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I just found another painful bug....this one is related to charging (battery). I normally put my qtek on charge all through the night when I go to bed. For the last 4-5 days I have been unplugging the device when it showed 100% charge, put it on standby (no wifi,btooth,gsm etc.) and made sure there were no applications running. I usually leave it in the standby state for 2 hours while I finish my morning exercise.
whenever I return, I see a power loss of 20%!! I was shocked to see how I could loose 20% in 2 hours ith my device on standby mode. this time, I even made sure I pressed the power button before I closed the lid, and still...no luck :-( I still lost 19%
I guess the problem is, when the charger is connected and the battery gets completely charged, it stops charging further. I guess it reaches a fully charged state within 2 hours, and the battery starts to drain all through the night...and wm5/htc don't start charging once again when the levels go down....i'll have to do a cuple more tests until I can totally confirm that this is the bug...until then, are anyone of you guys experiencing the same problems?
Another thing I forgot to mention, once again I charge my battery from 80% to 100%, and it lasts through the entire day(12 hrs) and drops to only 40% with highhh usage (bluetooth ON throughout, gsm on with 3hrs talktime, and some light gprs usage). so it really is not a problem of my battery as I see it!
Cheers,
San
Hmmm. I hate to say, but I don't see that problem. But I do have the unlocked JasJar Universal from HTC, not the qtek. If this happens with other qtecs, maybe they load a custom software that is acting up. In fact, I could leave the device on for two straight hours off a 100% charge and I don't think I'd lose 20% unless the phone was on too.
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Hmmm. I hate to say, but I don't see that problem. But I do have the unlocked JasJar Universal from HTC, not the qtek. If this happens with other qtecs, maybe they load a custom software that is acting up. In fact, I could leave the device on for two straight hours off a 100% charge and I don't think I'd lose 20% unless the phone was on too.
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have you tried charging your device for well over two hours before unplugging? (around 8-9 hours of charging for instance?)
I don't really think it has anything to do with the qtek rom/device. the qtek rom has the least ammt of customisations on it...
I still suspect that the charging process halts and it starts to drain the battery....but the os doesn't reinitiate the charging process once again....hmm
I'll have to wait till tomm before I can do another round of checking....tomm, I want to charge it....and before I unplug, I'd remove the battery and put it back and see what it indicates...I suspect that the power would have already dropped to ~80% by then...that's the only explanation I can think of at the moment....
San
Hi Dreamtheater!!!
I exactly follow you as far as charging is concerned and I hv a Jasjar....just to inform you...I started charging yesterday at 11.30 PM and just got up to see the charge..it is 100%...no power loss...
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Hi Dreamtheater!!!
I exactly follow you as far as charging is concerned and I hv a Jasjar....just to inform you...I started charging yesterday at 11.30 PM and just got up to see the charge..it is 100%...no power loss...
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it shows 100% for me too...but in just 2 hrs, it drops to 80% which is weird! from then on, it drains normally...
I still need some time to nail the exact cause for the problem...hmm!
S
Hey dreamtheater, I charge my Exec overnite everynite just like you. Usually at least 7 to 8 hrs everynite, but I have yet to experience what you mentioned here. My Exec always start fresh from 100% and by the time I get home at nite, it will drop to about 70% so no, I'm not getting the batt drain issue like you do..
I did not experience any such behaviour with my Qtek. It charged fine over night and had 100% battery when unpluged.
Are you sure your's does not wake up for some reason after you suspend it?
Dreamtheatre, I charged my XDA Exec overnight (7 hrs) and after 2 hrs with GSM/UMTS radio on the unit lost 5% battery charge.
@DT,
You need to set the device to switch off after a specified time interval. This can be done by going to start>settings>battery>advanced and check the device timeout box. I usually set it to 1 minute.
Last night i was browsing on my JJ and fell asleep while doing so, IE and notes and inbox applications were still open. When i started, the battery level was 93%, i browsed for about 10 minutes over Wifi before i fell asleep. The device shut itself off and when i woke up the battery level was 82% which is prportionate to my 10 min WiFi use and probably 1 minute standby time before it shut itself off.
Try it out, i'm sure you will stop seeing the massive battery drain
Cheers.
Another thing. Contraty to what people think, keeping the universal's battery topped off improves battery life. Prevent it from dropping all the way to say 30% or so. You will notice the difference in battery life in just about a week or so
Another source of battery drainage i've found is when i'm charging my Exec from the USB connection on my PC - If I leave my Exec connected and put my PC into standby, it will literally suck the life out of the battery over the course of a few hours!
I think some of you have got me wrong...let me restate the problem...
I charge all night
Wake up with 100% charge
Pull off the charger
Leave it on standby for ~2 hrs (no apps running, gsm, wifi, all off)
Come back, and find a ~20% drop
Back to my findings now.......
Another morning, no luck :-(
It had 100% charge...I pulled off the battery, put it back in and restarted....still showed 100%, so I guess it really was fully charged after all. This time I turned off receive incoming beams as well....left it for a couple hours, and was disappointed to see 82% when I got back :-(
However, through the day I get excellent battery life....all day's use ends up consuming roughly 30-40% charge which is excellent compared to my prev xda2 which would comparitively loose all of it by eod. I guess if I park my device in flight mode it tends to start draining quickly....now that's my only available reason or cause that I can think of....
tomm I guess I won't put the device on flight mode and leave it just On instead. This is weird because its just me having this problem :-(
San
PS: I'm using the regular ac charger itself for charging...hmm
DT, I disabled PowerSave and switched off the GSM/UMTS radio on my Exec. After about 8 hours I had lost about 30% charge. So your 20% does seem high. It could just be the battery as loss of charge is not linear. Why not let it drop to say 60% and then do your test again. By the way there spare batteries seem to be available now for the Universal.
Hi
I have noticed something strange happening with my phone. I have started charging it every night now so that it will be fully charged the next day.
When it is fully charged, I turn it off completely to save the battery, and to stop noisy email alerts. In the morning I turn the phone back on and it says 73% battery level, despite being turned off overnight, so nothing should be draining the battery.
If I leave the phone on Standby overnight the battery level is always 90%+ the next morning.
What the hell is going on? Does anyone else notice this quirk?
You can try another battery and oberve if the problem would still occur..
It could have something to do with the difference in temperature? In the morning it's coooled off and maybe that does something with the measurement?
Did you put ur fone into flight mode.
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I have noticed something strange happening with my phone. I have started charging it every night now so that it will be fully charged the next day.
When it is fully charged, I turn it off completely to save the battery, and to stop noisy email alerts. In the morning I turn the phone back on and it says 73% battery level, despite being turned off overnight, so nothing should be draining the battery.
If I leave the phone on Standby overnight the battery level is always 90%+ the next morning.
What the hell is going on? Does anyone else notice this quirk?
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Huh, I've never heard of that before, but then I never turn mine off. When you say "turn it off" I am assuming it is when you hold down the off button for a few seconds and answer yes to "really" turn it off. I think its very strange that it uses more power off than in standby. Maybe you have come across a nasty hardware bug. Keep us posted.
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Huh, I've never heard of that before, but then I never turn mine off. When you say "turn it off" I am assuming it is when you hold down the off button for a few seconds and answer yes to "really" turn it off. I think its very strange that it uses more power off than in standby. Maybe you have come across a nasty hardware bug. Keep us posted.
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Yes I do mean holding down until it tells you data may be lost are you sure.
And it is still doing it. If I fully charge my phone at night and then leave it on standby the next morning the battery gauge will say something like 96%.
If I turn it off, it is always under 80% the next morning, this makes no sense. I leave the phone in standby now with the volume off, and the backlight and power set to switch off.
I keep it in a cradle now, this is a stock photo, not my phone in the cradle.
Charge your battery to FULL, then take it out of the phone when going to sleep, when you WAKE up, put the battery in, if it's at 100% or 99% then it's your PHONE. If it's at 96% like you said before then it's your BATTERY.
Memory card draining power
This was a ROM bug on i-mate JAMin on the first ROM versions that was available. A memory card inserted will drain power from the device. What brand do you have and do you have a memory card inserted ?
I turn my phone off last night with 50% battery left. This morning I turn the phone on and it tells me to charge the battery and then shuts off.
Here is where it gets weird; the exact same thing happened to my wife's phone except she had almost a full charge before turning it off.
What is going on?
I don't know I have gone 26 hours in mostly standby and I still have about 65-70 % of battery left. Check all your settings. I only have sync and back light to Auto turned on.
This is not normal and has never happened to me. Have you installed any apps from the market?
Little more info, please. Are your phones pre-OTA or have they been updated? Are they rooted? Did you just buy the phones? Have you trained the battery (fully charged then fully drained)? Have you done a factory reset?
Both phones are post update. Both were turned off by holding the power button then selecting "power off". Both have exactly the same apps that we had on our previous Androids (Vibrant and N1). Both bone stock. Have not factory reset, really don't want to go through the work of setup again.
I have never powered mine down completely overnight so I guess mine is not the same comparison. I might try it though just to see.
Ya they hold a great charge all day when on nut lost all their charge when powered off.
Is fastboot checked in settings or not?
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Is fastboot checked in settings or not?
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Yes it is checked
Try unchecking it
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Try unchecking it
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Is this a feature known to eat up battery? I mean if I left the phone on all night it would have still had a charge.
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Is this a feature known to eat up battery? I mean if I left the phone on all night it would have still had a charge.
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Idk, shooting in the dark here, never heard of a problem like what you have. Wouldn't hurt to try. I know the fastboot has something to do with the way the phone shuts down.
That battery behavior is just strange unless you have apps syncing frequently.
I unplugged last night at 1am, went to bed, and got up this morning at 8am, it went from down fully charged to 93%. I have autobrightness on, wifi on, gmail and exchange syncing, every other app that syncs I have it to sync at least every 6 hrs or once a day.
I've had this phone for 3 days now, and I'm consistently able to get 12-14 hrs of battery time, and that includes heavy internet use, radio, tv, etc.
Are you in an area where it's constantly trying to pull a signal? Maybe that's what's eating the battery?
Are you doing the steps to condition the battery? Charge until fully charged, turn it off and keep it charged another hour, then take it off charge and use it until it completely dies on its own, charge it back up again and then use as normal?
Yeah, but he saying he powered the phone down, not left it on and just idle. Now that's strange
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That battery behavior is just strange unless you have apps syncing frequently.
I unplugged last night at 1am, went to bed, and got up this morning at 8am, it went from down fully charged to 93%. I have autobrightness on, wifi on, gmail and exchange syncing, every other app that syncs I have it to sync at least every 6 hrs or once a day.
I've had this phone for 3 days now, and I'm consistently able to get 12-14 hrs of battery time, and that includes heavy internet use, radio, tv, etc.
Are you in an area where it's constantly trying to pull a signal? Maybe that's what's eating the battery?
Are you doing the steps to condition the battery? Charge until fully charged, turn it off and keep it charged another hour, then take it off charge and use it until it completely dies on its own, charge it back up again and then use as normal?
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Yes but he is powering completely down not just in standby mode so nothing would be syncing. I will try this tonight and see if I have the same thing.
My wife had about 75% charge, I had about 50% charge. We both held the power button until the menu came up, we hit "power off". Both of our phones had dead batteries this morning.
I would download spare parts and see what apps are using ur battery
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I would download spare parts and see what apps are using ur battery
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None of this would matter cause the phones are powered off.
If you have fastboot checked, the phone is not actually turning off. It goes into a quasi-sleep state and some low level processes may be running. That said, your problem may be related to the following thread:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=839935
the fix: enable USB debugging mode.
Another possibility, and this is someting that's happened to me in the past: the phones may be plugged into an outlet that loses power when you turn off the lights at night
Fast boot is similar to a Windows computer going into hibernation or standby mode.
Mine has been acting weird since Friday. I woke up and it totally discharged overnight... it was 100% charged when I went to bed. Yesterday it was laggy constantly and the battery has been draining at least twice as fast. Today phone locks up constantly.. apps are force closing.
... have rebooted, pulled the battery, etc... phone has gone from a dream to a nightmare in that respect.
Gonna double check my debug settings and see what happens.
EDIT: debug was turned off. I turned it on... will report back if there is a change.
UPDATE: Turning on USB debugging and a reboot seems to have fixed it. Battery drain `back to normal.
I'm having problems with It shutting off overnight while charging. Anybody else having this problem?
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I'm having problems with It shutting off overnight while charging. Anybody else having this problem?
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I just discovered this "feature" this morning as well. -_-
Did u find how to fix this?
I love the feature where the A500's battery doesn't last overnight with the screen off. I didn't think I needed to charge it overnight since the battery was at 95% anyways, so I just set it on the table next to my bed and went to sleep. Woke up this morning and it wouldn't power on. Pretty cool. Wonder what is draining the battery? My DroidX can sit on the same table for almost a week w/o being charged.
I haven't seen it, then again I play music from getting into bed till I wake up so ill try leaving it to sleep and see what happens.
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Me too
Same issue here.
i have not tried the trick that I just found that seems to extend the batery life....I put the tablet in "airplane mode" , enable the WiFi and the battery looks like it is draining alot slower. There is power being used for "cell standby" even though is a wifi only tablet
Same problem here with shutdown on charge. Right now it seems fairly consistent-
I'm experiencing them same thing when leaving asleep for extended periods. It first happened while I was charging... now it happened again when I left for dinner and came back. I don't see any setting options for that
Same here. Thought it was a "feature" to keep from using as much battery.
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So shutting off notifications seems to stop the problem for me.. except that I don't get notifications At least it boots pretty fast
Lets run some tests, shall we?
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I'm having problems with It shutting off overnight while charging. Anybody else having this problem?
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I don't think they're shutting off, I think they're crashing/freezing during sleep and not rebooting.
This is speculation by me, and could be different for different people.
Finding the problem:
The test.
Night/Bedtime
This is an overnight/while you sleep test and requires about 2hrs. of your time beforehand. Record your figures if you can and post them for debunking. A couple hours before bed and while you use the tablet during the evening, charge it. After 100% and once it's off the charger please don't use it for anything. We want to simulate the sleep process for about 90m before bed. So if you use the tablet even for a quick web surf, plug it in and getting back to 100%. We're going to allow ~3% for errors anyway but we want to be as close to accurate as possible.
90m before you're ready for bed remove the charger. Don't use the tablet simply set the brightness to auto and take note of your battery level and the time. 60m in take a look at that battery charge again and record the time and charge level. 90m in is the last check and after this whether you go to bed or not please don't wake the tablet. Don't worry if it seems to wake and go back on it's own. That's inconsequential for this test. Just put it somewhere that no one will bother it and resist using it until you wake up. Please
Morning/Wake time
Wake it up.
1. Comes on? Record the charge level and time for posterity so we get an idea of idle drain here on the thread. Everyone gets different values. You'll have to run this test at another time as your shutdown/freeze hasn't been reproduced this time.
2. Doesn't come on? Try a power on press. Comes on? Same as 1. Record the charge level and time and post it here.
3. Doesn't come on? Try a power on press. Doesn't come on? Plug it in and power it on. Now do the same as 2. Record the charge level and time and post it here.
I hypothesize a few different scenarios the summary of which is that I don't think they're shutting down, but this is mostly based on the assumption that the batteries are being charged while the unit is frozen. If they do not charge then my entire test would have to be re-designed. I surmise they freeze and don't restart so they either run out of juice or they're actually frozen when you try to power them on and the long press is rebooting the unit, not powering it on. If I am right then we should see that the batteries are drained as if they have been on all night. This is going to be very imprecise, but my idea is that we'll take the charge % of your bedtime check which is a 60m mark check and just times that by the amt. of hours you were sleeping.
So if you were at 95% when you touched the tablet for the last time, this would mean a drain of ~5% give or take ~1% due to your use while checking, per hour. You take that and multiply it by how many hours you've slept and you'd get X x 5 = 40% which leaves the tablet with ~60% battery when you wake up, again give or take 3% for errors, syncing during the night etc.
If you're seeing a somewhat accurate numerical representation of this formula then it means the tab drained all night.
If you're seeing something way off like the tablet still having way more than it should then it means at some point in the night it really did shut down on its own.
People who are actually saying it shut off probably just reboot the tablet without realizing it as it was on the charger when it froze. Since a power off/reboot press of the power button is roughly the same length as a power on press, it's difficult to differentiate sometimes.
Solving the problem:
I have had this happen twice and it was while I left GPS on.
I haven't had an android cell phone yet that hasn't frozen or reboot itself when I left GPS on for extended periods (aka overnight) so the first time this happened I instantly knew to check and I purposely left it on the second time to reproduce and the second time, the tablet ended up rebooting not freezing. If you're not technical the easiest way to know if your tablet reboot during the night is to leave a web page or IM window on the screen or leave music playing.
You may want to skip the above "finding the problem" tests and attempt this "solving the problem" test. As I mentioned, this is all speculation so I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it and I'm sure we can as a grp.
Once you rule out hardware though, then it's a problem. So if it is indeed NOT the GPS then we're at the mercy of Acer and Google because otherwise there'd be just too many factors to track down.
I'm getting this and i'm loosing a ton of battery somewhere in the process too. I think the above poster is right.
I plug in tabby. go to bed. wake up to pee. see tabby is 100% battery. unplug and go back to bed. wake up to go to work and tabby is powered off completely and battery is anywhere between 85%-90% in a matter of 2-3 hours after being unplugged.
Its likely a rogue app I would get a program like advanced task killer watch it and see what apps are loading in background after you kill all apps.look for apps you installed.not so much the ones Acer put on your tab.
With Ti backup freeze the first one you think should not run give it a day.if that's not the issue keep going down the list.
Had a similar issue it was a app I got from amazon.that was So CALLED FREE.they are not so I uninstalled everything from amazon. No more battery drain.
SOME APPS do not fallow the drained android or social rules
Watching the apps to be sure nothing is running CPU cycles allow the time I loose about 2 to 3 % batter life over night with wifi set to stay awake.
This is ideally from 11 pm until around 10 am the fallowing day.
Yes I sleep in alot giggles
re-flashed with Taboonay v.2.0/Richardtrips v.3.3 Kernel and it fixed everything.
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re-flashed with Taboonay v.2.0/Richardtrips v.3.3 Kernel and it fixed everything.
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had this on my tab for 2 days and reflashed back to stock because battery life was awful.
Hello all,
Recently i've been noticing that my GS4 battery is draining too fast, i think that it's time to recalibrate it. Since my phone is not rooted, i have searched for guides on how to recalibrate the battery.. and i found this one:
To calibrate your Android phone battery correctly:
1-First drain your battery down. Let the device switch itself off naturally. You will know if it is completely dead because it won’t switch on again.
2-Place the phone ion charge while it is turned off. Allow it to charge for at the very least 2 hours, if not 4, until the battery meter reads 100%
3-Switch on the phone while the charge is still connected to it. When your phone is on the home screen, leave the charger connected for a further 2 minutes before removing it.
4-Repeat the above steps twice more, always allowing the phone to completely discharge first.
The reason for leaving your charger connected is to allow the configuration files to update with the new, correct charge values. Some of the best ways to avoid battery usage is to make sure all connections are turned off when they are not in use – Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPS etc. Make sure your screen locks down in under a minute when not in use and that your screen is not set too bright
My question is.. is it safe to turn on the phone while it is charging? is it safe to turn on the phone when it is plugged to a charger while it is off?
Thank you in advance.
Gab! said:
Hello all,
Recently i've been noticing that my GS4 battery is draining too fast, i think that it's time to recalibrate it. Since my phone is not rooted, i have searched for guides on how to recalibrate the battery.. and i found this one:
To calibrate your Android phone battery correctly:
1-First drain your battery down. Let the device switch itself off naturally. You will know if it is completely dead because it won’t switch on again.
2-Place the phone ion charge while it is turned off. Allow it to charge for at the very least 2 hours, if not 4, until the battery meter reads 100%
3-Switch on the phone while the charge is still connected to it. When your phone is on the home screen, leave the charger connected for a further 2 minutes before removing it.
4-Repeat the above steps twice more, always allowing the phone to completely discharge first.
The reason for leaving your charger connected is to allow the configuration files to update with the new, correct charge values. Some of the best ways to avoid battery usage is to make sure all connections are turned off when they are not in use – Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPS etc. Make sure your screen locks down in under a minute when not in use and that your screen is not set too bright
My question is.. is it safe to turn on the phone while it is charging? is it safe to turn on the phone when it is plugged to a charger while it is off?
Thank you in advance.
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Yes and yes
BTW I do not believe to much in those battery calibration methods , as far as i know a new file is generated each time you switch off and back on
You can charge your phone in any status, on, off, flight mode, playing games etc.It will only affect your charging speed.
As for calibration - I have heard about such thing and try to discharge my battery till some 1-3% and full charge at least once a month. Don't know if this helps. I think also important is the environment temperature and how you discharge the last percent.My suggestion is that last percent must be discharged as slow as possible - with screen locked let it die natural way, with normal usage, very slowly. I and other usually switch all possible things to drain battery faster at this stage. That seems wrong on my personal opinion.
Gab! said:
Hello all,
Recently i've been noticing that my GS4 battery is draining too fast, i think that it's time to recalibrate it. Since my phone is not rooted, i have searched for guides on how to recalibrate the battery.. and i found this one:
To calibrate your Android phone battery correctly:
1-First drain your battery down. Let the device switch itself off naturally. You will know if it is completely dead because it won’t switch on again.
2-Place the phone ion charge while it is turned off. Allow it to charge for at the very least 2 hours, if not 4, until the battery meter reads 100%
3-Switch on the phone while the charge is still connected to it. When your phone is on the home screen, leave the charger connected for a further 2 minutes before removing it.
4-Repeat the above steps twice more, always allowing the phone to completely discharge first.
The reason for leaving your charger connected is to allow the configuration files to update with the new, correct charge values. Some of the best ways to avoid battery usage is to make sure all connections are turned off when they are not in use – Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPS etc. Make sure your screen locks down in under a minute when not in use and that your screen is not set too bright
My question is.. is it safe to turn on the phone while it is charging? is it safe to turn on the phone when it is plugged to a charger while it is off?
Thank you in advance.
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NO NO NO
Draining your battery is BAD!!! Draining it below 0 is the dumbest thing you can do. That damages your battery. Whoever made that "guide" has absolutely no understanding about his battery.
Calibrating is easy.
Charge to 100%. Pull your battery. Put battery back in. Charge again until full when powered off. Volia calibrated.
Though it will probably not help. My guess is that you just need a new battery (if it's no software problem).