anyone has tried yet usb host functionality ? I found the drivers of ETEN M600/G500 but not tried yet... processor should be the same so the trinity should support this function.
Thank you for your enquiry, the p3600 was not designed to allow usb memory expansion as such there is no current or planned method to enable what you have requested.
It may be possible to find a 3rd party solution but this would not be supported by ourselves but the solution supplier.
Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Best regards,
HTC Support
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I found the drivers of ETEN M600/G500 but not tried yet...
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Could you share either a link or the file?
Should be this
OK, I'm with Hermes, but anyway... According to the specs, E-Tens have S3C2440 while we have SC32442, but they should be the same. The schematics of the evaluation board (p.6) shows that there are two USB hosts: one from DN0/DP0 pins, the second from DN1/DP1 pins. The latter can also be configured as USB Device... and that's what we have at our MiniUSB connector.
So... if E-Ten uses the first USB Host pins, we're out of luck. If they've implemented it in shared mode, the driver should work. But I have a reason for a doubt: M600/M500 have separate I/O pins for USB host and device, while the connector itself is provided on the cradle. If they made it shared, it would be more easy to implement host/device sharing in the cradle rather than in the device...
A soldering iron may help, but I don't want to loose the warranty yet.
An owner of the Platform Builder may recompile the driver to utilize the shared pins as well. That's a better solution.
If you want to make an adapter for tests, note, that you need to supply +5V from an external power supply (which can be a PC USB port), and that you don't need to cross the pins: DN1 is D- for both host and device, and DP1 is D+ for both. Nothing but connectors and wires should be required.
One more note: a USB Host driver for a shared connector should shut down USB Device driver, something similar that WM5torage does. This also makes me doubt that E-Ten uses shared pins, and that's why I believe that a different driver is required.
But it should be possible!
OK, I've made an adaptor from MiniUSB male (to TyTN), USB A female (for devices), and MiniUSB female for power supply.
In the MiniUSB male I shorted pins 4 and 5. At least this way I can use it for charging from other power supplies, and I think it hould not harm, because pin 4 on GND means USB Host for MiniUSB.
I've installed the above drivers, and also USB Mass Storage drivers (attached).
I have a USB mouse, a card rider (4 slots), an MP3 player, and an RS232 port.
Nothing but MP3 player showed any sign of an activity in all my tests.
The MP3 player shows "MASS CONNECT" on its screen if it detects USB activity. If it does not, it just turns to normal operations, showing that it takes power from USB. It turned to this mode after I installed the attached driver. But I see no a mounted disk on TyTN itself.
So, it works somehow, and I'm almost confident it can be made to work...
Probably I just did something wrong... Who else wants to try?
I must add that installed stuff didn't affect the USB Device from working: ActiveSync connects OK, and WM5torage 1.73 works as before.
Hardwarewise, there are a couple of things to try: disconnect pin 4 from GND at the phone side, disconnect power supply from the phone (providing it only to the attached device), or both...
i'm waiting connectors to try something by myself too. Thanks Lurker0 for all this tips.
thread about usb host from eten users
http://www.eten-users.net/index.php?showtopic=4328&st=0
I ended up with a hard reset Of course I made full backup before the tests.
I've found out that GPRS stopped working. The error messages were like "Modem not found" and "The current call should be finished before data connection" (from memory and ranslated from Russian).
Then I found out that hardware settings for OHCI are wrong:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\OHCI]
"MemBase"=dword:B0900000
"Irq"=dword:0000000B
"UseExistingSettings"=dword:00000000
"MemLen"=dword:00001000
"SysIntr"=dword:00000011
"Order"=dword:00000001
"Index"=dword:00000001
"Dll"="ohci.dll"
"Prefix"="HCD"
"InterfaceType"=dword:00000000
IRQ should be 0x1A (from working registry and also Samsung datasheet), and memory base 0xB5900000.
I've deleted ohci.dll and usbd.dll, then uninstalled that HID driver to no available. I needed a working phone now, and decided to hard reset and restore.
It's strange why IRQ and MemBase were wrong. It may explain why it didn't work. Good I noticed them before tests.
Hey Lurker0
Did you get around to trying it again or was the project abandoned?
Would love to hear how you are going with this if you're still working on it =)
No, I did nothing since that.
HTC Herald compatibility
Does anyone know if the herald can host any USB devices
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Anyone got a wm5/ce5 usb host driver for htc universal (pxa270 intel arm processor)? I'm trying to write one, but if someone could save me the effort, please do? I know it will work, as it does under linux.
USB Host on a universal will be great. Didn't know it works under Linux.
driver for view a universal as a sd writer and reader or a driver for the universal for attach a pendrive to a universal?
drivers for attaching a pendrive.
A USB host driver enables you to hook up USB devices like memory key, keyboard/mouse etc. to the universal. This feature is only available on a few pda models made by toshiba, fujitsu, asus, acer etc.
imesh said:
driver for view a universal as a sd writer and reader or a driver for the universal for attach a pendrive to a universal?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't it have to be supported by the hardware? As far as I know the Universal does not have USB host so getting a driver wouldn't be much help...
apparently it works under linux so the hardware must support it
Good question. I need the host driver and then a driver for mass storage (e.g. pen drive, hard driver, etc), HID (for keyboard mouse), etc. The htc universal has a usb host controller built into the arm processor (pxa270). The problem is that it also has a usb device controller build in which takes precedent for the mini usb out, so you can use activesyn. However, with the right bit of code you can reconfigure port 2 to act as a usb host. The other problem is that port 2 doesn't have any power (but that is easy to fix with an external power source from a usb hub or battery [I use a single AA battery, (giving 5 volts at 0.5-1 amp), that lasts for 2 hours]).
hi any success yet with the usb host function? is it possible or just a hoax?
nothing personal it just seems that some ppl like to make fun about this topic and spread hoax!
u have any evidences that it works under linux?
maybe this link is helping you in creating a driver!
http://www.deje.gmxhome.de/index.html
cheers
Mike
Suspect that you will also need the proper USB host cable that is used on the Sharp Zaurus under LINUX to let the Universal know that you want the USB port to work in host mode, they are about £10 & available from here http://www.figlabs.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/33
I have the Zaurus & Universal so I know the cable fits but I don't have a driver to test.
Mike
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I have the Zaurus & Universal so I know the cable fits but I don't have a driver to test.
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The USB host is used by Linux on HTC phones, but not for the external USB connector
(BT on magician, and gsm_data on some others http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Serial)
Mikew said:
Suspect that you will also need the proper USB host cable that is used on the Sharp Zaurus under LINUX to let the Universal know that you want the USB port to work in host mode, they are about £10 & available from here http://www.figlabs.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/33
I have the Zaurus & Universal so I know the cable fits but I don't have a driver to test.
Mike
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I have one for wm2003, I not if it worked in wm05.
Yuo can try it?
any success yet??
Dont think I would want to try a WM2003 driver on a WM5 device.
Mike
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Dont think I would want to try a WM2003 driver on a WM5 device.
Mike
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You can do one backup before installing it.
I have installed it in my Universal and I have not had problems with wm5, but it has not worked with my standar cable
I've had no success with it either.. I have a cable that has the correct connectors.. originally used for connecting a usb pen drive to my lcd picture frame.. but like I said no luck with this RATOC driver.
Mikew said:
Suspect that you will also need the proper USB host cable that is used on the Sharp Zaurus under LINUX to let the Universal know that you want the USB port to work in host mode, they are about £10 & available from here http://www.figlabs.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/33
I have the Zaurus & Universal so I know the cable fits but I don't have a driver to test.
Mike
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i think that this cable is not enough, what about a 5v power source for the usb pen drive you'd connect?
your universal couldn't supply that, then you need a usb cable that can connect to a power source aswell.
You need to use a powered USB hub if the slave device requires power, there are one or two hubs that run on batteries so you can still be mobile.
You will need a hub if you plan to use more than 1 USB device at the same time.
Mike
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Anyone got a wm5/ce5 usb host driver for htc universal (pxa270 intel arm processor)? I'm trying to write one, but if someone could save me the effort, please do? I know it will work, as it does under linux.
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I didn't know we had it in Linux yet??
In any case, while many devices do use a USB Host or USB Slave chip from a higher level, I believe the Universal talks to its USB as a raw stream device, and therefore can (and does, on occasion) act as a pure Serial communication channel (no discernable protocol beyond 8,n,1) or, therefore, any other type of serial-based channel. Yes, what I am saying is that you could, in fact, hook up a Serial ATA hard disk to an RS232 or USB port directly, so long as the device with the port has low enough level access to the port to absolutely control the data I/O.
The problem you face, however, is that to use the USB port as if the device were the host, you would first need to remove or disable whatever makes it work as the slave. In Windows Mobile that's really not an easy job given the number of different devices and different drivers, some with USB chips, some without... On many devices I can imagine that doing that alone would really bugger up general operation. What happens, for example, to ActiveSync when you suddenly get rid of the port it usually talks to for sync?
Mikew said:
You need to use a powered USB hub if the slave device requires power, there are one or two hubs that run on batteries so you can still be mobile.
You will need a hub if you plan to use more than 1 USB device at the same time.
Mike
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Some USB devices have batteries, or have their own power supply You can also get USB cables with an extra (mains or battery) feed wired to the USB's power lines in parallel.
whatever happened to this thread?
allmycrud have you seen the thread from Zeno with USB host drivers?
there is at least one report of it working on a Universal, but I can't get it working on wm6.1... still have hopes though, as all reports suggest that USB host is possible on a uni... can never get verification from anyone though...
Hey guys!
I've searched and searched for something to allow me to transfer data via a serial cable from my phone to device.
Let me try to explain this.
HTC Wizard
Windows Mobile 6 (Explore 1.1)
I have style tap (palm os emulator)
Software for palm os for a stand alone fuel managment system (msefi.com)
So on my car, I use a serial cable to program and get realtime data.
Now I know they make bluetooth to serial adapters for around 70, but I was wondering if they make a mini usb to serial cable for the Mobile OS.
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks
Chris
Well, you could theoretically get a USB to serial adapter that has a cable. Then cut the USB connector that goes to the PC off the cable and just splice the miniusb plug onto the end. I don't know about device support though I'm going to guess you would have to at least come up with a driver and the device might not support that type of functionality at all anyways.
Since the Wizard doesn't have a USB Host (aka USB OTG) the short answer is no. Even more importantly, the wizard won't power the serial adapter so the device is a dud to begin with.
The odds that the BT to RS232 connector method will work are far greater than the USB method.
Hello,
I use Jungo's WinDriver USB to allow my software to communicate with various digital cameras. It works on every USB host equipped Pocket PC except the X7500, any ideas as to what HTC has done differently with this model? I`ve tested under both the standard WM5 ROM and the 2.19 WM6 ROM with the same results. The driver detects the first attach and detach, but not the subsequent ones. Any ideas would be much appreciated before I FedEx my poor X7500 half way around to world to Jungo..
do you have the 4in1 cable? That has a host mode usb port on it!
No need for funny software. The port on the side (miniusb) is not host, but the one on the 4in1 cable is I beleive.
Kick me anyone if im talking out my bumcrack.
I have the 4 in one cable WinDriver is an SDK that allows user mode software to talk to USB devices without writing full device drivers. In my case, it allows me to develop drivers for Canon and Nikon cameras that Windows CE does not otherwise support.
Please excuse my ignorance here, but does this mean i could plug a external hard drive in and read/write to it?
Thanks in advance
The pilgrim
Yes, I have plugged in USB thumb drives and they are recognized. Power drain is the issue with external USB drives. If you have one with external power input, it should work. I may be testing this shortly. I will repost once I have some deffinitive results.
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Please excuse my ignorance here, but does this mean i could plug a external hard drive in and read/write to it?
Thanks in advance
The pilgrim
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Not all. Some will work, some will experience compatibility issues, and some will have problems due to power consumption. The best way to find out is test it with the host cable attached and see. If the device doesn't initially work try a few things first....try plugging it in to a power source if it's capable of that, try soft reset while device is plugged in, etc. After trying a few different things, let us know the results and what model you have. Maybe post it to the peripheral compatibility thread. Thanks!
I have bought HTC 4 in 1 CABLE and another 4 in 1 usb from poundland and both work perfectly when you connect external pen drives and mouse.
Ok,
If I were to make up an appropriate USB cable.....
1) Could I get my P3600 to talk to a USB control box that controls a light display which is normally driven by a Windows PC?
2) Is there any API facility in the Windows Mobile OS that allows a programmer to send and receive USB data packets or would I have to hit the PocketPC device hardware and bypass the OS?
3) Is any of the above possible?
Thank you very much
using usb it would not be posible
usb comes in 2 types masters and slaves
htc pda's are slaves they cant init comm with usb devices
much like that you cant connect an usb harddisk with an usb webcam
trinity have usb host...
you can see in samsung -
http://www.samsung.com/global/syste...roduct/2007/7/7/324600sc32442x__schamatic.pdf
in page 6 you have usb connection,
in trinity we have usb device, if you want to have usb host you will have to change the wiring inside the trinity.
for this change you will need to replace R75 from 470K to 15K, disconnect R83 and make a short from R76 to gnd with 15K(ohm), disconnect R82 and connect Vbus to 5V
(all the numbers of the resistors are for the Evaluation Board, in the trinity it will be diffrent numbers/connections)!!!!!
this will NOT work with your pc!!!! (need more modifications but can be done)
only host option!!!
you wont able to charge your trinity!!! (need more modifications but can be done)
but you can make switch like in the PDF
and then you will have usb host.
i have done some work on the sc32442 chip and it worked with usb host
(not the trinity).
no because the cpu have something dont mean that it's map'd out in the pcb of the manufacturers
and doing a hardware mod can kill the device and will 100% surely void the warrenty
and when all the hardware changes are then don then he needs to write a usb driver for wm to support the
hardware he want to talk to if non already exist
htc seem to use an external chip to do the usb stuff which is basic
only Athena and flame support it
tbuaron said:
trinity have usb host...
you can see in samsung -
http://www.samsung.com/global/syste...roduct/2007/7/7/324600sc32442x__schamatic.pdf
in page 6 you have usb connection,
in trinity we have usb device, if you want to have usb host you will have to change the wiring inside the trinity.
for this change you will need to replace R75 from 470K to 15K, disconnect R83 and make a short from R76 to gnd with 15K(ohm), disconnect R82 and connect Vbus to 5V
(all the numbers of the resistors are for the Evaluation Board, in the trinity it will be diffrent numbers/connections)!!!!!
this will NOT work with your pc!!!! (need more modifications but can be done)
only host option!!!
you wont able to charge your trinity!!! (need more modifications but can be done)
but you can make switch like in the PDF
and then you will have usb host.
i have done some work on the sc32442 chip and it worked with usb host
(not the trinity).
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uhm ... very nice impact!
are you know the jtag pins? must be the same like your embedded board.
This is not good...
What is the first HTC device to support USB Host?
Is it that big fat thing with a detachable keyboard (can't remember the name )?
Thanks for the replies.
PS One last question....
Does anyone make an SD or miniSD port based USB controller card?
Thanks again
Is it that big fat thing with a detachable keyboard (can't remember the name )? == Athena
and yes
LEO USB Host
0. The start
haha, USB host can work on HTC Leo, but with external 5V (VBUS) supply.
I already able to finish some proof-of-concept and it's working
1. About cable
First of all, about my cable: I made my own cable by hands.
You must have external 5V supply, I used output from PC USB (not mobile, but good for testing)
photo of my cable:
scheme of my cable:
(actually miniUSB have 5pins, but it doesn't matter here)
2. Software
You need USBH driver, otherwise USB Host won't work!
I am developing my own driver, based on EHCI standard.
Driver doesn't available for community yet, because it's BUGGY.
3. Some testing
I was able to connect and use:
1)USB Reader with SD card
2)USB Keyboard
3)USB Mouse
4)USB Stick memory
At the end you can connect any USB device, if you have CE USB drivers for it, of course.
Leo display driver doesn't support mouse cursor, so mouse is working without cursor...
Because Windows CE support only FAT filesystem, NTFS partitions can't be used.
Also HTC's XT9 not very friendly for USB keyboard input.
4. Look
Some videos (haha, the Flame's camera is too bad and I couldn't use Leo's camera, because it's main object in my small cinema )
so, sorry for bad quality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwq8Ia3o0UE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XrCUS_WDaU
5. Status
At this moment the USBH stuffs are not stable. Sometimes device can hang, so you need perform soft reset. Sometimes it can't detect any device. Also you can't switch mode back from Host to Client...
When I make it at least usable, I will release it
-CotullaCode
Fantastic!! You're a genius.
wow! first HSPL, now USB Host! Legend!
nice job, keep it up!
Is there theoretically a limit on the size of the SD card that can be used? Can I order my 64 Gb card already? lol
This is great! Wait... not just great - this is insane!!!
Keep up the good work!
Hahaha epic win. Dude you gave us HSPL, now this... wtf comes next?? TV OUT? FM radio transmitter or RDS?
damn nice!!!
where do you have the knowledge from? where do you work??
are these "creations" hobby - based?
keep up your work, its really fantastic
Well done Cotulla!
unfortunatelly i cannot understand well your suggestions regarding the cable.
In the drawing in fact you show a "miniusb connector" (htc uses a microusb) , a "usb plug" [that seems being a male usb connector] and a sort of "power injector" adapter.
On the contrary in the images (and in the videos) we can see see two "female usb" connectors and a "male usb" connector (i understand that is to get power from the pc. is this correct?).
Can you please clarify/better explain pin connections.
Looking forward to have the chance to test your new driver
i would in fact like to start testing your cable with available ones.
thanks
with the linux sources of the QSD8* driver available it's a good base.
wait until we have linux working on the leo. then you can also make use of all those devices you attach
e.g. you can use mass storage devices with all file systems known to man, any input device.. etc
Hahaha epic win. Dude you gave us HSPL, now this... wtf comes next?? TV OUT? FM radio transmitter or RDS?
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built in coffee-maker?
where do you have the knowledge from? where do you work??
are these "creations" hobby - based?
keep up your work, its really fantastic
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I am still studing Yes, it's my hobby
but I already have big experience with CE hacking/coding (few years...), so it's possible for me do such things...
miniusb connector" (htc uses a microusb)
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this scheme is old. It was designed for Diamond. (Dmd have MiniUSB, not MicroUSB) but my diamond died later (oh, I will remember him in my heart when I got leo I continue to develop USBH...
On the contrary in the images (and in the videos) we can see see two "female usb" connectors and a "male usb" connector (i understand that is to get power from the pc. is this correct?).
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yes. my cable have two female usb connectors and one male usb connector.
I connect USB device (mouse, kbd, reader) to one female and connect HTC MicroUSB -> USB cable to another female connector.
Male connector used as power source from PC.
clear? if not, I can make better scheme....
Also maybe instead of such cable we can use USB self powered Hub.
Woow, you know I have only two words: YOU ROCK !!!
Thumbs up, wish you fix the driver bugs soon and thanks for the great news.
P.S.: Might sound stupid, but do you think there's any chance, that other chipsets like QC MSM7500 have the hidden USB-host function too?
thank you for quick and kind answer.
A clearer full scheme of your cable as is (don't worry of microusb) would be welcome. i would like to understand which wires are connected to which pin and which are eventually unused.
I have tested various "powered" test connections [and also a powered hub) with some old drivers i still have from my old pda's and recently also with Zeno USB Host Drivers v6.0a (2009-02-12) but without any success.
regards
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A clearer full scheme of your cable as is (don't worry of microusb) would be welcome. I would like to understand which wires are connected to which pin and which are eventually unused...
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At the first scheme it looks easy. You just connect the to DATA wires from a female-USB to a microUSB DATA wires and then to get the external power you need to rip up a USB male cable and connect the black and the red wire to the black & the red wire of the USB female. Data wires of the male USB remain unsused. Hope I understood it right.
Hey cotulla were did you find these hidden usb host functionalities? on what dll? is it specific to qsd8xxx devices? i would like to study it, see if i can find it on my acer s200.
thank you farokh, but i'm afraid some piece of info is still missing:
a) are the data wires in the picture "straight" (standard microusb data pin to standard female usb data pin) or eventually crossed
b) what about power wires between microusb and the female usb? have they to be connected or not.
Since the handmade cabling by Cotulla seems to be working i would highly appreciate to have from him his very scheme female/female/plug with specification of the used pinouts of each connector to try exactly replicating it.
as alexnvidia said, your a legend ,,,,, thnx... will be waiting to give it a try
wow you kick htc's a**, you are our hero
great work looking forward for final release ...
Very nice work you are doing there. Keep up the good work!