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Wisbar and Wisbar Desktop - Or SIMILAR SHAREWARE ?

Hi all,
I am a Newbie here !!
Just wondering if anyone here has the Latest WORKING VERSION of Wisbar and Wisbar Desktop . or Something Similar In Shareware Category
jeasbe'

you can download a working version from www.lakeridgesoftware.com

QuaCKeReD said:
you can download a working version from www.lakeridgesoftware.com
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Thanx ! It says : Price: $9.99 USD
I just spent on the New Phone....
I was wondering if ...........any thing that keeps on working forever
(anything Similar that does Not Put Load on the 200 Mhz like the O2 Plus

jeasbe said:
QuaCKeReD said:
you can download a working version from www.lakeridgesoftware.com
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Thanx ! It says : Price: $9.99 USD
I just spent on the New Phone....
I was wondering if ...........any thing that keeps on working forever
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Well, if you buy it, there's no reason it shouldn't.

chris who writes the software does an awsome job and deservs all the support he can get. if u can spend the $$$ on a nice pda spend some on the best software u can use

Jeasbe,
I am sorry mate but it is people like you that makes it so hard for developers to continue all their hard work, you should be banned forever from this forum.
Sorry to everyone else I will climb down my soapbox now.

Mikebj said:
Jeasbe,
I am sorry mate but it is people like you that makes it so hard for developers to continue all their hard work, you should be banned forever from this forum.
Sorry to everyone else I will climb down my soapbox now.
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Well said mike - we wont make you PM at the moment, maybe a MP though! :wink:

Mark,
We are into development our selfes so it really makes me loose it when I see requests like this.
I guess people simply dont realize how many man hours is spent on developing, testing, remove bugs, more testing etc., to finally see some clever kid crack the security (if any) and give it away for free, or even worse selling compiled CD's with all the latest software on Ebay.
LOL I am really sorry, just cant help my self.
*Mike swiftly climbs dow again*

Mikebj said:
Mark,
We are into development our selfes so it really makes me loose it when I see requests like this.
I guess people simply dont realize how many man hours is spent on developing, testing, remove bugs, more testing etc., to finally see some clever kid crack the security (if any) and give it away for free, or even worse selling compiled CD's with all the latest software on Ebay.
LOL I am really sorry, just cant help my self.
*Mike swiftly climbs dow again*
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I totally agree mike it really bugs me too -$10 is nothing for a program, most PPC programs are cheap, so its not a problem really. Out of interest what software do you develop?

Mark,
We are working on a very promising program right now, and all I can say at the moment is that it has something to do with an alternative to Itunes for Ipod's.
Othervise we work for companies developing frontends for their databases like MS SQL Server, and Access(though that is getting less and less) either as stand alone programs or integrated as a dynamic website.
We have just replaced our phones with O2 XDA Mini S(don't know how we could ever live without them lol) and have all ready had some ideas for a few pieces of software/utilities for them, so lets see when we can find the time to do something about it.
All I need now is a Tom Tom kit so my Ipaq can go in the car and be upgraded to my super navigator lol.

Mikebj said:
Mark,
We are working on a very promising program right now, and all I can say at the moment is that it has something to do with an alternative to Itunes for Ipod's.
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Well please keep the forum informed of progress of above program if possible - sounds good. I use my wizard alot for playing music - love those stereo speakers!
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It always amuses me that people can drop $300 on a new device, but somehow can't seem to afford a $10 software application.
The really sad thing is they just don't understand what an incredible bargain they're getting in a software title like WisBar.
:roll:
Just gotta wonder...

I had a go with the trial version of Wisbar, but binned it when I found the skins don't work properly when I switched to landscape mode. I'd maybe consider paying for it if it worked properly. :roll:

Hi New version now works fine with the Wizard and landscape switch
Give it a try
Jules

jeasbe: as you may have noticed, the name of this site is xda developers. Although most of us develop stuff that is free anyway, all developing takes time and effort and potential divorce settlements.
As everyone has said, spending a tiny fraction of the price of your phone on software that you will use permanently, and gain great pleasure from, is certainly worth even a little of your money. I suggest you try the trial, and if you like it, you know what to do. Wisbar is seminal software, and you will benefit from it. Whether you appreciate the memory drain etc is your choice. But there is also a lite version.
As far as I can tell, the board doesn't have a publicised policy on distributing warez. But the board members have made it clear: we don't appreciate people too cheap to pay for software that they can easily afford to buy, or too lazy to go and find their own cracks.
FYI - my personal policy is, I'm happy to discuss making cracks, since that's a developer's art, but distributing warez and cracks is for other boards. Torrent is your friend. Or a credit card.
V

Mikebj said:
Jeasbe,
I am sorry mate but it is people like you that makes it so hard for developers to continue all their hard work, you should be banned forever from this forum.
Sorry to everyone else I will climb down my soapbox now.
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Thats NOT FAIR Mate. All I said was If there is any software in the FREEWARE CATEGORY.
I never mentioned a WORD CRACK or illegal as many ppl. have done on the Forum.
Perhaps U should have read My words clearly.
I had said "I was wondering if ...........any thing that keeps on working forever"
ANYTHING means ANY THING LIKE WISBAR which is a shareware.
Its easy for us to act Arrogant and hurt one another on the forum buddy.
If U feel happy that way, Let it be.
By the way, This message was Posted By a Microsoft Certified Professional who values The Hours spent in developing anything.
Be it a Small Wisbar or a WINDOWS VISTA.
How many of us who are members here are Not having e-mule or bittorrent and are not interested in downloading the Latest OS ??
We all have our Priorities Mate and Mine was simply a shareware like Wisbar which would keep on working forever.
Thanx and Sorry If I said anything Personal
jeasbe'

Hm, I agree with all of this in a way...
But theres other ways to make money from software.
Sites that gain from advertising and offering free software with an optional donation if the program if good.

vijay555 said:
jeasbe: as you may have noticed, the name of this site is xda developers. Although most of us develop stuff that is free anyway, all developing takes time and effort and potential divorce settlements.
As everyone has said, spending a tiny fraction of the price of your phone on software that you will use permanently, and gain great pleasure from, is certainly worth even a little of your money. I suggest you try the trial, and if you like it, you know what to do. Wisbar is seminal software, and you will benefit from it. Whether you appreciate the memory drain etc is your choice. But there is also a lite version.
As far as I can tell, the board doesn't have a publicised policy on distributing warez. But the board members have made it clear: we don't appreciate people too cheap to pay for software that they can easily afford to buy, or too lazy to go and find their own cracks.
FYI - my personal policy is, I'm happy to discuss making cracks, since that's a developer's art, but distributing warez and cracks is for other boards. Torrent is your friend. Or a credit card.
V
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WELL QUOTED VIJAY,
I LIKED THE WAY u put the things.
I appreciate your suggestions and Even though some members Posts were hurting to My Ego, Your understanding Message was a relief that theer still are people in this world who dont hide from the harsh realities of the world.
In fact as I was still posting the message someone from some other corner of this lonely planet had already sent me the link for the crack and i even got a file from another friend....
As Put By VIJAY "I'm happy to discuss making cracks, since that's a developer's art, "

jeasbe said:
Mikebj said:
Jeasbe,
I am sorry mate but it is people like you that makes it so hard for developers to continue all their hard work, you should be banned forever from this forum.
Sorry to everyone else I will climb down my soapbox now.
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Thats NOT FAIR Mate. All I said was If there is any software in the FREEWARE CATEGORY.
I never mentioned a WORD CRACK or illegal as many ppl. have done on the Forum.
Perhaps U should have read My words clearly.
I had said "I was wondering if ...........any thing that keeps on working forever"
ANYTHING means ANY THING LIKE WISBAR which is a shareware.
Its easy for us to act Arrogant and hurt one another on the forum buddy.
If U feel happy that way, Let it be.
By the way, This message was Posted By a Microsoft Certified Professional who values The Hours spent in developing anything.
Be it a Small Wisbar or a WINDOWS VISTA.
How many of us who are members here are Not having e-mule or bittorrent and are not interested in downloading the Latest OS ??
We all have our Priorities Mate and Mine was simply a shareware like Wisbar which would keep on working forever.
Thanx and Sorry If I said anything Personal
jeasbe'
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Your original "subject" said something about "warez", didn't it? And as for Microsoft Certified Professional: I've got that, too. Actually, I've got a few more of those certs. The way I see it, MCP is far too easy to get. Any monkey can be trained to pass some of the easier exams using a braindump.
You'll have to learn that quality comes at a cost. And I'm sorry to say this, but so far I haven't been very impressed by the quality of some Indian "System Engineers" who have come over here and tried to take business away from me. Yes, they might be cheaper - in the beginning. But in the long run, quality and experience do make a difference, and customers tend to come back.
On the other hand, I also know some guys from India who are really very good. I'm wondering in what category to put an "MCP" from India who, after not being able to find a crack on BitTorrent, eMule or whatever has the gall to ask for one in this forum.
'nuff said.

dma97701 said:
It always amuses me that people can drop $300 on a new device, but somehow can't seem to afford a $10 software application.
The really sad thing is they just don't understand what an incredible bargain they're getting in a software title like WisBar.
:roll:
Just gotta wonder...
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IT Amuses Me even More that Some people Just joined this forum TODAY and the first thing they did was scorn at others interest for some shareare.
Anyway, to each his own

Ultrasoft money Registration Code

Do you have ultrasoft Money for Windows mobile Cracker?

Ahem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=221545
11. No Piracy
We don't tolerate piracy facilitated through this board. What you do in your own time is your business, but this is a publicly used resource and we don't want to be threatened with legal action. Please, use common sense and respect the forum, its users, and those coders that write great code.
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Warez is forbidden on this forum. Do not ask for it, do not post the links to it, do not post warez here. You only get one warning then ban.

We don't want to be threatened with legal action.
THEY will sue us, and come after YOU. YOU cannot escape THEM. THEY will find you, and take proper action.

KarhU said:
Warez is forbidden on this forum. Do not ask for it, do not post the links to it, do not post warez here. You only get one warning then ban.
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OK thank you very much!!!

May I ask, does the cracking the ROM is allowed and permitted by the manufacturer? Or is this also another form of hacking... just askin...

Yagbadoodles said:
May I ask, does the cracking the ROM is allowed and permitted by the manufacturer? Or is this also another form of hacking... just askin...
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Did you not read my post?
We don't want to be threatened with legal action.
THEY will sue us, and come after YOU. YOU cannot escape THEM. THEY will find you, and take proper action.
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I read it, that is why I am asking because I saw some ROM modification topics hosted here.

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Ahem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=221545
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I read it, that is why I am asking because I saw some ROM modification topics hosted here.

ROM modification is regarded as OK, because you can not buy the ROM in a shop or online (same goes for HTC software here), but cracking apps that are commercially available is a big no no here. Note that ROMs are not stored on this forum because of the possible legal actions too.

KarhU said:
ROM modification is regarded as OK, because you can not buy the ROM in a shop or online (same goes for HTC software here), but cracking apps that are commercially available is a big no no here. Note that ROMs are not stored on this forum because of the possible legal actions too.
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Yeah, ROM is not saved on this forum, becuase this is a forum and not a file hosting server e.g. rapidshare and mega upload. And Nielson admitted that modifying the ROM is not legal and it means unethical. But still the this forum is referencing the hosted ROM from the hosting server (RapidShare). And from the title itself of this thread "Development and Hacking", it pertains to hacking... just confused.

KarhU said:
ROM modification is regarded as OK, because you can not buy the ROM in a shop or online (same goes for HTC software here), but cracking apps that are commercially available is a big no no here. Note that ROMs are not stored on this forum because of the possible legal actions too.
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Question, does ROM modification is permitted by the manufacturer? Do they allow this and endorse this? If not, then it is not legal...

Question, does ROM modification is permitted by the manufacturer? Do they allow this and endorse this? If not, then it is not legal...
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Well yes and no. There has been an interesting conversation about warez in this thread.
Illegal or not ROM hacking does not damage sales of the device or OS manufacturer (as you buy the licence to OS by buying the device and OS itself is not commercially available) as opposed to warez. ROMs were hosted at this forum until M$ demanded them to be pulled last year. Legality or illegality of ROM hacking is a hard quaetion to answer - try to post your questions and objections to the thread I linked.

One reply for all from the abovementioned thread.

KarhU said:
Well yes and no. There has been an interesting conversation about warez in this thread.
Illegal or not ROM hacking does not damage sales of the device or OS manufacturer (as you buy the licence to OS by buying the device and OS itself is not commercially available) as opposed to warez. ROMs were hosted at this forum until M$ demanded them to be pulled last year. Legality or illegality of ROM hacking is a hard quaetion to answer - try to post your questions and objections to the thread I linked.
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Thnanks anyway....

Yagbadoodles said:
Thnanks anyway....
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You are welcome. Welcome to this forum. Observe the rules and you will find a lot of interesting stuff going on over here. Many great freeware pocket PC apps were created here on xda devs - S2U2, Battery Status Today plugin, FTouchFlo... I know it is not what you were looking for, but this place has lots to offer anyway.

Mga pinoy talaga pasaway!
Sorry for posting in our native language.. I just felt the need to say it. I'll just summarize:
ROMS are "not for sale". It's bundled with our devices. We just modify it to work better. No piracy.
Giving software that are "for sale" for free is piracy.
WAREZ = piracy.

DaVince said:
Mga pinoy talaga pasaway!
Sorry for posting in our native language.. I just felt the need to say it. I'll just summarize:
ROMS are "not for sale". It's bundled with our devices. We just modify it to work better. No piracy.
Giving software that are "for sale" for free is piracy.
WAREZ = piracy.
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But, does ROM can be treat as Open Source? If yes, we don't have issues; but re-engineering the software like ROM is prohibited as per manufacturer's EULA. Yes it is free and if the goal if for goodness, does it compensate the violation of EULA Terms and Conditions? Still it is un-ethical.
It is not just as simple as "Not For Sale" means no Piracy.

Let's just call it a grey legal area, and be grateful that MS and the various hardware manufacturers don't attempt to crack down on it.

Changing IMEI on HTC Touch

Hi, I'm new to the site, and I wanted to ask if someone could please help me change my HTC Touch IMEI... Most of the solutions I found on google didn't work well, maybe because I'm using a newer SPL? Please help, I'm totaly new to this kind of things...
Thanks in advance

It's illegal in most countries.

I know, but I saw that there are some programs to edit it here, so I think I am allowed to ask...

ricky92 said:
I know, but I saw that there are some programs to edit it here, so I think I am allowed to ask...
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its illegal like the man said...so no you are not allowed to ask [Mod Edit for Language] Thank you

It's illegal to record someonethat doesn't know it,but you can still buy spycameras... Not that I condone it, but the program isn't illegal.

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its illegal like the man said...so no you are not allowed to ask...[Mod Edit for Language]...Thank you
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First of all, I think you should just calm down. I have just kindly asked for a solution and you insult me. What a nice person you are, really... Even if it's not legal I'm sure it's not disallowed to post such things here, or most of the posts/programs I found here using google would have been deleted...

Dnt worry..just reported him
There is a thread some were by the name " Changin IMEI is going to get u a score "...look in that maybe its helpful for u

Quick Mod Note:
Just because something is illegal that doesn't mean you can't ask about it. Granted you probably won't get much legit help with it but asking the question is fair game.
There was a changer written by a member to help those who have "legit" use for such a tool. Of course the thread was allowed to live after much Moderator discussion about it but there were heavy warnings abotu the legality of doing such to your phone. Also note that this was back when the Wizard was king so I doubt it will work for newer devices.

Two Reasons for IMEI Change
1. You have a stolen phone
2. Your a terrorist

Thanks for the help, is the program iWizard? I found it, and well, it just tells me my IMEI is composed by numbers and LETTERS xD
Well, then my question becomes another one: is there a way to downgrade from SPL 2.60 (I think... how do I find it?) to a lower one, just to try if it works?
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@obsydian
No, it's not a stolen phone neither I am a terrorist (what would a terrorist do with a changed IMEI?!? )... It's my father's old phone which he believed it got stolen, so he blocked the IMEI... now that ha has found it again (he left it in our house on the seaside, where I am writing from) he gave it to me because he bought a new one and he doesn't have the bill here, so he can't unlock the IMEI now. I can stil use it as a smartphone and I really like it, but I don't like taking 2 phones with me... so I wanted to fix it, at least temporary (we're going back home in August... -_-"). I don't want to do anything EXTREMELY illegal, just change the IMEI for a few months...

Some European countries (like Turkey) require you to pay import tax on phones purchased out of country before they can be activated. Basically instead of operating on a blacklist to block stolen phones your phone must be whitelisted to work. It gets whitelisted when sales tax (or import tax) is paid.
If you don't have an acceptable receipt (basically up to customs if they'll accept eBay/Paypal print-outs) then you can never get the device whitelisted as you can't pay the tax.
So is it completely legal? No.
Is it an understandable situation? Yes.
One of those gray areas where XDA-Devs thrives. No trying to steal but need to bend the rules a bit.
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2. Your a terrorist
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Sorry to bump, still looking for someone to help me downgrade it...

I'm in the same boat, though I need to change the IMEI on my Kaiser. iWizard doesn't even detect my phone.

Kyphur,
you said it right man..I am from Turkey, live in US.. I have a ATT tilt..when I went there in March I registered my phone..but only every two years I can register one phone..so it means I gotta use this tilt over there for 2 years..but i change my phone every 6 months..so this is a grey area..it is a f'ed up rule we have there in Turkey...

[Q] Some questions about legal stuffs..

Hi hi
I was just wondering.. Is it legal to cook fonts like Segoe UI or Droid sans in your public ROMs? Also, is it legal to perhaps cook in an apple startup sound or something similiar? Lastly, how legal is it to cook ROMs? Is it a gray area in any way?
Thanks

Cooking its not Legal at all, WindowsMobile and HTC are trademarks.

af974 said:
Cooking its not Legal at all, WindowsMobile and HTC are trademarks.
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If that's the case, wouldn't this site have been closed down quite a while ago?

Did you read some times agò about Conflipper against HTC?
Or Da_G that was PMed by a WM investigator and was asked to delet his WM builds shared?
I guess XDA Developers site it is not responsable to whatever their users shares in the site......ill try to find the TOS and see what is write about.
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If that's the case, wouldn't this site have been closed down quite a while ago?
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af974 said:
Did you read some times agò about Conflipper against HTC?
Or Da_G that was PMed by a WM investigator and was asked to delet his WM builds shared?
I guess XDA Developers site it is not responsable to whatever their users shares in the site......ill try to find the TOS and see what is write about.
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Yeah I heard about that, not the Da_G part though.. That's why I'm pretty confused.
Then why does warez get removed instantly?
Also, this site is pretty large (and old), so why have MS only contacted those two people?

Yeah..you are right
This is the TOS point 9.....im confused too now,lol
9. Don't get us in trouble.
Don't post copyrighted materials or do other things that will obviously lead to legal trouble. If you wouldn't do it on your own homepage, you probably don't want to do it here either. This does not mean we agree with everything the software piracy lobby try to impose on us, it simply means you cannot break any laws here, since we'll end up dealing with legal hassle caused by you. Please use common sense: respect the forum, its users, and those that write great code.

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Yeah I heard about that, not the Da_G part though.. That's why I'm pretty confused.
Then why does warez get removed instantly?
Also, this site is pretty large (and old), so why have MS only contacted those two people?
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Thats only the very recent history.
I remember when roms/builds were hosted on the xda ftp.
MS eventualy asked to have them removed from xda servers.

Unless the site gets too close to something new, or there are 3rd party issues forcing them to act, I would imagine MS benefits more from the site as it is.
They get a very active community of beta testers and a loyal community of phone purchasers - a lot of whom are like this because they always want the latest stuff. Hence they will (often) also want the latest phones. Hence it counteracts the problem of them delaying purchases by putting new os's on old phones.
Driving it underground would not stop the activity and only really annoy the users.
It will be interesting to see if they change their policy as WP7 comes in and WM6.5 fades out....

If you are new here, perhaps you may not be aware that the MS forced XDA_Developers to remove all the cooked ROMs from its FTP store. Before that all the cooked ROMs were hosted on the XDA-Developer's FTP store.

Yeah but apart from technically enforcing their rights how did that slow down XDA after a week or two? If they really wanted to hurt XDA they could do much more.

I remember an interview with HTC"s chairman where he was saying that XDA was a necessary "evil". Or something like "we need them and they need us" type of thing

[Request] Could someone extract the apk of Polaris Office 4.0?

Hi guys,
I have special but not too strange request: I have seen that at least the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1" comes with Polaris Office version 4.0.xxx preinstalled which seems to be quite nice.
Could someone who ownes the Tab (or has PO 4) use apk etractor or so to extract the apk of the app and share it?
Because some tablets (i.e. the Asus Transformer series) comes with version 3.0 of Polaris office and it would be awesome if someone could post version 4 to which everybody could update then.
Thanks!

Arjoma said:
Hi guys,
I have special but not too strange request: I have seen that at least the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1" comes with Polaris Office version 4.0.xxx preinstalled which seems to be quite nice.
Could someone who ownes the Tab (or has PO 4) use apk etractor or so to extract the apk of the app and share it?
Because some tablets (i.e. the Asus Transformer series) comes with version 3.0 of Polaris office and it would be awesome if someone could post version 4 to which everybody could update then.
Thanks!
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It is a paid software, and asking for users to post a link up to it would be pirating said software.
6. Do not post warez.
If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, either pay or find your cracks and serials somewhere else. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained.

Darunion said:
It is a paid software, and asking for users to post a link up to it would be pirating said software.
6. Do not post warez.
If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, either pay or find your cracks and serials somewhere else. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained.
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Yea this guy hit the nail right on the head. If you want the updated version... Purchase the app.

Darunion said:
It is a paid software, and asking for users to post a link up to it would be pirating said software.
6. Do not post warez.
If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, either pay or find your cracks and serials somewhere else. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained.
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miketoasty said:
Yea this guy hit the nail right on the head. If you want the updated version... Purchase the app.
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Hey, do you know what Polaris Office is? I wouldn't ask for any cracked app or Warez on xda- or anywhere else- and believe it or not, I do buy apps in the Play Store with my mony! The point is that Polaris Office CANNOT be purchased in the Play Store. I'd love to see it in it, but it has never been there (only preinstalled on almost every Smartphone and tablet).
So an apk of Polaris wouldn't be Warez I'd say, it is about the same case as an apk of, say, the launcher of the Xperia S you can install on other Android phones.

Arjoma said:
Hey, do you know what Polaris Office is? I wouldn't ask for any cracked app or Warez on xda- or anywhere else- and believe it or not, I do buy apps in the Play Store with my mony! The point is that Polaris Office CANNOT be purchased in the Play Store. I'd love to see it in it, but it has never been there (only preinstalled on almost every Smartphone and tablet).
So an apk of Polaris wouldn't be Warez I'd say, it is about the same case as an apk of, say, the launcher of the Xperia S you can install on other Android phones.
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Actually it is a paid for app, but they have not released version 4.0 to the general public. It has to do with licensing. Samsung bought the license to include it on the new galaxy tabs. It would be similar to taking windows 7 off your oem computer and uploading it so others can upgrade their versions.
not meaning to attack you as i believe you are an honest person. Licensing stuff sucks but i guess most simply put would be how would infraware react to finding links to polaris office apks on xda when googling.

As already explained above, the software is licensed for release on specific devices, so this is a request for pirated software.
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