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I just recently resigned with Telus on a three year contract that gives me unlimited data for $30/month. Apparently it was offered around Xmas for $15/month. The only restriction is that you cannot use it to tether to your laptop for a data connection through the phone. My question is how do they know? Does the laptop broadcast a different MAC or something that enables Telus to identify whether or not your tethering?
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i dont think there is anyway they know besides observing the type of data youre transmitting/receiving and how much. been tethering for a long time now with no problems.
Which plan is it you are on exactly? i can`t find any info on this on the telus website. I would switch immediately if i can find the info.
It's not on the website but if you phone Telus they have it. My Apex rep in Surrey knew about it and set me up. I think it might expire today or tomorrow so hurry. My P4000 was stolen last month and I needed to replace it. I was only 18 months into a 3 year contract and only had a $200 bonus on my account for a new phone and contract. I was able to talk directly to Telus and get them to let me back into that phone for the $199 on a three year contract. The phone is around $550 without contract.
This is the first time I've seen unlimited data for a reasonable price in Canada.
I still think that there is a way they know your tethering. Perhaps the MAC address is the identifier. I hope someone can shed further light into this. It would be nice if Telus is just saying this to stop me but really don't have a mechanism to identify if you are tethering or not.
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Check on this page, and links on the right side.
http://www.telusmobility.com/bc/services/pcs/email_im_15.shtml
More detailed info on the link below
Select telus smartphones and select the phone you want and it'll show you available plan options for that particular model.
They were offering unlimited internet, email and IM for $15 during the xmas period thru till valentines day, now they re-packaged it for $30 or $45, whatever suits your taste. Way better than any other carrier in Canada.
Funny enough even though it says unlimited, there still is a cap on how much data you can use. It's capped, not quite too sure at how many gigs, but go over that and they will charge you $8/MB. A clause embedded in the plan stating that they have discretion over what they think is abuse of the service.
Only reason I know this is I have a friend of mine who got drunk of the service and used his pda to download content he would normally dl using his home pc, try guessing his reaction when his phone bill came up to $789!! they were courteous enough to send him an itemized bill tracking his usage to fully explain the charges. I thought it was freaking hilarious! I guess moral being If you MUST tether, do it reasonably or don't at all.
http://promo.telusmobility.com/smartphones/index.html?landing=rethink#gg=RatesWhySmartPhonesState
Thank you so much for detailed explanation. I didn't know too much about this, but went directly to $45 when I discovered that promo because that's what I need. Comparing with my initial $25 / 4MB, $45 isn't bad.
I believe as long as I stay on email checkup, and news, stock, and weather update, should be safe.
Question is, if this X-Max, the $15 plan comes back again, am I still eligible to change?
Coolpics said:
Thank you so much for detailed explanation. I didn't know too much about this, but went directly to $45 when I discovered that promo because that's what I need. Comparing with my initial $25 / 4MB, $45 isn't bad.
I believe as long as I stay on email checkup, and news, stock, and weather update, should be safe.
Question is, if this X-Max, the $15 plan comes back again, am I still eligible to change?
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Initially it was first introduced for new clients only but then they extended the offer to existing clients, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to sign up when and if they re-introduce it, it was such a huge success. It can be used as an add-on to your existing plan.
PS: xmas i meant christmas
I got the $15 unlimited internet plan around christmas-time. The only stipulation was that the voice+data plan had to go above $45. Originally it was just being offered for certain phones, then they opened it up to every smartphone. I told all my friends about it, only a couple got it. Now they raised the price to $30 and the ones that missed out are kicking themselves.
I use my phone connection with my laptop using PDANET. great program, invisible tethering.
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Will Internet Connection Sharing ICS (found file on XDA Developers) do the same job as PDAnet at masking tethering to laptop?
Has anyone ever got in trouble because you went over Tmo bandwidth cap? I know it was a big issues when G1 first come out about 10gb cap/month limit.
I was wondering if anyone ever went over the cap limit? if so, what happen? I heard rumors that Tmo will lower the downstream speed to those individuals for the first offense, and then cancel your contract and service for future offense.
The reason I'm asking is because I use my rooted G1 as my main internet source for the past 3 weeks or so because my aunt doesn't want to pay for DSL anymore. I got 3G on my area and on good days I usually get about 750 kbps on my laptop, fast enough to pass by some free time. Lately, I been doing some heavy audio streaming and even downloading TV shows from torrent using my G1.
Pretty sure t-mobile will get pissed about bittorrent
Stop torrenting, and they should leave you alone
i know...but I can't help it. I need to watch my shows. I dont have tivo and can't afford extra bill for the damn internet for the house.
ichigoismyhomie said:
i know...but I can't help it. I need to watch my shows. I dont have tivo and can't afford extra bill for the damn internet for the house.
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use hulu.com it is completely legit and free streaming of shows and movies. ran by a tv station
Stop downloading so much, it makes the network slow for everyone else. If you do illegal activities on the phone I sure there will be some back lash. And if you keep this up they will make tethering against TOS, and you will ruin it for everyone.
is it possible to tehter on a tmobiile rc30 stock rom? and if so how?
Hate to be redundant, but I seriously hope that when T-mobile cracks down that they don't take out some poor guy who needs to ssh into a server and generates 10kb of traffic when they bust you for transferring multiple GB of bittorrent traffic.
The cost of bandwidth of a cell phone is VASTLY higher than over DSL or Cable. Radio bandwidth is a very limited commodity, and right now the networks barely have enough to serve their customers who just want to browse the web a little and watch the odd YouTube video (at low resolution).
If you have torrents seeding 24x7 you're going to use hundreds or thousands of times more bandwidth than an average user, and it is going to cause problems. Most likely you'll just get your service cut off (so then you'll be complaining about how you don't have DSL OR a cell phone). However, other possibilities include T-Mo blocking everything but port 80 and maybe 25. Please don't be the guy who does this to android...
Look, I'm all for net-neutrality and all that, and ISPs that have draconian filters need to be forced to remove them. However, you really can't compare a landline ISP that doesn't want you to do nothing more than web browse to a cell phone provider who wants you to stick to interactive use or otherwise low-bandwidth activities. Ditto for stuff like satellite-based internet. In these mediums bandwidth is genuinely limited.
If you need an analogy consider walking into a store every day and pocketing all the change in the "give/take a penny" bin. Sure, it is "free money," but you're basically ruining a community resource for even just the tiniest personal benefit. In you're case you're abusing what is likely a $60/month plan or so in order to avoid a $15/month DSL bill (give or take a few bucks).
Yeah cut it out. I heard that once you hit a data cap they drop you to edge speeds for the remainder of the month.
Don't ruin this for everyone. You'll live w/on your movies until you find another way.
ichigoismyhomie said:
i know...but I can't help it. I need to watch my shows.
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It's called growing up. I'm 25 and haven't had internet and TV in MY house for going on 2 years. Do you know what I have a lot of? Books. *gasp*
"I need to watch my shows! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" *pout pout pout*
It's customers like you who are going to cause TMo to start throttling data usage so knock it off. Get a damn job and pay for an ISP yourself. What I quoted from you sounds like something my 8 year old would say.
uberingram said:
It's called growing up. I'm 25 and haven't had internet and TV in MY house for going on 2 years. Do you know what I have a lot of? Books. *gasp*
"I need to watch my shows! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" *pout pout pout*
It's customers like you who are going to cause TMo to start throttling data usage so knock it off. Get a damn job and pay for an ISP yourself. What I quoted from you sounds like something my 8 year old would say.
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I could not agree more. There are people starving in this world, and you NEED your tv shows. That is one of the most pathetic things I have heard in awhile. Here is a novel, parsimonious idea, instead of watching tv, educate yourself. Education can go along way, at least far enough to make you realize what a stupid idea it is to pirate over your cell phone.
ichigoismyhomie said:
i know...but I can't help it. I need to watch my shows. I dont have tivo and can't afford extra bill for the damn internet for the house.
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i understand how you feel, i can't afford internet at all, and so i have to use my phone to do everything like help n00bs on here, when i got my tilt i had 3G and it was great, at&t had a 5GB cap and i went over it repeatedly with no repercussions, i never did more than 10GB on at&t so i seriously doubt i could do that on the edge network i have here with my G1. but from what the t-mo rep tols me the other day, after telling me that it was impossible to tether, and that there is no way to write a program for it, they just knock you down to edge speends for the rest of the month.
i also use the phone for my main source of internet but don't torrent, people that torrent ruin things and it makes everyone hate you.
uberingram said:
It's called growing up. I'm 25 and haven't had internet and TV in MY house for going on 2 years. Do you know what I have a lot of? Books. *gasp*
"I need to watch my shows! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" *pout pout pout*
It's customers like you who are going to cause TMo to start throttling data usage so knock it off. Get a damn job and pay for an ISP yourself. What I quoted from you sounds like something my 8 year old would say.
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I'm so not gonna say anything.
Shaggy (41yrs old)
I think that maybe T-Mobile should charge additional per GB instead of putting a cap on. It should be about $2 per GB over (just an example). Which wouldn't be much for the average user... but for those who torrent it would definitly add up. However that would cause a change in the contract which T-Mobile reserves the right to do without notice. The would probably resort to such measures if everyone started doing this.
uberingram said:
It's called growing up. I'm 25 and haven't had internet and TV in MY house for going on 2 years. Do you know what I have a lot of? Books. *gasp*
"I need to watch my shows! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" *pout pout pout*
It's customers like you who are going to cause TMo to start throttling data usage so knock it off. Get a damn job and pay for an ISP yourself. What I quoted from you sounds like something my 8 year old would say.
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Don't think you're better than anyone just because you don't watch TV. Oh wow you don't have internet or tv in your house ! Why are you on the internet now then? Go read a book, you're wasting bandwidth for the rest of us.
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Don't think you're better than anyone just because you don't watch TV. Oh wow you don't have internet or tv in your house ! Why are you on the internet now then? Go read a book, you're wasting bandwidth for the rest of us.
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growing up... lol that's why he bought the G1.
Binary100100 said:
I think that maybe T-Mobile should charge additional per GB instead of putting a cap on. It should be about $2 per GB over (just an example). Which wouldn't be much for the average user... but for those who torrent it would definitly add up.
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Sounds fine to me. But they better make it possible to opt-out - I don't want some malfunctioning application to run up a $500 phone bill. If I hit a 10GB cap I'd rather they just cut me off.
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However that would cause a change in the contract which T-Mobile reserves the right to do without notice. The would probably resort to such measures if everyone started doing this.
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That would be wonderful! I just got a whole stack of phones at promotional pricing and a unilateral change in contract terms would be a material change that would get me out of my contract!
T-Mobile may not be required to give notice BEFORE changing the contract, but they certainly are required to tell you WHEN they change the contract. If the change is material to the terms of the contract you can refuse to accept the new terms, at which point they must either release you from the contract or continue service under the original terms. If they refused to do this and then tried to charge you a termination fee any court of law in the US would rule in your favor in a heartbeat (and they'd face a class action in no time). The whole point of contracts is that you agree to a set of terms and then you live by them - they can only be ammended by mutual consent. Anything written in the contract to the contrary is almost certainly unenforceable.
Sure, they might try to give you a hard time, but they would cave in. Just look at what happened when verizon decided to up some surcharge by 20 cents per month last year - lots of people argued it and got released from their contracts and continued month-to-month (with the freedom to leave at any time).
I doubt T-mobile would make a unilateral change like this anyway - the reason I signed up with them (besides the G1) is that they seemed to not have a reputation for some of the cheap shots some of the other companies pull.
look use rapidshare or megaupload that way theres no uploading but you still have to watch your limits (i use to go over 40gigs with my TYTN 2 on att and i thank god they never charged me be4 i was able to end my contract)
It was a loop hole I'm sure hundreds of thousands of people exploited and cost T-Mobile millions but they were nice enough to take 2 and a half years to fix but for some reason people seem to think it was they're god given right to pay less then most and still get the same service. Anywho glad its over and if you were a good customer t-mobile are nice enough to give you a discount on a data plan
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It's not closed. Mine still works. It was a maintenance error.
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2 and a half years
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ha this has been a thing since back when the MDA came out & it went out then for a few days/weeks & then came back. People are cheap & will do anything to save $$$ each month. I'm happy with my $20/month service
people think they are entitied to stuff and as a result get pissed when forced to follow the rules.
I am not buying that maint issue either. They ran a query to see what is up and closed it, (if it was a maint issue, one would have ever seen the message stating your plan is incompatable with your device and you need to upgrade message) they then "fix" it for the customer who call in and complain and the rest just update their data plan as requested.
Eventually they are going to close that loophole and that's just too bad if you don't like it and as a consumer you can take your business elsewhere if you think you can get a better deal
I never had to call T-Mobile. I hadn't used the internet all day and when I did, I had no issues what so ever. Everything was fixed before I even noticed.
T-Mobile Web (Unlimited T-Zones) $5.99 Restoration
Maybe they will close it but I'm sure they will let me know before they cut it off so I can pick another plan. In the mean time, I'll just go on saving $14.00 every month.
I think you're just angry because you don't have T-Zones.
It's the principle of the thing. People are *****ing because something that have used for years, knowingly against the "rules"(or against what T-Mobile wants if you will) is finally getting closed off. I mean, I used to have SunCom, and got my unlimited data plan from them grandfathered in at 14.99 a month when they got bought by T-Mobile...but it would only allow me to get EDGE speeds. I was told upgront about T-Zones, but that if I switched to a "smart" phone(coming from SunCom with the Excalibur no less) I would have to upgrade to the "full" internet package at 20USD. I mean seriously, T-Zones is meant for feature phones. It's not there so that people "in the know" can proxy around the rules and get cheap internet, its so that people with non-smartphones(the poor souls) can just get online via a regular phone to do simple tasks...nothing super network intensive. The 20USD plan isn't just T-mobile getting more money out of you because they can, its because if you have a smartphone, you are more than likely streaming video or music, downloading programs, getting email...all that jazz, constantly, and it all uses bandwidth...which ain't free. And its MUCH more bandwidth than a dumbphone checking email or IM'ing uses. Anywho, thats my peice. Like it or leave it I don't really care.
I don't know what rules you're talking about. I bought my HD2 outright when it came out so I didn't have to change my plan. The T-Mobile clerk didn't tell me anything about having to change plans. Probably because I wasn't getting a subsidized phone requiring a new plan. If it makes you happy, if I upgrade to an Android phone on T-Mobile I will be required to upgrade to another data plan as soon as the system scans my IMEI number on the network. I'll bet they will have the same requirement for new WP7 phones when they come out. So in all likelihood I will be required to get a new data plan with my very next phone purchase, whether I buy the phone outright or not.
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I don't know what rules you're talking about. I bought my HD2 outright when it came out so I didn't have to change my plan. The T-Mobile clerk didn't tell me anything about having to change plans. Probably because I wasn't getting a subsidized phone requiring a new plan. If it makes you happy, if I upgrade to an Android phone on T-Mobile I will be required to upgrade to another data plan as soon as the system scans my IMEI number on the network. I'll bet they will have the same requirement for new WP7 phones when they come out. So in all likelihood I will be required to get a new data plan with my very next phone purchase, whether I buy the phone outright or not.
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might want to go brush up on t-mobile's terms and conditions.....they clearly state that certain internet plans are meant for certain phones....like I said if you don't like it, too bad you can go elsewhere if you think you can get a good deal. No reason to get all pissy about it. and yes you are ripping off t-mobile and you know it's wrong so you know what they say about karma.....
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might want to go brush up on t-mobile's terms and conditions.....they clearly state that certain internet plans are meant for certain phones....like I said if you don't like it, too bad you can go elsewhere if you think you can get a good deal. No reason to get all pissy about it. and yes you are ripping off t-mobile and you know it's wrong so you know what they say about karma.....
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The only person getting pissy about it is you. Go back and read what I wrote. If and when T-Mobile requires me to change my plan, they will let me know. If they aren't telling me I need to change, then I don't need to change. It's really not for you to decide what the rules are.
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The only person getting pissy about it is you. Go back and read what I wrote. If and when T-Mobile requires me to change my plan, they will let me know. If they aren't telling me I need to change, then I don't need to change. It's really not for you to decide what the rules are.
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Not for me to decide? Wake up grasshopper I don't make the rules Tmo does lol.........(amd btw I never said it was up to me nor did I imply it was) I just told you to go back and read what TMo's terms of use are and they do not include using a $5 and $10 plan on the HD2
Do you guys think that for even a moment that it was some maint issue? lol....keep dreaming....
Funny how those of us who are on the supported plans for the phone did not get the "Please upgrade your data plan" message even though we were on the network at the same time as all of you guys who got the message...
I think it's funny when you get all of the whiners in here saying OMG I can't getz Internetz on my HD2 using an unsupported planz anymorez....even though they knew they were in the wrong....
If you are grandfathered in on a specific unlimited plan, that's fine but you have no room to complain when you go buy a $10 plan and try to use it with a smart phone and you get smaked down like a redheaded step child.
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Not for me to decide? Wake up grasshopper I don't make the rules Tmo does lol.........(amd btw I never said it was up to me nor did I imply it was) I just told you to go back and read what TMo's terms of use are and they do not include using a $5 and $10 plan on the HD2
Do you guys think that for even a moment that it was some maint issue? lol....keep dreaming....
Funny how those of us who are on the supported plans for the phone did not get the "Please upgrade your data plan" message even though we were on the network at the same time as all of you guys who got the message...
I think it's funny when you get all of the whiners in here saying OMG I can't getz Internetz on my HD2 using an unsupported planz anymorez....even though they knew they were in the wrong....
If you are grandfathered in on a specific unlimited plan, that's fine but you have no room to complain when you go buy a $10 plan and try to use it with a smart phone and you get smaked down like a redheaded step child.
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Ah, I see now. You're just trolling.
Folks, I switched to the $20 plan yesterday after 4 days of almost solid outages. It would work occasionally, but mostly not.
One call to T-Mo the gal said there was a issue and they were working it, but when I called back later they said that there was a software change this weekend in order to cut off the access that we were using. I explained that I had the service for quite a while, back to when I bought my Dash, and she looked at my records and saw that I bought the HD2 as an upgrade and said my account had not been updated when I bought the phone and it was not eligable for T-Zones service, and wanted me to get the $30 service. I talked her into the $20 plan, and it seems to be working fine, although T-Zones doesn't show up on my plan online anymore neither does the $20 plan.
I suspect the rumor about the new CEO coming in and tidying up things is correct, and anyway, now mail works properly (SMTP outbound) and some other apps I have wanted to use as well.
Marc
tmo readz xda...
i have the $30 plan since April on my Leo, not gonna change cuz $10 isn't a big deal...
btw, no message sent to my toy.
Well ... yesterday I almost pulled a trigger and moved to $20 total internet package. And I'm glad I didnt, because TZones works again on my HD2. I know it is a loophole. And I WAS and WILL get pissed when they will close it.
Why ? In addition to be used to have it there are other things too
E.g. I'm on grandfathered plan with 600 shared minutes. I cannot move to 750 EM+ plan W/O a contract for the same price, because I will lose my TZones. I cannot add "kids free" lines to my account, because it is only for EM/EM+ plans. So I lose free extra line and 150 extra minutes a month just because I want to keep $5.99 TZones. Or I purchased my HD2 for full price (instead of 2 for $200 promo or 1 for $160 promo), because I'm not able to buy it subsidized from TMO w/o buying total internet and losing my $5.99 TZones.
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Ah, I see now. You're just trolling.
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Ah, I see you're just ignorant of the facts as they are lol
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Ah, I see you're just ignorant of the facts as they are lol
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No, that would be you. lol yourself.
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No, that would be you. lol yourself.
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lol gee I wish I was like 2 again so I could think of something cool like that to say lol.......
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lol gee I wish I was like 2 again so I could think of something cool like that to say lol.......
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Tell you what, you find where it says anywhere from T-Mobile that I need to have a different plan then T-zones for my HD2 and post a link to it and I'll admit you're right. You just saying it doesn't mean anything.
wasn't that hard to find
10. * Data Plans and Other Features. You will be charged for data usage on a pay per use basis unless you are required to maintain a data plan (“Data Plan”) as part of your Service, or as otherwise provided by your Rate Plan or prepaid data pass. Permissible and Prohibited Uses: Your Data Plan is intended for Web browsing, messaging, and similar activities on your Device and not on any other equipment. Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, using your Device as a modem or tethering your Device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted. Other examples of prohibited uses can be found in Section 17. Protective Measures: To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. If your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change without notice; please check T-Mobile’s T&Cs on www.T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle. If you use your Data Plan in a manner that could interfere with other customers’ service, affect our ability to allocate network capacity among customers, or degrade service quality for other customers, we may suspend, terminate, or restrict your data session, or switch you to a more appropriate Data Plan. Downloadable Content and Applications: Content or Applications (e.g., downloadable or networked applications, wallpapers, ringtones, games, and productivity tools) (“Content & Apps”) that you can purchase with your Device may not be sold by T-Mobile. For some third party purchases, although the charges may appear on your T-Mobile bill, T-Mobile is not responsible for the Content & Apps, including download, installation, use, transmission failure, interruption, or delay, or any content or website you may be able to access through the Content & Apps. Any support questions for these Content & Apps may be directed to the third party seller. You may be able to restrict access and certain services by implementing controls available at www.T-Mobile.com or by calling T-Mobile. When you use, download or install Content & Apps sold by a third party seller, you may be subject to license terms between you and third parties. When you use, download, or install Content & Apps that you purchase from T-Mobile, the Content & Apps are licensed to you by T-Mobile and may be subject to additional license terms between you and third parties. Whether purchased from T-Mobile or a third party, any Content & Apps you purchase are licensed for personal, lawful, non-commercial use on your Device only. You may not transfer, copy, or reverse engineer any Content & Apps, or alter, disable or circumvent any digital rights management security features embedded in the Content & Apps. Content & Apps may not be transferable from one Device to another Device. Some Devices or Content & Apps may continue to have contact with our network without your knowledge which may result in additional Charges, for example, while roaming internationally. Software on your Device may automatically shut down or limit the use of Content & Apps or other features or Services without warning. T-Mobile is not responsible for any third party content, advertisements, or websites you may be able to access using your Device. Use of Information: T-Mobile may retain, use, and share information collected when you download, use, or install some Content & Apps, may update your Content & Apps remotely, or may disable or remove any Content & Apps at any time. Refer to T-Mobile’s Privacy Policy, as well as the Content & Apps creator/owner’s privacy policy for information regarding their use of information collected when you download, install, or use any third party Content & Apps. We are not responsible for any transmission failure, interruption, or delay related to Content & Apps, or any content or website you may be able to access through the Content & Apps. Wi-Fi Calling: You acknowledge and agree that your use of any Wi-Fi network is permissible and that you (and not T-Mobile) are responsible for your use. Cell Broadcasts (alerts that go to certain customers) and Wireless Priority Service (WPS) may not be available with Wi-Fi Calling.
The bolded section covers the part about being switched to an approperiate plan
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How does that apply to T-Zones on the HD2?
Not sure where this question would go, or if its legit.
But is there a way to get a lower bill? I think Im paying too much and not sure if theres a way to ask for a different plan, complain, etc.
Currently have 2 phones, my wifes and mine.
I have the Ft even more unlimited which is 99.99
family unlimited messages 20.00
Her web 30.00 and my web is 30.00
She has a sidekick and never uses the web. We even tried calling to have it cancelled and we got some run around that sidekicks use Danger server so you need internet adn you cant cancel it or it wont even work. Dunno how true that is.
But 100 seems a bit high for just calls.
Looks like we used about 2100 mins total last month. I dunno, I need to start saving and this is killing me. I hear people saying they have $60 bills, etc but never tell me what they have or I suspect theyre lying. the wife keeps picking contracts..
Thelgow said:
Not sure where this question would go, or if its legit.
But is there a way to get a lower bill? I think Im paying too much and not sure if theres a way to ask for a different plan, complain, etc.
Currently have 2 phones, my wifes and mine.
I have the Ft even more unlimited which is 99.99
family unlimited messages 20.00
Her web 30.00 and my web is 30.00
She has a sidekick and never uses the web. We even tried calling to have it cancelled and we got some run around that sidekicks use Danger server so you need internet adn you cant cancel it or it wont even work. Dunno how true that is.
But 100 seems a bit high for just calls.
Looks like we used about 2100 mins total last month. I dunno, I need to start saving and this is killing me. I hear people saying they have $60 bills, etc but never tell me what they have or I suspect theyre lying. the wife keeps picking contracts..
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The Sidekick DOES use Danger's servers for anything web-related (including MMS). This is how Blackberries work also (except they use RIM's servers). You can pseudo-unlock a Sidekick to work on AT&T, without a computer and I know because I've done it. Phone and SMS still work fine because they're not dependent on the internet. But you still have to dispute your case with T-Mobile.
u can get the even more plus plan. my ex-wife and i both had blackberries and we were paying 139 for unlim talk text and web. the even more plus has the drawback that there is no contract so u can't get a new phone for the low price. u have to pay full price but they stretch it over 2 yrs so u r paying minor payments.
Nod, Id rather not deal with the contracts thing because something always happens. Ive thought of trying other carriers, but ive been with them since voicestream and would rather stick to em and save some funds.
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Nod, Id rather not deal with the contracts thing because something always happens. Ive thought of trying other carriers, but ive been with them since voicestream and would rather stick to em and save some funds.
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I have also been with them since the voicestream days and was in the same predicament you are in. I had multiple chats with customer service personnel, which led to me getting transferred up the chain to the retention department.
I let them know that I was not happy about the current price of my plan since other carriers started rolling out more cost-friendly deals. Bottom line is I cited comparative plans from other carriers that would give me more for equal or less, and despite being a loyal customer, I was starting to waffle with the idea of paying the early termination fee and switching.
They were able to provide a few preferred services such as unlimited text for 9.99, as well as some other perks. I talked with many people and had different results, so when I was able to speak with someone who promised me a lower price on the service, I documented it with their name, contact information, etc. just to be sure they weren't duping me.
Let them know that you understand they are running a business and need to be firm, fair, and consistent. Sympathize with the fact that if they gave you a deal, they would have to give everyone a deal--but slip in the fact that you've been a loyal customer for X amount of years with an outstanding track record and would like it to stay that way.
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Trade that Sidekick for a T-Mobile Comet. No regrets if you do that. Plus 10 dollar data plan!
Like other carriers, T-mobile charges exorbitant rates for any device they classify as a 'smart phone'. The simplest way around it is to get an an unlocked phone which is a smart phone, but not in their database, or not offered by them... as they can determine the type of phone based on the ESN. In this way you can sign up for whatever services you want ala-cart. If you are paying more than $15 for internet, call them up and tell them you want the 'total internet package' this is a term used for their legacy internet service which costs $15/month for unlimited, it also uses 4g. It is not offered to customers under a long term contractual agreement or customers using devices classified as 'smart phones' normally. If you have a android device I recommend using this guide I created:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19619155#post19619155
This will allow you to drastically cut money spent on voice minutes and completely cut SMS costs provided you have a data plan, and wifi spots you visit regularly...
i would just go with simple mobile and get your phone unlocked
I switched to their new plan a couple months ago. We pay $99 for two lines. It includes unlimited talk, text, and data. The data slows at 2gb (I have never come close to that anyway). The only hitch is there is no subsidy on phones. If you already have phones that you like, you should be ok.
I agree the Value plan ( 100 for two lines unlimited everything ) is the best plan right now. You dont get "upgrades" instead you pay a small down payment then 3-15 a month depending on retail of the phone. So basically it is a finance plan at 0% interest.
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I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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Free tethering wasn't a feature you signed onto when you signed your contract. It was a nice little extra that Android provided which is clearly not what the carriers wanted and for which they now took away.
Did you see that Sprint just had a net loss of almost 850 million dollars... Despite a GAIN of 1 million subscribers. They have to do something lol.
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I was pissed about that as well, mostly because when I bought the phone the rep said it was a feature of the phone and since google was in charge of updates that sprint couldn't take it away. However, in another thread someone pointed out to me that tethering is an explicit violation of the terms of service agreement and the phone is subsidized by sprint so they are not really doing anything that you could sue them about. It is disappointing, but at least getting it back is easy through rooting.
Is this thread serious?
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the tethering app itself is there and still works, it does what the app is supposed to do. sprint how ever just disabled the connection on their end to accounts that dont have the add on........which is totally their right to do. while the app comes with the phone is free no one ever said the service was included
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Did you see that Sprint just had a net loss of almost 850 million dollars... Despite a GAIN of 1 million subscribers. They have to do something lol.
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More than 600,000 of those were in the prepaid sector. They actually had a net loss of more than 100,000 in the post paid sector.
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With Sprint I sort of understand the legitimacy of wanting to charge extra for tethering, since they have true unlimited data and people who tether regularly can use an assload of bandwidth. But the other carriers all cap their data plans and charge extra for tethering. That is bullcrap.
Just root your phone and install tether and stop complaining... it takes 5 seconds.
i dont use the tether and dont have any plans to, i agree that using the rooted one is all too easy (its what 99% of teh rest of the android population have to do).
BUT
i do believe its rather annoying that the nexus 1 came and went with free tethering, the nexus s is on so many different carriers domestic and international.. yet sprint is the first one to throw up a fit about tethering. not saying that its wrong for them to, just feeling like a red headed stepchild of the nexus s family.
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I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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The free tether was not advertised as being free it was never writter or expressed. You just got a free bonus. IMO. Also the free tether was supposed to be remove on the update that occurred right after the phone was launched and it wasn't. I suggest rooting your phone its easy with an untold amount of benefits.
Does the removal of free tethering constitute as change in contract ? I would love to get out of my contract without penalty.
wow I love how people get up on a soapbox and complain without research first.
Free tethering was never offically free from sprint. So you want to cancel your contract/send emails/get red in the face over something that most people already knew.
get over it there are ways around these things which for the most part why we are all here to enhance our phones.
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Does the removal of free tethering constitute as change in contract ? I would love to get out of my contract without penalty.
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Read your contract and let me know if you see free tethering in there
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hellcatt said:
the tethering app itself is there and still works, it does what the app is supposed to do. sprint how ever just disabled the connection on their end to accounts that dont have the add on........which is totally their right to do. while the app comes with the phone is free no one ever said the service was included
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I thought the 2.3.5 update is what disable it? If so, that is hardly "on their end." It's on our end, inside our own hardware which we purchased.
Unless I am mistaken and they rolled out a network change at the exact same moment as a software change. But if they were magically blocking tethering from their end... then wouldn't it block our rooted tethering too?
I agree it's not the end of the world and rooted tether is easy. But I think it might be inaccurate to say an update to our phones is happening on their end.
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Read your contract and let me know if you see free tethering in there
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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The DATA service to use the phone as a wireless hotspot/tether is an extra $29.99, whether we agree with that or not. If you don't think a contract is right then you don't sign it/use the service.
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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Your fight is with congress. Verizon/at&t/comcast/etc they lobbied pretty hard so that net neutrality not be on wireless lines. So the government has allowed from now and out what can be defined as a data over wireless. So what if sprint wants to charge you extra on your contract for a smartphone when you want to use their network for serving up data for laptops/some use for Xbox live and stuff if it is needed so badly on the users end to have mobile data well.
So think about if sprint were to allow free tethering on all phones, well businesses would flock to them for company plans to cut costs, and the flocks of data whores out there that love to rack up data on their phones. Our network would blow, congestion please.
Sprint and wireless telcos don't govern all the airwaves in your own house just the frequencies they use to provide you with a service which at signing is for that piece of hardware you bought from them, then activated that hardware on their network.
This by no means is me getting angry with you but hopefully more people will read this and look this up and let the information flow out. Our government is to blame allowing this to happen. By allowing them to define mobile data is why we have to pay the most expensive data rates for texting and such.
Now imagine this verizon which is new kinda to home tv and high speed fiber to the home. Perhaps they use some of the lte network to start providing tv and home internet. Now they would have complete control over how you watch and your internet. Maybe they have to throttle your HD channels cause you've been watching to much HBO movies. Why not they will all tell you Netflix kills their backend but watching vod has no strain on the network.....I've been ranting for too long sorry
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BrianDigital said:
So think about if sprint were to allow free tethering on all phones, well businesses would flock to them for company plans to cut costs, and the flocks of data whores out there that love to rack up data on their phones. Our network would blow, congestion please.
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Agreed 100%, but the issue is traffic, not tethering. If they want to limit traffic or introduce a tiered plan, that is fine (it might piss me off, but it is a rational right they have). It is rational to expect to pay per amount of data streamed to my device. But it is not rational to tell me what to do with data received on my end.
Replace DATA with WATER. If I pay the city for x amount of water per month, once it arrives on my doorstep, can they charge me more if I add plumbing in my house that transports it to the backyard, or my basement? Or install an extra faucet in a guest bedroom?
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The DATA service to use the phone as a wireless hotspot/tether is an extra $29.99, whether we agree with that or not. If you don't think a contract is right then you don't sign it/use the service.
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Please see my example above about water.
If every single water company in town told you it was $50 per month to get 200 gallons of water piped to your house, but there would be a $30 surcharge (for the same amount) if you had more than 2 faucets in your house, would you:
(a) Tell them about all 4 of your faucets and pay $80
(b) Tell them you have 2 faucets and pay $50
If (a), then I question your thought processes. Common wisdom (in my mind at least) is that it is a citizen's duty to disobey unjust rules. Yes, I am being overdramatic here, and no a contract from Sprint is not a law. But it leans on the law (as the post above mentions), and ALL providers lean on that same unjust law...