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I know it is almost impossible to produce a software that is fully protected. In this I would like to share my experience in protection.
I developed a program that works in PPCPE and I have made a very good protection system….. I think
The protection system works as fallows:
- when the software is first install it capture the date of the installation
- it reads the device ID
- it ask the user for the program serial number
- I have two way of registering the system either through an SMS or through the web using a GPRS.
- The software combines the three number together using some equations to make it almost impossible to find out what I am collecting… also I use an equation verify if the serial number is OK since we are using SMS and it is very costly to send SMS that contains a wrong serial number
- When the user chose the method to register the number is send to my server and the server send back the activation key to the user PPCPE
- The PPCE will read the SMS and delete it and store this SMS in the database …
The above is to get the activation key
In the software the activation key is produce and I use “if statement” to compare the activation key which is stored in the data base and the one the software produce if they are the same it will execute otherwise it will stop execution
To make it very difficult for the hacker I use pointer in the program and in these pointer I add the protiction key to it and subtract the key the program produce to make the additon equal to zero if the two key are the same
The pointer point to each button and each menu item in the program
I hop this information will help and I welcome any comment
Hmmm, sounds nice...but is it worth all the trouble...especially the SMS route could complicate things, no?
Besides, with good debuggers is it not possible to NOP the check section or jmp it, applying a patch?
I would opt more for a good packer such as Armadillo, and protect it that way. It will obfuscate the code, has debugger protections built-in, splits codes and destructs IAT. Additionally, you could add nanomites to make unpacking even harder. Then use a simple license key system.
Yes you are write .. a good hacker can do that …. But
If you use the method of pointer it is almost impossible to get any thing out of the program and it will be use les for any body to use it
And also it is almost imposable to hack it
But armadillo is only available for x86 Windows. But your message is right, HappyGoat.
pointer protection: piece of cake!
Well, the pointer thing as you describe it does not sound too difficult to hack.
You said your software will take the address for a pointer, add the key the user has entered, and substract the one the program has computed so that it equals to zero.
So, this means that the shift is always the same, so if you can get the entry point for any button, you know which value to add to the key generated by your software. Since you don't obfuscate the code this is a matter of minutes to hack this. :roll:
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As an old cracker I can tell you that this algo would not be difficult to crack. You are not using EXE file encryption, anti-debugging, integrity checking, and other tricks that are used in good protections like ASProtect. They would take some hours to bypass. And playing with pointers can stop only kiddies. UnlockMe said why.
If a cracker would get one valid question-answer pair, he'll easily convert any program to a fully working version. And your code can be cracked without this knowledge.
- The software combines the three number together using some equations to make it almost impossible to find out what I am collecting…
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Funny. Why should the cracker try to "find out what I am collecting"? Why the cracker should be bothered with all this ****? There are easier ways.
also I use an equation verify if the serial number is OK since we are using SMS and it is very costly to send SMS that contains a wrong serial number
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Costly SMS? Even in Russia you can get free SMS subscription. I have free SMS + free GPRS + free incoming calls.
Your protection has at least one very thin part that makes it useless. I've seen the similar ideas before. But I would not tell you
And remember:
If it runs, it can be defeated. (c) +Orc
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It is very nice to see people participates in a subject. I find it very interesting. And very helpful
I am not going to tell what I do but I am given a point to start to programmer
Chatty
Thanks for bringing this point. I can not find it also
UnlockME
I think it is very difficult to hack.
Imagine in my software I have 36 button and menu item. Each of them has a pointer. Let us say button one has a pointer value equal to 11675 let say it is stored in ptr
My key is 123456789 .. let say it is stored in a string str1
The key in the program is 908070605040302010 …… I use more encryption than that but this is just a demonstration
And let us say it is stored in str2
When you address the button you address it like this
Ptr = ptr – (str1[1]-str2[17])
As I mention I am not going to reveal the protection that I use.. I am only giving a point to start
There is more thing in it I leave it to your imagination ..
Mamaich
In my country each SMS cost the mobile owner 0.1 USD … I am not going to cost hem moony for a wrong entry
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I think I know what you are thinking …. If the key is produced in the program I can hack it … I hope the above example clear thing up
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if you know any EXE encryption or anti debugging software I will be thankful
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thanks every body for your replay
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pleas remember I am not Claiming that my sAlgorithm is anti-hacked …. It is only an algorithm for protection that I came with
wwb95, I'm not going to disclose in this forum how to actually hack an exe, but what i can tell you is that pointer-based protection will only stop kiddies as Mamaic says.
a hacker is not always a bad guy, though often they use their knowledge for such purpose, but it is before everything a guy that has an extensive knowledge of development tools, operating system, memory management, ...
I can tell you that if you are going to protect your software with this pointer thing, please send me a link I'll be only too happy to provide it for free to the community with a working "yes-code". 8)
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When you address the button you address it like this
Ptr = ptr – (str1[1]-str2[17])
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I'll assume that (str1[1]-str2[17]) is always a constant for all Ptrs. Then you can easily find an original button handler (don't ask me how, newbies can check all function addresses, gurus can just look at the code, I'll use a different method), calculate this value and patch a program or write a keygen. And if it is not a constant - the process would not be much more difficult.
if you know any EXE encryption or anti debugging software I will be thankful
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I don't know any existing protection. Long time ago I was developing such a project, but due to a lack of time and no investitions I've dropped it.
Here is a crackme - http://mamaich.kasone.com/wz/crackme.rar
and a pre-aplha of protector - http://mamaich.kasone.com/wz/protector.rar
It can compress&encrypt ARM WinCE DLLs and EXE files, has minor anti-debugging tricks and primitive import/export/resources encryption. And thats all that was done. No API, no stolen bytes, no on-the fly decryption, no integrity checking, etc.
I would not publish its source codes nor continue the work.
My advice: give up trying to protect your app. It can't be done; anything can be cracked easily. You're only going to piss off your users when the complex reg scheme starts introducing bugs and instability.
All you really want to do is a simple registration scheme. You have to rely on people's honor.
At Airscanner we wrote a book showing how to crack software, with a couple of chapters on ARM-based cracking for Windows CE. But you can get more info, and better, for free at Kaos' website:
http://ka0s.net/
It has everything you need to get started in Pocket PC reverse engineering.
By the way, it's good to see +ORC referenced in this forum. Mamaich do I know you?
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By the way, it's good to see +ORC referenced in this forum. Mamaich do I know you?
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Some time ago I was a regular poster on www.reversing.net and www.reng.ru and reader of fraviamb. Now I don't have time for that.
Maybe you've seen my name in "thanks" sections of some tools.
ZXEvil why are you posting that link on multiple topics? What is that file?
I'm looking for an anti-theft app. I don't know if it exists yet.
Is there an equivalent to the symbian phone apps "Anti-thief" or "EzProtect"? It has some nice features to let your pda "phone home" when someone is tinkering with it, or you can remotely disable your pda by sending a password though sms.
I've been searching over the net and found "Kill-pda" but that can only erase the device completely by sms. Thats a bit overkill :lol:
I hope someone knows, because i learned the hard way that you really need an app like this. My phone got stolen once and I got a Huge A$$$ bill for calling to egypt en italy
edit: I found this description for EzProtect:
The application sends an SMS to your specified number as soon as the SIM card has been changed. By this way, you receive SMS on your friend's (or whoever's number u defined) cell with the thief's cellnumber and SIM number (IMSI) so it becomes very easy to track the thief.
I definately want an app that can do this. And I can imagine a lot of people wanting it too.
There was a discussion about this on HoFo in Oct ober when people first started receiving their Wizards. I think BTT (BeyondtheTech) mentioned something about it. I'll see if I can track it down this evening.
It certainly would be cool.
Check this out! http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?s=0c0cedfa906ae1b85f844fb7b497def6&showtopic=65021
Hope this works. I have not tried this myself.
Thanks a lot for your help, but that was the program i mentioned in the threadstart "PDAKill".
The only thing it can do is erase the device completely when you send a sms to your pda containing a predifined password.
But when the thief takes out the simcard and puts in his own, then this program would be useless.
Guys, if I've seemed distracted for the last few days, this is why:
I've been working on a program called VJAccioPhone.
It is used to detect if your phone has been stolen and to permit remote use of the stolen phone. Your phone doesn't have to be stolen, eg if for some reason your wife is likely to discover your "niece's" affectionate messages to you, you can send a password protected remote keyword to format your phone and hardreset it. I'm sure you can think of better examples!
It's an expansion of some code I wrote for my unreleased plugin, VJEphemeris, which you can read about here. The release version allows you to do pretty much anything you can do with the phone when it's in your hand, all remotely. Destructive and constructive control.
This is a pre-announcement. I don't like preannouncing, but unfortunately this week I've been on a very limited programming quota due to the ministrations of my better half. So although the code is finally finished, it's being beta tested while I'm away on holiday. If all is well when I get back next week, hopefully I'll try to get it released!
Don't tell anyone else, but you can read about VJAccioPhone and see screenshots here. Please note, and don't ask, there is no download available at the moment.
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Aside from that a program like this would be very handy, and I'm quite curious and will keep an eye on it myself, I advise everyone to activate the pin code on their simcard, and always call their mobile operator as soon as the phone is stolen so they can block your number to avoid getting high bills as the topicstarter said... You should also be able to get your number back easily by requesting a new sim card and having your mobile number set to that simcard again.
This may seem obvious to some people, but I just wanted to post it anyway since a lot of people are still not aware of these simple ways to protect yourself.
Absolutely true; in England, the police aren't interested in persuing phone theft, but for you own benefit, you must always have your IMEI blocked and the phone reported stolen immediately to prevent you being charged for calls.
VJAccioPhone will be able to report back to you even if the IMEI has been changed or it's being used abroad etc. It's more for protecting your data on the stolen phone then getting the phone back. Frankly, any thief would do better to throw the phone away then persue cracking strong protections. Stolen phones are easy enough to come by! However, at least a nice passer by might be able to get in touch with you!
V
Sounds great! Would it be possible to enable the phone ID (Where you can enter your name and contact details) thought this might be good if it was ever found (or part of the hard reset).
Wauw, this is great stuff Vijay!
If you need a beta-tester on the wizard platform, i would highly recommend myself
This would be excactly what everyone needs 8)
Would it be possible to save the configuration settings? Because my idea would be to include the cab file in my extended_rom, and thus make it install itself even after a hard reset. This would mean that the configurations settings also have to be loaded after the hard reset.
Keep up the great work Vijay
frigit: if you mean enable password screen, yes, should be no problem. however i'm thinking of writing a better custom password screen using some strong encryption, with optional destruction on failure.
leploep: of course, it's designed for extended rom etc. right now protection works as a ta k, for the demo, but i'll be writing protection into an invisible app. Remote control is already complete and works transparently when triggered, so the thief won't even realise what you're doing ie there's no sign of the control smss being received to the thief.
eg you can background call the police from the stolen phone
more when i'm back from holiday next week!
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This is starting to sound like a killer app - pun intended 8)
I'm in for sure when you get this finished, Vijay!
Already finished for the demo version!
kept me quite busy, developing three intersecting programs, like playing chess! but they all seem to work ok. a friend is testing it hopefully this week then i'll see what i can do for wider release when i get back...
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Well vijay555 , you can put me on the list of very interested persons on buying this soft.
Cheers mate.
vijay will this work on all the wm5.0 devices??
i.e. I have the pda2k with wm5.0 and have been looking for a prog like this since i got my device, also is it possible to keep this program after hard reset ?? as you know if a hard reset is done the data is gone, but the user now has an expensive device to start playing with
it's not been tested on wm5 at this time, actually because the guy testing has a wm2003 motorola - gulp! but everything i write is normally wm5 & wm2003 now. there is no reason why it's not wm5 compatible but i'll ensure it is before release. i can certainly say, to my pain, the hardReset keyword is very wm5, i activated it by accident in testing.
retaining it after hard reset is only possible, as far as i am aware, by using a custom ext rom or rom.i've not tried it on my magician or universal, but hopefully your device in particular ext rom customisation is possible. at this time it uses registry & normal exe/dll files to run, so no reason it can't be ext rom'med. hopefully this will be confirmed in testing shortly.
if anyone can think of any particularly useful remote keywords to incorporate drop me a line. as it is, the full version will permit remote .exe launching so it can do pretty much anything
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a lot of us have paid an arm and leg for our devices so having that extra peace of mind,knowing that if your device is nicked your going to make it as hard as poss for the theif to try and profit from your loss.
vijay all the best mate so far your app looks very promising iv got the exec running WM05 so if you need a beta tester let me know LOL
and guys if you report your phone as lost make sure your service provider is also going to blacklist the device!
I work for Vodafones in a call centre in the birmingham, UK,but the amount of customer services that is outsoursed to other non vodafone call centres based here in the UK its unbelievable! the amount of complaints I deal with and customers accounts that I come across where the outsourced twats
will admin bar your sim card but not blacklist the handset!
anyway I'll keep my eyes open for any more theftbashing apps and will post on here.
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I work for Vodafones i
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But have an O2 phone.....
Whow V.
Looks very very promising.. !
Great Job man :!:
i'd be happy to check it on my devices :wink:
Cheerz
lol mcwarre
even with our staff accounts we can't get the pdas as they are only available for busniess customers to be honest with you don't know why vodafone is stupid enough not to sell to normal consumers its the biggest network in the uk,
the staff phones we do get we gets 12 months line rental free lol
annnnd from all the universals I think the exec with its black shell looks the most stunning-the white shell devices just look a tad bulkier! lol
Is there anyone who has done this, kind of like recording the phonecall... Though my query is slightly more advanced, I would like to see a Crypto program creating secure phonecalls using WM5...
So we would need to capture the datastream incoming(to decrypt) and outgoing to crypt, this creating a nice safe way to talk to your...friends... Anyone else up for this project?
Or any feedback on the concept?
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i dont think its only me intrested in this so ill send this source code aswell from a company that works from a PC via isdn... This company sells cellphones with encryption...
http://www.cryptophone.de/support/downloads/downloads.html
Dont know if this could help in the initial stage?
Ps.
A similar software does exist (180 dollars per phone + all your details are sent to australian gov) www.securegsm.com
Anyone up for the task?
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it is impossible to intercept the audio data coming through PPC unless your hardware is specially designed for it and it provides you a specialized API for doing that. All crypting software encrypts calls via doing CSD calls and senging data. There is another program - www.cryptophone.de
this looks like a HTC anyway...
http://www.cryptophone.de/products/CP220/index.html
???
Then how can secureGSM do it in a software made for any WM5?
So theoretically i dont think there is a problem there....
SecureGSM is an end to end app, which I suppose all such apps would have to be.
As such, it almost certainly doesn't need to pick up the phone/modem audio path (which as Mamaich says, seems to be impossible without a particular hardware implementation), but just use the normal microphone and loudspeaker recording/playback functions.
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AddeBC,
Vijay is right. SecureGSM is working on the same principal as criptophone.
Establish a modem connection between two devices running the same software run a negociation with the network (v.110 is much faster then v.32) start a data connection with the other dude...the stream that the mic receives is encrypted and sent over to the other party there the software decrypts the stream and plays it troughout the speaker.
There were quite a few threads regarding csd connections between phones so could start from there.
The only thing that you're going to miss in this deal is the logistic for selling the software + phone.
Cheers,
Raul
I often thought of adding this as a feature of GSMbeam but I just can't think when I would ever really need it. It would be cool to communicate without the possibility of Big Brother knowing what is said, but what would you say?
To sell this kind of software may also bring you in contact with undesirable groups, criminals or terrorists are propably in need of good voice call encryption.
To do this it will have to have a reletively low quality of sound because of the poor data rate on voice calls. How would one go about encoding the sound to data? Are there any off the shelf open ended codecs for this purpose or would the work need to be done from scratch?
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......To sell this kind of software may also bring you in contact with undesirable groups, criminals or terrorists are propably in need of good voice call encryption....
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as per SecureGSM FAQ:
http://www.securegsm.com/pages.php?pageid=16#4
Is your software designed to support criminals and terrorists?
Absolutely not! We do not condone any such activities, and take extreme care to ensure that our products are used to prevent, rather than encourage criminal or terrorist behavior.
AddeBC
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A similar software does exist (180 dollars per phone + all your details are sent to australian gov)
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End User Details are being collected as part of identity verification procedure.
First name, Second Name, living address, phone number and contact email address. I suppose, this is standard practice. We do not support criminals and terrorists and would not sell if in doubt.. At the same time our software does just what is says to do: encrypts phone conversation end to end to the military standards and beyond.
It is buyer's resposibility to provide correct information on the order form.
see this page for details:
http://www.securegsm.com/pages.php?pageid=26
Also, I suppose providing end user information to the Australian Government does not automaticaly lead to the conclusion that SecureGSM is flawed or insecure, has master key, back door or leaving any other way to interfere with contents of SecureGSM encrypted conversation. And no! Big Brother does not know what is said..
Any way, if terrorists or any of the countries listed there want call encryption they would not trust their lives to someone elses software. I am sure they are smart enough to write their own.
As for the laws governing the sale, that just makes me mad. I do not trust John Howard, I think I should have the right to a private conversation without registering it with him. I guess that is the beauty of computers. Computers make the world go round and its the size of your brain that gets results not politics.
Well, for a less.. 'big brother-ish' scenario, I would, personally like to have my line phone to be encrypted, as it is way much easier to have someone bugging your phone line.
However, for a cell/mobile phone, it is relatively difficult for amateur people to bug it, right? What are the chances that someone around you that is interested on your conversations, is capable of intercepting your mobile/cell phone calls.
Raseac Secure Phone - for WM 2003 and WM 2003 SE
This looks worthwhile! Downloads are available from the website for testing.
[Also, as a side note, I have been in touch with Phil Zimmermann, the creator of PGP, and lately of Zfone (crypto SIP phone for XP/Linux/Mac), and he says he realizes the importance of the Pocket PC platform and is considering ways of implementing Zfone for Pocket PC.]
Code:
http://www.raseac.com.br/
Encryption system for end-to-end secure voice communication. It was developed to be used in palmtop computers running Microsoft PocketPC 2003 e 2003SE (Intel).
When installed in a palmtop connected via modem to a telephony system (fixed or mobile), it allows your company and your business a secure means of communication anywhere around the world.
Since Raseac encryption technology was developed for high capacity processors, it allowed for the implementation of state of the art security, featuring:
* Exceptional sound quality;
* 256-bit encryption key;
* Encryption technology based on the Rijndael block cipher (AES);
* CBC, Random IV, Time Stamp, Integrity check by MAC/SHA-256;
* 100% protected against "man in the middle attack";
* No backdoor.
Need for secure phone line; the brazilian site and others
Well, I'd say that common people don't have much to worry about being tapped... Usually, nothing that sensitive is talken EVER over line.
Things begin to change when you are involved with something sensitive, be that legal or not. Most of the guies who work with corps, above management level may have some need from time to time, to be contacted that way by a superior. From director and up, depending on what kind of business the company is into, it IS a must!
People who work with security, government and other agencies may need it. As already said, people who work with barely legal to blatantly criminal stuff are always in need of such trappings. I think terrorists end-up on that class.
Equipment, hard and soft is always expensive and cost prohibitive for most of us.
Paranoid, techno-junkies and just curious people may want it, just to have.
Since I fit two or three of the said categories, I would like to put a program like that on my cell phone...
Just for the sake of having it there!
(mind you! Curious, telecom and management+ position...)
That said, a basic voice scramble-de-scramble program is OK for me!!!
(the more open-source, the better!)
About the brazilian company, they changed the site's name to secvoice. I tried to have a look-see on their specs but they ignored my e-mail and so I've done with it.
Hi all,
In Turkey we have a fundamentalist government and they are doing everything to take Turkey out of a secular system into a islamic - religious one. For this reason, the government set up a special "listening" unit directly connected to itself and started to track and "listen" the opposite viewers phone calls etc. without valid court orders and take everyone under pressure. The official number is about 70.000 people, as the Minister of Justice has recently said; who knows the real number.
People here began to behave paranoid in order to avoid their conversations listened.
So what I am asking is if there's program for WinMo (like celltrack, net monitor, field test cell info for symbian) that will tell us using connection parameters that our phone is tracked or listened?
Answers will be appreciated.
Regards,
Interesting...
this is being done all over the world. it does not surprise me in the least. xda would be the right place to ask this question for sure. people need to stand up & stop putting up with this NWO crap.
Governmental and or intelligence services often cooperate with phone providers to get to the desired informations, which also includes movement profiles. In these cases you are not able to intervene as the informations cannot be blocked anymore once they get to the mobile providers.
If you are afraid of your freedom you have to go back to a communication level that is harder to track, like hidden messages in letters.
Commonly speaking: The more modern your way of communication is, the easier it is to track them.
PS: Not even the current US president is safe *SMH*
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/21/obama.cell.breach/index.html
Oddly, this is the second time today with short interval (almost had it still in my clipboard) that I paste this link - https://www.gold-lock.com/app/FAQ. If I understand correctly, the soft will encrypt Your calls end-to-end provided that both ends use it.
other then encryption I don't see any way of doing anything as
the interception is not directed at the phone but at the phone central
so there is no way the phone can detect if it's being monitored
look here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Utils
search for fieldtest on that page
Err yeah, you're part of the government trying to figure out the loopholes.
This belongs in the Q&A section
thank you
Hello folks,
is it somehow possible to edit a number from call history (or maybe even a contact) before calling / dialling (eg. change the suffix) with HTC HD2 (or Windows mobile in general)???
Even my stoneage Nokias could do this... Very helpful feature if trying to call different numbers (suffixes) in one company or after mistyping a number and noticing it after hitting the "Call" button (you could then take the number from history and correct the typo instead of re-entering the whole number).
I found no way with my top notch HD2 to perform this simple task. Any tricks at hand? Any (simple, probably free) apps that may help?
(Is there anyone at all who shares my need? )
Thanks for your help!
surprisingly enough, and ridiculously enough, as far as I've tried until now, that's not possible, unless you keep the number in your head and type it in the dialer, or copy/paste the original number inside a fake contact, and edit it there in order to call that contact later.
Nothing even by far anything similar to copy/paste is possible in the dialer, not even with quickmenu
Thanks ephestione for your sympathy, pity that there seems to be no solution!
Creating a dummy contact would be a kind of workaround but no simplification. Re-entering the number would then be quicker and less complicated.
Another strange flaw of the "Phone dialer screen" I just noticed is that you can not even really edit the number you just typed in at any position (by placing a cursor). You really have to backspace-delete the whole number until the typo and re-enter it from that position on! How "smart" is that?
(For my not-so-smart old SE k800i this was one of the easiest tasks and I never expected this to be a problem...)
Certainly this problem is caused by the different concepts of "touch" or "keypad" interfaces. With a keypad selecting an item (eg. a number in a list) and then doing something with it (eg. dial or select a "use number functionality" via menu) are separate things, while in touch interfaces selecting and executing often (mostly) is one.
But in many situations this is inappropriate at least. The distinction between a single tap to select and a double-tap to execute (like known from the mouse) seems to be the better approach when there are several different things you might want to do with an Item (like here)!
Anyway, is there no one else missing a "edit number before redial/dial contact" functionality?
Anyone else with a solution (app or easy workaround) at hand?
If there is a certain demand I would even try to write my own app! Unfortunately I have absolutely no experience in programming for WinMo and accessing functions there...
Could someone suggest a good introduction to WinMo-Programming? (Or maybe anyone of the experienced developers here is keen on doing the coding? )
My idea:
App functionality:
Possibility to edit phone number selected (tapped) from call history before redialling starts
Possibility to edit phone number selected (tapped) from contact before dialling starts
App features:
Suppress dialling after selecting (single tap) a number from call history or contact (or anywhere else), instead paste the number to the "number field/row" in the "Phone dialer screen". The number could then be edited using the "backspace method".
A number could then be dialled as usual by double-tapping the number. (Tap/double-tap functionality may be switched)
>>> At least great for suffix editing. Looks quite easy to code to my unexpirienced eye...
On the "Details" tab for a contact (or a number from history) provide a button to the right of every "Call ..." entry (just like the "select number" button for the "send message" entry) with a "use number functionality" wich just pastes the number to the "number field/row".
>>> Surely needs accessing HTC Sense. Looks challenging.
Maybe also provide such a button in call (history) lists...
>>> There already are two buttons in these lists...
Make "number field/row" fully editable by providing a freely placeable cursor.
>>> No idea how to do this. May need accessing HTC Sense? Looks very complicated.
Feedback welcome!
It is simply SICK that this functionality does not exist by default. No wonder the head of win mo just got sacked! /P
I desperately need this editing function as I travel overseas a lot and ther are a lot of IP dialing facilities where one just has to enter a specific number before the main phone number, eg if in Singapore and using M1 sim card one just has to dial 021 + country code + tel number. (021 is not an international dialing code, its just a cheaper way to make international calls)
I was able to do this in my 10 year old phone but ever since I've moved to WiMo such a basic feature is missing.
I am missing it also very much!!! Tried to use the note function but it did not work ... It would be really great if someone might be able to provide a cap-file to improve this great mistake of wm!! Or anything else - any ideas are appreciated!!!
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I am missing it also very much!!! Tried to use the note function but it did not work ... It would be really great if someone might be able to provide a cap-file to improve this great mistake of wm!! Or anything else - any ideas are appreciated!!!
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The only thing I can think of, is a phone suite software from Inesoft.
http://www.inesoft.com/eng/index.php?in=phone.html
New version 6 has been released with updates.
I have attached some info in their user manual.
Apparently, it seems they have addressed this issue.
I have read a number of forums and people with HD2, liked this software.
Hope this helps.
ps. I haven't tried it, as I hadn't had a need. But I think I will give it a go, as my needs for international dialing are picking up. I have SPB phone suite, and it is almost useless.......so give that phone suite a miss. I also had phone alarm and it won't solve the problem either.
Oh, and I forgot their was PhonEx. Ver2.2 is the current one.
http://www.iconsoft.com/?language=en&menu=62e094db10fc83b1
They also have a feature to edit and add, special format numbers, which can be used when dialing intl numbers etc....
I have attached their info as well.
You would have to do some research and see which one would suit your needs better, and your device, between PhonEx and Inesoft.
Good luck.
Edit: I think between the two, PhonEx has a better dialer.............Just my two cents.......but check it out for yourselves.
just had a quick play with this, with the aim of taking a number from call history, editing it and dialing the edited number.
here's how.
from phone screen, choose number in the list by tapping the icon on the right, which calls up the history sub tab for just that number, (or the details page if it's a known contact), slide to the messaging sub tab and press the hardware send key, this loads the number into the dial screen, but doesn't dial it. now choose menu, save to notes, edit the number, select it, press and hold, choose copy, jump back to phone screen, hit menu and paste is now an option.
voila, new number just waiting for you to hit dial.
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the whole procedure sounds like the neverending story, as it would require more time than to memorize the new number and type it in
Anyway, what I have to thank you for, is pointing me to the fact that there is indeed a "Paste" item in the menu! I don't know how I overlooked that
So well, regarding my need, which is not actually editing the number before dialing but rather copy the number off a calendar entry, you just saved my day thank you
heh, glad it helped, and as usual, teh explanation takes 10 x longer to read than the process takes to do, its a 10 second thing once you know it. The downside is you end up with a pile of notes you dont want.
Not quite as simple as I would have liked but as long as it got the job done, it'd be fine. Except.... Arrrgh!
Everything is OK up until the number is displayed in the dialler. I then hit the Menu softbutton and select 'Save to Notes'.
This opens up a note, BUT (and its a big but!) the number is not pasted into the note.
If I then select Menu from Notes, the Paste opton is greyed out. If not then it just pastes the last thing I copied, which is not the number!
Help!
well it used to work! mine doesn't now either, i recently started using parts from the 3.14 rom, something must have changed.
what rom you on?
Whoops! Appologies for the late reply.
I'm on ROM ver 1.66.405.2 (76641) WWE
OS ver 5.2.21869 (21869.5.0.82)
Manilla ver 2.5.19211619.0
Hope this helps.
Edit before dialing...
Good news!
This software can help....
I started using this from Windows Mobile 6.0, then 6.1 and now 6.5.
I am using it in HTC HD2 before and after new Rom 3.14.
It works perfectly. However, you need to use traditional microsoft contact screen. You need to switch from HTC sense contact to traditional microsoft contact. It is very easy. You can also preset some prefix codes as shortcut.
Good Luck!
The software LoneTear PhoneHelper 1.2-Edit Before Call or SMS
This is quite old software but it works perfectly in HTC HD2 running WinMo 6.5.
This is the link:
http://www.lonetear.com/PhoneHelper/default.htm