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Hi. I've had my Cingular 8525 since mid December or so, but I haven't really done much as far as customizing it or adding apps. I added PocketPuTTY and ended with that. I just bought a 1GB micro SD card, so I'm more comfortable loading things up.
First, though.. I love the look of the default green HTC theme - I'd searched for this and how to load it before, but I didn't find it for the TyTN... I think I found it for the wizard. Does anyone have a copy of this that they can post? Also, I'll have no idea how to install this... any links that would help, or posted guides, would be great!
Second, I've had the 1GB SD card for a little over a week now; I bought a 1GB card instead of a 2GB card as I heard the Hermes doesn't work very well with a 2GB card - that it slows considerably. I've noticed since adding the 1GB card that my 8525 slows down to a point where I have to reset it; I never noticed this before. Any ideas? I haven't been running more programs, and I've only 56MB of storage used on it for mp3s/pictures.
Any and all help is greatly appreciated, thanks!
Sorry to bump, but this question should probably go here also:
I've read a tad about loading other ROMs, and it seems like the South African ROM on this board is pretty popular. I can find threads as far as how to install it, I think, but what benefits does it provide?
Thanks.
The theme should work on the Tytn as well as the Wizard. You can download a HTC green look alike theme from the MS Windows mobile web site.
The green theme may be on your device. When you select Start-Settings-today is there a Windows green theme there? My 8525 had them on there..
As for the SD card. Yes it is a hit or miss issue with them. You sort of need the darn thing for storage but they will cause the device to hiccup... When that happens I usually just pop out the card and pop it back in and it seems to like it better.
Just don't install apps to the card that run in the background and try to write or will force a write to the card on wake up. For me it weather radar, I used to store it on the card and that caused the thing to freeze up like crazy, moved it to main storage and its is better.
As for ROMs I would stick with the one you have now from Cingular. In order to get that ROM on your device you have to downgrade the bootloader to 1.04 then flash the ROM. If mess up the bootloader your phone is dead or bricked as folks here will call it. There is not way to recover. So there is an element of danger downgrading the bootloader. There has not been a good way posted yet to downgrade or to change a ROM with the 1.06 bootloader on the 8525. So I am waiting on that to happen before I take the plunge..
Remember to check the wiki for Hermes folks - link at top of page.
The Green theme is on this page I think:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Dialers
Mike
duman95 said:
. There has not been a good way posted yet to downgrade or to change a ROM with the 1.06 bootloader on the 8525. So I am waiting on that to happen before I take the plunge..
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Simply flash your 8525 with the 1.30 Cingular ROM which has 1.04 bootloader...It's on the wiki and FTP site.
HTC TyTN green theme attached:
also have a noobie hermes question..
i currently have the 8125 and was thinking of getting the 8525 in about a month..
anyone else upgraded from the 8125? is it worth it?
i fiured the extra cpu power would allow much more programs to run better?
and will the same programs i use on 8125 work on 8525?
thanks
I just thought I'd give a quick update: I took the dive this morning and am now running the South African ROM. It was much easier than I thought, but also much more time consuming (waiting for things to complete).
Everything seems to be great so far, but I just now noticed that I can't get onto the internet. I guess I'll play with that later.
I think the most immediately exciting thing for me was seeing the default HTC look when I loaded the ROM. Thank god, no more of that ugly Cingular stuff! It does seem a bit snappier also, but I haven't gotten online to load many things yet.
@HLSniper
Look forward to hearing your findings on the ROM...expecting my 8525 this week and looking for the most current stable and efficient/fast ROM. Thanks for your time.
Regards.......
P.S. would you mind posting the ROM version info so I can find it easier...I would like to try it out as well, thanks again.
kwues said:
@HLSniper
Look forward to hearing your findings on the ROM...expecting my 8525 this week and looking for the most current stable and efficient/fast ROM. Thanks for your time.
Regards.......
P.S. would you mind posting the ROM version info so I can find it easier...I would like to try it out as well, thanks again.
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Sure; I found the ROM in this thread. Made my first few calls with it loaded since my last post, and I can honestly say that call quality has improved; maybe I'm just having a lucky day with service, but it is definately better today (with the new ROM) than yesterday. I can't speak for stability yet, but it's definately faster than the default that shipped with my 8525.
I'm still trying to figure out the internet issue, but I'm almost certain it's my own foolishness to blame for that.
edit (addition):
I forgot to mention this: when loading the ROM it gave me the default HTC theme, which I personally prefer. This was meant for a model (like the TyTN) that has a video camera on the front, though; when dialing to make a phone call you see a 'video' button that wasn't there with the default 8525 ROM. I'm not sure yet if this can be removed or not. Personally, I don't care as long as things work... but it may annoy some people.
guyver2077 said:
also have a noobie hermes question..
i currently have the 8125 and was thinking of getting the 8525 in about a month..
anyone else upgraded from the 8125? is it worth it?
i fiured the extra cpu power would allow much more programs to run better?
and will the same programs i use on 8125 work on 8525?
thanks
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I made the upgrade from the 8125 to the 8525 and love the new device. The major benefit is 3G speeds where available (about 4 to 5 times faster than Edge). I don't notice that much difference in processor speeds, because I was overclocking my 8125, but the 8525 is very fast. All the same programs I was using on my 8125 work on the 8525 except the overclocking program. The 8525 also has a few other hardware improvements especially the scroll wheel on the side for faster movement on any screen. Especially if you have 3G coverage I would encourage the upgrade...if you don't have 3G coverage I might advise you wait for a little price reduction from Cingular on the device before you change.
dwcliff703 said:
I made the upgrade from the 8125 to the 8525 and love the new device. The major benefit is 3G speeds where available (about 4 to 5 times faster than Edge). I don't notice that much difference in processor speeds, because I was overclocking my 8125, but the 8525 is very fast. All the same programs I was using on my 8125 work on the 8525 except the overclocking program. The 8525 also has a few other hardware improvements especially the scroll wheel on the side for faster movement on any screen. Especially if you have 3G coverage I would encourage the upgrade...if you don't have 3G coverage I might advise you wait for a little price reduction from Cingular on the device before you change.
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thanks for that info....
so there is no way to overclock the 8525?
ims ure the price is still ridiculous on this phone but ill be eligible to upgrade next month so ill see what that offer is they offer..
i might sell my 8125 to make this purchase a little easier
Alright! Just to finish up the thread and avoid scaring new users away from ROM upgrades, the South African ROM is working great for me now. After loading it I had no internet access, but following the setup information in Cingular's support area got me going wonderfully.
All is well, and thank you to everyone who tried to help out!
HLSniper said:
Second, I've had the 1GB SD card for a little over a week now; I bought a 1GB card instead of a 2GB card as I heard the Hermes doesn't work very well with a 2GB card - that it slows considerably. I've noticed since adding the 1GB card that my 8525 slows down to a point where I have to reset it; I never noticed this before. Any ideas? I haven't been running more programs, and I've only 56MB of storage used on it for mp3s/pictures.
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You need to also remember that the "x" button on pocketpc's just minimizes the app, so even if you think you're not running too many apps, they will still start to stack up. You should get a task manager program that allows you to see what's running and actually close apps. Personally I use Wisbar Lite, but it's not free and there are a few free alternatives out there.
here is a program i got from the htc webiste to overclock a 8125. i tried it on my t-mobile wing and it works fine. it overclocks up to 300+mhz but 240mhz is most stable.
there is a pretty significant increase in response time after running the program.. simply install on your device>>run the program>>>select speed>>>then hit action>>set clock and presto instant speed
HAs anyone else done this?
Has anyone used this on their P4350 yet? I don't want to wreck my brand new Herald so I wanna know if anyone else has used this to overclock a P4350
Doug M.
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Use the BatteryStatus Plugin can be found in the Prophet forum and was also dicussed here in the Herald forum. It has many more functions plus a much advanced overclocking tool
Hi, I'm rather new to all this. I need a little help. I've installed the soft from idondysh to overclock my herald. It actually works ok. It however doesn't stay overclocked. Any suggestions? Do I need to leave the software active for the herald to remain overclocked?
Exactly, OMAPclock has to run constantly if you want your device to stay overclocked.
has anyone experienced any drawbacks after overclocking>>?
yes... you get addicted to the speed...
it will shorten the lifespan of the processor... but really.. r u planning on using it another 6-10 yrs? didn't think so.
I am very new to this phone... I've been reading around here the last couple days trying to figure this thing out!
Once installing this program, or any other, how can I make sure it's always running?
Thanks!
vazquezp said:
has anyone experienced any drawbacks after overclocking>>?
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Huge drain in batterylife is the biggest side effect you will face.
How do you all get your Wing's to hit 270 ect? I can't go past 221/228 without having crashing problems. If I go for 240 or higher its White scree/Black screen or squiggles. Do i just have a weak phone or something?
huh. i use 286, its crazy stable enough.
Are you still stock rom? its possible that there are stability problems.
Install touchit 2.0 for wings. Awesomelicious.
Then try again.
It's the same rule that applies to any and all processors, every one of them is different. Some just don't overclock as well. Some overclock to crazy numbers.
Mine will go to 312 with no problem but there seems to be an optimal number for each one. It's a question of trying dif. settings. 260 seems to be about right for mine.
I am running touchit 2.0, and am using battery status for an overclocker. i havent tried over 240 but i know at 240 it just goes haywire. anyone else having mem hog issues with touchit 2.0? i start out with 24-25megs on a fresh boot but within a couple hours 0 apps running i'm down to like 10, before even hitting 24hrs i get down to 2.5megs of free memory and i dont have anything running. anyone else having this problem? or do i have a ghetto ass wing from t-mobile?
i got crash on 280+, but undred that is OK -- (normal herald, no wing)
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I am running touchit 2.0, and am using battery status for an overclocker. i havent tried over 240 but i know at 240 it just goes haywire. anyone else having mem hog issues with touchit 2.0? i start out with 24-25megs on a fresh boot but within a couple hours 0 apps running i'm down to like 10, before even hitting 24hrs i get down to 2.5megs of free memory and i dont have anything running. anyone else having this problem? or do i have a ghetto ass wing from t-mobile?
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I have the same problem. But I guess this is the wrong thread :S
At the risk of sounding really dumb, what does "overclocking" do for my device?
Thanks.
it makes your phone process things faster at the risk of overheating your processor mine is at 286 no problems but if your going to overclock you might as well pagepool it and then it runs pretty good
I use batterystatus on dynamic between 156 and 273.
I've noticed that anything under 156 causes that "buzzing" noise that the wing makes ...
Mine is at a constant 299. 312 Freezes it.
i know this might b a stupid question and a question that has been asked alot... i did a search and couldnt find an answer but my question is what is the highest you overclocked your phone and it was stable? im currently running at 240 stable and im sure this will answer alot of questions for anybody who is new to overclocking thx in advanced
dont really think that that many people push it to the max
as both ram speed and sd ram interface being a much bigger bottleneck then cpu
so overclock is more likely to cost precious batt time then anything usefull
I've noticed that my MDA becomes unstable after 230 or so. I'm using an old 1.08 IPL/SPL rom if that has anything to do with it. I have Battery Status so I just use the CPU scaler and it works pretty well.
I'm running @ 232 and have been for months with no noticeable additional battery drain. Running a more-or-less stock WM5.
When i have some high quality video files or a bit more complex software that wizard can't handle at standard frequency (like quake), i run it @260MHZ without any problems. I went up to 273MHz a few times, and it worked fine with TCPMP, but i never used this setting for more than about 20 minutes. When i used different programs (not only the video player) and switched between them (read: normal pda use) i had a few system frezes @273MHz, so i don't consider it a safe setting
I use Battery Status to scale between 147 to 247 with boost set to 260. I have never once in 4 months had it lock up. I use a very stable rom though so that has to help. When using other less stable roms I was getting lock ups often.
Jeff
Help Before I make a mistake.
I Just picked up this 6800 2 weeks ago and im still within my 30 days.
In that 2 weeks I have went from the original 2.17, Beta 3.16, No2Chem5047, Dcd 2.2.6 back to No2Chem5048.
Basicaly I love the phone. I Love the GPS and RevA. I personaly don't use gps because I have a older PPC that I run TomTom6 on. The Keyboard is sweet and the Wifi Is Huge for me.
The problem is the Ram is giving me a huge headache. A clean rom boots for me at 20mb which is ok. I love the software the Touch has and once I start loading it up to make it feel more like a Touch the ram gets crushed. I have tried every Tweak in the book to shut down startup items to shutting down services. I have made compromise with the touch software I can and cannot load because of memory. Basicaly Im sick and tired of this and its giving me a huge headache. Its like I can't make it look the way I want without sacrificing the very limmited memory.
Maybe its me but after a while at 13mb free or lower with nothing running it starts to feel a little slugish.
What it comes down to the size of the phone doesnt bug me . The keyboard is a real thing I worry about but I use the touch keyboard on my mogul for 1 handed texting sometimes so im already use to it. The wifi is great but im feeling I would take more memory at this point I dont want to get rid of my mogul but if I dont I feel I may throw it out the window if I get one more memory error.
i have a htc kaiser (tytn ii) and at&t tilt (branded kaiser) and the sprint mogul. kaisers has 128mb of ram while mogul has 64mb. my mogul runs faster, smoother, and less problematic than the other two. at some point i felt like i needed more ram on the kaiser as well, but when i saw how the mogul ran, i even switched to sprint. so i too hope you wont make the mistake of exchanging it!
I don't know lol. Maybe its just the fact that I dont know these new devices very well and how they are suppose to run. Before this phone I was on several palm treos for 4 + years. The only thing I can compare it to is my old ipaq 2200 and that thing is 5 times faster then my mogul. Maybe its just WM6 is a memory hog.
I guess it feels like its a little sluggish when its running 13 mb or lower. If there was something I could overclock with that might help me a little thro the rough parts.
What I cant Figure out is out of 45.2mb of program memory and usaly 60% or more is gone. where is it all goin lol? I have alot of the services shut down and only my startkey is loaded at startup . I can sit there and watch everything running and the math just doesnt add up to 25+ of ram. Maybe i just not understanding how these things run.
I thought a touch would be the quick fix that i needed since it had 128mb. I dont know I guess ill think about it for a few more days or whatever
I've seen ROM's on the Upgrading forum that have 30 MB free at startup. That's huge, and it makes me wonder why the more popular (no2chem, dcd) ROM's don't have that much free.
Don't do it!
I did just what the OP is thinking about and what a mistake. Although the Touch runs very well, the lack of a physical keyboard is too frustrating for words. Also, the touchscreen is nowhere near as responsive or accurate as the iPhone or iPod Touch. Beware!
For me, the most important feature of the Mogul is the wifi. If it wasn't for that, I'd have a Touch.
Are you using the Oxios memory program? That helps a ton! And you have to be diligent about actually closing out programs and not just minimizing it. Sure it takes a bit of diligence, but having wifi is well worth the effort IMHO.
I dont know if you are, but if you are running the HTC Home today screen plugin, try your phone without that. It slowed down my phone so much, just by having that one plugin on my today screen. I have replaced it with UltimateLaunch and now my phone seems to run twice as fast
I went to the 2.3 DCD rom yesterday. Every other rom had a ton of memory leaks and connection problems.
Tip:Try Spb mobile shell and Spb pocket plus. They do just about everything you can hope for out of HTC mods and they use almost no memory, dont lag up the phone, make your Mogul very touch friendly and look a ton cleaner then anything I have seen anyone make so far. You can make your phone so you almost never have to use the menue ever. I have everything on my desktop and the stuff I dont use constantly is one touch away no stylus needed.
I have tried every cab on the web that I could find and any and all roms I can get my hands on. The only rom that runs well is the latest DCD with Spb mods on it. I will never go back to the HTC stuff untill they can get there **** together. ATM there software sucks HUDGE! Honestly the HTC stuff always stinks imo and always has but thats just my 2 cents.
I feel your pain man... was in the same boat as you... I just got my 6800 a few weeks ago and it really took a lot of playing around with software combinations to find a set that works well...
The wifi and keyboard are really really useful the more I use this thing and I know I wouldn't be able to do without them so I pained into trying to work around this memory problem.
The main thing I found that eats the hell out of memory is today plugins. I had good luck with SPB Mobile Shell but recently just went back to plain jane today options with weatherpanel which seems to be very solid memory wise. That combo'd with Quickmenu for quick-launch ability, I can usually stay around 20mb at all times. Today plugins also lag the heck out of switching between apps... like going into a text message from a notification... no flashy today plugins make a much faster and cleaner operating system.
Very disappointed to see all these memory problems but I don't think it's the device... it's the software..... os and apps.
Well after a few more days of thinking about it and going to best buy to try out the touch. I relized how much I would miss a nice keyboard . Yea the ram was nice but it felt just as sluggish as mogul . Im seriously thinking a small overclock would help both of these devices. Its just to bad theres nothing out there.
I tried the Dcd 2.3.1 the memory was great best rom I seen yet for memory . After a day of useage out of the new dcd I noticed the rom was alot more sluggish of all the wm6.1 roms I tried. Today I went to No2Chem5049 and all I installed was pocket plus and mobile shell.
I had enough of messing around with roms for a while. I am running at 14-15mb free and 17.8 bootup. It feels somewhat responsive and im just gonna sit back and enjoy my phone for once
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I wanted to switch to the touch too. After the new DCD rom I have about 6 more mb than I had before the other ones. I used to have to reboot it about twice a day. Now I could probably do it every other day just to keep things fresh. Right now I'm cooking some roms and testing out NexVision roms to see what one fits me better. Just testing out different things to get it to where I like it.
Is the phone perfect? No but it seems to get better every month. I think it just frustation for me when I want to trade it because it takes forever to get the things you want it. With the UC or cooking your roms, it takes a lot less time to install the programs. I don't notice the ram too much unless I'm down really low. I don't use wifi much and keyboard I'm' fine with either that or touchpal. I would rather have those things than not have them. It doesn't take too long to reset to get my ram back and it is holding better than ever.