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What does the SYM key do?

Can't find the answer to this in the owners' manual:
On the Universal keyboard there's a button next to the Space key labelled SYM. What does it do? The manual says:
"Press SYM to enter symbols or special characters from a predefined list"
That's pretty vague, and I can't work out how the key works. Anybody got any idea?

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I think it's for inserting international characters. Eg, type e, and then sym, and then some other key (can't remember which) and it'll give you a French accented e. pretty useless, and ripe for some ideas I've got for it.
V

the sym key is for selecting special characters like ä in german or ñ in spanish. just type the 'basic' letter like n and then sym and you'll see how the letter will change.
Wolfgang

Ahhh. OK. Wonder whether I can get a < or > without using the keyboard SIP. Was a major PITA when I was trying to do a bit of programming at the weekend (brain dump while away from home) and couldn't find some surprisingly useful symbols...
Thanks for your replies.

It is actually quite useful!
If you want a < for example, put a ( then press SYM :wink:
And for £, or €, put a $ then press SYM

Hi!
I was wondering how to make a "º" using the SYM key, for writing, for instance, "nº", (short for number in portuguese) and the "ª", to write "Drª", (short for doctor in female, here!)
Then, I researched at this forum and I found this:
1) copy sym.txt from the Universal:s windows-directory
2) remove readonly
3) open file, edit order of symbols, so the most used ones gets in second place for that character-variation
(in my case:
aåäàáâąãăæ
AÅÄÀÁÅĄÃĂÆ
cçćč©
CÇĆČ©
dð
...
4) save the textfile and put it back into the /windows-directory.
5) Softreset
First [Sym]-press for o becomes ö and it is much faster to write in swedish...
Well, that's what I did, I erased some caracters I dont use in Portuguese and in English and I inserted the "º" and "ª", and I made them related to the "z" and "x" key!
Below, there is my sym.txt, changed for me and for my language (as I like)!
Best regards,
Deiota

Might I suggest PQZ II to change the SYM key to CTRL and enable a ton of functionality?

May I just remind that English is the only language that doesn't need accent, and see the sym key as useless. All other nationality use this everyday.
I actually find this a smart idea as I don't have to delete a caracter to add a forgoten acent.

thaihugo said:
May I just remind that English is the only language that doesn't need accent, and see the sym key as useless. All other nationality use this everyday.
I actually find this a smart idea as I don't have to delete a caracter to add a forgoten acent.
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Hey, Dutch doesn't need accents either. Well... except when we use accent aigu/grave for emphasis. Ah, forget it.
Esperanto! Latin! Any other takers?

both esperanto and latin use accent. :wink:

galt said:
Might I suggest PQZ II to change the SYM key to CTRL and enable a ton of functionality?
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Was just about to suggest this....

cant set Phone Pad as default input method

I tried to set the Phone Pad as the default input method by following the instructions here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WM5_Tweaks_Other
Set default SIP
The default SIP on practically every device is the Keyboard. You may prefer entry with a different SIP. If so, you can set this to be the default SIP through:
HKCU\ControlPanel\SIP\DefaultIM = |SIP ClassID|
The |SIP ClassID| will depend on the SIP's ClassID, which may vary per-device. You can find the correct ClassID by searching for "IsSIPInputMethod" in HKCR, then going to the top key and checking the name of the SIP that's in the (Default) value.
Please note that this doesn't work with all SIPs. Transcriber/Calligrapher are two examples of this.
You can, however, set Transcriber as the default SIP by starting Transcriber.exe on startup. (This should be moved to, or added to, non-registry Tweaks page)
WARNING: Do not assume that the below ClassIDs would be -as found- on your device! Setting it to a non-existant SIP may prevent your device from booting up!
Howevere, when I did a soft reset, the screen turned white which means that the settings did not work and I hard to hard reset. Is there any other way to get Phone Pad to be the default SIP.

Have you tried Sipchange?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=56053&highlight=sipchange

search the registry for "Phone Pad" to find the classID to make sure what you put in is correct. the wiki just assumes what the class id is from previous wm5 phones.

i realised that sometimes i am unable to select Phone Pad. any of you facing the same problem too?

vapor said:
i realised that sometimes i am unable to select Phone Pad. any of you facing the same problem too?
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I've got the same problem!!! It seems that sometimes if I select Phone Pad It doesn't work right and the system shows the default keyb.
How can I fix it?

El_Mar1ach1 said:
vapor said:
i realised that sometimes i am unable to select Phone Pad. any of you facing the same problem too?
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I've got the same problem!!! It seems that sometimes if I select Phone Pad It doesn't work right and the system shows the default keyb.
How can I fix it?
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So far, I have yet to find a solution. But if I do, I'll be sure to let you know.

alright it works now:
use this program if you have yet to do so:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=56053&highlight=sipchange
and follow the instructions there, including using the " when it calls for.
now i have phonepad set as default all the way

Dear all, sorry to hijack but can someone enlighten me to how I can get the phonepad SIP into the 838Pro? I tried installing PhonePad_Magician_Generic_WWE_RC12.CAB and PhonePad_WM5_StrongARM.cab but it does not work after a soft reset.
Can someone advise me which cab file I shld use?

uncaloke said:
Can someone advise me which cab file I shld use?
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ftp://xda:[email protected]/Hermes/Tools_and_Programs/
There are 2 phonepad CABs here, english and international versions.

@vapor:
yeah, I'm working on a version of SIPChange that will set and manage its own startup shortcut as well as allow you to change the default timeout. Getting the startup shortcut correct is one of the biggest headaches with my little app... I haven't had a lot of free cycles to devote to it lately though.

don't edit registry. it will need hard reset.
use program sipchange 1.1 or phoneAlarm
SIP need to set every reboot that bill gate brain.
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Make a call from a text message?

Hey guys, so I receive an SMS and it gets shown in Pocket Outlook. Now on any normal phone I simply press a button and I'm given the option to reply by text or simply call the number that the text was sent from.
Where is the option on the Hermes? I'm running Windows Mobile 6. Please don't tell me it simply isn't there?! Even a cheap £10 phone from a supermarket has this available.
I'm starting to regret getting this phone. It seems like if you actually want to do anything practical with it you have to pay for additional software, like spb GPRS monitor to make sure you don't spend too much on data traffic, or spb Mobile Shell to actually give it a usable thumb interface. I think it is nothing short of scandalous that all these things are included as standard on a basic Sony Ericsson phone. Such is life; pay loads of money, you get ripped off. Free, you get it all. I am slowly resigning myself to the fact that as a phone the Hermes / o2 XDA Trion just plain f***ing sucks. Back to my K800i I go. At least that actually functions as a proper phone without all this nonsense.
All I ever wanted to do was have a phone with wifi built in and the ability to play old dos games. Never in a million years did I think that there would be so many hoops to jump through.
And no one here ever did answer my question about running dos or giving me a list of what number all the keys were (e.g. "Button 0" = OK, "Button 1" = Start, etc.).
I really wish I'd got a Nokia N95 when I renewed my contract. I wouldn't then be stuck with this piece of [email protected]

well to solve ur problem..while in the text..u hit the talk button

Hey guys, so I receive an SMS and it gets shown in Pocket Outlook. Now on any normal phone I simply press a button and I'm given the option to reply by text or simply call the number that the text was sent from.
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In pocket outlook (text messages), pressing the green key while highlighting a text message will ask if you want to call the sender.
Pressing the right soft key will allow you to reply.
Regarding dos, did you check out PocketDos
http://www.pocketdos.com/requirements.htm
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or Bochs?
And no one here ever did answer my question about running dos or giving me a list of what number all the keys were (e.g. "Button 0" = OK, "Button 1" = Start, etc.).
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What do you mean, what number the keys are? In relation to what? Settings > Personal > Buttons, or something else?
V

y2whisper said:
well to solve ur problem..while in the text..u hit the talk button
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Doh!! Well that could be a bit better documented. I was looking for a context or menu option, along the lines of "call this number / contact".

vijay555 said:
What do you mean, what number the keys are? In relation to what? Settings > Personal > Buttons, or something else?
V
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I mean, every key has a corresponding map number doesn't it? For example, if you go to Start > Settings > Buttons, Button 1 is the message button on the top of the Hermes, Button 4 is the Camera button, etc. If this is the case, what button numbers are, for example, the keyboard cursor keys? Or the cap / shift key?
Also, the problem with PocketDos is, as far as I'm aware, it doesn't play any audio apart from emulating the PC Speaker. And you hhave to use plug in which take up loads of memory, leaving you nothing to actually run the games.

Yeah, I can't say I've ever used pocketdos, Dos disappeared quite some time back for me. I think it's the best we've got, but check out some of the emulation sites for specifics.
The keyboard map does have specific key codes, but they are not compatible with the Settings > Personal > Buttons buttons. I think we're stuck with the 5 or so default buttons, and additionally emulated hardware buttons using apps like AE Button Plus.
However, try an app like PQz which will allow you to use many of the keys on the keyboard.
V

Hi, just out of interest do you know what the specific key codes are? It is this list which I am after and which it may be possible to create a mapping for with DOS.

[UPDATED][Dev][All Bugs fixed, improvements] NMCalc v1.0d - Scientific Calculator

I don't know what you think about calc embedded in WM but I think that it is one big, ugly, extremly piece of @$#@.
So I made NMCalc which should satisfy everyone.
PS. If you have suggestions for some functions PM me.
Screenshots:
Screenshot of newest version
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Features (1.0a) :
*Support ( ) log, x^n, !, *, -, +, /, Copy, Paste
*7 skins
*Quick Jump to Pocket Word, just press navigation key down. (This can be useful in exams you know , Note: You are using this feature on your own risk, if professor catches you, I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE)
*Support for VGA, QVGA, WM6, WM5, WM2003, WM2003SE
*Needs .NET Compact FrameWork (look at end)
*Free coding - 50k app
Version 1.0b
*Fixed <- bug
*Added sin, cos
*I'm having problems with %, use *1.x. (ex. if you want to know how much is 75 percent of 120312, type 120312*0.75)
Version 1.0c
*Added FreeEdit Mode (enabled by default)
*Added ln, min, max
Version 1.0d (now named NMCalcEE (Extreme Edition))
Fixed "." bug
Free mode improved
Added fullscreen option that will show you expression and result in neat fullscreen
Added fn button (calls last function from Menu)
Added Pi (trigonometry now completed)
Improved screen, bigger numbers
Still under 100k app
Buttons now properly aligned
Credits : xStatProf, for suggestions (thank you sir, it is now exactly as you wanted it)
Extremly sorry for delay.
To ROM makers, you are free to include NMCalc in your ROMS as long as you PM me that you have done that.
PLEASE DONATE ME IF YOU LIKE THIS PROGRAM, MORE INFO IN PROGRAM
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE
Please comment.
Reqs:
WM device that has Net CF 2 installed

Many thanks for your app...
I have a problem when trying to delete the last entry...
The program is closed....

I don't understand what button do you press? <- ?

OH I see thanks, so whan you press <- if operation screen is empty the program crashes, I will fix this.
THANKS for reporting.

nmilosev said:
I don't understand what button do you press? <- ?
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Yes, this button: <-

this is wonderful. i need something more like Mathematics' Spacetime calc.. but this is really good.

flaviopac, I will update my app today, because of that bug.
nir36, enjoy using it.

Thanks seems good

I didnt download yet but just from looking at pictures, is there no % ?

NotLutzik said:
I didnt download yet but just from looking at pictures, is there no % ?
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I forgot that , I will add it in next version (today)

works also on 240x240 device (scrolling the window, of course)

Wow thanks for reply
Limitless power of MS .net

new Version Added!!!

Thanks for the new version...
What about a new feature:
Something like the possibility to edit what we have written without using "<--", so we can edit not only the last entry, but also the first, second, third....
For example:
Code:
5+3+1+9=
Something to edit "3" without erase all the next numbers....

Hmmm, maybe i should include FreeEdit mode, in which you can freely move with naigation keys.

nmilosev said:
Hmmm, maybe i should include FreeEdit mode, in which you can freely move with naigation keys.
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It would be very usefull!

no... i mean... i AM using Spacetime i need MATLAB like graphs cause i'm studying electronics engineering and we're plotting 3D graphs all day long
but thanks man.. it's great for everyday use.

New version

try to enter something like 0,3+0,4+0,1.....
and you'll see that the result isn't correct... there is something wrong with decimals...

flaviopac said:
try to enter something like 0,3+0,4+0,1.....
and you'll see that the result isn't correct... there is something wrong with decimals...
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try with points instead of comma , perhaps it is like programming "decimal point is comma"

Changing the symbols in the Symbols menu?

To be more specific, since I have no idea what it is called, I'm talking about this menu:
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I remember the menu on my Motorola CLIQ was much more extensive. Overall, I'd just like to be able to enter some specific symbols that this menu does not give me the option of, namely, tilde (~), Euro (£), and I could think of many other symbols that are much more important than the ones given to me in this dialouge, such as degree, cent sign, (Though, I don't use on a regular basis.) Frankly, I'll nearly never use any of the top row, nor the first two of the second row.
I saw this thread, but it wasn't very helpful.
Any help, or light in the right direction would be appreciated. thanks.

toastyc12 said:
To be more specific, since I have no idea what it is called, I'm talking about this menu:
I remember the menu on my Motorola CLIQ was much more extensive. Overall, I'd just like to be able to enter some specific symbols that this menu does not give me the option of, namely, tilde (~), Euro (£), and I could think of many other symbols that are much more important than the ones given to me in this dialouge, such as degree, cent sign, (Though, I don't use on a regular basis.) Frankly, I'll nearly never use any of the top row, nor the first two of the second row.
I saw this thread, but it wasn't very helpful.
Any help, or light in the right direction would be appreciated. thanks.
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Maybe try a different kb?
Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk

I don't...quite understand your post, as I'm using the built-in keyboard. It's not really possible to switch the keyboard out of the phone, is it?
If you mean touch/software keyboards, those don't seem to change this menu at all.

Here's a link to a bunch of different Onscreen Keyboards on the Android Market. I believe a few them are customizable.

prboy1969 said:
Here's a link to a bunch of different Onscreen Keyboards on the Android Market. I believe a few them are customizable.
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That's totally unhelpful since pressing the symbols button opens a totally different app, hence the terribly poor symbols menu. I'm using MIUI and I'm missing even more symbols than in the OP's picture. Even if I have the on-screen kb open in landscape mode and then press the symbol button with HW keyboard it just closes the on-screen kb and open the stupid symbol menu.
So we need a way to either make the HW keyboard symbol button use the same app you've selected for on-screen keyboard or edit the HW keyboard app's symbols menu, wherever that's located.

So I found out that the KCM (key character map) is located in
/system/usr/keychars/qwerty.kcm.bin
It holds the keymap for all the HW keys so you can change some that you don't use to the ones you need. It's a difficult job though since you need to use a python script called unkcm to decompile the file, edit it and then use kcm script to compile it again and push it back to your device.
There's a thread here with a working KCM compiler windows executable but I'm still unable to find a way to get the UNKCM script to work with any python decompiler...

prboy1969 said:
Here's a link to a bunch of different Onscreen Keyboards on the Android Market. I believe a few them are customizable.
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Please see my last post.
Jiia said:
So I found out that the KCM (key character map) is located in
/system/usr/keychars/qwerty.kcm.bin
It holds the keymap for all the HW keys so you can change some that you don't use to the ones you need. It's a difficult job though since you need to use a python script called unkcm to decompile the file, edit it and then use kcm script to compile it again and push it back to your device.
There's a thread here with a working KCM compiler windows executable but I'm still unable to find a way to get the UNKCM script to work with any python decompiler...
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now we seem to be getting somewhere! I've tried to compile the python script myself, but when I execute it, all I get is:
Code:
"""
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
I'll keep playing around with it.