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I really don't like the BT headsets yet, still prefer holding a mobile to my ear but the Jasjar is a little big to use with comfort as a phone.
Has anyone thought about using one of these tiny mobiles with BT as a handset paired to the Jasjar? Can this be done.
I would like to holster or belt my jasjar and just drop a normal moby into my pocket???
Also anyone made a bluetooth handset instead of headset, like a mobile but just works as a BT handset?
Regards
I doubt it could be done with handsets at present as the bluetooth specification requires services to be available and for headsets, this is the handsfree/headset profile.
Current handsets look for this to be available on devices to allow audio to go to them, however the current handsets will probably only offer network access, dialup networking, file transfer and possibly a serial port to the jasjar
Interesting concept though, having a handset as a bluetooth headset and something I'd probably be quite interested in seeing developed myself!
er..this sound very odd to me - but then again I only use my Exec as a PDA at the moment.
Anyway, have a look at this as an option (I have ordered one but I know the Universal does not support all the functions yet): http://www.tekkeon.com/site/products-ez3000-specs.php
With the SE P910 you can load the Contacts database onto the headset!
I've just bought an O2 XDA Exec and has exactly the same thought, but could not get it to work.
It depends on the bluetooth "profiles" supported by the mini-handset. I tried it with my previous Sony Ericsson phone (can't remember the model number, but it's about 2 yrs old) and I could only use the handset as a modem (i.e. not much use). You might have better luck with newer handsets, but I would not rely on any mobile phone shop being able to tell you which incoming profiles the handset supports.
Note that there are likely to be problems with caller-display on the handset as the exec only appears to send the incoming number (not the contact name) to the BT device.
If you're set on this approach, I would suggest trying it on any handset you propose using. I can't see that it's worth spending money on this solution though - you may be better off with a phone and a separate PDA.
In order to get a small handset for day to day phone use, I ended up (yesterday) buying a Sony Ericsson HBH660 headset for £50. It has a small caller number display and the voice recognition system (on the exec) seems to work well for making regular calls. I keep it in my pocket and put the exec in my coat/jacket.
Good luck
jah said:
er..this sound very odd to me - but then again I only use my Exec as a PDA at the moment.
Anyway, have a look at this as an option (I have ordered one but I know the Universal does not support all the functions yet): http://www.tekkeon.com/site/products-ez3000-specs.php
With the SE P910 you can load the Contacts database onto the headset!
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That looks right funky! Where did you buy it from?
@hollinshead
I contacted the ebay seller for this: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Tekkeon-Dig...ryZ15040QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I paid via PayPal. Should get delivery today or Monday next week.
Or you can buy it from Tekkeon's own online store at their web site (but becareful with import duty etc).
Thanks, I think I'll wait for some UK sellers to get some, and stick to my BT800 for now.
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I badgered some headset manufacturers last year to make the following:
Bluetooth device with handsfree profile (client), included within a *tiny* mobile phone case together with a screen and a keypad, as well as the usual bluetooth headset electronics.
Make it tiny, and trendy - perhaps from brushed aluminium and I reckon such a device would do well. It would have more room inside than a mobile phone case so the battery could be large, and offer perhaps a month of use between charges. It should also charge directly via Mini USB socket and not require any docking stations etc which need lugging about.
Would anyone else here buy such a device, if it were priced at premium headset prices? £50-60 perhaps?
I want it cause holding a universal to your ear causes arm ache! and using a traditional bluetooth headset in a shopping centre make you look like a nob!
Does the headset 1.2 handsfree profile even support a bluetooth headset device with a keyboard?
Nigel
veletron said:
Hi
I badgered some headset manufacturers last year to make the following:
Bluetooth device with handsfree profile (client), included within a *tiny* mobile phone case together with a screen and a keypad, as well as the usual bluetooth headset electronics.
Make it tiny, and trendy - perhaps from brushed aluminium and I reckon such a device would do well. It would have more room inside than a mobile phone case so the battery could be large, and offer perhaps a month of use between charges. It should also charge directly via Mini USB socket and not require any docking stations etc which need lugging about.
Would anyone else here buy such a device, if it were priced at premium headset prices? £50-60 perhaps?
I want it cause holding a universal to your ear causes arm ache! and using a traditional bluetooth headset in a shopping centre make you look like a nob!
Does the headset 1.2 handsfree profile even support a bluetooth headset device with a keyboard?
Nigel
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I will buy one no doubt!!
Let me know if you find it somewhere.
The max price should be 50£ = 80€
I am supprised there isn't such a device already, a blue tooth handset for skype VoIP is whats required and is probably in the pipeline already, but yes I would buy one.
I am supprised there isn't such a device already, a blue tooth handset for skype VoIP is whats required and is probably in the pipeline already, but yes I would buy one.
Well, I had a reply from Jabra saying that they passed email onto their product development lot.
Prob going to require more than one email tho, so badger away.
No reply from the others as yet.
Nigel
ANYCOM Blue Stereo Headset BSH-100 as a possible solution???
ANYCOM Blue Stereo Headset BSH-100
These Bluetooth-enabled stereo headphones are small, lightweight, and fold up for portability. They include a microphone and can be used as a headset for Bluetooth-enabled Windows Mobile Smartphones and Pocket PC Phone Edition devices. In addition, the headset supports the new High-Quality Stereo BT (A2DP) profile, which is built into the new Windows Mobile 5.0 software. The small, rechargeable battery in the headset powers it for up to 7 hours of continuous use and gives it a standby time of up to 200 hours. The headset weighs a mere 2.7 ounces (76 grams) including battery.
More information is available on the Anycom Web site (http://www.anycom.com). You can pre-order the device for $93.95 from the Expansys Web site (http://www.expansys.com).
Stereo wireless Bluetooth headphones that fold and fit into your pocket!
Hi all
I need to develop an IT project for my HNC in Computing.
I'm a mature student with 5 years programming experience in VB. I've also got non-commercial experience with C#.
I was considering developing an application that would run on my QTEK 2020i.
I'm also a member of and MR2 owners club www.imoc.co.uk
I was thinking of combining these two interests and developing a diagnostic application.
Basically, as with most cars, the MR2 has a diagnostic port into which you can plug a diagnostic tool. Most of these tools simply run into a box with a single LED...the idea being that if there's a problem with your engine, the LED will blink and you are left to count those blinks and then look up that number of blinks to determine the error.
I was hoping to fabricate a connector from this diagnostic plug that I could connect to my QTEK 2020i. I would then read the pulses from the diagnostic port and interpret them programatically; presnenting the user of my application with an on-screen display of the erros and an option to print a report!
This could be expanded to encompass multiple vehicles...perhaps by providing the user with the ability to enter their own diganostic parameters etc.
Anyhow, I have no knowledge of developing on the .NET CE and even less when it comes to the potential uses of the various imputs on the QTEK.
Can anyone tell me if ANY of this sounds plausible?
Cheers
Wayne
This sounds a fun little project. Have you thought about using a modified Bluetooth GPS reciever to transmit the signal via bluetooth to your PDA which you could then check up apon when your running the engine on the move.
All you'd need to do is listen to the bluetooth com port and display the relavent data regarding your engine.
Just an idea to make it a wireless mod for a more impressive feature.
(Now I'm wondering if a QTEK 2020i could program an ECU for full engine customisation on the move.)
I saw a bluetooth car diagnostic system using a Microsoft smartphone at the Modaco meetup last year. Didn't get me excited, but did a full job at getting full diagnostics...
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symondavis said:
This sounds a fun little project. Have you thought about using a modified Bluetooth GPS reciever to transmit the signal via bluetooth to your PDA which you could then check up apon when your running the engine on the move.
All you'd need to do is listen to the bluetooth com port and display the relavent data regarding your engine.
Just an idea to make it a wireless mod for a more impressive feature.
(Now I'm wondering if a QTEK 2020i could program an ECU for full engine customisation on the move.)
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tbh I'd have no idea where to start with modding a Bluetooth receiver (don't yo umean transmitter though?).
Once I've got the application running it would be easy to expand later as I would hopefully develop it in a way that the different aspects of the application work very much "black box". I'd just have to write something to do the bluetooth side of things as an additional "black box" later on.
So, it sounds as though this is very possible then!
any idea if anyone on here knows enough about the numerous QTEK ports or how to access those via the .NET CE! :S
Cheers
Wayne
There is already a C# based OBDII diagnostic program out and contains all Source Code as well
OBDGauge 1.3 for PocketPC
http://www.qcontinuum.org/obdgauge/
I was coding my own version before until i found it, and decided not to reinvent the wheel
I used a XDAII Serial cable and connect it to the OBDII Port to my XDAII. Works perfectly, however, my Universal doesn't have a Serial Port, unless u get a Bluetooth version
hi guys, i couldnt help noticing that when i previously used nokia 6600 (symbian s60) they had few 3rd party that is able to make use of their audio mechanism during callls. for example, one software can make selected background noise for opposite callers so they think that u are at a train station for example when infact u r silently at home. another software is an on board answering machine, which after the phone rang for a few times it answer the fonecall with your automated recorded voice and recorded a msg left by the caller on the fone. this is convenient for us so we dont need to call back our voicemail and reduce cost as well as some telco charge to use their voicemail service. im surprised these kind of software have not came out for our windows mobile device when its already available for symbian. im sure it shouldnt be that hard to make it. any coder expert wanna give it a go??
cutefox, what kind of searches have you made for this software on this board? Did you have much luck?
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i already tried commercial such as handango and pocket gear.. even freeware sites also no luck.. jus dun understand why no 1 made one yet.. shouldnt b too hard to make one.. it will be a big market to sell such a software for our ppc phone device now that more devices is coming out..
Cutefox: have you tried searching this board? Let me save you the effort, but it'll be a good idea next time. It's not generally considered possible, at least on WM2003 devices because of both hardware and software limitations. It's not that no one has thought of it before: someone seems to think of it approximately every two days... but there are many many threads on this issue.
V
Look at what I said here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9761
That sums up why we can't do it using the api's available to us now. The funny thing is the way bluetooth sends the audio stream to a headset. Obviously the data is getting there somehow but I suspect it is not (directly) via windows. Dose anyone know if the radio hardware for bluetooth is connected to the radio hardware for the phone? My guess is that if you could write a program that windows "sees" as a headset then you could get the audio that way. But thats a problem in itself.
I would love this kind of program myself. How is it that such usefull devices with so many capeabilities can be kept secret from us. We can't use the camera, we can't get the cell id on towers, we can't programatically controll the partnerships in blutooth, we cant get the audio stream of our own phone, the events on some ppc's that control brightness are secret..... the list goes on. This kind of #@!!$$ is going to hurt the future of these devices which I otherwise love.
OdeeanRDeathshead: I had read your previous posts, and as ever, very interesting and informative reading. I had the same idea regarding a "dummy" bluetooth device a while back, but mamaich put me in my place!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=179839#179839
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thanks vijay555, thats what I have suspected about the hardware. What I want to do is a bit different. The bluetooth can communicate to many devices at once. If your program could appear to be a headset to the os, then the phone bluetooth hardware could transmit the audio to the headset at the same time your program uses bluetooth to receive it. Kind of like a loop out of the box to bridge the lack of functionality. This shifts the problem to how dose a hardware bluetooth headset communicate. Emulate this and we are on a winner. I don't think I have the willingness to pull my devices appart. I also do not have the money for some of the hardware (eg good digital oscilliscope) that I would need to measure whats going on. I did read that microsoft are about to expose some new api to allow control over the pairing process (but not the audio stream). I hope that we get some soon.
Is there going to be any new (for 2005) free development tools like the evc versions used today?
OdeeanRDeathshead: re eVC, I don't think so. The "express editions" are free, but they specifically omit the functionality to develop "mobile solutions".
Re the loop back. That's a good idea. I think mamaich is our best bet on schematics, I think that would be very helpful. As you "rave", it's mindboggling that Microsoft still haven't revealed or implemented a way to interact with the audio channels. It must have been one of the first things one could imagine doing once you develop a PDA with a phone stuck on the back of it.
Any idea if the bluetooth stacks could support transmitting and receiving simultaneously in this manner? I know some of the boys are working on alternative bluetooth support for the stereo headset profiles, so they might be able to shed some light on the issues involved. I guess the processor overhead could be hefty, but for the benefit it would be beneficial.
V
I recently became the owner of the above phone. I have read many many posts on this forum and have gleaned many snippets of informaiton, but guys and girls, you don't half have a lot of terminology that baffles an outsider to the other side of disbelief.
I am a programmer by trade, big computers and databases, you guys have managed to confuse the hell out of me.
Anyway, a bit of advise please
My Orange MV700 works in Hands Free Mode (Phone pairs with Audi as BT handsfree) with my Audi Bluetooth (2007 A6 with MMI), in that I can access most features of the phone . last calls, missed calls, directory (Windows Contacts listed as Contactt1/W Contact2/M etc. This is good as I can store multiple numbers per contact. The only downside I believe is that I cannot benefit form using the cars inbuilt aerial which requires Remote Sim Access which I believe Orange turn off.
My Previous phone a samsung had rsap (pair to phone from car kit) but only listed one number per contact (either from phone memory [which will allow more than one number per contact] or the sim), it used the phones aerial but since the phone was so crap in the first place I was lucky to get a 30 second call without fallout.
I would consider enabling rsap on my phone if I can still have access to the windows contacts in the same way I do now, or is Sim Access limited to reading only info on the sim?
I would also consider upgrading to Windows Mobile 6 if it works on my phone and I can have the desired usage that I mentioned previously.
If anyone can make use of the firmware of my phone please let me know with instructions of how to extract and it.
Many thanks for your attention to this matter.
Cheers
Can anyone tell me if there is a technical reason Bluetooth SAP/rSAP cannot be delivered on the Windows Phone 7 platform, or are the just being lazy about delivering it??
So... no reply cause nobody knows or no reply cause I'm being a n00b and this is answered elsewhere? Or something worse?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rsap+windows+phone+7
Just follow the first link "Frage zu SAP..." (german)
So far only these BT profiles are implemented:
PBAP — Phone Book Access Profile
A2DP — Advanced Audio Distribution Profile
HSP — Headset Profile
HFP — Hands-Free Profile
AVRCP — A/V Remote Control Profile
Anything else would be speculation, because Mango BT updates known so far:
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-mango-bluetooth-stack-updated-but-not-much/
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rsap+windows+phone+7
Just follow the first link "Frage zu SAP..." (german)
So far only these BT profiles are implemented:
PBAP — Phone Book Access Profile
A2DP — Advanced Audio Distribution Profile
HSP — Headset Profile
HFP — Hands-Free Profile
AVRCP — A/V Remote Control Profile
Anything else would be speculation, because Mango BT updates known so far:
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-mango-bluetooth-stack-updated-but-not-much/
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Thanks - just saw that qualified listing and was a little disappointed. I checked the one for Apple iOS (listed as software version 4.1 and 4.2) and it also doesn't mention SAP or rSAP, but I know it does support those profiles, so I'm wondering whether I am just reading it wrong.
The differences are that iOS has:
RFCOMM
Bluetooth Network Encapsulation Protocol
Personal Area Networking Profile
HID
Interop Test Spec
Which one of these is linked to SAP/rSAP?
How do you "know" that iPhone supports rSAP? It does not, not even 4.3:
http://iamtim.de/2011/05/das-iphone-und-das-sim-access-profil-sap-oder-rsap/
None of these profiles you listed is rSAP (or SAP, SIM), as written here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#SIM_Access_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.2C_rSAP.29
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How do you "know" that iPhone supports rSAP? It does not, not even 4.3:
http://iamtim.de/2011/05/das-iphone-und-das-sim-access-profil-sap-oder-rsap/
None of these profiles you listed is rSAP (or SAP, SIM), as written here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#SIM_Access_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.2C_rSAP.29
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Well I suppose to be clear I don't "know", I just "think". The reason I "think" is because it communicates with my car, that says it "requires" SIM Access Profile, whereas my phone REFUSES to communicate with my car.
Additional detail: the car actually supports 2 bluetooth "modes": Headphone mode and SIM Access mode. If I have the car initiate the bluetooth connection it will use the remote SIM mode, and if the phone initiates the connection it will use the "headphones" mode.
A Nokia N97 works in both directions. As does the iPhone 3 and 4. My Samsung Omnia 7 won't do either.
Maybe Mango will be a solution, because it updates the Headset and Hands-free profiles.
"New is Hand-Free Profile 1.5, which should mean better support for Bluetooth car kits. "
Also there comes PBA (Phonebook Access profile), which is basically the same as SAP, but it uses the radio of the phone, instead the radio inbuilt to the car kit.
PBA and your interpretation of it being very similar to SAP sounds quite interesting yet it will most likely not be recognized by SAP-only car-kits like the older VW premium handsfree-boxes. I for instance refrain from switching to any other OS than windows Mobile simply because i need my phone working with the car kit and i am not going to buy a new car because my phone doesnt support the current.
Well, anyhow. I was going to say, that if the PBA doesn't support some kinda fake-SAp mode (pretend to be sap or so) it will most likely not help anyone with sap-only car kits. not matter how much it is similar to sap.
sorry to say this.
Sneakyghost said:
I for instance refrain from switching to any other OS than windows Mobile simply because i need my phone working with the car kit and i am not going to buy a new car because my phone doesnt support the current.
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While i have both versions of Windows OS and yes the 6.x suported rSAP, the new WP7 does not. If you want a new phone that supports rSAP then Android fills the bill. Microsoft really dropped the ball by not supporting rSAP. Like you, have a VW-based phone system and without rSAP support the current handsfree phone protocols in WP7 is basically worthless.
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Just updated my phone to Mango, and annoyingly neither the headphone mode or reomte SIM modes work. This is a deal-breaker for me.
While I was quite enjoying the phone I am now going to switch to a Galaxy SII which works reliably in both directions, and connects properly to my WiFi as well. A real shame, but I can't imagine another WP update will be coming too soon and I don't have any patience left.
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Maybe Mango will be a solution, because it updates the Headset and Hands-free profiles.
"New is Hand-Free Profile 1.5, which should mean better support for Bluetooth car kits. "
Also there comes PBA (Phonebook Access profile), which is basically the same as SAP, but it uses the radio of the phone, instead the radio inbuilt to the car kit.
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Since update my Omnia 7 to Mango, I get a lot of "BT connection error" on my display car.
all working here.
car radio is a Kenwood.
Finally now the phone transmits the name of the song playing to the headunit! like windows mobile.
Voice comands thru the Headunit work amazing too.The other day i received an sms while driving, voice comand told me that there was a new sms from Ken,then it ask me if i wanted it read out loud! I said yes and it did, at the end it ask me if i want it to reply to.
Also this is the only phone that actually auto connects to the car stereo,all my android devices need to be reconnected manually.
Funny thing all of this was set up by just pairing the device with the headunit.
Well my "head unit" is integrated into the dash - it's a Porsche touch screen system called PCM (which I think, lamely, stands for Porsche Control Module). I have anecdotal evidence that other WP7 models will connect which makes me think it may actually be the Samsung Omnia 7 itself and not WP7 per se.
What sux is that my Samsung Galaxy S2 works perfectly and my wife's iPhone4 works perfectly. So it isn't the car.
...I really haven't got the patience to wait for the Win8 update and keep using headphones for the next year!
some news here?