GPS and Wifi "always on"? - P3600 General

Is there anyway to keep the GPS and/or wifi on when the device is standby? When I am using GPRS the phone is "always on", which is nice for messaging etc.
Keeping the GPS on would be handy for tracking purposes.

I'd like to have it as well on my TyTN ... If I have to write a letter (in advance to Santa Claus), I'd like to add that it could be great to have a software that will automatically detect if wifi is available and switch to it (drop GPRS then).
Bare in mind, that keeping wifi alive all the time may lower a lot the battery life ...
Just my humble 2 cts.

This is not a solution but as a workaround I assign an hardware button on WMP to switch on/off the display but only the display so the battery consumption is very hi.
Also in this way you need to keep WMP opened all the time, so..
My 2 cents 2o
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tnx that could work. If WMP can do it, so could a software tweak. Do you mean that battery consumption is high due to wifi? Or because its not fully standby? With GPRS on, software like MSN messenger stays alive when standby, but this could be related to the fact that it is quite embedded in the OS. I must say that i havent checked battery life with GPRS always on.

morrow said:
If WMP can do it, so could a software tweak.
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Yes, you r absolutly right, there r many sftw. that do this but I dont remember the name; have a look at www.pocketpcfreeware.com nd you'll find that. This functionality is also included in many today plugin nd task manager
morrow said:
Do you mean that battery consumption is high due to wifi? Or because its not fully standby?
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both, AFAIK most battery consumption is related to the WiFi activity
hope this help, [email protected]

Hi
you can disable Suspend completly
Registry.SetValue(@"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\Timeouts", "ACSuspendTimeout", 0);
Registry.SetValue(@"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\Timeouts", "BattSuspendTimeout", 0);
or use the settings Dialog.
and there is also a mode where Keyboard and Touch is off and only power button will get you back . but still everything continues runing - Active Sync is a good test.
from source you can achive this state and all others via:
[DllImport("coredll", EntryPoint = "ExtEscape")]
private static extern int ExtEscapeSet(
IntPtr hdc,
uint nEscape,
uint cbInput,
byte[] lpszInData,
int cbOutput,
IntPtr lpszOutData
);
hope this hlps
Daniel

Also, MortSaver might be of use to you here. You can set it to only turn off the screen completely but leave the CPU, Wifi, GPS, etc. running. Obviously this will consume a large amount of power. The last I tested the phone lasted about 3.5 hours using standard battery

tnx, mortsaver did the trick to test it. I kept wififofum scanning with GPS on, the battery drained in about 7 hours. There wasn't much wifi activity going on, so it will probably drain much faster if there's more activity.

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Increase battery life of Universal?

Whats the best way to increase battery life of the Univsersal? mine seems to run down after about 6 to 10hrs with avearge use. I do use the UMTS feature.
ump001 said:
Whats the best way to increase battery life of the Univsersal? mine seems to run down after about 6 to 10hrs with avearge use. I do use the UMTS feature.
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Try to find xcpuscalar, you can underclock your cpu so it will consume less battery.
You can also go for the extended battery. They have 4800 and 3800 available now.
4800: http://www.lionbattery.com/description.php?noproduit=324
3800: http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?code=136987
I personally have the 3800. They both will increase the thickness of your device though.
The device is thick enough as it is, and i'm having issues carry it.
My try the cpu program and see how it goes.
Open Phone app. -> Menu -> Options -> Band -> Set it to GSM
Having it to auto roam between GSM-UMTS(3G) or set to UMTS uses a lot off power.
Set it to UMTS when you need higher internett speed
vondutch said:
ump001 said:
Whats the best way to increase battery life of the Univsersal? mine seems to run down after about 6 to 10hrs with avearge use. I do use the UMTS feature.
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Try to find xcpuscalar, you can underclock your cpu so it will consume less battery.
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do you use it? can you feel the difference?
The difference in the cpu downclocker is very minimal. I remember reading a post (search for it) of someone doing the test. Underclocking and leaving it at the factory setting, there was only like a 5-6 minute difference.
I would like to pick up an extended battery but then my nice silicone case I just bought wouldn't fit with the larger battery cover It's ok, I've got two backup batteries if I ever travel and am not able to charge the device.
bosjo said:
Open Phone app. -> Menu -> Options -> Band -> Set it to GSM
Having it to auto roam between GSM-UMTS(3G) or set to UMTS uses a lot off power.
Set it to UMTS when you need higher internett speed
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thanks have done this and it seems to work quite well. Is it possible to create a button on the desktop to do a quick switch between GSM and UMTS?
ump001 said:
Is it possible to create a button on the desktop to do a quick switch between GSM and UMTS?
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Not that I know of.
Also , make sure to terminate any GPRS/UMTS connection before attempting to change network type, otherwise it might refuse to change.
biggest power savers i found:
1. turn off auto beam acceptance
2. wind back the screen brightness display to just before blank (you really dont need it that bright)
3. disable wifi & bluetooth at all times when not in use
4. Set the auto screen off and device off features
5. Soft reset your device in the morning if possible, i use backup software to do it for me
6. If you really want to save power... go into flight mode. PDA still works, music etc, but no radio facility.
In my view, and order of impact... 6, 3, 2, 4, 5, 1.
simon_darley said:
biggest power savers i found:
1. turn off auto beam acceptance
2. wind back the screen brightness display to just before blank (you really dont need it that bright)
3. disable wifi & bluetooth at all times when not in use
4. Set the auto screen off and device off features
5. Soft reset your device in the morning if possible, i use backup software to do it for me
6. If you really want to save power... go into flight mode. PDA still works, music etc, but no radio facility.
In my view, and order of impact... 6, 3, 2, 4, 5, 1.
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I agree WiFi is a major drain!!! Beam acceptance...IrD what? havent used IrDa in years only you dont really need to disable Bluetooth...just make device not discoverable :wink:
You can adjust WiFi performance and battery usage
Another thing I noticed, we have the option of adjusting WiFi connectivity to either having BETTER BATTERY or FASTER CONNECTIVITY by going to Comm Manager>Settings>WiFi Settings from there you can play with the bar and determine which is best for your usage.
QuaCKeReD said:
simon_darley said:
biggest power savers i found:
1. turn off auto beam acceptance
2. wind back the screen brightness display to just before blank (you really dont need it that bright)
3. disable wifi & bluetooth at all times when not in use
4. Set the auto screen off and device off features
5. Soft reset your device in the morning if possible, i use backup software to do it for me
6. If you really want to save power... go into flight mode. PDA still works, music etc, but no radio facility.
In my view, and order of impact... 6, 3, 2, 4, 5, 1.
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I agree WiFi is a major drain!!! Beam acceptance...IrD what? havent used IrDa in years only you dont really need to disable Bluetooth...just make device not discoverable :wink:
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In settings, the icon is actually red and blue, in otherwords IR and Bluetooth aware for incoming files and transfers. if you dont do a lot of beaming (bt or ir), then turn it off in settings.
simon_darley said:
QuaCKeReD said:
simon_darley said:
biggest power savers i found:
1. turn off auto beam acceptance
2. wind back the screen brightness display to just before blank (you really dont need it that bright)
3. disable wifi & bluetooth at all times when not in use
4. Set the auto screen off and device off features
5. Soft reset your device in the morning if possible, i use backup software to do it for me
6. If you really want to save power... go into flight mode. PDA still works, music etc, but no radio facility.
In my view, and order of impact... 6, 3, 2, 4, 5, 1.
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I agree WiFi is a major drain!!! Beam acceptance...IrD what? havent used IrDa in years only you dont really need to disable Bluetooth...just make device not discoverable :wink:
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In settings, the icon is actually red and blue, in otherwords IR and Bluetooth aware for incoming files and transfers. if you dont do a lot of beaming (bt or ir), then turn it off in settings.
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Lol, I was bein sarcastic on the IrD what comment, thanks though
What about having an SD card in the reader? does this affect battery drain? if so, how much?
edeplano said:
What about having an SD card in the reader? does this affect battery drain? if so, how much?
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It only drains the battery when being used. Keeping it reside in the SD slot doesnt drain any battery
in the other way: If I use ONLY GSM, all other out (BT,WiFi,etc), and I don't bother the PDA, the power could last for more days...
If I don't use the PDA, only as normal phone (without opening it, and I don't make long calls) the battery goes from 99% only to 90-95%. This is quite impressive I think.
@kchris
Yearrrr, http://europe.nokia.com/7380 this would be my next choice :lol: :wink:

Battery Life

Can you post your usage and your battery life ?
Just as DUKE09 posted in the past in the Elf forum, I'm reporting the information needed to understand our usage:
- Things that you made with touch (gaming, video,gsm, music etc.) + how long? (hour plz)
- Whether if you switch off your touch at nights or not?
- Fully discharge and charge ?
- Total time to reach at zero level ? (touch turns itself off)
- Settings for HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Resuming\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Suspend\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Unattended\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default
- Background applications
- Band (GSM or 3g)
- BT ON or Off
Mine are:
- No gaming no video or media, 1h30min phone call per day, 5 sms, plus Active sync via BT
- Charged during the night
- No full Discharge
- Dunno when it will be completly discharged (i need it for work)
- Registry settings all three configured with Default = 3 (my BT headset never disconnects even if the dual is in standby), I've played a little bit with those parameters and i found that with Default = 4 my battery drains really fast.
- Sometimes I use PocketCM and FullScreenKeyboard, both in background
- Disabled 3g, via Band menu in the Phone Settings (setting Band to GSM) and HKLM\Software\OEM\UMTS\OpMode configured to 1.
- BT always on
With those settings at the end of the day my Dual is at 60-65%
Please post your comments here !
Thanks in advance,
Raid.
You certainly doing better then me! my Dual at the end of a working day is at measly 30-40% but then again I do have it on set 3g all day, listen to about 90 min of music via bluetooth headset and surf the web for about an hour as have unlimited data plan with 3
Hhmmm!!! I going to try your power management reg tweak, I'll let you know if it makes any difference, if does nice find Raid!!
Fully charge in the morning, turn on Bluetooth 24 hours, MSN for 2 hours using 3.5G, Web browsing using 3.5G half an hour, talk on phone average of 15 mins at the end of date left 30 percent.
@gfreek
I think that the default setting is "3" for all power parameters.
I've modified those to "4" due to random disconnects of my old Nokia BT Headset (maybe is not compatible). But then I've found that the problem was the BT headset and not the Dual, and I've switched back to "3" due to an heavy battery drain. I dunno if your ROM has "3" by default.
Looking at the first two posts I think that using the Dual in a "normal way" for that kind of device, we have to charge it at the end of the day....no chances...
Has the Touch Elf a better battery life ?
Regards,
Raid.
I have Qtek 8500, Qtek S200, HTC 710, HTC Touch Dual ... all Device have simulare batterie drain!! I think ... HTC Touch Elf too. Only resone why i think Touch Elf is in the moment batterie friendlyer ... you can install a CPU Scaler to save your batterie. I use all Device in the always online mode (need Exchange Sync or Blackberry ... both are simulare in Batterie drain!)
Hi raid, I can confirm my dual default for all three was set to 4, I've now set it 3 like yours, let see if makes a difference on mine.
raid said:
@gfreek
I think that the default setting is "3" for all power parameters.
I've modified those to "4" due to random disconnects of my old Nokia BT Headset (maybe is not compatible). But then I've found that the problem was the BT headset and not the Dual, and I've switched back to "3" due to an heavy battery drain. I dunno if your ROM has "3" by default.
Looking at the first two posts I think that using the Dual in a "normal way" for that kind of device, we have to charge it at the end of the day....no chances...
Has the Touch Elf a better battery life ?
Regards,
Raid.
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Hi raid, I can confirm my dual default for all three was set to 4, I've now set it 3 like yours, let see if makes a difference on mine.
Ok gfreek ! I'm waiting for the results !
ok raid here's my findings with this tweak:
BEFORE:
Battery Level after a working day = 30-40%
(based on the below settings/usage)
AFTER:
Battery Level after a working day = 50-55%
(based on the below settings/usage)
Settings/Usage:
Band - 3G
Web - 1 hour day
Music via BT Headsets - 90min
Calls - about 20-30min
So as you can see raid this little reg tweak does have an overall effect on battery level! Just curious raid did you try setting yours to 2 or 1 on these registry? did they any more difference? or should I just stick to 3.
those registry settings, what are they doing?!
Did you guys notice any instability afterwards?
I didn't try to set them to 1 or 2.
Referring to this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=273990&highlight=keep+wifi+standby+bluetooth+Power
I think that with 1 or 2 we get more power consumption...
The strange thing is that with "4" BT should be off during the standby, instead we just get battery drains faster !!
Maybe the power states are different on the Dual ?
Many thanks gfreek !!
Please, if any other can confirm what we have tested, it will be much appreciated...
Settings work for me. Went from 25% left end of day to 60% left.
Also this helps: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305332
Anyone more tips ?
Admins, I think this thread should be a sticky !!!
Please ANY DUAL OWNER, try those power registry settings !!!
Just to have more feedbacks....
Many thanks to gfreek and steven !
Another Reg tweak to increase battery life even further!!
Hi guys I have tested this and found a nice little increase in battery life on top of the reg tweak Raid posted here! You're likely get 10-15% increase on battery life with this tweak, it may not seem like much but a power user like me, it does make a difference
With the combination of these reg tweaks settings at the end of a working day my Dual is at 65%-70% before it was 30% - 40%
Settings/Usage:
Band - 3G
Web - 1 hour day
Music via BT Headsets - 90min
Calls - about 20-30min
Please post your comments here!
Navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\AsyncMac1\Parms
Default value type and value are
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:1
Change to
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:0
Navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\PPTP1\Parms
Default value type and value are
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:1
Change to
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:0
Navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\L2TP1\Parms
Default value type and value are
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:1
Change to
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:0
P.S. Raid Since I flashed to HTCAsia WEE ROM, to maintain long battery life, I have had to revert to 4 instead of 3 (that I had on my previous Orange UK ROM) on the the following reg tweaks you posted on this thread: -
Settings for HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\ Resuming\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\ Suspend\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\ Unattended\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default
Do you know what is PPTP or L2TP???
Why you think, it can helps to save Power?
PPTP and L2TP is a Tunneling Protokol! You only need them, if you open a VPN Tunnel to a Privat Network. If you change settings and you doesnt use the buildin VPN functions, you will save what??? Nothing ... yes ... nothing is the only right answer!
If some guys want realy check his power consuming ... please use a Amp Meter and a Datalocker for long time messurments!
Next ... if some guys change here Radio Rom ... possible they save Power! What Radio Version was in his Dual???
This are importent questions!
Sorry for my bad English but this tweaks are pure nonsens!!!
NetrunnerAT said:
Do you know what is PPTP or L2TP???
Why you think, it can helps to save Power?
PPTP and L2TP is a Tunneling Protokol! You only need them, if you open a VPN Tunnel to a Privat Network. If you change settings and you doesnt use the buildin VPN functions, you will save what??? Nothing ... yes ... nothing is the only right answer!
If some guys want realy check his power consuming ... please use a Amp Meter and a Datalocker for long time messurments!
Next ... if some guys change here Radio Rom ... possible they save Power! What Radio Version was in his Dual???
This are importent questions!
Sorry for my bad English but this tweaks are pure nonsens!!!
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LOL! NetrunnerAT I can see you are very opinionated person! FYI yes I do know what PPTP and L2TP are!!!! what part you don't understand when I said I TESTED these tweaks, in fact tested it over week with and without the reg tweak just to make sure they really did make a difference, I know on paper these tweak should not make a blind bit of difference but they did!! maybe I've got a very special dual MY PRECIOUS!!!!
Realy???
Very Strange ... for Windows CE 5.0 you can buy a Technical Document for the Registry Hives. They are simulare. It say ... if you Open a Tunnel, you can disable the Powermanagement. The reason is easy ... VPN Tunnel need a up and running connection. If your device close it, for saveing power ... the session keys are invalid. New IKE exchange is needed!! A normal Handy doesnt use it!
Italian touch dual:
before:30% at the end of the day
after:40% at the end of the day(i obviously tried the mod for several days to avoid casual alteration due to a different usage of the device)
1hr phone
.5hr web
some casual gaming/mp3/movie
2g/3g auto select, so it eventually switch when there's 3g coverage
usually recharge when batttery approximately goes to 10%
BT always on
now, could anyone kindly explain what these registry mods really do??
i haven't noticed any issue till now.
same for me
i have abt 10% more battery.
i realized, that bluetooth really sucks battery. If I disable bt i have 60-70% left at the end of the day. with bluetooth 30-40%.
butr isn't that a shame? a new battery which I have to charge every day? what do i have to do in 6 month? charge it three times a day?
arjov said:
now, could anyone kindly explain what these registry mods really do??
i haven't noticed any issue till now.
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what keys you mean?
The BT Settings change the Working Profile of the BT Stack.

GPS Today

GPS Today
I am very impressed with this program so far. Found it at
http://www.freewareppc.com/download/travel/gpstoday.shtml
Like Google Maps but with a Today Plugin.
Works easy and fast!!
Try it!
Mobo
Sounds cool, I'm trying it now. Here's a link to the full page with the description: http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=26396
Application Description
GeoTerrestrial GPSToday is a lightweight today screen plugin that will allow you to utilize the full capabilities of your device.
* It utilizes intelligent algorithms to always maintain and display a fix on your position right on your today screen, without draining the battery.
* Always see your full street address, not just geo-coordinates.
* Currently WORKS in the US only!
* Slide the red icon over to the right to start the GPS in continuous mode, or single-tap the red icon to start the GPS in quick-fix mode.
* GPSToday always shows the distance to the nearest contact from your device's address book.
* Single tap to create a new contact with your current location as the address, or save the current location as an existing contact's address. Imagine not having to type the full street address on the PPC keyboard!
* You will never need the stylus to use GPSToday!
* Speed, heading and satellite data is shown clearly on the today screen whenever the GPS is running.
* In-pocket tap protection. A single tap on the today screen only operates the GPS in quick fix mode. To fully start the GPS in continuous mode requires an iphone like sliding motion, guaranteeing no pocket accidents.
* Single tap from the today screen to access fully draggable online maps!<
* Always see all your address book contacts on the map. Just tap a contact to quickly call/email or send sms.
* Single tap from today screen to quickly do a yahoo local search around your current position and see the results on a live map. Just tap a result to call or open the website.
* High quality Yelp Reviews for local search results!
* Fetch the full street address for any point on the map.
* GPSToday automatically disables data access when your device goes into roaming mode.
* And many more features.
* Best of all, its free!
Update Description
Added Note: Currently Works in the US only!
i'm trying t too
I'm really curious how can it be "without draining the battery" when internet is active and gps is active. If those two features are active then battery must be drain more than normal usage. Hopefully, someone can measure it. If it is true, we can have GPS open all day long without worry about battery drain and in the same time no need to wait for "cold" boot and have instant gps when open tomtom or other gps application.
I had it on my device for the last few days and while it does offer direction, speed, etc it does consume battery life. It stays active and when it hits open sky, begins the search. Several trips home from work monitoring my speed yielded a very warm battery...
I'm really curious how can it be "without draining the battery" when internet is active and gps is active. If those two features are active then battery must be drain more than normal usage. Hopefully, someone can measure it. If it is true, we can have GPS open all day long without worry about battery drain and in the same time no need to wait for "cold" boot and have instant gps when open tomtom or other gps application.
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There should be no extra Battery drain with GPS on because GPS doesn't require the transmitter to be turned on like the internet access does.
The receiver in the unit always stays on (so you can get calls) so receiving satellite data doesn't require any more power than normal.
The internet connection DOES drain the battery though as it needs to turn on the transmitter each time it sends data.
i used it this morning and last night.
first off, it leaves the data connection active while it updates your location/address so yeah, it drains the battery. i lost 10% or so in about an hour of constant use. but keep in mind that also had the screen on while i was watching it. next, its a little buggy because, for me, it would stop GPS'ing when the screen shut off and once the screen came back on, it would get the sats for about 20 seconds then stop. i have to go into the map, choose MORE, and chose run GPS to make it stay on. all in all, its a really neat app, i love the speed part.
I just found this the other day and tested it. One problem I had was I had to go to the map to keep my connection open. It kept turning on and off until I clicked on the map and it didn't turn off afterwards. I didn't have to keep it open. I just opened and closed it. It seems to get a pretty quick connection when outside. It seems to be a memory hog I think for what it does. I start at 11 mb with just this on the Today screen using NexVision rom, which I usually started at 15. I like the plugin. I wish it didn't use at much ram as it does.
OK.. I might just be lame but I ran the cab on this.. Did the soft reset and there is nothing installed for it.. In my programs there is no listing for it and on my storage card (where I installed it) there is only a listing for a help file that does not open...
Any ideas??
RevSand said:
OK.. I might just be lame but I ran the cab on this.. Did the soft reset and there is nothing installed for it.. In my programs there is no listing for it and on my storage card (where I installed it) there is only a listing for a help file that does not open...
Any ideas??
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NM... just installed it to the device and it works.. hmmm not a fan of it there but it will have to do...
Asphyx said:
There should be no extra Battery drain with GPS on because GPS doesn't require the transmitter to be turned on like the internet access does.
The receiver in the unit always stays on (so you can get calls) so receiving satellite data doesn't require any more power than normal.
The internet connection DOES drain the battery though as it needs to turn on the transmitter each time it sends data.
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If you delve a little bit deeper into how GPS receivers work, you'd understand that it actually does draw quite a bit of power. Also, the mogul does not use aGPS, which uses the cellular tower information to help get a faster fix without as much effort on the part of the GPS chip. Your explanation of "The receiver in the unit always stays on (so you can get calls)" doesn't make any sense in this case since the technologies do not rely on each other.
To prove my point:
Turn off the cellular radio on your phone in the comm manager. Turn on Bluetooth. They both use a receiver, however bluetooth uses far less power than the cellular radio. Your battery will last longer. The GPS radio also uses power, perhaps less than cellular, but more than not using it at all.
BOTTOM LINE: Leaving GPS on will eat your battery. Period.
it's a today plug in. if it doesnt show up, reinstall it to your device
This program makes my mogul really slooooooooooow...
hmmm, I was really trying to prevent downloading on device but i'll do it and hope all works.
Update. I now see the gps but my phone is slow as dirt. Cant even click on Start or anything....whenever I receive a new message I get same issue...bout to soft reset again to see if it works a little better....
seems to be running better just needed time to boot up I guess....should we be changing anything on GPS settings? I feel like I just got a new toy man...
Seems like a cool new toy.. I cannot wait to get outta the cave I am working in right now and see how well it really works with a sat signal...
Dishe said:
If you delve a little bit deeper into how GPS receivers work, you'd understand that it actually does draw quite a bit of power. Also, the mogul does not use aGPS, which uses the cellular tower information to help get a faster fix without as much effort on the part of the GPS chip. Your explanation of "The receiver in the unit always stays on (so you can get calls)" doesn't make any sense in this case since the technologies do not rely on each other.
To prove my point:
Turn off the cellular radio on your phone in the comm manager. Turn on Bluetooth. They both use a receiver, however bluetooth uses far less power than the cellular radio. Your battery will last longer. The GPS radio also uses power, perhaps less than cellular, but more than not using it at all.
BOTTOM LINE: Leaving GPS on will eat your battery. Period.
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and besides that, even if the gps doesnt need extra power to recieve GPS data it still has to do something with the data, that means the processor is running, stuff is being written to and from RAM, then displayed on the today screen, all this takes more power that doing nothing
anyway, i ended up having to prime the GPS with google maps to get this thing going, and the today plugin flickers rather annoyingly (and its definately eating the battery, i got it charging now but its charging up a lot slower than usual)
hmm, i have google maps on my laptop for mobile. I will attempt to install later. as far as the gps working, I was driving to work and it showed me how fast I was going and how far i was from work. I didnt even put it to search for work but it must have found the address somehow in my phonebook?
I'm lookin at the program and its linking to an Autozone that is 5,397.7 miles away from me. I know which one they are referring to since i saved that name and number but i'm pretty sure its closer than 5 thousand miles from me...WTF
i'm still trying to learn how to use this...
program seemed REALLY cool.. but while it was installed and looking for a signal it seemed to REALLY lock up my phone... I could not do anything on it for a couple mins. I will keep an eye out for a newer version when it comes out since I did really like the concept of this program...
Thank you
Hi all,
First, its wonderful to see so many positive comments about the software just days after its first release. Now we know we are on the right track!
Secondly guys, apologies for the bugs/issues you faced, or are still facing. This is still version 0.9, so its actually a beta release (not that that's an excuse!). Also please excuse us for the lack of documentation.
About the "without draining the battery" part, I agree the language is somewhat confusing. It was meant to compare with the consumption that would occur if the GPS were actually running all the time. You'll agree that if you start up the GPS at 8:00 in the morning on a typical Phone-PDA and leave it running non-stop along with an active internet connection, it will not last until noon. With GPSToday one can get the same benefit throughout the entire day. There have been some inconsistencies though, with some users reporting almost no perceptible change in battery life, and some being seriously affected.
Please note that tapping the red icon on the today screen is intentionally meant to temporarily start the gps, obtain a fix if available, and then stop. To start the GPS in continuous mode from the today screen itself, drag the red icon over and drop it onto either of the two icons on the right. Once you are done, you must remember to stop it by repeating the same gesture. Also, try this once if the automatic mode is not able to get a fix the first time you go outdoors.
Memory: our tests indicate significantly less than 1MB consumption when the map window is closed, and about 1.5 Mb overall when the map window is being actively used. We agree this is a bit high (but nowhere close to the 4mb one of you is reporting). Some of this is also an offshoot of the fact that it uses up only a tiny amount of storage memory, < 200kB. Nevertheless, expect to see ram usage being reduced significantly in later versions.
Lastly, please fetch the latest version 0.9.1 which fixes some battery life issues and other minor fixes, from Pocketgear at http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=26396. Make sure the download filename is GPSToday091.CAB. We recommend a soft reset immediately after installtion. We also promise that from v 1.0 onward soft resets will not be required!.
Thanks!
GT, Inc

Battery drains 50% a day...whilst idling!

Guys,
pretty much as the topic says...it drains about 40 to 50% a day when it is idle....if I am using it it can be anything up to a 1% a minute.
Any hints on where to look - tried using battlog to log the usage but i cannot open the subsequent file at all.
Wiggz said:
Guys,
pretty much as the topic says...it drains about 40 to 50% a day when it is idle....if I am using it it can be anything up to a 1% a minute.
Any hints on where to look - tried using battlog to log the usage but i cannot open the subsequent file at all.
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Wiggz,
Try checking if you're in a dead-zone with no reception? (Your phone may be constantly trying to search for a signal). Do this for Wi-Fi too. Make sure it is not constantly scanning for a network.
Similarly, open up your task manager. How many programs do you see running in the background? Remember that pressing X in Windows Mobile does not mean it closes the application, it only means that the application is minimized.
Cheers.
Wifi is hardly ever on. My signal is always constant, but I have my data connection on 24/7 for emails. The only program I ever see consume CPU power when idle is "changescreen". I always check that a program has closed properly when I click the 'x'.
I know data connection on eats some battery but jesus - not that much surely?
Wiggz said:
Wifi is hardly ever on. My signal is always constant, but I have my data connection on 24/7 for emails. The only program I ever see consume CPU power when idle is "changescreen". I always check that a program has closed properly when I click the 'x'.
I know data connection on eats some battery but jesus - not that much surely?
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Wiggz,
The question remains, how many programs do you see when you open up the task-manager? You did not answer the question.
From what I've observed with my friend's Toshiba Portege, he lost 30% in an hour. He did not realize that he had 15-ish programs "idling" in the background with very little RAM use. Long story short: Turn everything off if you don't need it and just keep the Task Manager running. He now goes through the night with 1 ~ 2% loss.
Good day.
PoisonWolf said:
Wiggz,
The question remains, how many programs do you see when you open up the task-manager? You did not answer the question.
From what I've observed with my friend's Toshiba Portege, he lost 30% in an hour. He did not realize that he had 15-ish programs "idling" in the background with very little RAM use. Long story short: Turn everything off if you don't need it and just keep the Task Manager running. He now goes through the night with 1 ~ 2% loss.
Good day.
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When I open up task manager I see 4 applications running (taskmgr, manila, cprog x2) - when I check the processes I have many more obviously. However these are all processes I'd expect to be running (gwes.exe, cprog.exe, device.exe, services.exe etc...)
Any more advice?
Wiggz said:
When I open up task manager I see 4 applications running (taskmgr, manila, cprog x2) - when I check the processes I have many more obviously. However these are all processes I'd expect to be running (gwes.exe, cprog.exe, device.exe, services.exe etc...)
Any more advice?
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Wiggz,
Unfortunately, that's all from me (I dont even have this phone yet, I'm saving up for it in the next couple of weeks). Try turning off your data and see how it goes. But damn, 50% loss just on idling, something in the background is definitely killing the battery.
Cheers!
Thanks for the help anyway - annoying the crap out of me. My Artemis used to go for days without needing a charge...I suppose my battery could be screwed but I want to troubleshoot first before I bite the bullet on that one - suppose I could hard reset and see what the drain is?
Things idling in RAM should not have any significant hit on the battery life. However, having the data connection on 24/7 will indeed kill your battery life, especially if you're using 3g or higher (Edge drains alot aswell, but not as much as 3g and higher). Since emails seem important to you, I'm guessing you have it set to dl every 5min (which is the most frequent setting). If applicable, change it to 10 or 15; granted it's possible you do need to get your emails ASAP and you need the 5min frequency. Now regardless whether you changed the frequency of the auto dl or not, set your data connection to terminate after a 1min of not being used. This should help you get a good bit more out of your battery.
(I have emails dl every 30min and RSS feeds and push pages once an hour. Data enables itself when needed and then terminates after a minute of not being used. This allows me to get much more than a days usage out of the phone. The only way I kill the phone is if on top of all that, I listen to music/radio for about 6 hours)
Hope it helps
oh, and in case you don't know, HD Tweak is one way to terminate data after X amount of time of not being used.
do you have stock or cooked rom btw? duttys v3 xt, for example, is known to drain battery a lot.
Svegetto said:
oh, and in case you don't know, HD Tweak is one way to terminate data after X amount of time of not being used.
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Cheers for this. I have HD Tweak and have tried that data connection termination setting before, however there is a little comment along with it that it can stop data and/or voice calls. Has anyone had any issues with it?
Thanks
i had similar problem, battery got drained overnight or during the day with a speed of light... but in my case the bad boy was Palringo (IM) which was auto starting with every phone reset and did not show on taskbar...it is so bad that it drained fully charged battery in aprox. 6-7 hours. so now i hardly use it, and whenever i do i make sure its closed properly....
Wiggz said:
Cheers for this. I have HD Tweak and have tried that data connection termination setting before, however there is a little comment along with it that it can stop data and/or voice calls. Has anyone had any issues with it?
Thanks
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personally I have had no issues whatsoever. The voice calls that I'm guessing they're referring to is VOIP which uses your data plan to make the call as I don't see why it would interfere with normal calls. I think the easiest thing is just to give it a try, and if it doesn't work for you, then let us know and hopefully we'll be able to come up with a different solution.
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personally I have had no issues whatsoever. The voice calls that I'm guessing they're referring to is VOIP which uses your data plan to make the call as I don't see why it would interfere with normal calls. I think the easiest thing is just to give it a try, and if it doesn't work for you, then let us know and hopefully we'll be able to come up with a different solution.
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Well the reason I mentioned it was that I enabled that as one of a number of weaks and ended up having to hard reset as I wasn't getting Texts in a timely manner etc....it was probably another setting but I couldn't be sure.
Will try again. Only other thing is that data connection on 24/7 is great for a quick browse here and there and stock updates etc...
crashDebug said:
do you have stock or cooked rom btw? duttys v3 xt, for example, is known to drain battery a lot.
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why is that, by the way?
You haven't got Sprite Virtual Mobile installed have you? I tried it out on my HD and it sucked the life out of it for some strange reason. And it wasn't even showing up in task manager.
Is there a list of processes, services etc that we can safely remove/disable to work in the background? What say all?
glad this thread came up - my blackstone has been absolutely fine until I had the genius idea of "optimising" everything about 2 weeks ago with HD Tweak...
Now it's not HD Tweaks fault, but whatever I have changed means that it can drain a full charge overnight, and by morning its nigh on empty, i'm going to try and change it all back today, but for sure some setting I've changed is sucking juice like no-ones business.
FWIW - I havent installed anything during this time, the only thing i've changed is some of the settings - so it's not a "rogue" app draining the battery.
OT - sorry for the semi-hijack - I guess my point is that i'll have a play with the settings and see if I can determine what's eating the battery and then compare with other people.
that's fine (re: hijack) I think the two topics are closely connected.....not sure of the answer though
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that's fine (re: hijack) I think the two topics are closely connected.....not sure of the answer though
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ta - me either - i've changed a few settings and made a note - will post if it doesnt eat the battery overnight over the next couple of days.

So... is the LEO finally an Always-On device?

Hi everyone!
I'm having a tough time deciding whether to get an HD2 or a Nokia N900, mainly because of one main feature on the N900: As far as I can tell, the Nokia N900 allows you to stay online (Instant Messaging, VoIP) permanently, even when the device is in standby - so ICQ, Skype, SIP, MSN are all connected, and if you get a new message or a call, the device will notify you.
I haven't used many modern WinMo devices, so I'm not sure if anything similar to this is possible with WinMo 6.5 (I've used WM6.5 ROMs on my Prophet, but I'm guessing a lot of features were stripped out to make them run at all )... is it possible to do this on the Leo?
I want the device to _always_ be online - if there's WiFi it should connect to that, and if not then it should connect to cellular data. This should obviously also be automatic, so that I don't have to manually log onto the WiFi every time I get home or to university...
Is this use supported? Or would it be more of a hack that runs down the battery like crazy (IIRC you can turn on WiFi permanently, so that it doesn't turn off when you put the phone in standby - not sure if the apps would stay connected, though)...
Thanks in advance!
I think the HD used to turn wifi off when the phone went into standby (I don't think I ever used wifi), but it used to stay connected over 3g for IM and the like when you turned the phone off (stand by)
Oh really? I thought 3G was turned off too... well, I guess that's a step in the right direction.
Anyone know about WiFi and automatic switching?
By default the WIFI is switched off when in standby, but it's possible to change it.
However, having WIFI always on will drain the battery completly.
Regarding to the automatic change, no idea!
And there's no way to lower the WiFi signal strength enough so that it doesn't drain the battery? What if you set WiFi power mode to best battery? On my Prophet it's unusable because the signal is nearly nonexistant, but I was hoping that they'd have changed this for the HD2...
Ideally it'd lower the signal strength as far as possible without dropping the signal when in standby, and then power up to a sufficient speed when the device is actually on...
Wi-Fi only turns off if you want ot too. You can change the way Wi-Fi works in the settings and let it be always on, even if you turn off the screen.
Is this new on the Leo?
Does that drain the battery quickly? Or is it in a low-power mode?
Even with the Best battery setting it won't last too long, I'm afraid. Or, as you have said, it won't have good enough reception to actually connect to anything.
I have no idea how this is implemented in Nokias, it actually sounds like a kind of magic if you're saying it doesn't kill the battery.
I've never heard about an automatic switching solution (or even about the problem, for that matter). It's relatively easy to implement periodic polling but even that will have serious adverse effect on your battery.
bemymonkey said:
Is this new on the Leo?
Does that drain the battery quickly? Or is it in a low-power mode?
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It's been on WM since times immemorial - it's a registry setting, and there are programs that allow you to change it without manually tweaking your registry.
Yes, it does drain your battery, even in low-power mode.
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Even with the Best battery setting it won't last too long, I'm afraid. Or, as you have said, it won't have good enough reception to actually connect to anything.
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Ah, so the Best Battery setting is still completely useless. Good to know.
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I have no idea how this is implemented in Nokias, it actually sounds like a kind of magic if you're saying it doesn't kill the battery.
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I'm not quite sure myself, but that's what a few of the nice people over at talk.maemo.org told me . I just hope I didn't misinterpret what they were saying
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I've never heard about an automatic switching solution (or even about the problem, for that matter). It's relatively easy to implement periodic polling but even that will have serious adverse effect on your battery.
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Meh. Think 12 hours is doable with polling?
vangrieg said:
It's been on WM since times immemorial - it's a registry setting, and there are programs that allow you to change it without manually tweaking your registry.
Yes, it does drain your battery, even in low-power mode.
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OK, so it's the same feature that's existed for a long time... I thought it was something new, that actually made sense (i.e. didn't drain the battery so frikken fast...).
Please note that I don't have HD2 myself, so I can only guess how it's going to work there.
Meh... you sounded so authoritative that I figured you must have one
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Ah, so the Best Battery setting is still completely useless. Good to know.
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Who says it's completely useless? It does save battery, I use this mode all the time on HD. Speed is lower though.
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Meh. Think 12 hours is doable with polling?
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It definitely should last 12 hours unless you poll every 5 seconds or so, but what will happen if it connects to Wi-Fi while in your pocket?
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Who says it's completely useless? It does save battery, I use this mode all the time on HD. Speed is lower though.
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Oh. I thought you said there were problems with getting enough reception to connect
That's usually the case on my Prophet...
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It definitely should last 12 hours unless you poll every 5 seconds or so, but what will happen if it connects to Wi-Fi while in your pocket?
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It's supposed to connect, and disconnect 3G to save on data costs (probably getting a plan with a 200mb cap...)
bemymonkey said:
Oh. I thought you said there were problems with getting enough reception to connect
That's usually the case on my Prophet...
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I think I said the Best Battery mode still drains your battery. A much lower power mode would have trouble connecting.
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It's supposed to connect, and disconnect 3G to save on data costs (probably getting a plan with a 200mb cap...)
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Sure, but you'd also drain your battery without noticing. I would certainly be cautious about it - I can connect to WiFi at work, at shopping malls, cafes, and sometimes even in the streets. I don't want to end up being unable to make a call because I saved a couple bucks. But maybe that's just me...
BTW, I did a quick poll here at my office - all Nokia owners have this feature disabled, they say it drains battery rather quickly. This is not in any way a scientific research, but I don't believe in miracles anyway.
vangrieg said:
I think I said the Best Battery mode still drains your battery. A much lower power mode would have trouble connecting.
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vangrieg said:
Even with the Best battery setting it won't last too long, I'm afraid. Or, as you have said, it won't have good enough reception to actually connect to anything.
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That's what I meant
vangrieg said:
Sure, but you'd also drain your battery without noticing. I would certainly be cautious about it - I can connect to WiFi at work, at shopping malls, cafes, and sometimes even in the streets. I don't want to end up being unable to make a call because I saved a couple bucks. But maybe that's just me...
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Hmmm, there should be a way to limit which networks it should connect to
vangrieg said:
BTW, I did a quick poll here at my office - all Nokia owners have this feature disabled, they say it drains battery rather quickly. This is not in any way a scientific research, but I don't believe in miracles anyway.
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Uh... what Nokias? I doubt it's the same thing, because the N900 is the first Maemo phone
E-something Nokias primarily - they have this auto WiFi feature, don't they?
Don't know anything about this Maemo thing you're talking about, obviously.
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
That's what I'm trying to decide... N900 or HD2
I leave MSN loged in on my diamond all the time. Wifi is on. it turns wifi off in standby, but msn stays logged in over the normal network connections, I alerts me I receieved a msg in the same way it does with a text. When it comes out of standby it auto reconnects to wifi.
Does that work on Fring as well?

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