% of the battery I did a soft reset and since then I can never get it to start again also the red charging light does not show.
What the heck is wrong with it? I also get a light burning smell from the bottom of the wizard where the connector is located.
Any help?
I need your lights guys.
Don't like the sound of the light burning smell, that sounds like an electrical fault. It looks like your battery has died and the wizard battery setup is well known to do this. You need to plug it into the official mains charger (not the usb one) as this has an output of 1A, enough to kick start the wizard battery into life and start the charging. You need to wait a short while though before the light comes on. If this fails try to get a new battery and try that. Any more light burning smells and it needs to go back to the supplier.
I would suggest that you send it back to replace/repair. The rapid dropping of the battery power suggest that it is using power somewhere (illegally). I've heard cases of battery caught on fire, etc. and I won't suggest you to use it anymore until you sort out the 'burning' smell.
First of all thanks for your replys.
I pluged the charger on it and the red charging light came on after a while.
charged for over 6 hours and its still red? I think after been charged should change to green? right?
anyways after all that still doesnt want to turn on. I got it to start a couple of times but only to the point that shows the splash screen with the rom numbers and then it turns back off.
Should I give it a smash across the room on the wall? done that with some other things and worked just kiding.
Forgot to add that up to the point when i did the soft reset the device was working fine except the charge drop. Soft reset was done while it was working ( turned on)..... if thats any help.
i thinking u need flash phone with jafwm
and here u will find 3 flashs
www.gsm-support.info
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i thinking u need flash phone with jafwm
and here u will find 3 flashs
www.gsm-support.info
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That ain't gonna do jack sh1t to it. If it can't start to get into bootloader, it can't flash....and it's not a flash issue.
Usually the red light means power but not charging - happens to my qtek 9100 when I let it get too flat and I have to remove and insert the battery while the mains adaptor is attached - others have to 'jump start' the battery by directly connecting to a PSU - I wouldn't do this with yours.
From what you have said it sounds like a short somewhere. Any signs of water damage? Warranty? What Wizard do you have and what country are you in?
Richard
I got the wiza 200 O2 xda mini S from a guy in UK from ebay. The idiot sold me a cradle for it with an adaptor that says 12V on it (Like an idiot that I am i just noticed that) but then again how am I supposed to think that he gave me an adaptor that its not made for it when it says on the back of it "for Imate - Kjam". Do you guys think thats what burned the **** out of the unit ?
dont forget that some times turns on shows the ROMS numbers and turns off.
No water damage... I think its on warranty... I live in Greece.
Might not be the cradle - it could be it steps down internally to 5v. Use a meter and check what it outputs to the phone. Warranty with XDA's are 2 years to the *original* purchaser. As they are only supplied with an airtime agreement then that isn't you.
Richard
have you tried changing batteries to a new one? Seriously, thats the easiest thing you could do right now and you could actually get results.
Ok this is what I did.
Removed the baterry from the device,
got a 12V 1 Amp power supply that I had lying around and give it a few shots connecting it to the battery giving it an electro shock.
(If you're going to try this be very carefull.<<<< DONT LEAVE the power supply connected to the battery>>>> just give it a few shots 1 second on and off.
That was it.
It started working, device turned on and now its charging (I think) yellow light is on.
I'm going to leave it on for a few hours and see what happens.
Wish me good luck. I'll let you know soon.
ok... this is what happend.
Battery is drained and its not charging due to a blown fust on the main board.
I open the phone and placed and solder a little wire over the fuse.
Still does not charge. ^%$#%$#$^%$*
Before I replaced the fuse or should i say short it the yellow light would come on for a few min and then red again. Now when I charge the battery with another external power supply the pda comes on for a few mins and then dies again. ( no charging light whatsoever).
Does anyone know where to get a mainboard for it and about how much it costs?
Asking for help again.
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ok... this is what happend.
Battery is drained and its not charging due to a blown fust on the main board.
I open the phone and placed and solder a little wire over the fuse.
Still does not charge. ^%$#%$#$^%$*
Before I replaced the fuse or should i say short it the yellow light would come on for a few min and then red again. Now when I charge the battery with another external power supply the pda comes on for a few mins and then dies again. ( no charging light whatsoever).
Does anyone know where to get a mainboard for it and about how much it costs?
Asking for help again.
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Hey man, sorry to hear about that.
The best you can do is to claim your money from ebay.
You probably killed it when you pluged in the 12V PSU. That's 230% of the normal Volts! Otherwise sell it for parts.
I'm in the process of claiming the money back from the IDIOT that sold it to me.
Lets see if that part of Ebay works as good.
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I'm in the process of claiming the money back from the IDIOT that sold it to me.
Lets see if that part of Ebay works as good.
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Doubt it. Did you ask the seller for help before opening the phone and voiding the original warranty on the device?
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ok... this is what happend.
I open the phone and placed and solder a little wire over the fuse.
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Not a good idea IMO as now the blame is on you as previously he may have been able to get warranty service from the original vendor.
Richard
I did ask.
He is not the original buyer.
what was I suposed to do.... track back 2-3 buyers to find the original... send it to him so he can have it repaired? Anyway it was out of warranty because of the burned fuse that says that some other charger was used with it.
I had a similar thing happen but fortunately not as bad as yours. Twice now my battery has mysteriously drained completely. The last time when I tried to turn the unit on, it flashed the boot screen for a couple of seconds then poof, no more juice. When I plugged it into the USB port, nothing, no lights, no charge, no recognition from Activesync, I thought the unit was fried. I use Tmobile and got to admit they did send me a replacement fairly quickly. Before I packed up my unit I thought maybe I should plug it in using the wall charger and presto, it came on and is working fine. I have no idea what causes this but do know that if the battery is completely discharged the USB port can not over come this to put a charge on.
Same thing happened to me, kind of strange though. The charge was perhaps 70% to the best of my knowledge. I flashed it with Mr. Clean ROM and booted it up.. it came in fine into WM5, then it started the installation of the 3 progs or whatever comes with Mr. Clean.. after the second finished the unit just died *poff*. Screen blank, no responce to power buttons or any other buttons for that matter.
I've tried taking out the battery for different intervals of time, no luck. I've tried using the AC charger, no luck. No lights, sounds, telepathy or matrix ****.. it just lies there like a dummy phone.. hmm what to do. Bought it from a guy in UK (im in sweden) on eBay, don't think I will have much luck there.. even though it's brand new...
Any thouhgts?
I have had this problem - I bought a replacement battery and all is now fine. Another thread in this group states that the battery cannot charge without the OS up - so if the battery is completely discharged then it is impossible to charge through the phone. The only solution seems to be somehow to charge the battery directly - as appears to have been done earlier in this thread.
Chris
p.s. if anyone knows of another way to do it I'd be interested to hear as I'd like to revive my old battery and keep it as a spare
Hi all,
Need som urgent help. The backcover of my device is not fitting well any longer. Guess I´ve bumped it to many times...
As a result (Iguess) I cant turn on or even charge my magician!
The only thing that is happening when I try to charge is that a red light is turned on. What does this mean?
Any solution of how to get it work again?
Is it possible to buy a new back-cover? Live in Sweden.
Thankful for some ideas!
Regards Emil
Most probably the notch on the battery cover that hits the microswitch lever has broken. You will find the microswitch on the lower-right corner of the device when facing down. Put something soft but strong enough (ie. foam) to keep the microswitch in the ON postion then mount the battery cover and temporarily fix it with tape. Be sure to keep your device plugged in via USB or charger in order not to totally discharge the backup battery. If the backup battery gets depleated, then it's like doing a hard reset.
You can buy parts from ebay but I've always bought from Brando and is very reliable dealer (shop.brando.com.hk). Delivery is quite fast too.
Hi Zerimar and thanks for your answer!
Unfortunately that didn´t do the trick. Still the same red light when trying to charge. And I can´t turn it on! I am pretty sure that the battery is flat out by now but even so I would think it would load and then after a while, I would be able to turn it on.
Am really frustrated abt this!
Any more ideas maybe?!?
Regards Emil
u'd better send it to service...
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u'd better send it to service...
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Well, that´s what I´m trying to get around... Thats why I´m hanging around here
If have have my device charged via USB or charger, the LED becomes as soon as I remove the battery cover. If I hit the microswitch lever then the LED turns green and start to boot up. If main battery is removed the LED stays red even though hitting the microswitch's lever.
It looks like it's not charging your main battery or your battery is already defective. If your device is over a year old and you're still using the same battery, then its time to change it. Bulges in a battery is a sign that it needs replacement.
Before sending your device for repair, why not look for someone you know who also has a Magician or equivalent device and quickly borrow his/her battery?
I had red LED when plugging into a main charger - and then the phone reset.
Red LED + loop booting-poweroff = dead battery
If the LED is RED when you charge your device for hours
If the device tries to boot sometimes, but powers off by itself some minutes after (it means, at least, that your device CAN boot! )
Your battery may be dead, I bought a new one for 10Euros on ebay...
Those batteries are perfectly compatible with HTC Prophet or HTC Beetles (Ipaq 6515) and maybe other devices... easy to find!
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Check this site - http://michael-channon.spaces.live.com/
It has a heap of guides for the hardware. Also if you get stuck you can pm Mike as he is the MASTER of HTC hardware... He a great guy and helps where he can.
Cheers...
Found this too (another gem from Mike) - http://www.mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/Hermes Fuse Location.pdf
thought it might help...
Well eventnick has been in touch.
For general info though, I'm not convinced this is a fuse problem due to the fact that the red LED is showing. To the best of my knowledge, when the fuse is blown then the circuit is totally dead with no LEDs showing.
The only guidance I can suggest (other than sending to a repair centre for testing) is to persevere with some of the battery charging unblocking methods - it can take a lot of patience and even a few days in between!!
Mike
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Thanks Mike.
So can some one confirm that the Red light does not light when the fuse is blown? I've found some conflicting information.
Also, why do you reccomend continuing with the battery charging methods. I have confirmed the battery itself is not at fault by using it to succesfully power another hermes. I have also determined that the battery is at 4.1 V with a DMM which is where it should be.
Im worried.
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Continue it because the RLOD is not caused by a faulty battery but because the charging circuit gets stuck "in a manner of speaking"
Mike
well ive been trying for several days now and nothing.
can some one confirm that the Red light does not light when the fuse is blown?
A fuse allows power to travel through a circuit. Its like a doorway. When the door is open you can go through but if the door is closed you can't. A blown fuse would be the closed door. No power through hence, no lit up Led....
My hermes as well will not power up. Phone fell from the couch and when I tried turning it on, nothing happened. I then plugged in the USB charger to see if that would do the trick. Phone still wasn't able to power on, however, I did see the right led light blinking red with the battery in and USB charger plugged in. With the battery out, the right led light stayed solid red without blinking.
If anyone is willing to helping me out, I'd greatly appreciate it. Hopefully it's my battery.
-Dan
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Luckily I had an extra battery that I had purchased off eBay a while ago. The phone turned on with the new battery.
Cool, that would've been my advice, test with a different battery 1st. Easyto replace while hardware fault can be hard, if not impossible, to fix.
Cheers...
the same think for me ... i bought a new battery but still nothing ...
the phone is not show me anything. i cant power up .
MDA Vario II will not charge
http://www.mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/Hermes Fuse Location.pdf
My phone will not charge either....The phone will not charge when using AC charger or USB, the red or amber light does not come on. works fine on battery power, but it is drained now. I took the phone apart and checked the fuse according to the link above, but it was fine.. are there any other suggestions?
Try cleaning the usb connector on the phone with isopropyl alcohol and a cotton bud. Do it while the phone is off. Maybe a dirty connector, otherwise the battery connectors may have been broken in a drop.
Cheers...
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anyways...
so nobody can confirm the LED behavior with the fuse blown? Does anybody know for sure if it does?
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Sorry i am not willing to check this........
I just pepared a simple overview of some of the voltages on the hermes mainboard.
Take this without any warranty, just did some quick measurements
Insert battery and press power button for a minimum of 2 seconds.
Even on a bricked board (IPL/SPL brick) these voltages could be measured.
Check your mainboard and try to find the voltage points!
Maybe this helps to find out whats wrong!!
Discussion welcome
scholbert
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Hey all,
Having served me faithfully for 18 months now, my TyTN has finally given up the ghost. It refuses outright to boot.
Not a splash screen, not a backlight, no response at all no matter how long I hold that power button down.
When I plug it into the mains it displays reddish on the right hand LED, having left it plugged in for a while it stops displaying even that until I unplug it and re-plug it.
I've tested the battery with a voltmeter and the power on the phone with a circuit checker, there's not broken circuitry and the battery certainly generates a current.
Though it's not TOO urgent, as I have a backup phone (Nokia 3220, ugh) unlocked and in use, and it's not TOO horrible as I was about to order a Touch Pro anyway, I'd like to keep it strictly unbricked either for sale or for backup.
Any thoughts on either:
1. What the problem is, I'm absolutely baffled.
2. How I might go about fixing it.
Thanks, Forlornity
If its only displaying a red LED when you plug it in that generally means that the power sensor has been confused or the battery isn't touching the contacts properly.
Are you using the supplied charger or a 3rd party one/usb connection. The usb and most 3rd party chargers don't deliver the right charge. If its underpowered it may not trip the charging sensor.
Try pushing the battery tightly against the contacts, I had a problem whereby the contacts had been pushed in so the battery didn't connect properly.
Clean the contacts with a cotton bud and isopropyl alcohol (surgical spirits) to remove any corrosion. DON'T USE METHYLATED SPIRITS!!! It leaves a residue.
Thats all I can think of now.
Cheers...
Isopropyl you say?
It's a pity, I've actually got meths handy.
I'm using the stock charger, I suspect I might be suffering a RLOD, but none of the usual methods are working...
I'm gonna see if I can get hold of a charging dock for the battery from expansys or suchlike (unless anyone knows anywhere better?), see if that does the trick, if not, new battery, then if THAT fails I'll have no idea
Thanks for the tip on the isopropyl!
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Isopropyl you say?
It's a pity, I've actually got meths handy.
I'm using the stock charger, I suspect I might be suffering a RLOD, but none of the usual methods are working...
I'm gonna see if I can get hold of a charging dock for the battery from expansys or suchlike (unless anyone knows anywhere better?), see if that does the trick, if not, new battery, then if THAT fails I'll have no idea
Thanks for the tip on the isopropyl!
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I have the same problem, and new battery didnt help! anyone got solution for this problem? I menage to charge battery with 2 wires, and phone starts, but it wont charge! i mean orange led is on, and it says CHARGING, but battery % is going down down until it reaches 0%!
I don't know if this is the right section, anyway because it isn't specifically hardware related I posted here... for admins feel free to move in the appropriate thread.
My G2 dropped on the floor and as result I got a complete broken display plus not working touch.
The device, touch apart, worked without issues so as 1st step I made a full backup of sd-like content (music, pictures, etc...) to my laptop.
note: even if touch didn't work I was able to access the device trough adb and a very useful utility (http://marian.schedenig.name/2014/07/03/remote-control-your-android-phone-through-adb/)
Next I ordered a replacement for the display, looked for instructions and changed by myself... and the phone didn't boot or even charge... nothing, the only signal of life was when attached to the wall charger the led blinking in red eight (8) times consecutively then no blink for a second and again blink for 8 times and so on in an infinite loop.
Of course I started to look for solution and tried every kind of combination but none worked.
I started to think that I missed up something during the display replacement or the battery fault or even I fried in some way the motherboard, anyway for what I read it supposed that could be that the battery gone under certain voltage or minimal charge so the motherboard circuit didn't recognize as "good or safe battery", it is simply bypassed by charge circuit.
note: I waited for the new display about 10 days and the device (fully charged) slept (turned off) in a drawer so I don't think it was totally discharged
I disassembled and reassembled again the device but nothing happened so while looking for a solution I saw a video on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZwknmWCmOE) solving a issue similar to mine so as instructions I took an old charger (800ma), cut the charger connector and exposed the 2 internal wires (one red and the other gray/black).
Then I opened the device, disconnected the battery and attached directly into the battery connector the two charger wires (in this way mobile motherboard is bypassed).
I used a small piece of tape to stop and make touch laterally the 2 wires to the connector, something like: dark wire -> [ battery connector] <- red wire
Keep in mind that the connector is something very small like (0) where left parenthesis is for dark wire and right parenthesis for the red one.
note: you can't wrong with wires, because the positive (on the battery connector) has a small white triangle.
Of course I found a way to don't move/mess wires before connecting the wall charger... I put another piece of tape at 20cm on the table to keep the cable charger fixed near the phone, then I attached the wall charger...
remember: attach the charger to the wall ONLY when you have finished to place/fix the contacts!
Waited just 1 minute because exposed charger wires was very close and didn't want to fry something... but it was enough!!
Reconnected the battery and voilà the phone turned on!
The phone turned on with almost 80% of charge, all seemed to work... except that I found 2 issues... I suppose because the case didn't match perfectly anymore (I opened the device 4 times and disassembled-reassembled twice)
1st speaker didn't work, so I reopened the device and checked the speaker connector, I discovered that the speaker didn't touch very well so I put a small stripe of tape under the connector (the small vertical green stripe in the lower side of the phone) to lift it and making touch stronger with the speaker module (the black part the come out), here on Youtube for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2FPmFUrQQ
2nd GPS didn't work very well (discovered after a couple of days) so I reopened the device and applied this solution that worked perfectly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfS4LpfcLfg
This is my story in the hope to help someone, if you have apparently a total dead phone and the only signal of life is a 8 times blinking red light... now you know what to do!
Regards,
Davide
Thank u for share your story
Congrats on fixing your problem!
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The phone turned on with almost 80% of charge, all seemed to work... except that I found 2 issues... I suppose because the case didn't match perfectly anymore (I opened the device 4 times and disassembled-reassembled twice)
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You mentioned the alignment of the phone wasn't the same as before....
Did your battery swell or change shape at all during this process?
If so could be a sign its on its way out and needs replacement.
A dying G2 lithium ion battery changes physical shape and completely alters the internal alignment of your components.
May be worth an extra 10.00 to replace your battery at this point with a new one
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Congrats on fixing your problem!
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thank you, I was a bit frustrated because I thought to have broken the motherboard, even if it wasn't very easy I didn't surrend and I won!
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You mentioned the alignment of the phone wasn't the same as before....
Did your battery swell or change shape at all during this process?
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I understand what you mean but no I don't think so... it seemed the same size
anyway battery has less than 1 year of life and never showed symptoms or bad behavior, right now is running as before... I can pass easily 24h without recharge
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thank you, I was a bit frustrated because I thought to have broken the motherboard, even if it wasn't very easy I didn't surrend and I won!
I understand what you mean but no I don't think so... it seemed the same size
anyway battery has less than 1 year of life and never showed symptoms or bad behavior, right now is running as before... I can pass easily 24h without recharge
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Sounds good!
Have you found the source of your alignment being off?
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Have you found the source of your alignment being off?
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I checked and found nothing in particular... just a bit near the sim "area", but it seems just a sort of plastic adaptation... as mentioned before I opened, disassembled, reassembled and then closed it 4-5 times (in just few days)