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JVM for pJava on XDA II MS PocketPC (2003)

I have an XDA II running MS PocketPC version 4.20.0 (2003) Rom version is 1.52.00WWE.
I have reviewed all previous posts on the JVM subject and appreciate the XDA II is new and therefore may not be as many users out there who have tried a JVM yet. Hopefully someone can help me.
I want to run a pJava application that was built using a Standard Java 2 complier for deployment on the pJava environment. That works well on an IPAQ running Jeode. However the IPAQ Jeode does not run on the XDA. I am awaiting a response from Esmertec as to whether they have something suitable. I tried Ewe but that does not work. I can purchase J9 to try but before I do, I wonder has anyone got a JVM to run on XDAII, Windows PPC 2003 sucessfully. The app loads over the air so happy to have some one point at it if they have this configuration (XDAII MS 2003)and a JVM installed and running.
TIA
David

what about the one from sun ?
or is that java1 ?

Update on some progress.
I cannot find as such a JVM on the Sun site in Archive (EOL) that can be installed on PocketPC 200X. If I am missing something please advise.
On IBM site could not get past the login for trial S/W
Ewe did not work.
Creme did run and has my application half working so best so far. Lots of bugs that were not there with Jeode on IPAQ.
Could anyone send me the Sun JVM?
regards
David

Running VMs
I had Ewe running fine on the XDAII last month, this month I switched to Superwaba as it works closer to the way standard J2ME is supposed to. Haven't gotten around to testing custom code on it yet but the samples load without a hitch. The Jeode is certified so runs even smoother and I have heard of people using it on this device, plan to switch to that soon.

. . and oh yeah, the EOL stuff from sun won't get you far, it's ancient.
The IBM packages are great and even were when I tried them 2 yrs ago.
But yes, their downloading process is a pain, I had to pick up half a GB of Websphere Studio Device Developer from their site to get what I needed.
If you're really serious about your work I can send it to you on a CDROM.

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/2209.html
somethings comming which may make it easier

Appreciate the input. Making some progress with Creme, issues with Jeode. Will need to migrate away from pJava going forward but enough progress for the moment. Again appreciate the support.
regards
David

As with so many of the JVMs they say:
We offer Redmond Decaf for hardware manufacturers
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which means it's unlikely to appear on Handango as a cheap download.
O2 UK, in their original marketing for the device, said that a JVM would be released with a ROM update in the near future, however they seem to have removed all references to this from their website. Surely there's a legal issue here: promising something to encourage people buy a product and then reneging on the contract. What would happen if they had said "if you buy this product we'll send you £50 in the post in a couple of months' time" and did the same thing.

Word from O2 is Rom versions above 1.6 comes with JVM supporting MIDP but apparently not pJava :-(

How the hell do I De-cert my XDA2

Sorry if this gets asked all the time guys, have scoured your excellent forum for info but to no avail.
My ignorance is due to being an ex smartphone owner, which i am sure you know are easy to de-cert.
I just want to chuck a load of games and non-approved utils onto my XDA, but DAMMIT, it won't fookin let me
Cracking forum by the way guys, has taken me ages to find you!
Mart

Never touched a smart phone. I've never heard of "de-cert." What is it? Doesn't sound like something that needs to be done on the XDA, certainly I've never seen it said here, and I've been around since the dinosaur ages.

It allows non valid windows CE applications to be installed - i.e. not officially approved software

I've never heard of an officially-approved piece of software for a Pocket PC. I don't think there is a certification program for that. In any case, your PPC will let you install any PPC software, approved or not, whatever, it won't care.

Excellent, however I keep getting
"filename" is not a valid windows CE setup file.
Am I being stupid here, installing in the wrong way?

I have only seen that error when I tried running the wrong version (not for Pocket PC) on my unit.
Might want to make sure the app is for Pocket PC and that the cpu type is correct.

Cheers - most of my smartphone software must be incompatible then, even though the spv uses a version of PPC.
Any site recommendations where I can get hold of PPC software for free? seems to be damn expensive in most places!
Thanks again

Smartphone software IS certified... Basically, you pay Microsoft to be able to have your software run on smartphones.
Regular pocket PC or windows mobile on xda devices does NOT have this restriction (and those devices are what this forum is about..)

Smartphone software is not PPC-compatible. Lots of titles have releases for both PPC and Smatphone, but I've never seen one that has both in the same release (though I suppose you could package multiple versions with one installer).
In any case, go to the developers' sites and see if they have PPC compatible versions.

wfberg said:
Smartphone software IS certified... Basically, you pay Microsoft to be able to have your software run on smartphones.
Regular pocket PC or windows mobile on xda devices does NOT have this restriction (and those devices are what this forum is about..)
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Not true, some Smartphone software is certified but not all. There are many applications available for MS Smartphone that can only run on application unlocked handsets. Not all authors can afford to apply for certification and for many utils it's hardly worth the bother. Thankfully for most of the existing handsets it is relatively easy to application unlock them so that uncertified apps can be installed.
And going back to the OP's question, Smartphone software is not the same as PocketPC software and whilst a few rare titles can be run on both, most cannot.

www.freewareppc.com
has loads of goodies on there.
Smartphone software wise - I am not sure but I think I saw an emulator for PPC at one point - could not find it though - does anybody know if this exists as there is some good programs for smartphone that have no PPC equal???

Hiya! Some Recommendations please!!

Hi Everyone!
I just joined this forum as I've just found some answers I've been looking for!
I've got an XDA2i - the O2 branded version, after a very happy partnership with an XDA2 since early 04.
I've just gotten rid of the O2 active software after hard resetting and setting up in corporate mode. Unit seems to run 'quicker' - however I'd like to gauge some opinions.
1. Is there a way of getting back the battery meter and Profiles functions? if not, I guess 3rd party software would achieve this - but which ones are recommended? ot thought highly of here on this forum?
2. I'd like to get a better media player, is there any addons to Windows media that include a graphic equaliser? and allow playback of more video files and enhanced codecs? if not, again, whats the general consensus here as to which application works well?
3. I (slightly shamedly) have the hooky version of TomTom 5, I envisage more driving coming up as I get the ball rolling on my new business startup and will be getting my own registered copy. I've noticed the 'freeze' problem with TT5 and am now hoping that without the active software, it'll run properly. I looked through a posting that mentioned a 'patch' ? will I need this? another posting mentioned TT are aware of problems running TT5 on the XDA2i - Is it just best to wait till a new release comes out that takes care of this issue? Has anyone got the XDA2i and TT5 running smoothly?
4. Is it worth updating to the latest ROM? I've read a few of the posts and it seems the newer version has issues!
5. Finally, I know theres those utilities that look after quite a few functions and are what should have been included in Windows Mobile anyway. Something called 'Sqb Pocket plus'? is it any good? I want to be able to put more icons on my 'desktop view' be able to switch between applications easily and be able to 'close' programs properly. Any recommendations on good performing software?!
Overall, I'm very happy with my previous XDA2 and now this XDA2i, I try to perform a reset every 2 days or so, and other days it just keeps on going for 3-4 days before needing one. Apart from that, I've found the unit to be reliable, well performing and a great all in one unit.
I use a Scandisk 1GB SD card (normal speed one), along with a silicone carry cover, looking now to see what else I can install and use!!
Cheers for now! Hope I get some feedback! sorry for the long post!
Dennis! West London UK!!

Hi there, while I don't own an XDA 2i so I can't help you much on specific issues regarding that device I can certainly help with the first two questions.
1. For a battery meter I strongly recommend you check out Spb Pocket Plus, it comes with a battery and memory monitors and is highly configurable to do a lot of things. I've heard there are some issues with version 3 of the software with regards to the XDA II, I don't know if this carries over to the IIi as well, but I'm running 2.5 and have no problems so check it out!
2. As for a media player I'd recommend TCPMP (Formerly Beta Player) it will play all sorts of files, including those encoded in divx and xvid, and it's totally free too so it can't hurt to check it out!
Hope this helps and I'm sure others in the forum can help with the more device specific questions!

Hi
I like you had an XDA2 since early 04 and upgraded to the 2i in Feb this year. Good move, though in a few months you'll wish you'd waited for the Exec ;o) I'm ditching my 2i soon for it!
1) The o2 stuff comes as all-or-nothing, once it's uninstalled it's all gone I'm afraid. I would recommend Pocket Plus from SPB (www.sbpsoftwarehouse.com) as mjames_84 has suggested. It's probably the most widely used utility in the PPC market and that is for a good reason. You can have battery meters on the Today screen, but also with P+ across the very top of your screen which is always present. Very useful. There is also Journal Bar, which provides something similar plus one or two others (http://www.omegaone.com/journalbar/default.htm). www.handango.com or www.pocketgear.com will allow you to see all the alternatives.
2) Beta Player is OK and is better than it appears, though I personally would recommend either Conduits PocketPlayer, or PocketMind's PocketMusic. I think these are considered the Big Two commercially speaking. My preference recently switched from PocketPlayer to PocketMusic. Very customisable, easy to use and the extra features are what gives it the edge over Conduits'. It's also good value for money.
http://www.pocketmind.com/pmfp.htm
http://www.conduits.com/products/player/
3) TT5 with the 5.1 upgrade plus PC_Arcade's Tomtom POI patch should remove the freezing. It certainly seems to have with mine. Don't download the first one you see though, once you've installed 5.1 (though you may have to search for a "hooky" one elsewhere as I've heard the genuine 5.1 update removes whatever hooky 5.0 installation cracks are in there) look towards the end of this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=24268&start=25 for the 5.1 POI patch and install it. I still have the issue with POIs showing causing lockups but I believe that's the phone / SD card problem even though it's a Lexar 32x 1GB. If you turn POIs off but set the POI warning feature to show the ones you need to see, you will still be warned as you approach them.
4) Always upgrade to the latest ROM. Is your 2i straight from o2 or have you bought it third party? If it's from o2 then download the new ROM from http://www.my-xda.com/xda2i_soft.html and install as normal. If it's not then you'll need to follow the instructions set out in various sections of http://forum.xda-developers.com/vie...ostorder=asc&highlight=straight+imate&start=0
5) Pocket Plus as mentioned earlier is the best in my opinion, though there are options such as iLauncher and Journal Bar, amongst others. Search for them in Handango or PocketGear, though I'd highly recommend trying out P+.
Hope this helps. Don't worry about long posts...everyone on here is always happy to help.
Cheers
Ant

Sound
For better sound quality:
After upgrading my Himalaya to WM6, PocketMind's PocketMusic versions 3 to 5 don't work properly anymore.
I've tried Conduits Player but the sound is worse.
TCPMP doesn't play WMA although it says it does.
I've tried GPS Player but the sound quality is not still perfect.
Not even satisfied with iMusic withMP3.
Can't find replacement for PocketMusic.
Until somebody recommended SRS WOW HD.
It's like having sub woofer in your ears!
It works great with plain Media Player; no need for equaliser.
(Just set profile to Headset, Treble Reducer.)

One upon a time....

I use to have a XDA 2 (well, SPV M1000) and (the important thing) a folder named "My XDA 2 must have". The software I use most, the software to backup, the software to keep not only to try. Like:
1. Sprite Backup
2. Visual IT Rough Guide to London (like A-Z map to central London + extras)
3. Splash ID
and not last
4. TomTom 5 .... and others that I miss already.
And THEN, here it is, I waited so long for it, (Exec) that I decided to switch from Orange, to O2, (Orange don't have this even now). Three days of "testing"...Well the device is great....Windows 5 isn't. (At least for me.)
My folder (My XDA 2 must have) is now "The software that doesn't work on WM5" ...None of the four named programs work...it takes ages to charge, it's slow, everything has changed...and how about that 'program' included "Clear Storage"??!!!
I thought it was something like remove programs, not a bloody HARD RESET!
Everything seems to say about Windows 5.....WHY FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKEN??!!!
BTW: Does anybody know a decent Wi-Fi Connections Manager that WORKS?? (Hitchhiker crashes my Exec, Retina Scanner wants to know what my socks size is when registering, Wi-Fi Companion Doesn't Install in WM5.........)
I am glad I didn't sell my SPV M1000 yet....but I want to....I love the Exec, but hate what it does...or rather what it doesn't!
..............helps us all !!!

You seem surprised that a major version upgrade (WM2003 to WM5) comes with occasional problems. Didn't we see the same when we changed from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95?
Later versions of desktop operating systems have some backwards compatibility built in, but with the limited resources of the PPC platform I guess they couldn't achieve everything.
We may not know what they are yet , but I'm sure WM5 has built-in features that drive the platform on another big leap and over time we'll take them for granted. I looked at my XDA2 last night (now two days-worth of dust gathering on it) and was reminded how fast it responded to commands, but it looked dated already compared with my shiny new Exec.
Don't forget, we're early adopters of WM5 and we're always going to have problems. When ROM upgrades are released and developers get new versions out for us, we'll wonder how we ever lived without it!
In case you haven't seen it yet, there's a thread running over at www.tekguru.co.uk listing the software that works perfectly on WM5. I found it useful when looking for replacements for my old WM2003 versions.

I have #2 and #4 working (for #4 you need TT 5.1 - d/l the update from their site)
Reinstall from fresh I reckon. And you are using activesync 4 not 3.8 still?

I agree with SiliconS.. I'm always wanting the very latest of everything (hardware and software) and to be honest, I'm surprised how good windows mobile 5 is!
There are many problems, like icons disappearing and speed etc..but they're not life threatening.
I only hope that the providers are going to keep up with the developers and release their specific patches..if not then I'll have to convert to the Jasjar rom :shock:
I love the MDA PRO even with it's problems.

Thanks for the help guys. I'll try these options as well.
BTW, anyone has any problems with the AvantGo software?

Also
#1 Try googling : Sprite Backup v3.2.0 build 2487.
Should be working with JJ.
Best of Luck. :wink:

mosesJJ said:
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#1 Try googling : Sprite Backup v3.2.0 build 2487.
Should be working with JJ.
Best of Luck. :wink:
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This is real? had you used and work with restores?
Thanks.

From the Sprite Backup developers website:
"Sprite Backup is only compatible with devices using Windows Mobile 2002 and 2003. Windows Mobile 2005 devices cannot use Sprite Backup. We will be releasing a new version that will be compatible with these devices in the near future. Please keep visiting this site for updates."
I did try the version you mentioned but no luck. I use a Exec not a JJ...coud that be it? Thanks anyway...and damn I need a backup program...[/quote]

Here I am after another whole day of reading forums, installing and uninstalling, hard resets, trial and error....and things like that.
As far as the XDA is concerned....I feel better about it now, installed SPB Pocket Plus (works a dream), SPB Finance (great 'cuz it syncs with Quicken), and most of all, swiched to "Corporate" mode...and man, it is FAST now !!!
As mentioned before, Sprite Backup doesn't work, AvantGo works but not as it should, SplashID....nope. I did try eWallet, which works ok on the desktop but not on the XDA.
It's all good fun though.

Grogo said:
swiched to "Corporate" mode...and man, it is FAST now !!!
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I'm thinking that I might go for a hard reset and choose Corp, but I don't know how to set up the GPRS details. How did you get GPRS working for Corporate Mode, or haven't you needed to?
I do find the settings for all these connections v.confusing. I just want it simple, like my laptop! One connection does all...

Now that you mentioned that, I wouldn't know if I need different setting yet, as I am still on Orange for the next couple of days until they port my number. Interesting to see if it works though.

I've tried today the GPRS, G3 connection and it worked without changing anything. (In Corporate mode)

Just ordered an xda mini on 02

Hi all
I have just ordered an upgrade to the 02 xda mini from 02. it is my first smartphone and wondered if there is anything i should be aware of. also is there any essential software i need to download either for the phone or for my pc while i wait for it to arrive.
One more thing, i really like the profile settings on my old nokia that allows you to quickly change ringtones and switch vibrate on and off etc so is there any software available that will allow me to the same on the xda. ideally it would also change the profile when i connect the bluetooth headset if thats possible. sorry for so many questions - pesky newbies :?
all advice greatfully received.
thanks

Congratulations!
I had an original xda and an xda II and I think this (XDA Minis S/Pro, aka the Wizard) finally delivers everything I need..., except perhaps for an FM radio, but that's just picky.
I didn't bother loading Clearvue PDF as the Adobe one (v2.0) is free anyway.
I got rid of the O2 Active screen stuff as I never use it and it does slow things down. There are instructions about how to get rid of the O2 theme altogther in this forum, but I just use the Basic set up instead. I quite like the O2 theme stuff.
I will load Tomtom 5 when I get a mini SD card.
Other than that, I'm happy with it as it is.
If I want to switch phone profiles (like a Nokia) I just turn the volume down to vibrate. I only ever have it ringing or silent/vibrate anyway.
Hope that helps. There's plenty more knowledgeable people than me here who can help.
Cheers, Dave.

many thanks for the reply dave,
Another question now, being new to all this, i have been looking around the web for software (well freeware). a lot of sites list different versions such as Mips Arm SH3 etc. my question is which one do i need to download for my xda mini.
Thanks again
neil....

Erm...
Sorry, Neil, b*ggered if I know. All I know is it's a Texas Instruments (TI) chipset, so unless there is a TI option I wouldn't know. So far, all the stuff I've downloaded says PocketPC or Windows Mobile.
I'm not helping much am I ? :?

wellstuck said:
many thanks for the reply dave,
Another question now, being new to all this, i have been looking around the web for software (well freeware). a lot of sites list different versions such as Mips Arm SH3 etc. my question is which one do i need to download for my xda mini.
Thanks again
neil....
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ARM all the way. Well, actually it's an Intel, but the chipset is ARM compat, so that's what you want. MIPS and SH3 are long gone in PPC.