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I didn't want to post this in the ROM Development forum because it doesn't apply to a specific ROM, but this is a question about them.
I am looking for a Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM that has Bluetooth and the OLD version of Pocket Internet Explorer. I really only use IE to stream MLB games, and the new IE is INCREDIBLY slow for that task. I use Opera Mini for everything else, but MLB requires IE. And I listen to the games through Bluetooth stereo headphones, so I need that too.
FingerMe Titanium's Lite version almost has it. There's a version with the old PIE but no Bluetooth, and a version with Bluetooth but the new PIE. I've looked around at all the ROMs in the Development forum but I haven't found a stripped-down one that has the specific combination I'm looking for: WM6.5, Bluetooth and old PIE.
I know a lot of people that read this are going to say, "Use a kitchen and build one yourself". Believe me, I've tried. I played with SuperJustKitchen and got close, but I think I just lack the required cooking skills necessary to produce exactly what I want in a ROM. About eighty failed recipes have convinced me of this.
Anyway, if someone out there can point me in the right direction that would be great. Thanks a lot.
I have to admit my first instinct was to jump your case for posting this. Technically it is a ROM development question, general though it is, and should be in that forum. No worries though, you did have some forethought on the matter instead of blindly posting wherever, so you get +1 for that.
However, you didn't look too hard lol, because illconcepts StripTease: Lots to Love edition is what you are looking for, and it has been around for a while now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=546195
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I have to admit my first instinct was to jump your case for posting this. Technically it is a ROM development question, general though it is, and should be in that forum. No worries though, you did have some forethought on the matter instead of blindly posting wherever, so you get +1 for that.
However, you didn't look too hard lol, because illconcepts StripTease: Lots to Love edition is what you are looking for, and it has been around for a while now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=546195
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Wow, yeah, that is perfect. Thank you for the lead. I guess I stopped reading at the first version of that one when I didn't see what I was looking for. Oops. Looks like Black and Blue might work too.
I posted in the main forum because it looks like most of the posts in the development forum are for specific ROMs, and I didn't want to start a new thread that didn't involve one of those specifically. Turns out I didn't even need to post a question at all, just not be so lazy.
Thanks again.
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Wow, yeah, that is perfect. Thank you for the lead. I guess I stopped reading at the first version of that one when I didn't see what I was looking for. Oops. Looks like Black and Blue might work too.
I posted in the main forum because it looks like most of the posts in the development forum are for specific ROMs, and I didn't want to start a new thread that didn't involve one of those specifically. Turns out I didn't even need to post a question at all, just not be so lazy.
Thanks again.
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Lol it's all good. illconcepts updates that thread periodically, so it may not have been there the first time you looked, although he hasn't edited the thread in a couple weeks. Glad I could help.
Well, it's more than just questions.
I have the HD2 and I really enjoy it. Think it's a great piece of hardware. WM6.5 gets the job done for the most part, but I can understand some of the concerns with the OS. It's good to hear that you guys are already working on WM7 and the port to this phone!
Truth is, I put my coin in google's corner, so I'm hoping that Android finds its way into the HD2 via T Mobile.
I'm a bit tech savy, been involved with computer animation and can build computers as well. I thought I ask about the learning curve when it comes to development on PDA's such as mine. With the drop of Android, I flirted with the idea of learning code.
Is Android Linux based?
You guys hear anything about Android getting a port to this phone? I've done the google search and can only find the sprint version of HD2 with Android installed. That does nothing for TMobile customers.
I read up a bit on XDA and they appear legit. My concern is code being used for identity theft. Anyone have bad experiences with XDA and the software that is released here for share? Does the software under go some sort of QA before it's provided for download?
I have no problem with donations, trust is what earns my donations...fair enough, right?
Ultimately, I really like this phone and look forward to further enhancing it...I hear XDA is the place to be!
Thanks guys/gals.
FAQ's and sticky threads are your friend as is google.
Try reading abit, get a feel for the site.. Then ask..
Yes Winmo7 is being ported to the touch HD, though at the moment it's sluggish due to lack of graphical acceleration (and not really something i"m excited by since it doesn't have copy and paste and no multitasking. IMHO it's really more like an iphone/toy meant for none-techy people).
I don't expect an official update/ROM for the HD2 with android to ever be released by htc/tmobile. However, I would be surprised if one wasn't ported by xda from other devices (like nexus/evo 4g).
Yes, android is unix based. (develepment done in java (for upper stuff) and C (for lower stuff)).
Anything you download and install from xda you do so at your own risk. However, I would argue that the risk is minimal (almost none existent) as long as you follow directions and read posts. The only thing that can brick your phone is a failed radio/SPL update/change. Anything else can be cured by a hard reset.
(and what kable said)
As unfriendly as my reply may seem, for a "tech savvy" guy you asked several questions which would have been abundantly answered if you properly used the search tools of the forum, or if you simply browsed through the most active threads
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As unfriendly as my reply may seem, for a "tech savvy" guy you asked several questions which would have been abundantly answered if you properly used the search tools of the forum, or if you simply browsed through the most active threads
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Thick skin...you grouches don't faze me
I've been through the site a bit, what can I say, life outside of the computer caught up and I got a little impatient!
I'm still reading through the forum. Have yet to find an answer to this question.
If I install Android on my HD2 (US), something goes wrong...will I be able to do a hard reset, or reinstall WM6.5?
I really think Android would benefit more out of this hardware. It seems as if everything Unix based always requires less resources and gets the job done!
I also would like to know how I can uninstall these game demos that are eating up space? Will this be a registry edit?
I feel as if Android would FLY on this device. WM6.5 is getting the job done, but it's to late for Microsoft with me. I've used Linux for some time and I just think it's better. Huge supporter of Linux!
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Thick skin...you grouches don't faze me
I've been through the site a bit, what can I say, life outside of the computer caught up and I got a little impatient!
I'm still reading through the forum. Have yet to find an answer to this question.
If I install Android on my HD2 (US), something goes wrong...will I be able to do a hard reset, or reinstall WM6.5?
I really think Android would benefit more out of this hardware. It seems as if everything Unix based always requires less resources and gets the job done!
I also would like to know how I can uninstall these game demos that are eating up space? Will this be a registry edit?
I feel as if Android would FLY on this device. WM6.5 is getting the job done, but it's to late for Microsoft with me. I've used Linux for some time and I just think it's better. Huge supporter of Linux!
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oh, no grouches intended (and the "I have a life" excuse is old )
There's no way to install Android on the HD2, currently, that's why you couldn't find on these forums how to uninstall it from the hd2
Game demos were not included in my stock rom, if you're using a customized rom from a carrier, then either you find and delete the relevant files, if that's even possible, or you flash a clean custom rom from the rom dev forums which includes onyl the necessary software... but then again, I know all this info because I found it on the forums
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oh, no grouches intended (and the "I have a life" excuse is old )
There's no way to install Android on the HD2, currently, that's why you couldn't find on these forums how to uninstall it from the hd2
Game demos were not included in my stock rom, if you're using a customized rom from a carrier, then either you find and delete the relevant files, if that's even possible, or you flash a clean custom rom from the rom dev forums which includes onyl the necessary software... but then again, I know all this info because I found it on the forums
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Look at you, browsing through forums and stuff. When I grow up, I wanna be just like you.
Thanks for the info. I do have a custom ROM from TMOUS. Has games like guitar hero, prince of persia...more bloated ware. I estimate about 30 mbps of used space.
Devils1stBorn said:
Look at you, browsing through forums and stuff. When I grow up, I wanna be just like you.
Thanks for the info. I do have a custom ROM from TMOUS. Has games like guitar hero, prince of persia...more bloated ware. I estimate about 30 mbps of used space.
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If they allow you to uninstall the games this is how you would go about it:
Go to the settings tab in Sense -> menu(lower right corner) -> all settings -> system -> remove programs.
Now the other option would be to flash your current rom to something faster and less bloated. T-Mobile US Rom Development Forum
I definitely recommend you read the Stickies before going about flashing your phone. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask! Would suck if you brick your new HD2 just because you didn't! This is what these forums are for despite what some members might claim.
As for your other questions yes Android is Unix based and is probably going to be available for the HD2 sometime in the future(don't ask when). There's already a dual boot app so when Android becomes available switching between the two operating systems should be a breeze.
Welcome to the forums and enjoy your new phone!
Hi,
A bit irrrelevant to reply here, but I did not any other place. Have been following this forum for quite sometime. Been around with windows mobile app development for sometime. But what really interest me is when people from this forum tweaks Rom image or port to other harware. Here things look quite easy. Is it really easy? I saw one single person tweaking a ROM image and porting to different hardware?
Hope I have not offended anyone.
- Herojit
Toss3 said:
If they allow you to uninstall the games this is how you would go about it:
Go to the settings tab in Sense -> menu(lower right corner) -> all settings -> system -> remove programs.
Now the other option would be to flash your current rom to something faster and less bloated.
I definitely recommend you read the Stickies before going about flashing your phone. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask! Would suck if you brick your new HD2 just because you didn't! This is what these forums are for despite what some members might claim.
As for your other questions yes Android is Unix based and is probably going to be available for the HD2 sometime in the future(don't ask when). There's already a dual boot app so when Android becomes available switching between the two operating systems should be a breeze.
Welcome to the forums and enjoy your new phone!
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Thanks. And no, it only allows me to uninstall apps I've installed after the initial setup. I've been through system files and the sorts and I can only find icons and other "blah" that's not the actual install directory. I show all the hidden files and still, can't find it.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to Android. Don't need the dual boot. Just a solid port with solid drivers.
Sorry everyone for the irrelevant post again.
I was hoping that someone will reply saying - "porting ROM is not a big deal, this is how you do it"
- Herojit
herojits said:
Sorry everyone for the irrelevant post again.
I was hoping that someone will reply saying - "porting ROM is not a big deal, this is how you do it"
- Herojit
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Say what?
What's with your post?
OP. I'll port Android on HD2 for you for $50. You gotta send me your phone tho.
I am a tek savy guy too. I fix microwaves!
FloatHeavy said:
OP. I'll port Android on HD2 for you for $50. You gotta send me your phone tho.
I am a tek savy guy too. I fix microwaves!
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Epic fail.
one thing that has been alittle pain is how the albums are viewed. i created an album for videos, yet when i view I can't have a name of the file visable, just a thumbnail. that doesn't work well at all. works fine with pictures cuz what you see is what you. videos start with a black screen; becomes a guessing game. am i missing something?
I have experimented with quite a few different ROM's, and have enjoyed trying them all out.
Just wanted to post a thought out there, and see if this would be worth pursuing or if something like this exists...
A table that compares the ROMs, version, refresh date, developers, features, additional software, bugs, etc, so folks can compare the different ROMs on one page.
Link the name of the ROM to its actual thread.
Just a thought I wanted to throw out there......
Thanks,
-Sf-
The closest thing that we have is this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649705
But, it doesn't lay it out all that clearly without having to go to each thread and read through. Also, it is about 5 weeks since it was last updated, and we all know how much has been done in the last few weeks (especially Froyo...).
I think this is a pretty good idea. If you want to do something like this, I'd be willing to lend a hand. I am on vacation this week so have a lot of free time anyway.
I think that we could build on that format -
Add major features, bugs, developer name, etc.
Thanks,
-Sf-
It's easier to just link to all of them... you can take the time to go through the Dev's home page. After all, that leaves it up to the topic creator to update every single ROM's bugs and updates, which you can't expect them to do.
Sure, it would be easier to do that...for the posters. But, I feel that the people wanting to check out the roms would appreciate a nice overview of features and bugs then having to wade through some of the toics which can be dozens of pages, if not more. I'll probably start working on this tomorrow, since I've been spending the day figuring out why my parents computer sucks so bad. Found it - 256MB of RAM. ugh lol
this IS a great idea...would be very hard to keep it up to date and what happens if the one guy that posted the topic falls off the face of the earth? as a lot of people seem to do.
not trying to stop it before it begins. i'm willing to comb a topic or two and submit my findings...gonna need a bunch of volunteers to do the same to get multiple ROMs listed.
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this IS a great idea...would be very hard to keep it up to date and what happens if the one guy that posted the topic falls off the face of the earth? as a lot of people seem to do.
not trying to stop it before it begins. i'm willing to comb a topic or two and submit my findings...gonna need a bunch of volunteers to do the same to get multiple ROMs listed.
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Agreed - I have seen lists on other websites, and they still show evil eris 1.1 as the most up to date. However, that being said, we are the most active android forum out there, especially for the Eris. I think this has the best shot in being the most accurate on the web.
We already have a comparison guide.
Its called xda-developers.com!
Lazy...lazy...lazy....
Just read! Its the best way to fully understand the ROM anyways. Way better than a spreadsheet with checkmarks and whatnot.
But if someone was willing to take the time, which would undoubtedly take A LOT of time, to list pros, cons, features, bugs, versions, updates, and all that jazz, it MAY be worth looking. But we've seen stuff like this before, it gets created, and then never looked at again.
Great idea! Yes people are lazy for not doing their own homework...but there are so many ROMs out there. I have read through almost every page of topics to the 4 or 5 ROMs I have interest in, and often find myself confusing features, bugs, etc of those ROMs simply because there are SO many pages to read through and so much to keep up with(especially when some of these topics are in excess of 200 pages). Among these 200+ pages are maybe 25 pages really worth any knowledge of having about the ROM...the other 175 are filled with redundant information, outdated problems that have been solved, and off topic or unrelated posts.
DO IT!
I was kinda thinking about creating a guide on my website since I can't really think of anything else to do with the domain/server I have lol...
or if someone else wants to, I can give them FTP access to a folder and I'll just host it.
Just an idea.
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Sure, it would be easier to do that...for the posters. But, I feel that the people wanting to check out the roms would appreciate a nice overview of features and bugs then having to wade through some of the toics which can be dozens of pages, if not more. I'll probably start working on this tomorrow, since I've been spending the day figuring out why my parents computer sucks so bad. Found it - 256MB of RAM. ugh lol
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Yeah... but what happens if you stop updating? And how will you determine whether bugs are just one persons or all of theirs? And almost every ROM page I've seen has the bugs listed on the first post. I'm just saying the current system isn't just "ok" it's the best way to do it. You don't have to read through the entire thread to know the bugs, you can read the first post.
Well, it looks like interest in this idea is underwhelming at best. I'd be all about putting some time into this, but not for 3 people...
Sounds good to me!
This sounds like a great idea to me. I'll admit it would probably take a great about of effort and time to create and maintain but I'd be more than willing to lend my efforts to put something like this together and help keep it up to date. For all of you who are happy with the current system, it will still be there so keep using it. I don't think this is meant to be a complete list of everything there is to know about a ROM, more of an overview (correct me if im wrong). Plus, this would be GREAT for people who've just rooted and are trying to figure out what to try first. We all know its important to read a thread in its entirety before you flash
Just my $0.02
f z o n g
TheFzong said:
This sounds like a great idea to me. I'll admit it would probably take a great about of effort and time to create and maintain but I'd be more than willing to lend my efforts to put something like this together and help keep it up to date. For all of you who are happy with the current system, it will still be there so keep using it. I don't think this is meant to be a complete list of everything there is to know about a ROM, more of an overview (correct me if im wrong). Plus, this would be GREAT for people who've just rooted and are trying to figure out what to try first. We all know its important to read a thread in its entirety before you flash
Just my $0.02
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I agree - this list should be an "easy" way to glance over the different ROMs, and do a high level comparison. So if someone prefer's hero ports for example, they can go to the developer's page to determine if that ROM is right for them.
Just like when you research out a new computer, I usually do a high level comparison at first before I start digging into the "nuts and bolts"
I don't think it's a bad idea necessarily, I don't mean to crap all over it but here is what would need to happen:
The poster of the thread would need to understand bugs and things that have to do with the ROM's. They would need to be able to differentiate between one person's bug and a bug that multiple people are having and one that everyone is having.
The poster would need to stay updating this... what happens when they get a new phone? What happens if their computer breaks? Blah blah blah there are a thousand ways you can stop.
Really what you need is a Wiki, that way multiple people could update the information. Developers could submit their own ROM updates if they wanted and users could add reviews, comments etc.
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I don't think it's a bad idea necessarily, I don't mean to crap all over it but here is what would need to happen:
The poster of the thread would need to understand bugs and things that have to do with the ROM's. They would need to be able to differentiate between one person's bug and a bug that multiple people are having and one that everyone is having.
The poster would need to stay updating this... what happens when they get a new phone? What happens if their computer breaks? Blah blah blah there are a thousand ways you can stop.
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for example. . . . what happens when your girlfriend kicks you out and you leave in a rage and forget your computer and storage drives. . . . (was working under the radar on something of the sort but low and behold victim of circumstance.
http://code.google.com/p/erisromtracker/
I'm primarily a web designer but know Rails as well, and a bit of PHP. I'd be willing to put some work into this, but I don't have time to do the whole thing on my own.
I'm thinking of a community-powered web app. Any registered user can edit anything. Edits can be "dugg" by other members to represent validity...I dunno, just some first thoughts.
I made the project page so that people could add ideas/etc and there would be an organized, sane place for figuring out how the whole thing would work, as well as a central repository for any work that actually gets done. It also just doesn't make a lot of sense to use a thread to do this, especially when we're trying to get around people using threads to do this.
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Eoghann said:
Really what you need is a Wiki, that way multiple people could update the information. Developers could submit their own ROM updates if they wanted and users could add reviews, comments etc.
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And this
Much better ideas because it's not just one person's job.
Man, I guess I'm one of the lazy ones! Actually, I've been looking through all the ROMs in lust (because I can't root - yet) and I need an easy way to figure out what the main differences are. I'd be in large favor of this!
I really don't want this to come across wrong, but I just have to say it.
Developers, I appreciate all your hard work. I understand this is all beta/test/etc. I understand it is free of cost, even to those who did donate to one dev or another. You do it because you want to, not because you have to.
But please, for the love of all that's good - keep an updated list of Known Issues!
It sucks having to read 50 pages of posts to try to figure out if a particular release is reliable or not, to find out if there's a key feature broken or buggy. What makes it worse is you can't tell when reading these threads which users are on which release, because many still post issues after they've been resolved. Others post things that aren't really "issues" but user error.
You know what your issues are, you read the threads and you fix the issues. But trying to find a decent rom to flash is very, very difficult when your OP says "No known problems" and the thread that follows show that to be very untrue. It generates a lot of extra posts with people posting things you already know about, and it generates a lot of bad will when someone flashes something only to find that there are a number of game breaking issues.
All it takes is to update a post, say #2, in your thread, with KNOWN ISSUES. Once you confirm a bug, whether you intend to fix it on your next release or not, add it to that thread. It helps you, as a dev keep track of the bug, and it helps potential downloaders know what bugs have been confirmed and make an educated decision as to whether they want to install your release.
Hiding known issues is something I don't think anyone does intentionally, but it feels that way sometimes. It feels like devs are in a popularity contest, and any admission of flaws in their particular ROM is a weakness. Well, to tell the truth, I and many others are sick of installing something that was CLAIMED to be working perfectly, only to have glaring problems that have been there for many versions.
For a civil and productive development community. Please. Be honest with your known issues. It will go a long way in building trust with the people who you're providing ROMs to, and will mean fewer posts for YOU to wade through of users reporting known issues, without having read 500 posts first.
I have a hard time believing that most devs actively hide them. Most of the time it's probably just a bit of laziness. But, yes, it would be helpful when comparing roms if the descriptions had a well-maintained list of active bugs.
Since the developers here are NOT getting paid (NO your $20 donation is not sh*t for the time it takes to make one of these roms), yes WE will have to bear the brunt of testing these roms out and letting them know what bugs if any are in them
The other issue is the people flashing these roms, coming from Eugene's to Whiskey to the ASOP roms may generate some ghosts in the software that the developers cannot duplicate themselves. I know that when I went with the TW 2.2 roms I had plenty of issues, more issues than I have had even when I was stock. Odining back to stock and reflashing the 4.2 TW fixed ALL my problems. Dont know what caused it but since I have flashed a couple of roms prior to that (no problems), I will assume there were some ghosts in my system. This is an example that unless a TW team member is holding MY phone and working on it, they may not be able to duplicate
They don't care to list them. It's beneath some of them.
Maybe AirBus should list "midair exploding engines" as a known issue too...
kponti said:
Since the developers here are NOT getting paid (NO your $20 donation is not sh*t for the time it takes to make one of these roms), yes WE will have to bear the brunt of testing these roms out and letting them know what bugs if any are in them
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+1. Hell, at work I run a $100,000.00+ software suite and even that company won't do what the OP suggests!
If you have a problem with them stop using their roms go back to stock and see how much better theirs is even with a few bugs, not one of you has any right to complain. They do damn good work for free with some donations that do not come close to what they should be paid for it but they do not whine at all.
The problem I find is the "spammy" and useless comments average and pretentious users make which is both hard for the developer and the end user to read the threads. A dev releases a ROM and there is a guaranteed "Oh I can't wait to flash this" comment that will pop up. And there are some issues that are minor and are sometimes not related to the release that are posted and some pretentious loser who extends his ego by trying to make simple matters complicated. This forum didn't much of this problem before and I could quickly flash ROMs easily since I could clearly grasp the status on the ROM project.
I wish they would start a new thread with new releases. It's a pain to try to read through a 500 page thread, and you comments about this or that, and you have no idea which version the person is talking about. I gave up on custom roms and just using the leaked tmo 2.2, thanks for that Eugene
kponti said:
Since the developers here are NOT getting paid (NO your $20 donation is not sh*t for the time it takes to make one of these roms), yes WE will have to bear the brunt of testing these roms out and letting them know what bugs if any are in them
The other issue is the people flashing these roms, coming from Eugene's to Whiskey to the ASOP roms may generate some ghosts in the software that the developers cannot duplicate themselves. I know that when I went with the TW 2.2 roms I had plenty of issues, more issues than I have had even when I was stock. Odining back to stock and reflashing the 4.2 TW fixed ALL my problems. Dont know what caused it but since I have flashed a couple of roms prior to that (no problems), I will assume there were some ghosts in my system. This is an example that unless a TW team member is holding MY phone and working on it, they may not be able to duplicate
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A $20 donation is not worth the risk of bricking a $550 phone just because they got "lazy" and didn't notify donators/downloaders of [a] potentially show-stopping issue.
Posted a new Thread in Dev section for the purpose of reporting issues. So if you have an issue please shoot it to me and I will post it in that thread.
Update: Here is the link for the WIKI page.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S_SGH-T959#ROMs
swehes said:
Posted a new Thread in Dev section for the purpose of reporting issues. So if you have an issue please shoot it to me and I will post it in that thread.
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You are in a heap of trouble, a lot of people don't read, and you are gonna get 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 repeats of the same issue.
"OMG! MY SD CAR DONES"T MOUNT< HELP ME!11!!111"
chui101 said:
I have a hard time believing that most devs actively hide them. Most of the time it's probably just a bit of laziness. But, yes, it would be helpful when comparing roms if the descriptions had a well-maintained list of active bugs.
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The issue here is really that a forum is not the ideal place to manage software releases. A list of bugs emerges from community testing, but there's nowhere to "post" that list of issues, or attach it to a specific release. Since there's no way for the community to add such documentation, it falls on the ROM builder, who probably has other priorities.
This kind of project could be well served by using a real software project management software solution, such as say google code, which has an issue tracker and other useful features. But XDA does already give us a better tool than the forum - the XDA wiki!
I wish people would use the XDA wiki more extensively. This would be a good place to keep updated documentation such as this, without requiring the OP to keep a forum post updated with the latest findings. All the OP needs to do is link to the wiki page, and other people can help maintain it.
OK. Looking into Google Code.
(Update) So looking into the Google Code. What Licensing agreement are the ROMs under? Is it GPL v2 or v3 or another license?
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OK. Looking into Google Code.
(Update) So looking into the Google Code. What Licensing agreement are the ROMs under? Is it GPL v2 or v3 or another license?
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Depends on the project. The Linux kernel is GPLv2, so any kernels fall under that license. AOSP as a whole uses both GPL and apache code.
The issue with ROMs is that unless they're AOSP derived (like cyanogenmod) they often include binaries for which the license situation is murky at best, so google code isn't really an ideal fit for a "ROM" that's only ever released as a binary.
Really I was throwing google code out there as a well known example, there are tons of other ways to track issues. There are dedicated issue tracking systems such as trac, bugzilla, etc, but they require hosting. Most of the freely available hosted services require that you're running an open source project, which isn't necessarily true for the ROMs here.
IMO a serious project could very well benefit from such tools, but just using an XDA wiki page which community members can freely update is a great first step.
So looked into the Wiki for the Vibrant and have updated some information. Let me know what you guys think. Is this the way to go?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S_SGH-T959#ROMs
swehes said:
So looked into the Wiki for the Vibrant and have updated some information. Let me know what you guys think. Is this the way to go?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S_SGH-T959#ROMs
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Not to be the "Spelling Nazi", and I am not even sure if you can change it, but it is "Kernel" not "Kernal". Also, the Dev on Team Whiskey is Sombionix, not Symbionix.
Otherwise, that looks like a great idea, and possible way of tracking things!
EDIT - I guess I could go ahead and make those tweaks, with it being a wiki and all couldn't I....
EDIT EDIT - Fixed it.
Stargazer3777 said:
Not to be the "Spelling Nazi", and I am not even sure if you can change it, but it is "Kernel" not "Kernal". Also, the Dev on Team Whiskey is Sombionix, not Symbionix.
Otherwise, that looks like a great idea, and possible way of tracking things!
EDIT - I guess I could go ahead and make those tweaks, with it being a wiki and all couldn't I....
EDIT EDIT - Fixed it.
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Thanks. On both accounts.
Maybe this should be a post to Microsoft
To quote "there are known, unknowns and unknown, knowns and and even sometimes unknown,unknowns............but.........
Developers ----develop they do not become a bookkeeper of their development.........that is coordinating work...........good luck getting any developer in ANY Specialty to do that............. reporting bugs........
---Maybe this should be a post to Microsoft---
N8ter said:
A $20 donation is not worth the risk of bricking a $550 phone just because they got "lazy" and didn't notify donators/downloaders of [a] potentially show-stopping issue.
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I have yet to see a REAL (completely dead) "bricked" vibrant from flashing a released Rom alone. I have seen a lot of user error cause boot loops or "soft-bricks" & HWL phones become unflashable because the end user didn't take the time to research though. As far as devs being "lazy" I dont really see that when the developer is coming here for us to tell him what else we find wrong. They are coding, you flash, you report back with a logcat. This is how development is made to my understanding. If ppl are to lazy to JUST do this then why shouldn't the developer discount long winded post or something they are not experiencing? If they know there is a bug its in the OP.
If you guys can change the interwebz & how 500 post per update are made completely useless please feel free to do so....
swehes said:
So looked into the Wiki for the Vibrant and have updated some information. Let me know what you guys think. Is this the way to go?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S_SGH-T959#ROMs
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I think it's a pretty awesome start for sure
As a matter of personal taste, I think having an individual wiki page per ROM (with the known issues and other detailed info) might be nice, although I'm not sure what the policy on new pages is with the XDA wiki.
Speaking from professional experience, the most challenging aspect of any documentation system is always convincing people to use it. It's great to compile the information, but unless ROM builders and devs post a link to the wiki in the forum threads nobody will ever see it. Having good, community based documentation is a benefit to everybody though, so hopefully people will recognize the utility of it and encourage its growth!
OK, so I've searched the forums, and so far have come up empty. Mods, if I missed a thread , I apologize.
What I'm looking for and would love to find, is a list of ROMs, sorted by device. Like if I wanted to see what ROMs are available for my Nexus 7, I would like to be able to visit a website, enter my device and be shown every ROM that is compatible with my device..
I believe developers would have an easier time of spreading the word about their products, if people didn't have to spend hours surfing the forums, searching for people who are running whichever ROM on whatever device. Just my 2 cents.
The fact that something like this doesn't exist is beyond me. Maybe I just can't find it..
It doesn't exist because it is logistically unfeasible and impractical. The closest you could hope to come to something like this is goo.im, and it is by no means all inclusive.
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You could certainly start a Wiki. It would be a service to some.
My own request would be for people who start topics, give them a title as specific as possible.
A topic as general as this one wastes an awful lot of folks time, opening it to see what it is about.
najaboy said:
It doesn't exist because it is logistically unfeasible and impractical. The closest you could hope to come to something like this is goo.im, and it is by no means all inclusive.
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How is logistically impossible? Its just data being pointed to by hyperlinks.. All it would take is for various developers to submit links to a particular site that would allow users to search for their device. Much like this site, as it allows you to select your device then attempts (horribly) to show you what is relevant to your device. Problem is, if you want to find out, for example, what's the hottest new stable ROM for your device, you have yo sort through all the crap unrelated posts to find it.
And as far as practicality is concerned..it would be EXTREMELY practical. The idea itself is to simplify to the process by which people access information. Pretty sure that's the DEFINITION of practical.
usncpg45 said:
How is logistically impossible? Its just data being pointed to by hyperlinks.. All it would take is for various developers to submit links to a particular site that would allow users to search for their device. Much like this site, as it allows you to select your device then attempts (horribly) to show you what is relevant to your device. Problem is, if you want to find out, for example, what's the hottest new stable ROM for your device, you have yo sort through all the crap unrelated posts to find it.
And as far as practicality is concerned..it would be EXTREMELY practical. The idea itself is to simplify to the process by which people access information. Pretty sure that's the DEFINITION of practical.
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In most forums there is a reference thread with a list of all the ROMs/kernels/mods/guides&tutorials. Its in the android development forum for the n7
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usncpg45 said:
How is logistically impossible? Its just data being pointed to by hyperlinks.. All it would take is for various developers to submit links to a particular site that would allow users to search for their device. Much like this site, as it allows you to select your device then attempts (horribly) to show you what is relevant to your device. Problem is, if you want to find out, for example, what's the hottest new stable ROM for your device, you have yo sort through all the crap unrelated posts to find it.
And as far as practicality is concerned..it would be EXTREMELY practical. The idea itself is to simplify to the process by which people access information. Pretty sure that's the DEFINITION of practical.
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What you propose would necessitate all developers submitting their Tom's and updates. As of six months ago, there were roughly 4,000 distinct versions of hardware running Android in 195 countries. Also take into account the multitude of individually compiled kangs, along with the fact that many roms see updates on a daily basis, and the necessary scope of such a project gets even deeper and more costly.
For the devs, it would represent nothing more than yet another repository for them to keep up with. Others don't want their roms mirrored by third parties, as they prefer to either directly track their downloads or have the traffic driven to their sites.
As it stands, goo represents the most comprehensive solution to your query given the real world limitations faced.
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Bad Idea.Confusion and Bricked Devices would Increase
i think having a list type site would be a injustice to the rom Developers. As they post vital information and updates as well as user feedback on the Developers. Rom threads posted here in Developer forums.. Also it allows feed back between developers and users on what they want ,what works and what does not...
Not to mention the ability for users to help with the development of there favorite rom by passing donations to the Developer..
The so called list is here alive and active. Its called xda developer forums.. Each device has its own forum each forum is broken down into sections. What more would be needed then our Developer forums . Then developer rom threads.
I would not download a rom bases on a list from a 3rd party site.. I can see that causing roms being mistaken from one to another..
Just my opinion.. what we have now is not broken.. No reason to fix it cm 10 has a download list of all roms... Paranoid andorid does as well all the big dev teams do this... Your just not looking deep enough ...
One more thing. If it were that simple without having to read about a rom. There would be a ton of bricked devices from people not knowing what they are really doing when flashing or the risk they are taking..
Good Luck on your List and getting developers on board..
erica_renee said:
The so called list is here alive and active. Its called xda developer forums.. Each device has its own forum each forum is broken down into sections. What more would be needed then our Developer forums than developer rom threads.
Good Luck on your List and getting developers on board..
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+1......My thoughts exactly
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