Hi, i'm looking to buy the i-mate JAM from Amazon, i would like to know all the problems that people have faced with their devices and those which cannot be fixed. for example, i know there's an audio problem which can be fixed in which case i would return the device for a replacement, however, there's apparently a problem with slow SD interface which seems to be in all versions of the Magician, how serious is this problem. and finally would you recommend and even encourage me to buy the device......I would hate to be dissapointed with the device especially when i am cutting down on alot of things to save for this device.....thank you very much for your response
slow SD is not a problem xda2 is slower then the xda1 and the imate is slower then the xda2 lol
Does that affect the mp3 and video play on the device?
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Hi, i'm looking to buy the i-mate JAM from Amazon, i would like to know all the problems that people have faced with their devices and those which cannot be fixed. for example, i know there's an audio problem which can be fixed in which case i would return the device for a replacement, however, there's apparently a problem with slow SD interface which seems to be in all versions of the Magician, how serious is this problem. and finally would you recommend and even encourage me to buy the device......I would hate to be dissapointed with the device especially when i am cutting down on alot of things to save for this device.....thank you very much for your response
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The speed of SD is acceptable :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have a problem with the microphone gain when in a phone call. The gain is far to low. According to Qtek in Sweden a new rom will be available soon, which will fix the gain problem.
// Anders
Yup... I agree... My current problem is the volume when the Mini acts as a phone and then I get screwed over by another volume setting as an MP3 player.
Yes, I recommend this deivce to you. Size is good and the screen is acceptable.
How does it compare to the Blue Angel in your opinion?
Pros and Cons
PRO: everything you see in the techical list
CONS:
- wrong white balance in the camera (a patch should solve it)
- you can't listen mp3 while using vibro
- in conclusion nothing special
provided you don't get a lemon, you should be fine... my experience is please check the battery life! :shock:
At first I would have given this kit a 9 or 10 but now that I have had time to play with it I would only give it a 6
Now that you have had time to play around with your Exec, How would you rate it from 1 - 10? But please think about other PDA's and Phone's compared to the Exec.
I agree I thought it was 10/10 when I first got it.
I would have given the box it came in 9/10.
But as "ukmdb" after playing with it for a few days....this drops to 5/10.
And I`m still finding faults..
Currently I'd rate my Jasjar a 4/10.
Hardware I'd rate a 8/10 but ROM a 4/10 and ActiveSync a 1/10 and WM2005 application software availability a 1/10!
I stall have to carry my XDA II WM2003SE device with me. I'm waiting for backup software, GPS software, ActiveSync software that works, AvantGo software that Syncs via ActiveSync and room to install eBook readers etc.
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Currently I'd rate my Jasjar a 4/10.
Hardware I'd rate a 8/10 but ROM a 4/10 and ActiveSync a 1/10 and WM2005 application software availability a 1/10!
I stall have to carry my XDA II WM2003SE device with me. I'm waiting for backup software, GPS software, ActiveSync software that works, AvantGo software that Syncs via ActiveSync and room to install eBook readers etc.
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For backup software I uploaded a backup program @ zevink.com called sunnysoft backup manager, and for gps software I hear if you grab the tom tom cabs it works with WM5 (says the blueangel forum) who also uses WM5 on there devices, such as me. ANd activesync is still slow and sucky to this day
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I'm still exploring not too satisfied with it. May be i expected too much from this brick..
JJ users seems to have had more problems then Exec users as far as I can see. I have not suffered any call problems with BT headsets but my Messaging is very unstable. 3G downloads work a charm. But WM5 still looks like WinCe from 1999!
My score after 2 weeks (now only about one reset a day!): 6/10
The EXEC is my third pda and im still messing aroud with it (as i did the others (ipaq & xda2i). Sometimes i dont know why i bother with these things (maybe a filofax and small nokia would be easier). But other times i think it is the best thing i could own. I give it 6/10
I`ve given up...
Gonna give O2 a call tomorrow and cancell the contract.
Maybe next I`ll try an XDA2 or what for the XDA Exec2.
Sony Ericsson have the P990i due soon...
I have already have a P910i and would rate it an easy 8.5/10.
Hi,
Tks so much.i thought of buying exec but now looking at this poll.
i better not to buy exec.
Me too, 3 mda's and every one of them got a loose hinge, if that happens after 3 hours of full time use then after a year id be luckly if it was still in once peice.
I think the Exec is excellent. WM5 is still very rough, and not well supported by developers, quite understanderbly.
I've had an Ipaq, Motorola A920/925, XDA2 and I think the Exec is far better than any of them were 2 weeks after the launch. I know O2 have had a lot of stick over the delays in releasing the Exec, but perhaps that is why it is apparently more stable than the Jasjar?
I have experianced no missed calls and no email problems, other than me giving the wrong settings. Biggest pain is with BT dropping, but that seems to be a WM5 issue, not the phone.
Plus I had the childhoodlike christmas delight with the amazing Exec box to amuse me for hours!
I had a Nokia 9500
-no working Excel, hardly work with MS Word, slow converting.
-many mistakes with synchronising Outlook
-No Outlook notes sync
-No Internet favourites sync, no sync of files
-weird screen, because not square enough
-sloooooooow
-more bugs then the Jasjar.
-Non standard OS: Symbian. Software only works in specific device. (Symbian software on e.g. a SE p900 does not work on any other Symbian)
-Very little software available.
-not many professional forums available. People become emotional when you complain.
-no Rom update via Internet, but via shop, so travel required.
-In shirt Pocket a 9500 does not "sit" very well. Sticks out too high.
-No UMTS; no automatic switching between WIFI/GPRS/PC etc.
-No USB port standard. No loading of battery via USB.
-No special buttons for camera etc. Very unhandy four way rocker button.
-No headphone jack standard. Need special $$ Nokia cable.
-No lit keyboard
-NO TOUCHSCREEN
-No front camera
-Bad camera viewer
So you all understand why I gave the Jasjar a 9/10
New hardware and new OS: I understand those problems as early adopter.
+Great future ahead
Huib
Same Here!
I'm with Foxnolds...
Basic hardware is great, but Activesync 4 puts it back into the dark age!
herpi said:
I had a Nokia 9500
-no working Excel, hardly work with MS Word, slow converting.
-many mistakes with synchronising Outlook
-No Outlook notes sync
-No Internet favourites sync, no sync of files
-weird screen, because not square enough
-sloooooooow
-more bugs then the Jasjar.
-Non standard OS: Symbian. Software only works in specific device. (Symbian software on e.g. a SE p900 does not work on any other Symbian)
-Very little software available.
-not many professional forums available. People become emotional when you complain.
-no Rom update via Internet, but via shop, so travel required.
-In shirt Pocket a 9500 does not "sit" very well. Sticks out too high.
-No UMTS; no automatic switching between WIFI/GPRS/PC etc.
-No USB port standard. No loading of battery via USB.
-No special buttons for camera etc. Very unhandy four way rocker button.
-No headphone jack standard. Need special $$ Nokia cable.
-No lit keyboard
-NO TOUCHSCREEN
-No front camera
-Bad camera viewer
So you all understand why I gave the Jasjar a 9/10
New hardware and new OS: I understand those problems as early adopter.
+Great future ahead
Huib
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I have a 9500 and have had a JJ and now have an XDA Exec. I disagree with you on many points, but it is not helpful to argue because it depends on your requirements and expectations. All I will say is that I don't use my Exec a phone because I can't trust it, I reset it once a day, it has very little user memory and the battery lasts less 1/3 of the time the 9500 battery lasts. Also some of the issues you mention have been addressed. Finally, the 9500 is a phone with PDA functions and the Universal is a PDA with a (poor) phone implementation.
Interesting that despite all the complaining on these forums, most people are still very happy with their Universal.
If you only read the forums you'd think the Universal was a dreadful machine. It seems that it's not.
Nice idea for the poll.
Yep, 63% of people (at the moment) give the Universal 8/10 or more.
Not bad at all, and personally, I'm even happier with my device now than I was when I voted a couple of weeks or so ago...
I gave my Exec a 9/10 because the hardware for me works for what I need it to do perfectly. Yes there are some software issues that I'd like to see fixed but that is software and is dynamic. Hardware on the other hand...if it doesn't work, then I just dumped a lot of money.
These were my expectations going in:
1. Phone use. I haven't had ANY issues after a good hard reset and corporate mode. I do have a problem with callers hearing my ringtone but I think that is because of MS Voice Command.
2. E-Mail. I run an IT business and I need to be in touch and up to date. Being able to get my email sent to my phone every 10 mins is great - attachments and all. Being able to show prospective customers Microsoft's SBS with Outlook Mobile Access is a money maker for me. This phone literally helps me sell complete networks.
3. Terminal Services / RDP. I need to be able to effectively service my customers quickly or hire employees. With this phone, I can easily TS into a customer's network and perform any function as if I were there. Sure, I could lug a laptop around and I do. However, yesterday, I was in a bookstore and I received a call. I needed to restart the print spooler. I didn't have my laptop with me (in the van) and I still needed to find a book. So, I pulled out my phone, TS'd into my office workstation and from there TS'd to my client and got the job done.
Now, you are asking, why would I TS to my office first. For faster Internet speeds & utils. Also, I have more ways of connecting from a true workstation than from the phone. Such as the RDP Client & the Remote Web Workplace (active-x/https). I don't have the VPN thing from the phone down yet though.
So, the hardware is great. I would like the software fixed a bit but that will come.
I personally may return mine. The hardware is a 7 - let down only by the poor quality of some componenents.
The software is a 4.
The OEM support is non exhistant and this being my first contract phone .. I'm really f*** scared of mobile phone companies. Who the hell is regulating that lot? Cos some of the stuff they get away with is stunning ...
Sending out refurbs, not honouring DD agreeements, C/S being appualing etc.
All said and done, I dont need a phone, I need an IPAQ AND a phone.
This business of PDA + phone is 5 years away from being worth buying imho.
How cheap are you going to let it go?! After all, if you sell it for too much you'll just feel bad over how you ripped the other guy off! LOL
Oh, I forgot to add another requirement that I had.
4. I needed to be able to use RFCons' Time Tracker MX QuickBooks Edition. http://www.rfcons.com/
If anyone deals with billing by the hour while out of the office, this software rocks. BIG HOWEVER...Since Microsoft took out Pocket Access in ActiveSync 4.x/WM5, there is a sync'ing issue of the database with which is still being dealt.
At first, I had a flickering problem when I installed this software with the timer running, but after the hard reset I mentioned in an earlier post, everything is perfect.
Hi guys,
just thought i'd post this message up on the forum in case anyone is looking for a genuine o2 Xda Exec, unlocked and standard in the lovely black case....
I am selling this on ebay soon as i have just bought a mini s instead.
The exec comes with all original o2 packaging, cables and cd's and has the latest t-mobile rom installed with no extended rom so the ext_Rom can be used for storage.....
i'm looking for around 400 quid on ebay but would accept offers over 300 from anyone here.
pm me if you are intested, the auction will be posted up probably monday.
well, got my mini s this morning.... apart from the fact it doesn't take sd cards and i'll have to buy a mini sd card,
ITS SO COOL...
Gonna put my exec on ebay on monday
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Next time you'll perhaps buy the correct device in the first place? Were you not aware of it's dimension before you bought it?
Really?
Next time you'll perhaps buy the correct device in the first place? Were you not aware of it's dimension before you bought it?
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I just looked at the specs, could not go into a shop and look at the device as i got it before it was released in the o2 shops....
Don't get me wrong, the device is the best bit of kit around at the minute but because i have to use this asmy main phone, it's just too big and awkward to use.
anyway, got me mini s now and it's just so cool..... i guess i'll miss the vga screen, but i can live with that especially if pocketvcs works on this device,
cya
What if someone released a bluetooth headset that you HOLD that looked exactly like a Nokia 8800?
Nah, still think the mini s is better than the exec all round, okay it's processor is not as fast, it does not have a vga screen and does not support 3g but apart from that, it's perfect for me.
just look at the amount of people who are swapping their exec's for mini's on this forum, you don't see many people swapping their mini's for exec's.....
lets agree to differ on this subject and close this thread..... don't forget i've still got my exec and compared to the mini, it's just too big and awkward to use as a regular phone. sorry
Steve,
Most interesting post. I have recently been thinking of doing similar.
I love my exec but simply cannot stand using it as a phone. I have a decent Jabra headset, however still feel very odd using it. I think we all knew the size of the thing before buying, however thought we'd all 'cope'. Well I tried and now I'm bored of coping.
Plus, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has felt very vulnerable when having to use the brick in public.....let's face it, it is an expensive bit of kit and having to flash that screen when in close proximity to an apparent 'undesireable' is no fun......
Another point to add would be to come clean about just how much of the Exec's features I use. I am probably the least technical person on this board. I use my exec as a phone, for my emails, for my diary (where it is INVALUABLE, due to my shockingly bad memory...), to occasionaly go on the web, for my contacts.....ummm...think thats it. I have no idea what VGA is, 3G is great but only for speed (never used video phone yet). A quick game of solitare and I'm done. Oh ok and a few songs and games, but hey doesnt the mini do all that?
Would be very interested to hear of your progress with the mini.
Cheers
HPJ
I think that there are many people who will swap an Exec for a Mini and for most of the reasons stated above. I'll keep my Exec because I really bought it to replace my XDA2s for the 3G data speed. I'll put up with its faults & foibles because it gives me high speed internet access pretty much wherever I am. The VGA screen is a bonus too.
I have to agree that while I appreciate my JasJar as an internet connected PDA - it is just impractical to use as my main phone. I too knew the specs before I bought it - but knowing the specs and carrying the device are two different things. I guess this has been building with me for a while though - this is not the first PPCPE device I have owned - first there was the iMate (HTC Himalaya) and then the iPaq 6315 (what a disappointment!) and then the JasJar (Universal). I guess in the end convergence is not as important as comfort and convenience.
So - I added a new line to my account for my JasJar and bought a Motorola PEBL (which fits NICELY into my pocket) to use as my main phone. The JasJar is connected as my internet device and the PEBL is only used for phone calls. I am a very happy man!
Well guys, an update on my mini s experience.... perfect, small, compact, and does exactly what my exec did (apart from the bells and whistles) in a nice small bo....
now, a big pain in the ass with the exec was that i could not get my favourite emulator (pocketvcs) to run, thought it was a vga thing as it ran on my himalaya with wm2005 installed, so when i got my mini s, the first thing i did was install this....
guess what, it still didn't work
gutted, dunno what i could be, if some one could reverse engineer it, that would be cool as the author does not seem to respond to his emaila anymore.
for all those psople pondering the idea of ditching the exec for a min s, like me, DO IT !!! YOU WON'T REGRET IT unless you 3g or want to strain your eyes running the exec in true vga mode..... also this thing fits into a standard mobile phone car holder
steverae said:
for all those psople pondering the idea of ditching the exec for a min s, like me, DO IT !!! YOU WON'T REGRET IT unless you 3g or want to strain your eyes running the exec in true vga mode..... also this thing fits into a standard mobile phone car holder
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...Or you could have the best of both worlds by keeping the Exec and getting a high spec feature phone (I use a Sony-Ericsson K750i with my Exec) to use alongside it.
You are right that the Exec is too big to be a main phone but it is absolutely the best connected PDA on the market. And lets face it, there's no WinMob device on the market that comes close to a decent Sony-Eric, Nokia, Motorola, or Samsung for battery life, call quality, Bluetooth profiles, and other core phone functions like being able to send contacts by SMS.
I've used a variety of smartphones (MS, Palm and Symbian) and PDAs (MS and Palm) and keep coming back to the fact that convergence creates more problems than it solves.
For you guys that use dual device (a decent cell phone combined with Universal), how do you handle SMS? Can you use the native built in Universal/WM5 SMS messaging software to send and retrieve SMS via another cell phone?
For connectivity like GPRS or 3G, I guess you can set that up in the Universal so that it will use that cell phone for the connection.
Otherwise, it means we have to have 2 SIM cards, means 2 accounts, means double to pay...
When I was in Asia, I found out that pre-paid SIM card is extremely cheap so that everyone can buy it easily. Not here in the US, very expensive to maintain 2 accounts...
I agree with most things you guys said about the Universal. I myself have retired my Universal for a week now. I have switched back to my old Wallaby, which I consider much more natural for handling calls and most simple PDA things I need. My Wallaby is very easy to carry to almost any environment I have to be, compared to my Universal. The Universal, however, its very nice device to use whenever I'm at home or office environment.
I used a mini before for couple of weeks. Which one do you guys have right now? Is it the old Magician or the new Prophet? How's the Prophet's performance and speed?
I have tested Universal last December and enev though I loved device and features, at least for me it's unusable as a phone. Don't get me wrong, I used Himalaya for 1,5 year as my only phone and PDA, but I really wanted smaller device.
I got a Wizard as my phone and PDA to replace Himalaya, but in a moment of weaknes I also bought Universal. I don't use it as a phone or even as a PDA, but it's a nice mini Notebook/Tablet that I use for browsing and more "computer" stuff, like Word processing, Excel...
lie_ui said
For you guys that use dual device (a decent cell phone combined with Universal), how do you handle SMS? Can you use the native built in Universal/WM5 SMS messaging software to send and retrieve SMS via another cell phone?
For connectivity like GPRS or 3G, I guess you can set that up in the Universal so that it will use that cell phone for the connection.
Otherwise, it means we have to have 2 SIM cards, means 2 accounts, means double to pay...
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I personally do not use SMS much, but regardless of whether they send the SMS to my phone or JasJar, I will reply with my JasJar. I have software that synchs my PEBL with my Outlook contacts as does my JasJar, so I always have the same phone numbers in both - that makes it easy to reply to those in my contacts, which is most of the people I communicate with.
I do not know of a way to communicate from my JasJar through my PEBL - I do not believe it is possible - So . . .
As to two accounts, yes - I have two SIM cards, two numbers and more cost. It is not exactly twice as much though, since I was able to strip everything but a reasonable amount of minutes from the phone account and only have an internet plan on the JasJar account. It is a bit more, but not twice as much. The upside is that since we here in the States still have to use GSM/GPRS I can now talk on the phone at the same time I am running terminal server or some other communication-intensive application on my JasJar (one radio, one connection). Very Handy!
lie_ui said:
For you guys that use dual device (a decent cell phone combined with Universal), how do you handle SMS? Can you use the native built in Universal/WM5 SMS messaging software to send and retrieve SMS via another cell phone?
For connectivity like GPRS or 3G, I guess you can set that up in the Universal so that it will use that cell phone for the connection.
Otherwise, it means we have to have 2 SIM cards, means 2 accounts, means double to pay...
When I was in Asia, I found out that pre-paid SIM card is extremely cheap so that everyone can buy it easily. Not here in the US, very expensive to maintain 2 accounts...
I agree with most things you guys said about the Universal. I myself have retired my Universal for a week now. I have switched back to my old Wallaby, which I consider much more natural for handling calls and most simple PDA things I need. My Wallaby is very easy to carry to almost any environment I have to be, compared to my Universal. The Universal, however, its very nice device to use whenever I'm at home or office environment.
I used a mini before for couple of weeks. Which one do you guys have right now? Is it the old Magician or the new Prophet? How's the Prophet's performance and speed?
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I do all my SMS from the K750 as I'm pretty fast with T9 and SMS by definition has to be short.
I'm pretty sure there is software out there lets you manage your SMS on a standard pocket PC (i.e. not phone edition) over Bluetooth.
I keep the Exec for PDA/Computery stuff like Pocket Informant, browsing with PIE, email, Excel, Word, Powerpoint, TCPMP audio/video, and TomTom. I find the big keyboard and screen are excellent for these functions. In fact I tried to use my old iMate Jam for a weekend away when I didn't want to risk losing my Exec and I found that I HATED going back to the small screen and stylus.
Steveae:
Having had the mini for a few days now, whats the deal with the slower processor?? Is it noticeable?
I know it will be slower, but in you opinion is it a hindrance?
Cheers
HPJ
PS as-new exec for sale shortly if anyone's interested....UK only pls.
Well, I'm pondering the purchase of a soon-to-be-released P990.
I do wish the Trinity was coming out soon. 3G and WiFi are essentials as far as I'm concerned, but I also find the Uni a bit cumbersome so I want something smaller, and losing VGA and the keyboard is something I'm willing to do...
Even a Muse would do, actually. When's that out?
I love my Universal. I came from an HP h6340, so i'm sure you'd understand.
And sorry, after using a VGA device, It would never EVER be justified for me to buy a QVGA one. I just recently opened my H6340 and compared the 2 screens. I just couldn't believe i managed with QVGA for 1 year and thought the display was BEAUTIFUL!
Actually, I really wanted a VGA PDA/Phone and there was only one choice for this.
No complaints from me. I even had a Nokia 9000.... Yes the Black and White PDA Screen. Now THAT was a brick, this is sleek compared to that device.
Whell.... for me this is it at the moment as far buisness management on the go goes although it has a few limitations at the moment due to under development at the moment and the network signal strength stinks compared to £30 phones you can buy now days and i wouldent even complin about its size (already knew what i was getting anyway) if it wasnt for all the other flaws with it at the moment like btooth, battery, poor range on wireless and again poor network signal quality..... I have upgraded the radio rom but that was about it and cant be bothered to keep messin around with hacks since a reliable buisness tool is what i need.
Im waitting to grab a SE p990i until i consider ditching this.
BR
well what can i say, group of unhappy uni users eh...
Just thought I would butt in and put my two bobs worth....
I love it. Love everything about it. The size isnt an issue for me, I dont get embarrased easily, I dont mind holding the phone to my ear, I dont care that it doesnt have an external screen, i am either available and take the call, or I am not available and dont take the call, dont need to hide from anybody.
I love the keyboard, I love the clam protection of the screen, I love the quasi screen, I love 3G data speeds, I love the qwerty keyboard, I love the WIFI, I love SD cards, I love the camera facility, I love the video facility, I love the hacks, I love the custom software installed.
I would like more memory, and more storage, but that is all. I thought I was getting 128mb of RAM and 128mb of usable storage, but other than that, I manage well.
We all make mistakes, we all have different choices and needs, but if you didnt get the hint.... I love it. I think the main thing people need to think about in all of this is whether they wanted a phone with PDA functions, or a PDA with a phone function. Mine was the latter. My wife was the former, so we both sold our XDAII's she got a phone, I got the Uni.
Cheers and happy PDA'ing.
Hello all
I've done lots of searching on here and elsewhere and I've found lots of useful info but no definitive answer to this...
Until recently I was using TT5.21 with the original GB-only map on an unbranded 512MB SD card on my 3-year-old Himalaya (02 XDAII) with no problems. I then upgraded to the TT5 v6.60 Western Europe map and needed a new, larger SD card. Realising that my Himalaya is of advancing age, I avoided the latest high-speed cards and settled for a basic Kingston 2GB card.
Since then my TT has periodically frozen - often in one particular spot that I pass regularly, always whilst travelling in the same direction (edit: I pass the spot most days travelling both east and west but TT only freezes when going west). I have put this down to the well-documented issue of the Himalaya having insufficient oomph to power both the card reader when it is reading the TT map and the phone handshaking with a new cell.
I have uninstalled some little-used apps from storage memory and used the slider to allocate as much memory as possible to programs (original 02 WM2003 1.72 ROM). This has improved matters somewhat (I presume that the Himalaya does not have to read the map so often, thus reducing the chance of this activity coinciding with a cell change - am I right?) but I still get occasional freezes and only a soft reset and restarting TT sorts it out.
So far this has only happened on the open road and hasn't caused me too much trouble yet. However if I was in the city on an unfamiliar route it could get me into big trouble!
My question is - would a ROM upgrade sort this out? what about an updated driver for the card reader (is there such a thing or is it built into the ROM?)? am I using the wrong spec of SD card? or is it a hardware problem with the Himalaya that can never be fixed?
I have also read that an MMC card may solve the problem as it doesn't use as much power - any comments?
Thanks in advance
The Doctor
Sounds familiar..the only solution for me, was to obtain 2gb mmc card, and that solved my problems. I also had kingston 2gb, which was said to be compatible, but really wasn't.
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Hi all
In the end I took Jarno's advice and switched to a 2GB MMC card. It's now been in use for several weeks with not a single freeze - thanks for the tip, Jarno666!
Of course, now that I've posted this the damned thing will of course freeze on the way home...
...the upside being that if it doesn't, I will know that it is really, really fixed.
Cheers
The Doctor :
Of course, now that I've posted this the damned thing will of course freeze on the way home...
...the upside being that if it doesn't, I will know that it is really, really fixed.
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It didn't, so I guess it is.
The Doctor