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Access to 3G Network (vodafone)

Hi, I have been watching with keen interest the development of the Universal. I had the original XDA and the XDA2 but have been waiting for this 3G device before I upgrade.
I have one on back order, but not with Expansys. I have been watching Expansys wondering if I should get one through them instead of waiting however when I phoned them for some technical info about 3G networks the sales individual did not know anything about the "UK networks"!!!
So, does anyone know if you can take an unlocked, uncofigured, JasJar (such as those being sold on Expansys) and just configure the settings for 3G, or is it far more complicated than that.
I am sure I read somewhere that 3G settings need to be configured by the network, unlike GPRS which I have easily configured for my voda sim card in my xdas.
Well if it can be configured, anyone know the settings for the JasJar to use vodafone 3G ??
Cheers, Numb

jasjar on vodafone
just got my jasjar today, put in my normal sim which was purchased already on the normal 2g network and it not only came up ok but came up on vodafones 3g network with no problems what so ever.
talking to vodafone they also told me that for instance my 3g sim from my datacard which is not even on a voice contract would work though of course as i have no free minutes i would get charged at normal network rates for voice calls.

jasjar on vodafone
just got my jasjar today, put in my normal sim which was purchased already on the normal 2g network and it not only came up ok but came up on vodafones 3g network with no problems what so ever.
talking to vodafone they also told me that for instance my 3g sim from my datacard which is not even on a voice contract would work though of course as i have no free minutes i would get charged at normal network rates for voice calls.

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n1, thats good to hear. But did u have to configure any settings for 3G ? or was the phone already configured, and if it was already configured it who by, Expansys ?
If they are unlocked presumably you have to configure it to your chosen network ?
Thx fer the reply tho, can't wait to get mine now, you lucky devil.
Cheers, Numb

to make a long stiry short: settings for gprs and umts/3g are the same, no need to change anything, if you have your vodafone gprs set you are ready to use 3g as well.
cheers, lutz

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:lol: n1 lutzh that is what I was after. Keeping my fingers crossed for early next week. Otherwise I may to try a different distributer.
Thx again for the heads up.
Cheers, Numb

MDA Compact and 3G network UK

Hi all,
Congrats for the nice forum. I got my MDA compact sim free recently which I used with my Vodafone UK sim card and it worked fine. However I have signed a new contract on 3G UK in Phones4you where I was convinced by the dealer that the sim card can be used to another sim free phone apart from the 3G Nokia 6680 I have taken. It seems that this was not true because when I insert the sim card in the MDA it says "Ivalid Sim Card" and I can't use it now. Do you know any way I could manage my problem? Any advice is appreciated. Thank you very much.

I'm interested in this too. I have considered switching to the 3 network but that fact that you have to use their phones has thus far put me off.

kneeslasher said:
I'm interested in this too. I have considered switching to the 3 network but that fact that you have to use their phones has thus far put me off.
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Yes, they have good price plans, but I am really disappointed cause I can't use my MDA. Their sim cards seem to be locked and unfortunately I have no idea whether there is any way to make it suitable to non-3G phones.

The dealer lied.
3 will not allow non 3G phones because it involve cost to them. Three roam to O2's GSM (2G and 2.5G) when you are out of range of the 3 network and that costs them money. If you have a 2.5G phone like the Magician then it will be permanently roamed to O2 and they would make no money from you becasue they would be billed by O2 for your calls.

Don't forget you get a "cooling off" period on these contracts. Might be worth using it.

MDA Compact is not a UMTS phone! :roll: I think it couldn't operate in 3G networks! Correct me if I'm wrong.

GAINER said:
MDA Compact is not a UMTS phone! :roll: I think it couldn't operate in 3G networks! Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I believe this is true

I tried Orange 3G sim card and it worked just fine on my MDA compact.. :?
Was able to make phonecalls and access the internet without any prob.

RT-PRO said:
I tried Orange 3G sim card and it worked just fine on my MDA compact.. :?
Was able to make phonecalls and access the internet without any prob.
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Are you sure?! This is very strange! Are you talking about Orange in Israel?! :shock:

Thank you all for the replys, it seems that unfortunately in UK it would be impossible to use 3G card on the MDA. As the 6680 has nothing in common with the MDA I hope my bills to compensate the inconvenience :mrgreen:

3G
Using a non umts phone like the magician to connect to a umts network seems to me a very strange and bad idea.
Wait until next year (not so long) and buy the HTC Hermes or the XDA version : it's a S110 with the features of a QTEK 9100 and umts and wifi and ....

GAINER said:
RT-PRO said:
I tried Orange 3G sim card and it worked just fine on my MDA compact.. :?
Was able to make phonecalls and access the internet without any prob.
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Are you sure?! This is very strange! Are you talking about Orange in Israel?! :shock:
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Yeah, an Israeli Orange sim card works OK on my Magician.
of course I couldn't use any 3G services... :roll:

3 is a UMTS-only network. All 3G phones in the UK are dual-mode GSM/UMTS phones.
Because the 3 network does not cover enough of the UK it has an arrangement with O2 so that 3 phones will 'roam' to O2 when out of 3 coverage. When they do this they use O2's GSM network. So, a GSM phone with a 3 USim would be permanently roamed to O2 as I said earlier.
An Orange USim will work in an Orange GSM phone. Orange (in the UK) have a GSM Network and are rolling out a UMTS network. When an Orange phone is out of reach of the Orange UMTS network, it simply uses the Orange GSM network instead. Now if you put a usim into an Orange GSM phone, it simply accesses the Orange GSM network and can't see the UMTS one. Oh and it will be able to use the 2.5G GPRS system as well.
A bit wordy but I think it's clear.

also remember folks thats "3" use a 5volt sim card unlike every other uk network that still use the old 3volt cards.

XDA Exec in Japan

Hi,
I hope someone can help
Just bought a XDA Exec so that can use it in japan to replace my M1000 which is a A1000 in disgise
At the moment I'm using DoCoMo but I'm getting some strange problems the phone takes ages to lock to the signal and sometimes wouldn't ring
I can't seem to get the internet to work with my M1000 setting
The only other 3G network is Vodaphone so i'm wondering if it would be any better than DoCoMo service and if anyone has managed to get the internet work on any one of these networks
Thanks
Rob :?[/b]

Hi, Tokyorob
I think DoCoMo is no suitable and improper for using Exec.
The standard of the cellular phone base stations are different between DoCoMo and others .
DoCoMo's base station named Release99, and the World standard one named Release4.
DoCoMo has also R4 station, but they are only 30 percent of all its stations, and 70 percent are R99.
All devices of DoCoMo are built as Suitable for R99 and R4 both.
M1000 is also that.
But HTC Universal is suitable only for R4.
That's why your Exec can not catch the wave of DoCoMo.
You'd better getting Vodafone USIM.
Regards

Thanks Shamilsh,
That's explains the drop outs
I did try out the Vodafone USIM and found it locked on faster but I still can't get the packet transfer to work
any ideas ?

Can I ask you something?
Hello Guys,
I dont mean to look silly but, as far as I know Japan networks are not GSM, they operate on CDMA, or am I mistaken?!
Thank you & have a great day all.

Tokyorob
You have two means to connect internet with your Exec.
One is UMTS Network of Vodafone KK.
Just you can set DialUp with your Exec setting Utility.
Select a modem: Callular Line(GPRS,3G)
Access Point Name: vodafone
User Name: [email protected]
Password: vodafone
And another is using bluetooth modem like as M1000.
Setting is same as M1000's one.
Regards

Thanks Shamilsh
Tried the config with my friends USIM and it worked..
What pricing package are you on ?
I was looking at the Dual Packet Flat-rate but told by my friend that it doesn't cover everything
Vodafone are less than helpful on the matter
Basically I want to be able to :-
Have the 3G connection on all the time
surf the web
run pocket msn/messager
do you think that will be covered ?
Thanks
Rob

Hi Rob
to use internet, you need to contract package "Happy Packet Super Plan"
or "Data Value Pack Plan".
But on "Data Value Pack", you can not make voice call.
with "Dual Packet Flat Plan", you will not be able to use MSN Meesenger nor E-mail nor Skype, because it is not real internet but it is WAP.
Very sorry but our situation around Mobile is very Inconvenience and non-flexible.

Shamilsh,
Many thanks
contracted to the "Happy Packet Super Plan" going to see what my monthly bill is going to be ..
Rob

web n walk and web n walk pro

me again
i was reading at modaco ( http://www.modaco.com/Vario-II-OUT-NOW-Telesales-onlyand33-t244456.html ) that to get HSDPA you need to have WnW PRO :S i got confused now.
is it correct?
i hvent been told that.

HSDPA is a software upgrade to the existing 3G network from t-mobile. It does not require activation by customer services, it does not cost any extra to use and is not available only to web and walk pro users.
From what I read on the t-mobile site, there are no differences between the 2 types of the service...
web'n'walk is an extra to your Flext, U-Fix, Relax or payg tarrifs.
Web'n'walk PRO is the same service, but comes with a HSDPA laptop card and could be called a data only contract. The sim card will let you make calls etc, but has no calltime or sms allowances. I beleive its market is business users on the move.
I myself have a HTC TYTN using my flext 25 + web'n'walk sim card. I have tried it in my local 3G area and HSDPA speeds were available. I did not have to activate anything and it works a treat.
T-Mobile confirmed to me earlier that HSDPA is available to anyone who has a compatible handset, users of the Laptop card and upcoming Vario II will be able to use it fully. You can also receive HSDPA without web'n'walk, it is afterall only a software upgrade to 3G, so if you can receive the 3G UMTS signal you can use HSDPA.

are you sure about that thats not what i've heard and its not whast going around on alot of the forums...

I got myself a t-mobile payg sim the other day and they told me in the store that I wouldn't get the hsdpa. I do! Good deal I think for £1 per day.

mattie01 said:
are you sure about that thats not what i've heard and its not whast going around on alot of the forums...
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Everything I said was told to me by a t-mobile customer service agent last night when I tried to activate HSDPA
My standard web'n'walk service seems to get HSDPA without any problems.
The best action would be to call t-mobile and find out if your account will have it or not.

mattie01 said:
are you sure about that thats not what i've heard and its not whast going around on alot of the forums...
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yep, adam_beasley is right. HSDPA is just 3G network upgrade, available to anyone having HSDPA compatibile handsets.

O2 UK - 3G Signal

I am in the UK and on O2 and no matter where I seem to go I cannot pick up a 3G signal...Edge is the best I get.
Is anyone else with O2 and has managed to pick up a 3G signal?

yes get a H in lots of places anoying thing is at work i keep swapping between full nomal G and 1 bar of H

andydprice said:
I am in the UK and on O2 and no matter where I seem to go I cannot pick up a 3G signal...Edge is the best I get.
Is anyone else with O2 and has managed to pick up a 3G signal?
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I don't think I've seen my O2 HD2 drop away from a 3G signal yet! Its sat on 3G/HSDPA since I got it.

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I don't think I've seen my O2 HD2 drop away from a 3G signal yet! Its sat on 3G/HSDPA since I got it.
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Its alright for some!
Just took a quick look at mine and once again its Edge....I had heard O2 was pretty poor for 3G signals; I take it I shouldn't need to configure anything on the phone - if a 3G signal is there it should just pick it up?

I didnt even know that there was anything else apart from GSM until i moved out of the valley when i was a teenager to go uni. You might just be unlucky and in an area with no 3G coverage.

how old is the sim card? i couldnt get anything other than gprs/edge but that was due to my sim card not being 3g

I had the same issue. I requested a new 3g sim from o2 as I had my existing sim for at about 9 years, noticed that the gold contacts on the new sim were configured differently. Upon using the new sim have always received HSDPA signal. I suggest you request for a new 3g sim .

cees1969 said:
I had the same issue. I requested a new 3g sim from o2 as I had my existing sim for at about 9 years, noticed that the gold contacts on the new sim were configured differently. Upon using the new sim have always received HSDPA signal. I suggest you request for a new 3g sim .
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I had the same problem, old sim card. just nip into an O2 shop and pick one up. I called up to activate mine and it was working within 10 minutes

i generally get H unless im at work in which case i get crap signal and slow net lol and thats the time i want to play on phone haha

Chees guys....yes the sim card is pretty old.
I'll give it a whirl and see how I get on.
Ta!

It will be due to the SIM card, I called O2, asked for a 3G sim, and i got one the next day!

I switched from the touch pro to the HD2 and stopped getting 3g or hsdpa. I installed a cab from the touch x thread in the themes forum. That put a switch in comm manager to turn 3g back on.

andydprice said:
I am in the UK and on O2 and no matter where I seem to go I cannot pick up a 3G signal...Edge is the best I get.
Is anyone else with O2 and has managed to pick up a 3G signal?
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Yep Andy, it's your sim, I was paying O2 for 3G for 3 years and only getting Edge until a sales rep at a Vodafone shop noticed and told me to ask O2 for a new sim.
Result!! HSDPA at my home address.
Good Luck.

Hmm, think I may need a new sim too then. I assumed i was in a dodgy reception area, and have never seen a 3g signal. Is there a specific phone number/email address for this? Will they just send a new sim out if you just ask for a new one?

Good advice, let us know whether the new Sim does the trick.
I have a new (year old) o2 sim and can get on 3g/HSDPA in covered areas normally but I find the connection less than consistent in places that aren't 'fully' covered.
In my Hermes or in my o2's mobile bb dongle I can get a constant 3g connection with no dropouts, whereas my HD2 has trouble keeping that kind of consistency, going from full 'G' to 1-2 bar 3g (or more).
I flashed with a new radio which seems to have helped somewhat, but at my gf's place where there is currently no hard-wired broadband and 3g is needed, I end up connecting to WMWiFiRouter on her Hermes as a constant 3g connection is guaranteed. Mine will drop to 'G' seemingly at random and can take some time to find 3g again.
I'm going to flash with various other radios when I get some time this week and will post the results in this thread too, as everyone here will likely be o2 users possibly in the same boat.
Using HTC 1.66 Rom, radio 2.09.51.03_2.

1pudding1 said:
Hmm, think I may need a new sim too then. I assumed i was in a dodgy reception area, and have never seen a 3g signal. Is there a specific phone number/email address for this? Will they just send a new sim out if you just ask for a new one?
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I would think calling 202 from your phone would do the trick, just go through the menus... if you get someone who doesn't know what you're going on about, just ask to speak to a manager / better department.

1pudding1 said:
Hmm, think I may need a new sim too then. I assumed i was in a dodgy reception area, and have never seen a 3g signal. Is there a specific phone number/email address for this? Will they just send a new sim out if you just ask for a new one?
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They just sent me a new one, no apology, no offer of a refund for years of 2.5G.
I guess it's convenient (for O2) if people just carry on thinking that they have no 3G signal, after all, bandwidth is money

Yeah just spoke to them from 202 and theyve sent a new one out. Thankfully this HD2 is the 1st smartphone Ive had, from last Dec, so Ive not lost out for too long without 3g, thanks to xda.

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They just sent me a new one, no apology, no offer of a refund for years of 2.5G.
I guess it's convenient (for O2) if people just carry on thinking that they have no 3G signal, after all, bandwidth is money
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why would they send an apology?

Richy99 said:
why would they send an apology?
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For not advising me that I needed a new sim when I got a new 3G contract but charging me for 3G?
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