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WI-FI and TyTn

Hi,
I am thinking of replacing my Magician with TyTn because the WI-FI is a nice feature to have.
How easy is it ? I mean, configuration wise.
Because I travel a lot and stay in a hotel.
Usually, in the hotel, they offer WI-FI access (mostly you must pay for the service).
What kind of WI-FI connection can be made using TyTn ?
Is there any kind of connection profile that we can configure and choose for ?
Maybe this question is stupid, but I dont have experience with PDA and WI-FI access (as you know that I am using HTC Magician!).
Have you ever used your TyTn to connect to a Hotel WI-FI access?
Thanks for sharing your experience.

Configuring Wi-Fi on TyTN is very easy. With default settings you just need to turn on the wifi and wait for the phone to detect wireless networks.
TyTN supports 802.11b and g (10Mbps/54Mbps)
Dunno about the profiles. You can add accesspoints/ad-hocs and choose which to use.
However, if the wireless lan you connect to is open (no encryption) and uses DHCP you only need one access point for that and theres no need to do anything else.
I have used Wi-Fi access in a bar without any problems. Shouldn't be any different when using it in a hotel if the AP signal is strong enough.
At home, TyTN can't be further than 15-20m from my AP without the signal dropping down to zero.

Wifi configuration is the same in all windows mobile 5 devices, you can connect to a network and store the credentials, so next time you connect to the same network you don't have to reenter them.
Regarding Hotel hotspots, these are usually open networks (no encryption) with a captive portal. Support for PocketPC devices is usually ofered by most companies providing this service and should be no problem in that.
I've used PocketPC devices with wifi to connect in KubiWireless, Boingo, The Cloud and T-Mobile hotspots without problems.

Be aware that the wifi range of the TYTN is tight, and WM5 has some issue with wifi:
-No WPA2 support
-No aes cypher algorythm
-Buggy with PEAP auth + certs

What About VPN, we have VPN Service in the University.Is there VPN client for WM5, for the laptops we are using Cisco VPN Client

Jorshua, forget about Wi-Fi in TyTn, its so bad.
Read this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=276904

I don't have so much problems, in the uni the signal is very good, I am asking about VPN is there client for WM5.

hotel room without wireless

Anyone know how to convert CAT5 Cable to wireless in the Hotel room. I love to bring my PDA with me , when I travel. But, I found a problem to using the internet in most of the hotel.
Problem: Most hotels only have CAT5 network , when you plugin your notebook computer, you have to go to the login page to login. But when you using PDA(wireless). The question is how to use the internet?. If you bring a wireless rounter with you. When you plugin . how to make it found the hotel login page on your PDA?

Easiest method is to buy a Wireless bridge. Linksys sells these. Its a device that will tern an Ethernet Cable into a wireless signal.

I travel a great deal and although there are a great number of ways to deal with this issue...this is how I get around it.
I bought one of the little Dlink pocket routers like this one for a great price (less than $30). What you can do with this product (and others I'm sure...) is clone the MAC address of your laptop's ethernet port. Basically...it'd work like this...
1.) Plug your laptop into the hotel network.
2.) Jump through their proxy hoops to get out onto the net.
3.) Unplug the cable from the hotel network and into the pocket router.
4.) From the router's config pages...set the NIC to clone your laptop's MAC address.
5.) Plug the hotel network into the pocket router WAN port.
Badda bing! You're sharing their network wirelessly...doesn't take a lot of time at all. I've really enjoyed the Dlink one I got...small...flexible...and it comes with a nice travel case. Linksys (or Cisco now), Apple, and others all make similar products and some of them have the benefit of not needing a power adapter and just plugging straight into the wall outlet (a big benefit IMHO), but I can't speak for exactly what kind of functionality they provide versus the Dlink product as I've never used them.
By the way...a bridge will not help you do what you want...you need at least an AP...but if you get one of the devices like I mentioned...you get the added benefit of a NAT firewall between your device and the hotel LAN (which can be a very good thing by the way).

I can't see why you can't just plug in a standard access point via the WANport. Set the internet connection to Automatic DHCP.
Then the first time you access the net it will be ready for logging in.

eangulus said:
I can't see why you can't just plug in a standard access point via the WANport. Set the internet connection to Automatic DHCP.
Then the first time you access the net it will be ready for logging in.
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Because many hotels control access to their internet connections by utilizing various methods but most often by controlling access via MAC addresses. Think filtering a wireless connection by only allowing certain MAC addresses... Now...if an AP allowed MAC address spoofing...then I certainly don't see why just an AP wouldn't work just as well (other than the fact that you don't get the benefits of a router).
By the way...this topic is certainly not Hermes specific and should likely be moved to a more appropriate forum.

One note should be made.... If the hotel is using NAT to assign IP addresss, and you use a second NAT with your router... you may not be able to use various VPN clients. Double NAT'ing doesn't work for many IPSEC VPN clients. i.e. AT&T NetClient
A number of switch vendors offer the ability to limit each port on their switch to allow traffic to one MAC address per port. A bridge would show multiple MAC addresses and typically when the switch sees that, the port is automatically shut down. This is done in many cases where there is a $10-15 a day charge for internet access and the hotel doesn't want you setting up an AP to share the cost with your travel mates. Thus they limit to one MAC address per port. The router solution would show up with only one MAC address... but you then have the double NAT issue in some cases. If you are not using a VPN, that may not be a problem.
Just some additional data points to consider.

I love the linksys travel router - more expensive then their mini router (about the same size) except for 2 things that are key for me. First, it's powersupply is embedded and 110-220v and 2 - it let's you connect it to a hotel wireless hotspot and then share that hotspot over wifi. This is great - it means that 4 people with rooms next to each other can share the fee of the hotspot and share it. It also means I can share that same hotspot with my phone! The only downside on this one over the mini router is it only has one wired out jack but that's no big deal for me!

Note that plugging a router into a network jack when the site in question is set up to use DHCP can cause some havoc on the network. I doubt many hotels are savvy enough to start hunting around for rogue routers when people in the hotel can no longer get IP addresses, but bear in mind that it's always a possibility. It's probably not a good idea to leave something like this plugged into the network longer than necessary.
Also note that whenever I've encountered a location where the establishment requires you to log into a web page in order to access anything, I've had no problem doing that from the Hermes.

Doom Tints said:
Note that plugging a router into a network jack when the site in question is set up to use DHCP can cause some havoc on the network. I doubt many hotels are savvy enough to start hunting around for rogue routers when people in the hotel can no longer get IP addresses, but bear in mind that it's always a possibility. It's probably not a good idea to leave something like this plugged into the network longer than necessary.
Also note that whenever I've encountered a location where the establishment requires you to log into a web page in order to access anything, I've had no problem doing that from the Hermes.
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The one I mentioned only asigns an IP to people on it's end and not outside - it even uses it's own IP range. It is designed to be transparent to the existing network.

Yes, I know. However, depending upon the network setup, this can still cause problems.
For example, some versions of Symantec's 'On Command/CCM' (a suite for pushing software updates to computers automatically when they are booted on the network) can communicate with some routers in such a way to where the router thinks it needs to try to provide one of its IP addresses to the network. This invariably ends up having a computer in some random place on the network ending up with a 192.168.x.x IP. When an admin sees this, he/she knows that there is a rogue router on the network.

Alot of work... as you know these hotel internet connections are controlled. If you're posting here use that 3g or even edge instead of giving the hotel your credit card to have a field test (is that a ppc program?) or field day with.

Doom Tints said:
Yes, I know. However, depending upon the network setup, this can still cause problems.
For example, some versions of Symantec's 'On Command/CCM' (a suite for pushing software updates to computers automatically when they are booted on the network) can communicate with some routers in such a way to where the router thinks it needs to try to provide one of its IP addresses to the network. This invariably ends up having a computer in some random place on the network ending up with a 192.168.x.x IP. When an admin sees this, he/she knows that there is a rogue router on the network.
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Well I doubt this will happen in most hotel networks and aside from that - I doubt that there is hardly ever a network admin on hand 99.9% of the time

The Linksys Travel Router is the product I'd highly recommend as I've been using it around the world for some years now.
It has a hardware switch that let's you control its functionality. In one position, the Wired Ethernet is simply converted to Wi-Fi and once you connect, you still get the IP from the hotel's DHCP server. If you need to share the connection with more systems (such as your laptop and your phone or with some colleagues in adjacent rooms), you just switch to another mode after logging in to the hotel's network and the Linksys becomes a NAT router and gives you a private IP.
It also comes with a nice travel case...

SayMobile said:
The Linksys Travel Router is the product I'd highly recommend as I've been using it around the world for some years now.
It has a hardware switch that let's you control its functionality. In one position, the Wired Ethernet is simply converted to Wi-Fi and once you connect, you still get the IP from the hotel's DHCP server. If you need to share the connection with more systems (such as your laptop and your phone or with some colleagues in adjacent rooms), you just switch to another mode after logging in to the hotel's network and the Linksys becomes a NAT router and gives you a private IP.
It also comes with a nice travel case...
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That's the device I've been talking about - the only thing I add to the kit is a european outlet adapter (which fits nicely inside the coiled ethernet cable included

Ameo able to share internet connection via wi-fi ?

Please excuse me if this is a stupid question
I have an Ameo , and I also have use of a UMPC - which has Wi-fi , but no BT
Would it be theoretically possible to create an adhoc network between the two devices (wi-fi) , and thereby share the Ameo's HSDPA connection ?
I realise that simply connecting them by USB cable will let me do the same thing, but I really could do without having the two physically connected
If the above won't work I'll have to get a dongle for the UMPC I think !

zoidster said:
Please excuse me if this is a stupid question
I have an Ameo , and I also have use of a UMPC - which has Wi-fi , but no BT
Would it be theoretically possible to create an adhoc network between the two devices (wi-fi) , and thereby share the Ameo's HSDPA connection ?
I realise that simply connecting them by USB cable will let me do the same thing, but I really could do without having the two physically connected
If the above won't work I'll have to get a dongle for the UMPC I think !
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I'm not sure about WiFi but I can tell you something use a USB cable, the one you use for ActiveSync. What I found this summer when using my X7500 as HDSPA modem for my PC was that using USB with the internet sharing connection was far more stable and fast than using BT wireless connection.
Now related to WiFi, just a theory. I don't think that you can with the provided software. What Internet Sharing program does are two things as far as I understand. First launch a connection to the HDSPA system and "listen" the PC either on BT or in USB. Second manage to do some sort of routing between the WAN network (HDSPA) and the "local" network (BT or USB). But I place local between quotes because I'm not meaning LAN which is real LOCAL Area Network, that could work in WiFi. I mean "local" in terms of near to the PC or something like that.
So... perhaps you will be able to connect the Athena and the UMPC using a peer-to-peer WiFi connection which looks possible to me. And for sure you will be able to generate a HDSPA connection to the WAN. But you need a program to route the data from the HDSPA to the WiFi in the Athena in order to get communication in the UMPC using the Athena as router which is the function I mention as second function of the Internet Sharing program.
OK all this is in theory off-course.
Anyway I can tell you that phisical connection using USB for Internet Sharing is solid as a rock and works great for hours.
Best Regards,
mahjong

WM5 smartphone (Dopod 577W) and Windows XP ad-hoc wireless network

I posted this thread on the Windows Mobile Owners Circle forum but it seems that my thread does not haver enough attention (4 views after 2 day), so I posted it here again, hopefully some experts may help me figure out.
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I managed to set up an ad-hoc wireless network on my Windows XP laptop (open authentication, no data encryption) with Internet connection sharing. This wireless network is used by my 2 WM devices: a Dopod 838Pro PocketPC and a Dopod 577W Smartphone. Both are WM5. At a first glance, both the pocketPC and the smartphone can connect to the ad-hoc wireless network and surf the Internet smotthly and without any extra configurations. However, some problems are identified after several observations, listed below:
1. The PocketPC can always connect to the ad-hoc wireless network, even if there's no other devices/computers using the network. As soon as the PocketPC is connected, the connection status on Windows XP will change to Connected. This is expected.
2. If the PocketPC is on, the Smartphone can detect the wireless network and connect and surf the Internet. While the smartphone is using the network, e.g. watch streaming videos, if the PocketPC is disconnected from the network, the smartphone also loses its Internet connection. This behaviour is expected as this is a de-centralized ad-hoc network.
3. If the PocketPC is off, the Smartphone won't be able to detect the presence of my wireless network, e.g. the network name does not show up in the list. It, however, does detect other network (both access points and ad-hoc). Although it can connect to access points successfully, I don't have opportunity to see if it can really connect to other ad-hoc networks (and not just show their names in the list).
My conclusion is, for the smartphone to use my ad-hoc network, a necessary condition is that there must be at least one device using the network so the smartphone can establish connection to that device (since it can't connect directly to the laptop). I cannot verify the sufficient condition as I don't have any more devices to try.
This is very strange. Why does the smartphone refuse to be the first device on the network? As I am by no means a network expert, the only reason I can think of is the incompatibility between wireless standards supported by my device. The laptop has 802.11a/b/g, smartphone has 802.11b while pocketPC has 802.11g. Could this have prevented the smartphone to detect the signal from the laptop? Only after the PocketPC is connected and re-broadcoasts the signal as 802.11g can the smartphone hardware (802.11b) detect it.
Another possiblity is that the implementation of ad-hoc wireless network on the smartphone does not allow a device to act as broadcaster. As such if the smartphone was the first to be connected on the network, it would prevent other devices from connecting. If my assumption is true, is this perhaps why the smartphone refuses to detect the ad-hoc network when it sees no other active connections?
If it helps, the icon for my ad-hoc wireless network also looks different from other ad-hoc wiress networks. Although they both have a computer on the top left and a device on the bottom right, the icon for my network looks has a blue circle at the back. What does this difference indicate? On Windows XP, the icons look the same.
Anyone can give me any clues how to solve this problem? Thanks a lot.

Polaris as WLAN Stick

HTC Polaris has included WLAN, so my Question can the Device can be used as a WLAN USB Stick, to connect the PC with the Internet (Router or Modem Connection).
My PC is far away from the Router so i dont want LAN Cable at all. Is WLAN possible via Mobile

Hmm... In theory it should work over ActiveSync/Windows Mmbile Device Center since WLAN is one adapter and AS/WMDC is another adapter.
But you'd need some kind of router software for polaris to route requests from AS/WMDC-Adapter over WLAN-Adapter to your internet modem or router.
Don't know if such software exists. I'm afraid you have to google for it by yourself.

WMWifiRouter

I have been testing WMWifiRouter and its great, the latest version 1.11 seems quite stable and I get a good connection speed considering its a mobile. Just make sure you are on an unlimited data plan otherwise you will soon clock up a nasty bill ;o)

Maybe it isn't so, but my understanding of the original question is that he wants to use the Cruise as a simple USB WiFi network card, while getting an internet access using an existing WiFi network. WMWifiRouter seems irrelevant for this task, and even if it can do it, you can probably get a WiFi card (either USB or PCI) for WMWifiRouter's price.
Bottom line - i don't know if this is possible, but even if it is, WiFi cards are too cheap today to make it attractive.

With the original rom it's possible to share web connection to a pc. So it seems really easy and possible to do it. Just connect your polaris to the web using wifi and then share the connection with a usb cable. That's all.

pereirald said:
With the original rom it's possible to share web connection to a pc. So it seems really easy and possible to do it. Just connect your polaris to the web using wifi and then share the connection with a usb cable. That's all.
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What app to share? Internetsharing share connection from cellula line only.

It was internet sharing. So if it's really not an option I don't no any. Cya