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[Q] HD2 100% Android?

hey im new to these forums but i was wondering. is it possible to totally remove winmo from the hd2? like flashing it directly to the system not running it off the sd and completely getting rid of winmo altogether

Not yet.. They are still working on unlocking the nand and we still use winMO to load some of the drivers. We will get there eventually. Even so, if you run a lite rom like ChuckyDroidROM you hardly notice WinMO loading.

Please do not clutter the forum with posts like this. This question has been asked countless times. You are just begging to be flamed!

polo735 said:
Please do not clutter the forum with posts like this. This question has been asked countless times. You are just begging to be flamed!
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Please give it a rest mate. People can act without perfection sometimes.
I understand why you flamed him but get real, some people will ask questions without hours of searching, is it that bad? I mean the post will move off the first page fairly quickly if it is that uninteresting.
I actually read it with interest to the question and the answer, so I found it useful.

With the level of success I have had with my HD2 and ANdroid I would say that there are quite a few folks who probrably use Android 100% of the time now. Its certainly far enough along to have surpassed the novelty phase into a viable solution for WinMo replacement.
You WILL have to do the homework and find the build that suits you though.
Good luck.

Neo_XDA said:
Please give it a rest mate. People can act without perfection sometimes.
I understand why you flamed him but get real, some people will ask questions without hours of searching, is it that bad? I mean the post will move off the first page fairly quickly if it is that uninteresting.
I actually read it with interest to the question and the answer, so I found it useful.
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Agreed. People need to stop barking at everyone who posts a question which might have been answered somewhere else on the forum. I happen to be fairly active on this forum and read a lot, but I know not everyone has the same level of interest or time. It's not that big of a deal.

I've managed to run Android mattc FroyoSense 1.7 PPP version for 3 days now. Not sure if I want to go back to WM 6.5, but if they port WP 7 I will jump on that for sure!
I found WYSE POCKETCLOUD perfect. In WM I couldn't navigate with the touch, it would emulate a click, so pretty much all the apps I used on WM I have found on Market and most of them free.
Only thing I haven't figured out is the changing of the Wifi's Mac Address from 00:11:22:33:44:55 to the real Mac address. But I am about to start the search, I use Mac filtering on my router and don't really want to open that mac address, you probably would guess why...? Other than that I have found everything to work except turning phone off or rebooting it. In order to reset phone (or turn off) I simply downloaded Terminal Emulator and do a su then a reboot. Works great for me.

poweroutlet said:
Agreed. People need to stop barking at everyone who posts a question which might have been answered somewhere else on the forum. I happen to be fairly active on this forum and read a lot, but I know not everyone has the same level of interest or time. It's not that big of a deal.
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Seconded. It makes me really mad when new people get *****ed out over this. We were ALL noobs once, and we wouldn't be as experienced as we are now if some forum grouch had chased us away just for asking a simple question. Makes me wonder how many would-be chefs & devs have been run off by the search nazis. I'm sure that most people do search first, but often don't know the exact terms to search for & therefore don't find the results they're looking for. I know that *I* wouldn't have known to look up "NAND" in reference to this very question until a week or so ago. Lighten up, people.
*steps off soapbox*
That said, its only a matter of time before the chefs come out with a fully flashable android build. In the meantime though, it is entirely possible to use android as your full-time OS. I've been using Shubcraft for over a week now & it's comparable to any native android phone. Like dantheman said, chuckydroid rom is great if you're wanting to do an 99.9% android setup. It's what I've got, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who wants to do a more 50/50 configuration as chuckydroid is VERY lightweight. It's missing a lot of standard winmo options & its basically just the barebones minimum needed just to startup & boot to android.

I would like to point something out. When you search here on XDA it does a Google search and like pointed out in previous post, you need to do an ADVANCED search (the little
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polo735 said:
Please do not clutter the forum with posts like this. This question has been asked countless times. You are just begging to be flamed!
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And you need to take it easy dude...

Hey, I agree we were all noobs once, but this really isn't to hard answer to find, I found it on my first (advanced) search using basic terms such as "android", "flash" and "internal" etc etc (Nope, i didn't even use NAND!). Hell, it only took me a couple more normal searches to find the stuff i needed (again, didn't use NAND!)
the search Nazis can be helpful if you listen to them, and besides, it probably takes longer to write out your new thread OP than wait the thirty seconds to re-search

Alisha said:
And you need to take it easy dude...
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To all those "take it easy dude" members
There is a reason for the search function and a reason why the same question over and over again causes such nausea.
Firstly, searching is a fundamantal step in amassing basic knowledge and, as XDA is awash with just that, failing to do it will lead to missguided understanding. And it's a sign of laziness and an affront to those members who have searched and studied hard to get their expertise.
Secondly, it's a turn off for those who would otherwise assist with problems/questions that can't be answered with a simple search.
There is a serious and almost academic ethos to XDA and that is what has made it such a mine of information and also an assembly point for some of the greatest ROM developers that exist.
If XDA breaks down in this regard then we all loose, big time. Some long established members have already jumped ship and althought they continue in their work they have chosen other routes by which to share it.
I see this as a loss, but, I do understand their motives.
A small modicum of understanding this will continue the tradition and it all begins with SEARCH.
Remember this is all free.

I think they should just ban all those people who pick on other ones. This used to be a nice place, stop whining and take your discussion elsewhere. Let XDA stay a friendly community and don't scr-w things up for everyone! My 2 cents. I think we all know what google is now <_< not everyone knows what NAND is.. So let this guy ask his question.
To the question: it might be possible in the (near) future, it's called NAND, but it's not yet available. It's still under development. have a nice day

To be honest with you, I am fairly new to all this Android stuff, taken me a while to get into the different terminology from windows mobile world, I was too afraid to ask a lot of question son here due to being flamed, shame as I have been on this community for ages in the touch HD section.
I would say the HD2 is 100% Android and Windows mobile.
and windows mobile has its hang ups, in fact probably more than the occasional Android ones, its fantastic to be able to have both on one device, correct me if I am wrong but this is the only device to be able to run both yes?

thank for everyone who actually tried to answer my question and also defend my question. and to those who are complaining about me asking my question...I was at work when i posted that and i work two jobs so sorry if i dont got all day to spend on the pc searching. i have two jobs and a family sorry i dont live on the pc like some people here

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truthkillszz said:
hey im new to these forums but i was wondering. is it possible to totally remove winmo from the hd2? like flashing it directly to the system not running it off the sd and completely getting rid of winmo altogether
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Well the devs here are awesome first off they will pull it off im sure (flashing to NAND) but why would you want just android? i understand wanting to use the sd card as a sd card or even speed but just having android seems like well you should get an android phone. i personally like having the choice winmo does some things very well android does others very well. I enjoy switching at will i would LOVE NAND but i would also like to run both when i want. Is that a possibility if it does get flashed to internal memory can winmo still be used some how when i want or will it be one or the other? i wonder?

Hmmmmm HD2 has only got 512mb Rom.....soooo probably not! I don't know about the UD version, they could get lucky But generally a custom rom takes up around 200mb, so it COULD be possible, although an internal dualboot system would have to be installed in the phone's rom which is not touched by rom formatting....unless it is re-installed after every WinMo and Android rom update. oooo I love my HD2, so many possibilities! No phone's this fun and customisable!

zephr5 said:
Well the devs here are awesome first off they will pull it off im sure (flashing to NAND) but why would you want just android? i understand wanting to use the sd card as a sd card or even speed but just having android seems like well you should get an android phone. i personally like having the choice winmo does some things very well android does others very well. I enjoy switching at will i would LOVE NAND but i would also like to run both when i want. Is that a possibility if it does get flashed to internal memory can winmo still be used some how when i want or will it be one or the other? i wonder?
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See i honestly dont like winmo the only reason i got this phone was cuz i got it for an even trade with my mytouch slide on craigs list and this is the only 1ghz snapdragon phone with such a nice screen on tmo besides the nexus one which is ridiculously hard to get over here by me
Elemental_Fire said:
Hmmmmm HD2 has only got 512mb Rom
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Actually from what I read there are two versions to the HD2. I know i have the 1024mb rom version tho

My two cents

I’ve been on XDA for over a year now and have enjoyed watching new ideas, applications, themes, kernels, and ROM’s come to this site with a lot of hard work from all the Dev’s out there. For that I say thank you.
Over the last week or so I found myself reading about two Devs (no names mentioned) that apparently have been banned. From what I’ve read they were banned over donations not going to the people that actually worked on the projects. I’ve tested a lot of ROM’s from these pages and I’ve donated to several Dev’s on XDA. As someone who DOES donate for the incredible amount of time and skill that these people or groups expend on these projects, I’d like to ask how the donations are distributed to the “right” people. Do groups of people (maybe Team Nocturnal as an example) get together and decide how the funds are distributed or is this something that has a scale next to it (ie. The person that designs the lock screen gets this percentage and the person that designs the display properties gets that percentage). Is it trusted to one person that can then distribute to whoever they want at whatever rate they want?
I’ve learned a great amount on this and other sites that these devs work on and (having been in the computer field for over 25 years) would like to be sure that my donations go to the folks that actually did the work. Are you all doing this through the honor system?
The idea behind have an open source OS is great for the end user and sucks for the corporations simply because anyone can try and make the OS better as opposed to a single company pulling all the strings. The only problem with this is that it instinctively creates an opportunity for people to take credit for things they haven’t done.
The other issue that I’m beginning to see is a division of this site. Some feel that these two devs didn’t do anything wrong and will halt all there work because one of them has asked them too. The other side has the attitude that XDA must govern, and punish a dev for stealing someone’s work and only adding some superficial offerings to it.
So where is this going? Can these people, that are so on their game with Android (Linux), understand that it’s better to WORK WITH SOMEONE than to be out on their own? I hope that dev’s can understand that their artists…that they should be able to accept donations, and WANT to continue working hard…and that devs also continue to be courteous, and humble when other groups pour in their own time to help that project come to life. The honor system is the better way…I hope it’s not destroyed by a few dev’s that feel like cutting in front of the line because they know they can get away with it.
My hat to the administrators. I will continue to watch the stories, ask questions, and hopefully someday, add to what you design folks are pumping out.
My two cents…

If your talking about one of the devs I think you are. He did several things wrong, first being stealing donations, secondly backpedaling on a promise; thirdly not being a man and owning up to his faults and lastly openly stealing roms and passing them of as his own work. Instead this dev went into hiding and has not responded to anyone.. But however he has made at least 1 new account on here to try and soil others.
As for the people that think he's has done nothing wrong despite all the facts being laid out in front of them; I dont know what to say for them. How can anyone follow or respect someone that did what he did? Again I have no idea. I guess that just show what kind of person they are. The people you associate yourself with shows a lot about the type of person you are and your character
As for the gossip and the truth. Yes there are always 3 sides to every story. What one person says, what the other person says and then the truth. Once again if we are talking about the same person then the whole story is out there (check my sig). Since the other person will not come out of hiding and tell his side (which he doesn't have to, as everything is there and unaltered) then that just shows its the truth. If I was accused of those things and they weren't true, I sure would try to clear my name. And if they were true I still would try to make amends.
If we are not talking about that person; disregard this.
Now back to you regularly scheduled programming...
Sent from my RamenizedEvo on Cricket.

Damn!! How many people is Jaredthefake going to get to try to clear his name??....hahahahha
You know if he spend half the time he does making fake accounts (2012oasis) and trolling our threads on actually apologizing for what he has done and making things right THEN we wouldn't have threads like this.....JUST my two cents!..hahahha
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Wow. I was off xda for about 40hrs, and obviously missed something. But if it's about JTG, probably old news.
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scottspa74 said:
Wow. I was off xda for about 40hrs, and obviously missed something. But if it's about JTG, probably old news.
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It is...hahahhahaha

Einstein's_Mind said:
^^^^^
Exactly the drama we all have to listen to...smh
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Then don't read the thread....smh
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Einstein's_Mind said:
You guys seem like the biggest fan boys of him....obsessed much?? Geez if you guys put half as much effort into ROM issues as you do obsessing about the past and about ONE individual then maybe all of your roms wouldn't be status 7 error (easy fix) but I'm done with you guys I don't even like this jtg guy but what a bunch of babies..
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Hahaha. Turn tail and run. Just like him. We are working on out from updates. We have what are called lives and jobs. Yea those things get in the way.
Well anybody on a team with some one will stick up for them.
Not obsessing about the past. This individual asked or at least posted wanton more info. How is filling some one in obsessing. Actually since my thread warning people about him and his slime ball ways, I have let the issue go.
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Okay.. This entire thread is nothing but drama from OP to end.
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[GUIDE] How to Flash a Rom and Survive

You are bored stiff waiting for Samsung to release the official Rom. You just can't stand it any longer, and are determined to give one of the custom Rom builds a try. Fine.
I'm writing this to help you to survive this dangerous journey.
Decision Making Time
First off, you have to decide what do you want your future Rom to have. You can choose between two general types of Roms.
Touchwiz based Roms
They are very close to what you have got when you bought your Note. All the Samsung addons are there, including S-Memo, Clock Package etc.
AOSP/AOKP/CM based Roms
All the Sumsung apps are chucked out of here. Sumsung stuff is generally replaced by the similar apps from the Market.
Now, let us say you have reached your decesion about the general type of Rom. What to do next?
Pre-Flashing and Flashing Time
What to do
1. Make rounds through the Development forum, and read what each Rom from your broad choice has to offer. It's the same thing as when buying shoes; you don't purchase the first pair you come across, now do you?
In other words, try to make an informed decision about which particular Rom you want to have.
2. You have chosen, and are eager to download and flash. Hold your horses, though. Do the following:
a) read about the prerequisites. They are typically listed in the 1st post of the thread (OP). Here you will learn what conditions your present situation needs to fulfill prior to flashing.
Sometimes things have to be flashed/implemented before the final flash. Find out about it and do it.
b) read the installation instructions (OP)
c) read the bugs list, just to be sure. Perhaps some features that you desperately need are not yet functional. If that is the case, move to another Rom.
d) read the last 5-10 thread pages. There's always a chance that something new has happened and the Dev didn't yet have the time to update the OP (some bug has been fixed, a new one discovered)
e) download everything you need
f) repeat b)
g) repeat b) once more, just in case
h) flash, following the installation instructions to the letter. The Dev has spent countless hours perfecting your future Rom, and tested, tested, tested every possible scenario. When he says that things have to be done in a certain way, he is always right.
i) reboot once it's done
j) all has gone well, pour yourself a drink
What to do to make sure your flash fails miserably
a) don't read the instructions
b) read the instructions, but cut corners: "WTF, this step is unnecessary, I'll just skip it!"
c) read the instructions, but decide that you know better, and invent a set of your own: "What does he know anyway, I know it can be done my way."
d) don't read the bug list; this is a sure-fire way to become a proud owner of a brand new, functional and fully-rooted Rom that doesn't meet your needs: "Where dafuq is (whatever) feature?"
When you do a), b) or c) get on your merry way to Q & A forum to start your very own
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"plzzzzzzzzz häääälp?!?1!?" thread. Enjoy yourself.
When you do d), off you go to flash another Rom.
SO.DON'T.DO.IT!
Post-Flashing Time (Thread, Here I Come!)
Your flash went well, there's no hiccups, you are rooted and happily playing with your shiny new toy. Excellent.
However, you'll soon want to voice your excited opinions and questions in the Rom thread. Be careful, be very careful; thread jungle is teaming with natives of all kinds. Majority of residents are creatures foraging for information - these are harmless. But - there's always a but - some serious carnivores are also there, make sure not to provoke them, or it'll be your life on the line.
Of course, there's the Dev, but his is a God-like presence and therefore not to be feared; he is a mysterious, aloof creature who doesn't interact much with the Thread Natives, for two principal reasons: 1. too busy developing, and 2. rightfully cannot be bothered to answer the same questions asked time and again. Thread Elders (or Veterans or Mums - those who know their way around and guide and help the foragers) are there to take care of that for him.
What to do
First and foremost, be kind and polite. You badly need Rom-managing information from people who have been running it for ages, and know your Rom inside and out. You'll get nothing if you are demanding or rude.
Before asking a question try to see if it's already been answered.
Do a thread search.
It only takes a minute, and you'll be surprised how much information you'll gather that way. Lots and lots of questions have been asked hundreds of times before. Don't expose yourself to ridicule (or worse) if you ask it for a 101st time.
Before reporting a bug, see if it is already listed in the bug list. Predators get very excited when you do such a report, and ugly things can happen.
Don't ask for ETA. It's pure bad manners. Always remember that the Dev is doing his magic in his own free time and at zero costs to you. Respect that; your update will come when it comes.
Try not to provoke people by asking for things that are NOT supported by the Rom. That just shows that you never bothered to read the basic information in the OP.
Try to learn as much as possible so you can start helping other people. XDA lives by that code.
What to do to get yourself killed or worse
1. When on AOSP Rom ask for TouchWiz (TW) features, and vice-versa. They'll eat you alive.
2. As mentioned above, ask for ETA. Lynching party guaranteed.
3. Demand stuff. "I want (whatever), and I want it now!1!" This is a capital offence. The nearest thread elder will start to take you apart immediately.
4. State "This Rom is ****e! Nothing here works!" The worst offence imaginable. The Inquisition is sure to arrive in numbers, and your life is forfeit.
5. Say "My previous Rom is much better than this one." See 4.
6. Start posting the same question in multiple threads. Someone on the prowl is bound to spot it, and you're dead.
7. Post a question in your thread, and re-post it 5 minutes later when no-one responds. You'll get a sound thrashing six-of-the-best style.
8. Never do thread searches, just ask what's bugging you ATM. See 7.
9. Visit the ICS thread of your choice and post: "I wanna flash this. Now, how do I root my GB first to get here?" They'll set rabid dogs on you.
10. Post stuff that will confuse the noobs. Like this: "The Dev says we are to install the Rom like this. But I have found an alternative way..." See 7.
11. Ask in and X-Rom thread: "What is better, X or Y Rom?" You'll get trampled to within an inch of your life.
12. Ask for the info that is posted in the Dev's OP: "How do I flash this...?", or "Does this Rom have (insert feature)...?" This carries a serious risk of you getting drawn and quartered on the spot.
13. Report a bug that is listed in the Dev's OP. See 12.
14. Quote a post with tons of pictures, so everybody has to scroll half a mile down to see what you have to say, then proclaim: "I love it!!1!" or "+1!" See 7.
15. Provide incorrect information with great confidence: "Can you use an ICS kernel on JB? Sure, bro, no problems!" Severity of punishment might vary according to the degree of damage done.
16. Lurk in the thread until the Dev announces that the new v13b is up. Wait 2 more minutes, then post: "What's the battery life like in v13b, guys...?" Electrocution ensues.
17. Post "Why my USB not work...?", but fail to tell them which version and kernel you are running, and what have you tried to do to resolve the issue. They'll just move along past you, ignoring you completely.
You get my drift.
Happy flashing and forum participation.

Assuming you and the guy linked below are related or great minds think alike.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1640510

Everything is covered in this thread, however I will re-state the "SEARCH" option.
Do it.
Do it again with a different phrase.
Do it a third time with another phrase. FIGURE IT OUT, BECAUSE 9 out of 10 TIMES IT HAS BEEN ANSWERED ALREADY.
Otherwise you will suffer the repercussions. You have been warned.

This thread should be stickied in every section of the Note Forum!
Nicely done and exceptionally written my friend

My addition...
to the What to do to get yourself killed or worse`....
Example: Do not post in the Stunner thread......what is better CM9 or Stunner? Or gloating about what CM9 does or doesn't do..... in a Stunner thread. Want info on another build...check out the respective thread for it. They are there for a reason.
MY biggie is...(in favor of both the noobs and veterans)
Let's not have everyone post their steps to flashing a rom. It is posted in the OP..for a reason. If you are unclear...we make ONE explanation. Not ten...ten leads to confused noobs and pissed off veterans...repetitive questions abound. I also say this because I have seen plenty of people posting WRONG methods to flash and they have partial root and are stuck. Not to mention, those searching have now uncovered the WRONG method and they become stuck, more questions.
...may come up with more later!

Thanks T, will be adding to the OP, but a little later (watching snooker now).
Anyway, this is a work in progress, everyone feel free to comment.

Awesome! Great work Chas
9. Don't ask how to root. There's already a thread about this in the Dev section.
10. Read, read and read some more before you ask about something.

Seems like a lot of hard work Chas!! Well I guess now we will see couple of less (Confused)goats wandering in the wilderness!! And lesser getting sacrificed on the alter!!
A must sticky!!
Cheers!!

No, this won't help. Noobs are noobs for a reason. They can't read and it's their first time on the interwebs.
Sadly they won't even notice this thread
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LordManhattan said:
No, this won't help. Noobs are noobs for a reason. They can't read and it's their first time on the interwebs.
Sadly they won't even notice this thread
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Buzz killer

Nice thread ,helpful to many noobs
And it gave me some good laughing
Very nice Chas keep it up +1

A very good thread, i hope every note user, new or non-new should read this.
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I know i know Sorry!
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very useful~~~ thanks a lot.

Thanks chas !
Perfectly explained !
PM sent to @original_ganjaman , requesting [if possible] , to an "sticky promote"

OP updated as suggested and some new stuff added.

Golden !!!
chasmodo said:
OP updated as suggested and some new stuff added.
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This one is Golden. A gem.
This goes sticky in the forums and in my signature Thanks friend for it !!
e.g.1
One question - I am running a AOSP or KP (whatever) rom and i cant have S Memo in it and my SPen doesn't capture the screenshot when i press the button and hold.
Man i read through all the threads and couldn't find an answer! Phew 850 odd pages man...........
Make this in BOLD. No matter how much long the post is...READ if fully....every single word. Reading first two lines and then claiming that yeah i have read but couldn't find any info is like calling upon the lightening strike on yourself.
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In Q&A one person got his note bricked because he directly flashed the CM9 from stunner. If alteast the person have the eyes to read the RED line written (to flash CM9 from GB) which needs to be followed and not crossed he would have not been staring at his shiny new paperweight !!
Utterly offtopic - just made you the auspicious number 1100

This thread should be projected on the moon!

"4. State "This Rom is ****e! Nothing here works!" The worst offence imaginable. The Inquisition is sure to arrive in numbers, and your life is forfeit."
Some ROMs are total sh*t.

almostinsane said:
"4. State "This Rom is ****e! Nothing here works!" The worst offence imaginable. The Inquisition is sure to arrive in numbers, and your life is forfeit."
Some ROMs are total sh*t.
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So? Flash another and move along, no need to despise..

Community

The following extracts should suffice for the behavior I have been seeing lately in the threads:
Please be friendly: Showing courtesy and respect to others is a vital part of the Android culture, and we expect everyone participating in the Android community to join us in accepting nothing less. Being courteous does not mean we can't constructively disagree with each other, but it does mean that we must be polite when we do so. There's never a reason to be antagonistic or dismissive toward anyone; if you think there is, think again before you post. Mobile development is serious business, but it's also a lot of fun. Let's keep it that way. Let's strive to be one of the friendliest communities in all of open source.
The most important rule is friendliness. Remember: disrespect and rudeness are not welcome in our community under any circumstances.
http://source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html
2. Member conduct.
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
2.5 Courtesy towards other Members: Treat new members the way you would like to have been treated when you were a new member. When dealing with any member, provide them with guidance, advice and instruction when you can and always with respect and courtesy. Never post in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful or self-righteous manner.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
It may be hard at first. Please help those who lack the education by correcting their erroneous ways.
Nuff said.
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Teichopsia said:
Feel free to bump the ©[email protected]¶ out of this.
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Teichopsia you little good for nothing.... lol I kid.
I try to be polite and helpful as possible,but seeing the same attitude to ignore the rules of searching slowly changes people.
This is just my experience. When I first joined xda,I was fascinated with this large community and all the knowledge and information floating around. I always viewed xda as a place where one should pro actively search and learn,then contribute.
But after a while you see that this is not the case and the same question gets asked over and over. Or you have people state"I don't have time to read 100pages". I can't comprehend that. If your going to modify your phone I would read all I could BEFORE attempting it. I read and learned a whole month before rooting. Once I decided I've given stock its run I was beyond prepared when I rooted.
At first I was eager to help, but slowly I've been less so. Its sad really but I've skipped through many threads where I knew I could help but because I saw no effort in the poster I ignored it. To an extent I get the attitude of those that have been here towards the new people but I rather just go on with my day

You would have laughed if you could have seen my face when I read your first line.
I know what you mean. This is my first smartphone and all the research I put into it just to make sure I would get a good phone and that It would work in the country where I live. I skipped the whole blackberry mania (oddly, I dislike anything the masses go for - probably a good thing) and perhaps I'll even take a pic of my last phone (perhaps that way you guys can forgive half of my noobishness )
I too was eager to help at first and still am if I can. I have lost my patience a few times reading certain questions that don't merit being accepted by the submit button. While going through this phase I luckily came across a few posts which reminded me of what is was like being a new member (despite the fact that I spent the first month or so reading before my first post).
However, whatever the reasons are do not excuse the answers I have been reading lately from some members. It is as the more they/we complain about the "noobish questions" the angrier they/we get. Thus, resulting in posts that can get quite offensive.
Granted, they should read the op, etc. And all that, but seriously, who are we/you (not you marsdta) to be so arrogant?
We all come from different backgrounds, differences in all manners, including intellectually, but what is happening to common courtesy? Respect? If we don't put a stop to it now, it's going to get out of control.
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Teichopsia said:
However, whatever the reasons are do not excuse the answers I have been reading lately from some members. It is as the more they/we complain about the "noobish questions" the angrier they/we get. Thus, resulting in posts that can get quite offensive.
Granted, they should read the op, etc. And all that, but seriously, who are we/you (not you marsdta) to be so arrogant?
We all come from different backgrounds, differences in all manners, including intellectually, but what is happening to common courtesy? Respect? If we don't put a stop to it now, it's going to get out of control.
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I can be arrogant at times I admit that. Sadly some of the negative comments don't bother me. Hear me out first. Xda has in a sense become an aspect of me. When I wake up its one of the first things I check. That's another issue entirely. But I do view xda as a community that I have personal investment. So when I see those questions I feel somewhat personally insulted. Like if the poster basically said screw you. Kind of weird.
I think some of those that been here a while might feel the same. So the frustration build and erupts in the threads. I've written a few nasty replies but have caught myself and hit delete before posting.
Common courtesy is not really common on the internet because of that wall of being anonymous. Add in the fact that we all do come from different places things get interesting. personally I would be more tough on the rule breakers while others may be more lenient. In the end the evolution of communication is quite interesting as the internet allows people to be filter less

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I can be arrogant at times I admit that. Sadly some of the negative comments don't bother me. Hear me out first. Xda has in a sense become an aspect of me. When I wake up its one of the first things I check. That's another issue entirely. But I do view xda as a community that I have personal investment. So when I see those questions I feel somewhat personally insulted. Like if the poster basically said screw you. Kind of weird.
I think some of those that been here a while might feel the same. So the frustration build and erupts in the threads. I've written a few nasty replies but have caught myself and hit delete before posting.
Common courtesy is not really common on the internet because of that wall of being anonymous. Add in the fact that we all do come from different places things get interesting. personally I would be more tough on the rule breakers while others may be more lenient. In the end the evolution of communication is quite interesting as the internet allows people to be filter less
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Nontheless if you have or haven't been, at least you are able to restrain yourself. I too have been somewhat rude at times.
We could go back and forth argumenting this and that. Which is fun. We both would have valid points (between us, you would probably win the argument ), the bottom line is, not only are there rules to search before posting, there are also rules to respect one another. If one person breaks the rule of not searching, would that give the right to the other member to break the rule of respecting? Sure, we all have our bad days. Yes, we can loose our patience, **** happens. What I can't condone is page after page of 'bashing'. That's just me.
After reconsidering what I was about to become (I'll probably loose my patience again - it's normal), and taking into consideration the little I know about xda, I would have thought this place is about helping others learn. Even if that means to hold their hands for a while until they learn, or just say screw it if they are the type that wants to be spoon fed everything.
All I'm saying is, if someone can't be nice then to do what you do, hit that delete button and ignore them.
On a side note this is my previous cell which was a gift from a friend who got tired of seeing my 'old phone' with a rubber band around it. - hopefully after seeing this you guys will be a bit patient with any future questions I may have.
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"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
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REVIVE A DEAD THREAD!
Lol jk.
I agree with you 110% I always try and be helpful when I answer the new guys cause I know how they feel. My DHD is my first Android phone and I learnt so much from it. I spent two days straight reading and watchng YouTube videos before I had the guts to root and join xda so it can be pretty terrifying when something doesnt work the way you want it to. So yeah bein friendly and helpful can go a long way, especially when you're new and don't know too much about android/rooting/your device
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Excellent thread guys. To me it's so simple. If a post is not worthy in your mind, don't respond to it. Someone else might help out. Or perhaps the person asking the question will get frustrated waiting for a response and search it out. There is just never a reason, in my mind, to respond in a nasty way.
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rooted, getting rid of that weird icon

How do we get rid of that weird icon after rooting? The one that looks like a tornado/wind/hurricane... LOL

Is it hard to search?

I've been trying to figure that out too!

What icon is that? Lol are you talking about the NFC "N" icon?
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He's talking about this:
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"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
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It's the RCS icon.
It's been mentioned over 100 times. Now that he knows what to look for, I'll leave it to him to search.
Who knows, perhaps someone has a link for it in his signature?

I love how the search police always come out in force. For goodness sakes, just give the guy a link or move on. For me the only thing more irksome than someone not searching for himself is someone else telling him to search harder, better, more. I've been lurking here for years, contributing when I can. In those years, it seems XDA forums have become a way less friendly place. Just my 2 cents.

dave812 said:
I love how the search police always come out in force. For goodness sakes, just give the guy a link or move on. For me the only thing more irksome than someone not searching for himself is someone else telling him to search harder, better, more. I've been lurking here for years, contributing when I can. In those years, it seems XDA forums have become a way less friendly place. Just my 2 cents.
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Well it gets annoying especially when that is asked in the same topic of how to root.

It's threads like this one that annoys me:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-s7-edge/help/best-twrp-root-t3491778
Yet I believe that I handled it pretty well.
Regarding "search policing", it becomes counterproductive to feed the members that don't want to search or read for themselves because those same members will continue to want to be fed information instead of finding it for themselves. They'll post a thread and wait days for the answer instead of spending 10 minutes to find it themselves. They half-ass it and next thing you know they get pissed off because they didn't know that flashing something would wipe their internalsd or they get stuck in download mode or they get stuck with a strange icon (like in this thread) that they desperately want to be rid of. A 10 minute search and 5 minute of reading would have saved time of almost a dozen members replying to this very thread. The OP would have his/her answer and additional knowledge/experience (funny how those go hand in hand) that he/she could not acquire by being given the instructions.
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In fact, next time perhaps I'll just quote an entire OP for the next person to inquire. It'll be much faster for them than giving them a link to click on. That might make it easier, then they will be missing out on the comments, replies, feedback, etc that the community has already given. That will also make it better for the OP to get his/her answers. Plus it clutters up the forum which is also a neat thing to do.
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Bottom line, XDA is a forum of convenience for it's members! They've built a search feature where it helps (not perfect but it IS helpful), threads are stickied, added polls, images, additional links, attachments, you can subscribe to threads, you can vote on their usefulness, etc.
Yet we continue to get posts like:
xxx said:
Hello guys,
my tmo S7 Edge today is at home.
Which is today the best and newer way to Root and Twrp this bad boy ?
Link if you have
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So naturally it's going to get people peeved. People like me that has spent thousands of hours here in the forum helping people, people like the forum administrators and moderators that sacrifice their personal lives by keeping this forum "newb friendly" and operational, people like developers that risk damaging their own devices for the sake of XDA's members then spend an hour making a thread with as simple as possible instructions (often with pictures for those that need them) just for a lazy member to post a new thread asking for all of it to be given to them.
So naturally, it pisses some people off.
See my point?
I'm not defending or condoning being rude towards the members but I honestly do feel that pushing them to do some work for themselves should be expected because otherwise they become a burden and can end up causing more harm than good towards the community (moral wise) and even to themselves due to the lack of knowledge (and experience) which can and often does result in damaged/bricked devices. If I'm not mistaken XDA is a forum where we try to prevent that, not encourage it. So my warped way of thinking is that if we "give" them the method to do something instead of "teaching" them it'll be like a students going to school without tools to learn. 100% lecture. No books, guides, visual aids, etc. Crap... in that case, we might as well have our teachers take the students tests for them too! After all we need them to accomplish their goals, right?
But if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I'll just set up a PO box and have members send me their phones and I'll do everything for them (for a fee of course) so it'll make it easier for them. But that would probably catch on unfortunately.

Well, to be honest. The best thing to do when someone asks a question like this is to say what the icon is called, that way they can actually search. Instead of trying to be over complicated with things. Cheers
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lunerceli said:
Well, to be honest. The best thing to do when someone asks a question like this is to say what the icon is called, that way they can actually search. Instead of trying to be over complicated with things. Cheers
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Just like I did in post #5?

I'm shocked..SHOCKED! that in the 8 years I've been on XDA that people haven't started using the search function! *sarcasm*
Just give them the answer and kill their thread. It's not like we're charged by the stupid thread or the stupid 50 posts following scolding the person or the mod that comes in annoyed.

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Just like I did in post #5?
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Exactly. I know not everyone has the patience to try to help others properly here on xda. Been here way too long to not understand that. Lol.
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I'm shocked..SHOCKED! that in the 8 years I've been on XDA that people haven't started using the search function! *sarcasm*
Just give them the answer and kill their thread. It's not like we're charged by the stupid thread or the stupid 50 posts following scolding the person or the mod that comes in annoyed.
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Rule 1 is to search before posting. Why is that do you think?
Failing to do so creates clutter and chaos the forum. That makes it HARDER to search because for those that DO use it end up getting a dozen threads created by members not wanting to search or read instead of getting what they were looking for.

Binary100100 said:
Rule 1 is to search before posting. Why is that do you think?
Failing to do so creates clutter and chaos the forum. That makes it HARDER to search because for those that DO use it end up getting a dozen threads created by members not wanting to search or read instead of getting what they were looking for.
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And what do the five pages of everyone making sure they get in to scold the person do for clutter?

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And what do the five pages of everyone making sure they get in to scold the person do for clutter?
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How would that happen if they were to search to begin with? They wouldn't post the unnecessary threads thus there would be less clutter and a happier community. Right?
Ah. The perfect world. But it'll never happen. Neither will stopping those that get annoyed at those that keep it from being so.

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How would that happen if they were to search to begin with? They wouldn't post the unnecessary threads thus there would be less clutter and a happier community. Right?
Ah. The perfect world. But it'll never happen. Neither will stopping those that get annoyed at those that keep it from being so.
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Lesson learned is let's all use search and let's all not make a big deal about helping noobs and annoying people. You're right. In a perfect world...

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Lesson learned is let's all use search and let's all not make a big deal about helping noobs and annoying people. You're right. In a perfect world...
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Exactly. But then there will be posts like this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69420786&postcount=1288
This person found the thread then posted in it asking if it would be possible to root.
Those kind of posts puzzle me because we can't give them the link to the thread (because they are already there.) You really don't even know if they have the phone to begin with, do they understand English? Perhaps the guide is too complicated for them? Are they asking for someone to do it for them? You just don't know until you probe further. But how to do that without sounding rude? How to keep everyone else from being rude to that person so desperately pleading for guidance (that was already posted in the very first post) on something as simple as rooting?
My perspective is this: I have no technical degree. None. I have experience. Experience from reading, searching and doing. Experience from making mistakes, learning from them and helping others if/when I can. I'm not a genius... but I'm not mentally incapable either. There are members that dive right in and exploit root and develop and ask for nothing in return accept perhaps the occasional expression of appreciation for the hundreds and in some cases thousands of hours dedicated for all of the members that only take them for granted. Then there are members that just want everything read to them, done for them, given to them. The forum is designed for them, not me, not the developers that are technologically proficient. The forum is designed to be newb friendly. We can post pictures, attachments, Youtube videos, links, etc. It has a search feature and it even has a nice feature that brings up possible threads to read when they start to post a new one to prevent duplicate threads from occurring (which is supposed to keep other members from feeling the need to flame the newbs.) Yet... these members STILL pop up. We still get duplicate threads, repeated questions, angry and impatient members ready to "newb-pounce." Then they become the "bad buy" and the newb becomes the innocent victim.
How the hell has it gotten to this? Simple. Laziness. People don't want to research. They want the quick and easy path. They want their questions answered A.S.A.P. without anyone getting pissy at them so they can go on with their lives with the profit that they feel entitled to while the rest of us pound on our desks, beat our keyboards, pull our hair out and (my personal favorite) "the bird" to the monitor with a click on the close button to keep myself from saying something "mean." But it's people like me (that won't spoonfeed the lazy) that are the "forum bullies."
Are we (the entire community as a whole) really expected to just respond politely with the answer to everyone's question without any sarcasm or rudeness? For all of those lazy people that just want to be spoonfed that will inevitably brick or cause damage to something because they skipped a step because they were too lazy or impatient? Those same people will only post another "HELP ME!" thread because they didn't take the time to do something right the first time.
I guess my messed up way of thinking is that tough love is spurring those members to do what they should be doing in the first place. Reading!
I suppose that's just my old fashioned mindset though.

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Exactly. But then there will be posts like this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69420786&postcount=1288
This person found the thread then posted in it asking if it would be possible to root.
Those kind of posts puzzle me because we can't give them the link to the thread (because they are already there.) You really don't even know if they have the phone to begin with, do they understand English? Perhaps the guide is too complicated for them? Are they asking for someone to do it for them? You just don't know until you probe further. But how to do that without sounding rude? How to keep everyone else from being rude to that person so desperately pleading for guidance (that was already posted in the very first post) on something as simple as rooting?
My perspective is this: I have no technical degree. None. I have experience. Experience from reading, searching and doing. Experience from making mistakes, learning from them and helping others if/when I can. I'm not a genius... but I'm not mentally incapable either. There are members that dive right in and exploit root and develop and ask for nothing in return accept perhaps the occasional expression of appreciation for the hundreds and in some cases thousands of hours dedicated for all of the members that only take them for granted. Then there are members that just want everything read to them, done for them, given to them. The forum is designed for them, not me, not the developers that are technologically proficient. The forum is designed to be newb friendly. We can post pictures, attachments, Youtube videos, links, etc. It has a search feature and it even has a nice feature that brings up possible threads to read when they start to post a new one to prevent duplicate threads from occurring (which is supposed to keep other members from feeling the need to flame the newbs.) Yet... these members STILL pop up. We still get duplicate threads, repeated questions, angry and impatient members ready to "newb-pounce." Then they become the "bad buy" and the newb becomes the innocent victim.
How the hell has it gotten to this? Simple. Laziness. People don't want to research. They want the quick and easy path. They want their questions answered A.S.A.P. without anyone getting pissy at them so they can go on with their lives with the profit that they feel entitled to while the rest of us pound on our desks, beat our keyboards, pull our hair out and (my personal favorite) "the bird" to the monitor with a click on the close button to keep myself from saying something "mean." But it's people like me (that won't spoonfeed the lazy) that are the "forum bullies."
Are we (the entire community as a whole) really expected to just respond politely with the answer to everyone's question without any sarcasm or rudeness? For all of those lazy people that just want to be spoonfed that will inevitably brick or cause damage to something because they skipped a step because they were too lazy or impatient? Those same people will only post another "HELP ME!" thread because they didn't take the time to do something right the first time.
I guess my messed up way of thinking is that tough love is spurring those members to do what they should be doing in the first place. Reading!
I suppose that's just my old fashioned mindset though.
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Ideally I think the best answer might be to use the report button and explain in the comments that the mod might need to directly contact the poster and help with etiquette and answers. Then they can set consequences if the person is reported again for the same issue.

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Ideally I think the best answer might be to use the report button and explain in the comments that the mod might need to directly contact the poster and help with etiquette and answers. Then they can set consequences if the person is reported again for the same issue.
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LOL!
As a former moderator I can tell you that this would not work. Sorry.
They receive a notification banner on the top of the screen that you can respond to.
They do not like those kind of reports because that requires giving direct attention to the person that posted the thread.
That person in turn requests assistance from the moderator therefor making the moderator the feeder. So not only does the moderator have to spoonfeed but he also has to get to the other 20+ reported posts that are waiting as well. That's why they kinda turn a blind eye towards the kind of behavior regarding duplicate threads and the members that are so against them. The most they might do is reply in the thread with something like, "Search and read" then close the thread. If the same member posts another thread again, he'll just issue an infraction. Infractions doesn't really mean anything having ten (expired) points myself thanks to another former forum moderator. I've dealt with members that were in the hundreds! A member doesn't take it seriously after a while. Even when they (trolls included) get banned they simply open another account.
There's no easy way to deal with the issue unfortunately. I can assure you that XDA admins and moderators have tried for YEARS with various methods to reduce the problem but will even admit that it will never go away. The most that we can do is shrug, ignore that member (the actual ignore feature built into the forum which I have several people on currently) and move on. Hopefully, they get the message but they will never go without having someone being rude to them.
Seriously, people need to grow up! Stop whining about their hurt feelings. Sorry, but if you can own a phone and use a computer then I would suspect that you have had enough interaction with the real world to know that not everybody wears My Little Pony t-shirts and sings Barney songs! People are selfish, lazy, rude, inconsiderate, ignorant and arrogant but they are also helpful, selfless, smart, and patient. In a world of anonymity where anyone can have any kind of persona they wish you cannot possibly expect them all to be polite. Even if there are rules to require them to do so. It's just not going to happen.

I just give a slow clap. TBH it is easier for someone to post asking about something they know nothing about, like this thread, asking what it is. Then they can search. As a former developer, this makes things easier for the person posting. Not everyone know what everything is and if they don't know what something is then they cannot search for something they don't know about. Even inputting something things into Google won't provide the answer you are looking for. Lol. Another slow clap. Lol
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