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I am just about to purchase a new PDA. I am deciding between the Wizard (o2 xda mini s) and Universal (o2 xda exec).
The universal seems to have everything I want, but I am scared by the posts here.
So I have one basic question for you guys:
Do you think:
1. There are basic hardware problems which can't be resolved until there is a new version
2. It is just a buggy software/firmware issue, and this will be fixed by the current and future firmware upgrades ?
If it is 2, I will not mind buying it ?
thx
Only a personal viewpoint, but my view is that most of the problems are being caused by software that claims to support WM5.0 - but the reality is that although they do support it, not all software is as robust as it should be. I have installed and uninstalled a whole range of applications (purchased and trial versions) - and found that many cause lock-ups etc. After trial and error I have settled on a PIM (Pocket Informant) and a closer/launcher (GSPocketMagic) that work reliably, do not cause my Universal to lock up and do not seem to have any effect on system speed. Others I have tried may cause lock-ups or at least really slow the system performance down significantly. Not sure if others have found the same - just what I have found by trial and error. Hope it helps
that is a very interesting point. I was very influenced by this article:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=35177
Also it seems if you read aximsite re: dell x51v, that Wm5 is not as compatable with wm2003se software as people think.
What also seems to be adding to the issues is that the service providers (o2, orange, etc.) are NOT aware of this and are installing applications as standard (e.g. battery meter) which actually cause lags in answering phone calls as they are not correctly for Wm5.
I guess the question is now, does the jasajr work fine when all bad the sowftare is uninstalled, and is it possible to uninstall monitoring software that service providers have installed ?
I just bought mine on Monday... great piece of kit!
If you are just going to use the software that came with it you shouldn't have any problems at all (i haven't anyway) all is working well.
I think as soon as WM2005 becomes more established and more developers cater for it the glitches will go, like NH said, it's more 3rd party software that's causing the problems
hey budo, which service provider did you buy from ?
how is surfing the internet using 3g (the real reason I want to buy it, as I will keep my normal mobile for phone calls)
rgds
My position is clear. WM5 itself has bugs and does things you don't expect. Here are just four examples of WM5 probelms which are nothing to do with third-party apps:
- If the Camera app is left on it heats-up the devices as it drains the battery
- On downloading email over GPRS/3G the Messaging app can freeze
- Media stored on the SD card when used by apps when the "suspend" option is used can cause the app to fail when you re-start your device
- WM5 can report it has insufficient memory even when it has 20MB of RAM free
- Memory leakage means you need to reset the device daily
- If you do reset it is possible to loose settings and data if this data has not been written back to the persistent storage from the real RAM
O2, and they give you 3 options for "install type" so if you want all the bells and whistles you can switch it on, or if you want just the basic software you can switch that on lol...
I have to sort my internet out for 3G, needs to be config for some reason.... but from what i have seen from GPRS it's top dog esp with sites that cater for mobile internet....
this is not good jah, i am put off again. although this could be fixed with a firmware update if htc provide that kind of thing. Anyone know their record on this for other devices ?
hey budo. If 3g is turned on, it should use it automatically for connection, even if it says gprs. that is normally how all my 3g phones have worked when 'bluetoothed' with a pda.
Colonel
I assume you have seen this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=33871
I am not trying to put you off but just want to make sure you have a balanced perspective. I have an Exec and all I can say is that it is "high maintenance" like all M$ based systems
thanks, i'll read.
I'm not sure I totaly agree with you about M$ stuff. I had a dell x50v and currently have an orange m500, and they are perfectly reliable and low mainentance. It does seem however that the hardware people have rushed out wm5 systems without really doing their research and I am sure M$ is responsible for a load of bugs. Roll on WM5se ......
colonel said:
hey budo, which service provider did you buy from ?
how is surfing the internet using 3g (the real reason I want to buy it, as I will keep my normal mobile for phone calls)
rgds
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Sux. This pixel doubling issue means that you don;t get anywhwere near the estate you expected. U can switch to Oz VGA but that costs a 5 min reset either way - easier to get to a PC! The other issue is that the IE browser is SO bad that 3G surfing feels like GPRS - in fact I used to fire up my laptop just to check that I had a good 3G signal in the area and was indeed surfing on UMTS!! Issue is that browser renders slowly, and cache's so badly that it actually reloads the whole friggin page when u go 'back'. I could have my laptop working on a 3G card right alongside my JJ on 3G, type in xda-developers and press 'go', and my laptop would give me the screen in seconds, whilst my JJ would take a full minute!! We're taking over 10x slower. Also, many sites do not render in PIE - blank drop boxes etc. In SA that's movie booking gone, not a SINGLE TV guide site works, and altho my private bank works, my company bank does not. However, terminal services in VGA is awesome...
craigiecraigie4
I don't really have problem with 3G and PIE. I use T-mobile and o2 in the UK and the rendering etc is reasonable given that I did not expect laptop like performance on my Exec. The Exec in corp mode with GSPMagic+ is very quick.
As I have it for 2 months now I have decided to sell it anyway. Why you ask?
Because:
I use the phone for business and after that for private use and it is not quite what I have expected.
Sometimes, quite often infect, I can not answer the incoming call, it just freezes so I have to return calls, really stupid.
The MMS function works horrible, only every 3rd mms gets sent, and SMS is even worse, for only every 10th sms I get delivery report and my clients get more, like 3-5 sms from me.
Do not know why this is happening I really fell in love with Hermes, but some things just must work!
I will tray it maybe later, when the device will be faster, more stable, no more every day soft resets and certainly working for the money I paid for!
Hope yours is working right!
Cheers!
vid200 said:
As I have it for 2 months now I have decided to sell it anyway. Why you ask?
Because:
I use the phone for business and after that for private use and it is not quite what I have expected.
Sometimes, quite often infect, I can not answer the incoming call, it just freezes so I have to return calls, really stupid.
The MMS function works horrible, only every 3rd mms gets sent, and SMS is even worse, for only every 10th sms I get delivery report and my clients get more, like 3-5 sms from me.
Do not know why this is happening I really fell in love with Hermes, but some things just must work!
I will tray it maybe later, when the device will be faster, more stable, no more every day soft resets and certainly working for the money I paid for!
Hope yours is working right!
Cheers!
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Sorry to hear that vid200. I won't be returning to this site for a few days, so can't check back for an answer, but have you tried upgrading/changing your ROM to a better and more stable one? I was quite upset with my TyTN until 2 weeks after I bought it, I decided to change the ROM to one that everyone was saying was good and stable. It's a simple process if u haven't done so, but do a search on it first.
Unless ur unit is faulty (and it just sounds like software issues), probably everything can be put absolutely allright with a little more time.
Best of luck.
How much?
How much of the Hermes you want to sell?
you know.. if you want to donate the phone i am accepting donations
vid200 said:
Sometimes, quite often infect, I can not answer the incoming call, it just freezes so I have to return calls, really stupid.
The MMS function works horrible, only every 3rd mms gets sent, and SMS is even worse, for only every 10th sms I get delivery report and my clients get more, like 3-5 sms from me.
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I must say, my stock hermes from polish era mda vario ii is very stable, no bugs eg. SA, i don't have any crash etc. All working 100/100 times.
But of course stock as it from operator.
When i testing some apps etc. i got some problems, eg. 1 sms is 3 sms, got sms but phone inform about it only when i run messagin aps.........
It's like "big" windows, when you have clean system it's working fine.
Now i use hermes as it from operator, only add, black theme tsk, spb+ and navi. All working super fine, stable/fast etc.
gromel said:
I must say, my stock hermes from polish era mda vario ii is very stable, no bugs eg. SA, i don't have any crash etc. All working 100/100 times.
But of course stock as it from operator.
When i testing some apps etc. i got some problems, eg. 1 sms is 3 sms, got sms but phone inform about it only when i run messagin aps.........
It's like "big" windows, when you have clean system it's working fine.
Now i use hermes as it from operator, only add, black theme tsk, spb+ and navi. All working super fine, stable/fast etc.
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You haven't any overnight freezing?
No need to delete MSMETADATA folder in storage card to have it seen again from windows media?
Good sound from bluetooth earphones?
No problem with bluetooth devices?
Full day use of push e-mail?
No problems with pocket outolook?
Please this is a developer forum, any opinion is valuable, but don't call us stupid!
"We are preparing a space ship to fly to the sun." This, of course was met with much ridicule. They were asked how they planned to deal with the sun's extreme heat. "Simple, we're going at night!"
*gromel*
What about Wi-fi ? ,how does is wokr ? properly? I have heard about cab. bug . If want use ,need download new one (fixed) from ERA site.
How does the "loose slider" in Vario II ?
How's bluetooth connection with PC ? (Vario II - internet modem)
P.S *sergiopi* I dont have problem only with "overnight freezing"...
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You haven't any overnight freezing?
No need to delete MSMETADATA folder in storage card to have it seen again from windows media?
Good sound from bluetooth earphones?
No problem with bluetooth devices?
Full day use of push e-mail?
No problems with pocket outolook?
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1. no freezing. pda working all time on stable about >1 mounth.
2. Windows Media allways see files on phone and storage card.
3. I use Nokia HS-4W, working very fine, no problem with sound.
4. I use bluetooth for connecting with PC (files/activesync/etc), nokia hs-4w and navigo SirfStarIII GPS. Working stable/good.
I don't use push email service. Only sms/mms,all working good, exept as i say, some of testing apps (when i have wizard it's too) doing some bad and when i send sms it's deliver about 2-4 times to recipient. But when I hard reset i have stock pda with some base apps all good. I must have more time to test apps one by one, which doing this bad.
And next post:
No problem with WiFi, i use on work/home, in city, MC'donalds. I see on era page this cab for hmm "fix" something in wifi, but wifi working then i don't apply it. loose slider? don't see any problems. And i don't use vario as modem for PC.
Rom ver. 1.21.118.3
Rom date: 07/06/2006
Radio: 1.05.02.00
Protocol: 32.37.7010.01H
gromel said:
1. no freezing. pda working all time on stable about >1 mounth.
2. Windows Media allways see files on phone and storage card.
3. I use Nokia HS-4W, working very fine, no problem with sound.
4. I use bluetooth for connecting with PC (files/activesync/etc), nokia hs-4w and navigo SirfStarIII GPS. Working stable/good.
I don't use push email service. Only sms/mms,all working good, exept as i say, some of testing apps (when i have wizard it's too) doing some bad and when i send sms it's deliver about 2-4 times to recipient. But when I hard reset i have stock pda with some base apps all good. I must have more time to test apps one by one, which doing this bad.
And next post:
No problem with WiFi, i use on work/home, in city, MC'donalds. I see on era page this cab for hmm "fix" something in wifi, but wifi working then i don't apply it. loose slider? don't see any problems. And i don't use vario as modem for PC.
Rom ver. 1.21.118.3
Rom date: 07/06/2006
Radio: 1.05.02.00
Protocol: 32.37.7010.01H
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i can say the same thing about my device.. but want to add that in addition to everything above i do use push mail and it works great, no issues here.. my phone stats are on my sig
I too am having perfect luck with my Hermes - it's been just as reliable as my Wizard was. No wi-fi locking up, no hand-off problems - it's been great!
ROM: 1.35.255.2
Date: 11/14/06
Radio: 1.18.00.10
Edit: I do have one problem... my battery doesn't last a full day with Push email and my IM+ usage. I ordered the 3000mAh battery from Lion... hopefully that fixes that up!
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i can say the same thing about my device.. but want to add that in addition to everything above i do use push mail and it works great, no issues here.. my phone stats are on my sig
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I can also say the same thing. My device works well with the 1.35 SA Rom. Direct push all day about 50 to 75 emails each day, Sony HBH-DS970 bluetooth, 3g on all day..does not switch to gprs. Use bluetooth gps receiver a couple times per week, no problems. Play mp3 via bluetooth everyday from my sdcard, I have never had to delete the msmetadata folder. Receive phone calls 15 to 25 times per day, no issues. I also have spb pocket +, SPB Weather, SPB Diary, TCPMP, TOmTOm 5.21, Pocket Mechanic, SKtools, PpcWEbcam, IM+, Pocket Informant, MS One Note, VxUtils, PHM Regedit, Total Commander, and Sprite Backup without issues. But as for SMS/MMS.. i couldn't say.I don't use either except for about 5 daily alerts for weather and stock quotes. Don't really send any sms or mms, use email instead....
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I can also say the same thing. My device works well with the 1.35 SA Rom. Direct push all day about 50 to 75 emails each day, Sony HBH-DS970 bluetooth, 3g on all day..does not switch to gprs. Use bluetooth gps receiver a couple times per week, no problems. Play mp3 via bluetooth everyday from my sdcard, I have never had to delete the msmetadata folder. Receive phone calls 15 to 25 times per day, no issues. I also have spb pocket +, SPB Weather, SPB Diary, TCPMP, TOmTOm 5.21, Pocket Mechanic, SKtools, PpcWEbcam, IM+, Pocket Informant, MS One Note, VxUtils, PHM Regedit, Total Commander, and Sprite Backup without issues. But as for SMS/MMS.. i couldn't say.I don't use either except for about 5 daily alerts for weather and stock quotes. Don't really send any sms or mms, use email instead....
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I agree, the only solution is to admit that there are hermes and Hermes, may be here many of us have the hermes release, the poor brother.
I have the same 1.35 SA Rom, no Sbp SW (may be it helps?) and I delete MSMETADATA twice a week.
I had to reset (due to freezing) every day. Seriously speaking, it could be a problem in SD driver. My storage card (and many of us) cards could be the faulty element of the chain
I'm a light user but the phone (Vario II) has been great for me. No problems whatsoever. Worked perfectly out of the box - and still does (two months later).
I switch it off every night (I don't want calls to disturb my sleep and even the guy behind the recent research into mobiles and tumours which said they were harmless said he wouldn't sleep beside his mobile phone!) and I think that this helps the device (i.e. one hard reset every day).
I find that I use my laptop much less these days because for the most common tasks (e-mail, checking presentations, finding information etc.) the Vario is adequate.
Well, I come to a point where I cannot use my Hermes as a 24h phone. I love it as an admin tool and I access our company servers via VPN (ncp VPN client does a marvellous job with Lancom firewalls) - but the occasional freezes (DSOD) are a real pain since I have to be available all the time and I do not even see the phone froze long time ago while having the screen off.
My question: What would be an ideal WM5 phone edition hardware addition to my TyTN?
I need a keyboard, I need 320*240 (well, the Palm 750v has its issues, we use it for some management folks and they regularly complain about freezes as well...) and I would like WiFi. I do not need UMTS/3G as long as it has fast GRPS (EDGE) .
MY ideas are:
the imate JAQ3 or the HTC P4350/Herald.
My key selection criteria:
Stability.
Could anyone give me his personal experiences about these 2 devices? About freezes. Does the slower CPU makes a big difference?
Regards
Apple*
Hi!!
In addition to the TyTN......... I have a TyTN and sincerely I would say that it's the most powerful compact device..... up till now no device has major capabilities..... maybe the Universal, but it's too big and heavy.
Then listen to me...... go on with your TyTN and save your money....... soon the HTC Kaiser will be available..... be patient.
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pigieffo - PocketPCItalia.com Forum Admin
Hey,
I have an TYTN for 8 weeks and it freezes a lot of time. The speed is not so famous for 400 HZ
Now I have only an Herald an it worked perfect. No freezing. The speed is OK and with an 1500mAH Battery it runs one week.
Why do you use not only an Hermes?
Best regards
Oliver
After hearing the news of O2 Atom Life being planned for release, I, like most of the users out there who bought it was restlessly waiting for its release.
Sadly, after getting my hand on the device, I am faced with the following problems (WM5 and WM6).
1. Video Call - The vtcall application requires 10mb of free ram to start. When in use, it only uses about 2-3mb of ram (confirmed by O2 support). The problem is, the average free ram of most users is around 8-10mb. When receiving video call, vtcall fails to start up.
2. Slow performance while scribing - Writing using the stylus is misery with this device. Each strokes appeared slowly and you are unable to write naturely. Instead you have to write very slowly, letter by letter. The excuse given by O2 Support is because of it using the rom as temporary memory for the touch screen and also because of the rom size (1gb). I was told that it is so because they can't foresee what will be effected when they decided to put in 1gb of rom. For me, it seems like it has a design flaw. I wonder if I can return the product and get back my money as this is the main reason why I regret getting Atom Life.
1. Windows Live - All features of Windows Live will try to connect via 3G/GPRS even though the device is already connected to the internet via wifi. Anyway, can't blame this on O2 as it seems to be the problem with WM6 but if they did a good testing, they should have known this and as Microsoft to fix it.
2. O2 Calendar - When tapped, it always open the native Calendar application even though the default calendar application has been set to other application (Pocket Informant, Pocket Agenda, ect).
3. O2 Filler - The filler has problem calculating the free space left with certain today plugins like the native Calendar plugin and Spb Mobile Shell (with auto-hide enabled).
4. O2 Connect - It has only 3 items. Support, Collection Points and News. Where's the updates, tips and ect as stated in www.seeo2.com? The O2 Connect at the site is also worthless. The service is far worse than the O2 Connect service for O2 Xda II mini. Further more, the News item has problem. After refreshing it, about 80% of the time, the content is corrupted. Can only see the first news followed by damaged text display. Anyway, the today plugin can display the news correctly.
5. Camera Templates (Photo Frame mode) - The template is placed in the hidden partition of the rom and users are stuck with only 5 templates. Unlike O2 Xda II mini, users can place additional templates in the My Documents\Templates folder and they are automatically accessible in the camera. Upon contacting O2 support, they asked me to look for 3rd party software to solve it.
6. Notification Queue - The WLMSchedule has mutiple duplication. Need to remove them or the duplicated events will grow in number over time. Again, this is more to Microsoft but as stated above, O2 should have known about it.
I have experienced the same problem but the most irritating for me is the problem with Video calling. How I wish the 1G ROM can share memory with the exhausted RAM like before with Windows 2003.
thanks for the info....how about flame???it hv the same problem??
Here an update from O2:
Prob 1:
After several phone conversation with O2, it is decided that O2 can't do anything with this. The 10mb start-up requirement for VTCall is for performance sake (used for buffer). O2 confirmed that they are aware that Atom Life does not have enough main memory after (extensive use) before it is released to the market.
From my point of view, the designers should be sacked. If they knew about it, why not just increase the main memory to 128mb? Sigh, too many fools working at O2.
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1. I don't know why but I consistently get 12-15MB of free RAM. Like right now, I have 16MB. I can only seem to get less than 10MB when I play Windows Media Player in the background.
2. I use transcriber and I agree that it's quite slow but compared to the old way of writing on my Palm then it's like light speed.
Now the other part
1 and 6. I don't blame a device (or the maker) for Microsoft bugs. I mean seriously, look how many people go out to get Vista even though it's full of bugs. I got my Atom Life with WM6 and never even touched Windows Live (and don't understand what you mean by WLMSchedule <-- ignorance is bliss ). If I don't like a built-in function, I'll try to get 3rd-party stuff for it or not use it at all.
2. I use SPB Diary and it works with Pocket Informant.
3. After a long process of finding out what is "O2 Filler", I finally figure out what it is. I don't install O2 Themes so it doesn't show up and my SPB Diary is pretty good at calculating the correct space.
4. You actually installed O2 Connect? I heard it was responsible for the random turning on of Wifi so I did not even install it. Got this after intensive research on internet.
5. Ok, this is a problem and the O2 people should do something about it.
So ya, I still blame the O2 people for not getting more RAM (more RAM is always better) and the terrible quality of their softwares. But overall, I love my Atom Life. Just wanna provide a more balanced viewpoint for those interested in buying the Atom Life.
Part 1: It's O2 fault as the VTCall application is choosen by O2 for video call.
Part 2: If you have used Magician before (O2 Xda II mini), you'll be amazed that the old device outperform O2 Atom Live. When you scribe on it, it feels like you are using a real pen.
Part 3 & 4: Heh he, I don't use it actually... just pointing out that O2 are not planning very well with the applications they are providing
Part 5: The great part is, the O2 support ask me to buy a 3rd part application for it... like it does exists. Made me think that the support team is stupid or living in a remote area somewhere in.... dunno where.
Part 6: You can disable the damn WM Live thing using Memmaid... but since I'm using Messenger and Hotmail... sigh...
I have had my Atom Life for about 3 months now. I upgraded it to the latest WM6 ROM found on the O2 web site. My previous device was an I-Mate Jam.
I don't use a lot of the advanced features in the Atom Life, because of my current Telco provider (T-Mobile USA). So, I'm only using Edge, not 3G or 3.5G. I'm also not using VTCall or the FM radio. I do use WiFi and this seems to work well, although not as convenient as being on a PC. I do use Skype on occasion (under WiFi) and that has worked well too. I have a stereo blutooth earphone by Motorola that works great. I'm checking email (POP3) and going to the Internet, no problem. I bought Spb Mobile Shell for launching application and that's probably the smartest buy I've ever made for my device. I almost never use the stylus for most standard operations, thanks to this great application. I also use Microsoft Voice Command. With this, no need to ever look at your screen or fumble with searching for contacts: making phone calls and launching applications are a cinch. I also have a bunch of other applications (various databases, MetrO, PDF reader), all working flawlessly. The camera is adequate. It's never going to replace a real camera, but for quick shots it's actually pretty decent. I don't use my PDA as a major input device. Therefore, I mostly use the build-in keyboard for typing things in and that's fine for me. I do travel extensively overseas and the Atom Life has worked flawlessly on any network it's been connected to.
The only major issue I have with the Atom Life. It doesn't notify me when I have a voicemail waiting for me. Technical support was useless. They basically told me: "sorry, we don't support the Atom Life in the US". I do get notification for missed calls and SMS, but not for voicemail. I have searched the Internet every which way and found no solution, except for a recommendation to change my Radio ROM (I have no clue on how to do this and I don't want to brick my phone). If anyone has any ideas on how to solve this problem, let me know. I will be forever grateful!!
Otherwise, I am fairly pleased with the Atom life, as you may have guessed.
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frenchygeek said:
I have had my Atom Life for about 3 months now. I upgraded it to the latest WM6 ROM found on the O2 web site. My previous device was an I-Mate Jam.
I don't use a lot of the advanced features in the Atom Life, because of my current Telco provider (T-Mobile USA). So, I'm only using Edge, not 3G or 3.5G. I'm also not using VTCall or the FM radio. I do use WiFi and this seems to work well, although not as convenient as being on a PC. I do use Skype on occasion (under WiFi) and that has worked well too. I have a stereo blutooth earphone by Motorola that works great. I'm checking email (POP3) and going to the Internet, no problem. I bought Spb Mobile Shell for launching application and that's probably the smartest buy I've ever made for my device. I almost never use the stylus for most standard operations, thanks to this great application. I also use Microsoft Voice Command. With this, no need to ever look at your screen or fumble with searching for contacts: making phone calls and launching applications are a cinch. I also have a bunch of other applications (various databases, MetrO, PDF reader), all working flawlessly. The camera is adequate. It's never going to replace a real camera, but for quick shots it's actually pretty decent. I don't use my PDA as a major input device. Therefore, I mostly use the build-in keyboard for typing things in and that's fine for me. I do travel extensively overseas and the Atom Life has worked flawlessly on any network it's been connected to.
The only major issue I have with the Atom Life. It doesn't notify me when I have a voicemail waiting for me. Technical support was useless. They basically told me: "sorry, we don't support the Atom Life in the US". I do get notification for missed calls and SMS, but not for voicemail. I have searched the Internet every which way and found no solution, except for a recommendation to change my Radio ROM (I have no clue on how to do this and I don't want to brick my phone). If anyone has any ideas on how to solve this problem, let me know. I will be forever grateful!!
Otherwise, I am fairly pleased with the Atom life, as you may have guessed.
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You can find how to upgrade the radio from the link below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549804&page=100
Hello.
I used to own a HTC TyTN (Hermes) for a while but I sold it because I had some problems with screen alignment and sometimes the phone was on and geting a good reception and still I couldn't be reached.
Anyway, now I would like to buy a new PDA and I am thinking about buying a new TyTN or a P4350 (Herald). What do you guys think?
- The TyTN has a Samsung 400 mhz processor and sometimes I found it a tad slow, the Herald has a 200mhz processor found on most HTC products. Will the Herald be even slower?
- I see the Herald has no dedicated buttons on top of the screen (for Outlook and Internet Explorer) but can I set a given button to launch a program? (like arrow up, down, etc..) It was not possible on the Hermes.
- In size and weight matters I think we all agree that the Herald is better.
- Connectivity: the Herald has no IrDA (which is useless to me) and no UMTS. Can I have a decent internet connection speed with EDGE or HSDPA?
- Herald doesn't have video call support but it's not that important, altought I have 120 minutes of video calls for free and I won't spend them.
- What is really important is the qwerty keypad. It's just imposible to write sms or email with the virtual keyboard. Which keypad is better? Herald's or TyTN's?
EDIT: - Macro mode on the TyTN was really great and usefull. That one will me missed if I buy a Herald.
Which one would you suggest knowing that I will use it mainly for web browsing, reading and writing emails, phone calls, listening to mp3s, etc...
Thanks a lot.
if one of your main concerns is web browsing
if you have 3G in your Area...seems like the TyTN would be the choice
as it has a UMTS/HSDPA Radio
as long as you have a way of charging it when the battery gets eaten up
the 400mhz vs 200mhz issue
yes, im sure that the 200mhz would be slower than the hermes
Keyboard-Wise
idk about the Herald...but my TyTN Keyboard has become a little unresponsive and i need to press some buttons hard sometimes
i think this is a hardware defect and im looking into it
it does require me to take mine apart...again...lol
hope this helps
Hey,
I have first an TYTN and sold them (Buy Dezember 2006): A lot of Problems and bugfixes
Then I buy an Herald: First wonderfull, but if you use many programms 200mHZ to slow. No scroll whell but ab better keyboard.
4 Weeks ago I sold them and buy again a TYTN and since then; I love it, but the keyboard from the Herald is better
----> If you ask me: I will buy an TYTN again
Regards
Oliver
Neverwork said:
if one of your main concerns is web browsing
if you have 3G in your Area...seems like the TyTN would be the choice
as it has a UMTS/HSDPA Radio
as long as you have a way of charging it when the battery gets eaten up
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Thank for your answer.
Well, I do have 3G coverage and I will use the device for web browsing and email so I think the Hermes (TyTN) would suit me better. What kind of connections does the Herald have? Here is only states that it has EDGE. How fast can that go?
For a Comparison between EDGE and HSDPA
in my area my results were:
EDGE: 156kb/s
HSDPA: 896kb/s
and HSDPA had a much lower pingtime
the herald is a lot thinner if that matters, and to my girlfriend( and myself if i needed a keyboard) a slim phone almost means more than anything. the 200mhz didn't feel slower yet, but then i'll run two programs max, and could live with the speed since the tytn didn't feel too much faster.
we're with t-mobile, so 3g wasn't important or available, but if i had it, i'm unsure that would sway me. going wifi doesn't seem all that fast either. we don't browse the web much, mostly just email and certain data-pulling programs so the 3g isn't all that to us.
but the keyboard, and all front keys, and the sliding keyboard mechanism are all so much nicer. the front keys are the best of the 6-8 htc products i've run across. similar in feel to the Jam, whereas the 8525 are the worst(notice, 8525, not htc tytn itself).
if i had to choose, it'd be the herald unless the web is a BIG need