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When playing a file using TCPMP, close the Jasjar (Universal), the screen and the keyboard will go off. But the external 2 keys (red and green ones) stay on.
Anyway to keep them on?
Come on guys !
I think they are lit up by the backlight no?
It has already been confirmed that there are seperate led's for the answer and hang up buttons, although they do seem to go off at the same time as the back light this is only because they are programmed to do so, not because they share the same led's.
How come they stayed on and the backlight off then?
Guys, the external keys are lit by the same juice that powers the screen and the keyboard. I wrote a hack to provide this functionality already in one of the other threads on this issue. However, keeping the keys functional will the clam closed is a harder problem.
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Guys, the external keys are lit by the same juice that powers the screen and the keyboard. I wrote a hack to provide this functionality already in one of the other threads on this issue. However, keeping the keys functional will the clam closed is a harder problem.
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But the lid was CLOSED and the screen was off, and the external keys stayed ON
How? It never happens to me.
The external key lights can be forced to stay on with the same code used to keep the backlight on. However, forcing the backlight on, but then turning the screen off (ie by closing the clam while TCPMP or VJElectrify etc is running) then the screen is off, but the external keys stay lit up.
SooSpecial: when the lights on, are they responsive to clicking? eg, pressing the external green key - will you go into phone mode with the clam down? Try using AEButtonPlus and assign an app to the red and green keys. Put the clam down. Do the red/green keys respond?
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How does TCPMP get to leave them on?
It's technically possible then
SooSpecial. Can you use the keys for anything with the clam down? Do they do anything? Are you assigning functions to them in AEButtonPlus and/or TCPMP and they're responding to presses with the clam down?
As I've said, keeping the lights on with the clam down is easy. Getting the device to respond to them with the clam down is harder AFAIK.
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Vijay, they don't respond with the lid down. Doesn't matter assigned or not.
That's what I'm crying about all the time... :wink:
rottie :roll: exactly. SooSpecial seems to suggest that the keys do something with the clam down. I've not managed to get anything out of them so far. I know it's possible (because the phone app does it), but I need to discover what kind of notification the phone generates in order to re-enable the keys. I need some new tools that I'm trying to chat with Buzz about, before I can make much more progress...
But as I said, keeping the buttons lit up is easy. Enabling them to do something is harder...
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rottie :roll: exactly. SooSpecial seems to suggest that the keys do something with the clam down. I've not managed to get anything out of them so far. I know it's possible (because the phone app does it), but I need to discover what kind of notification the phone generates in order to re-enable the keys. I need some new tools that I'm trying to chat with Buzz about, before I can make much more progress...
But as I said, keeping the buttons lit up is easy. Enabling them to do something is harder...
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Hello vijay555, All!
Neither AEButtonPlus nor TCPMP cant cath these buttons, and all other (like sound volume) with the calm down.
Also, regarding the TCPMP, it would be very usefull to assign the wired head set "Answer\Hang" button to the, let say, "Next track" function of the TCPMP. Is that some how possible?
As far as I have investigated:
- this "Answer\Hang" button is not treated as a hardware keyboard button, and it should use it's own driver? (physically, this button works by a short cut of Ground and Mic, and the device treats this as the "Answer\Hang" button click);
- the Answer and Hang external buttons works with the calm closed to answer\reject the incoming call. So, the Phone app can access them with the calm closed;
BR, Dima_the_chief
dima_the_chief: progress has been made on the external key hack... it's being tested. But it will hopefully be everything we need it to do. I don't know why HTC ever made the decision to disable this.
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dima_the_chief: progress has been made on the external key hack... it's being tested. But it will hopefully be everything we need it to do. I don't know why HTC ever made the decision to disable this.
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I'm guessing it's to prevent unwanted button presses when the Exec is in your pocket, or as you pull it out of your pocket...
Cheers,
Steve.
But why not make it optional? :roll:
The Wizard has enough fun waking itself up as you pull it out of its holster, so why not permit a useful feature? Sigh.
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But why not make it optional? :roll:
The Wizard has enough fun waking itself up as you pull it out of its holster, so why not permit a useful feature? Sigh.
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Agreed.
Cheers,
Steve.
This is a wonderful idea. Here is what I notice about those green and red phone buttons on the hinge:
It has a separate light than the screen backlight and the keyboard backlight. Why? I noticed everytime I perform a soft reset while charging, the 1st thing that will come on is the screen backlight. After a few seconds, you will notice the screen backlight becomes brighter and with it the green & red phone buttons on the hinge also lits up. So maybe the key lies in a similar application that Vijay developed before, I believe VJLumos? You guys can try and soft reset while the Universal is charging and watch closely the screen backlight and the green-red phone buttons.
cktlcmd: guys, we've managed to isolate the "issue" with controlling the external keys with the clam closed (much of this was not my work, it's the work of a genius), so eg I'm using VJCandela with the clam closed. I presume this should extend the whole distance, full control of TCPMP etc with clam closed. No reason why not.
However, the solution is still being tested and tweaked. No further discussions on it for now, don't want to get anyone excited before time. Parts of VJElectrify are part of the solution.
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vijay555 said:
cktlcmd: guys, we've managed to isolate the "issue" with controlling the external keys with the clam closed (much of this was not my work, it's the work of a genius), so eg I'm using VJCandela with the clam closed. I presume this should extend the whole distance, full control of TCPMP etc with clam closed. No reason why not.
However, the solution is still being tested and tweaked. No further discussions on it for now, don't want to get anyone excited before time. Parts of VJElectrify are part of the solution.
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WOW!!! This IS a great news!!!
Our great thanks and donations to all you, genious!!
Hi Guys.
I had a quick search for this but other than posts about the button lock "when off" thing, which I have enabled, I can't find a fix for this, what I consider to be, bug/fault/failing.
The thing which really really gripes with me is the dumb buttons all around the edges of the Universal. Sure, when the phone is off, they are disabled, but what about when the phone rings ?
I grab the phone but have to try to dance around any and all buttons because as soon as it gets a call it wakes and the buttons become live.
I've had to forget having the phone in it's case (I tried a krussell case for it but it stresses the screen hinge) because you have to wail away on the keys in order to get the thing out the case.
I could assign the functions of the buttons to <none> but it kinda negates them even being there.
A way to disable them when off and also on call receipt would be just the ticket.
gee, I really hate this aspect and if I lose another call I swear I'll throw it out the window.
I dont really understand your concerns.
I use button lock, and they do lock without a problem.
When my phone rings, the phone call buttons are active to accept or decline.
I also use the krussel case and didnt find any hinge stress, and had easy access to the answer and hangup buttons located on the hinge. mind use, i usually keep the clam closed so i had not problem accessing any of the buttons, ever.
I have also extended the ring time from the 10second default to the 30 second maximum available, so I am not in any rush to answer the phone in the first place, and dont need to visually see who is calling as I accept all incoming calls, or decline all incoming despite who it is. so simply pressing the green button located on the hinge is easy.
so alas, I dont understand your problem.
But when your phone rings, the other external buttons are also active, camera etc. So, when dragging the phone out of a pocket or it's case, you are almost bound to catch one of those butons or, as has happened, the Red call-end button on the side.
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But when your phone rings, the other external buttons are also active, camera etc. So, when dragging the phone out of a pocket or it's case, you are almost bound to catch one of those butons or, as has happened, the Red call-end button on the side.
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I tested this on mine and whilst you are right about the buttons being active, the phone answer/ignore window stayed foremost regardless. In my case i tested a button I have assigned to notes and the notes window appeared underneath the call window.
As with previous comments I really don't see the issue as anything more than trivial, especially considering the buttons size and pressure required to activate it. Perhaps someone will (or has) write a little utility to disable the buttons except for the phone answer/ignore. In the meantime I wouldn't worry about it.
Using a SPV M5000 and keep it in the leather/elastic holster provided with the phone, and have the same problem with loosing calls whilst extracting the phone from the holster. My rings before going to answer service is set at 30 secs, and that makes no difference.
Just need to find a decent case which doesn't interfere with any of the buttons.
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Using a SPV M5000 and keep it in the leather/elastic holster provided with the phone, and have the same problem with loosing calls whilst extracting the phone from the holster. My rings before going to answer service is set at 30 secs, and that makes no difference.
Just need to find a decent case which doesn't interfere with any of the buttons.
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You could try this case. I loved my previous xda2 case and this is the closest I could get with a belt clip. Phone rings, I unclip, check the green (middle) phone button, press and answer. Finish and press red (end) phone button and reclip.
BTW I'm not at all related to the vendor.
Hi all. My friend and I have swapped our phones. He wanted something more pocket-friendly and more like a phone, whereas I wanted something with a bigger screen to sling in my bag - so it seems like a good compromise.
However, the way the Universal handles power/standby and the backlight seems quite different and it's baffling me. I'd appreciate some help getting my head around it.
On my Wizard, after I'd got it all figured out, I would just pull it out of my pocket and press the power button on the top to instantly turn the display and backlight on and see what was on the screen. Then I'd press the button again to turn the display and backlight off and put it back in my pocket. While in my pocket like this, all buttons except the power button were locked, yet it would still receive calls and get my e-mails and texts: ideal. If I wanted to shut the whole thing down I would *hold* the power button and it would shut down completely.
Now I've got the Universal. Pressing the power button seems to have the same effect, but holding it now turns the backlight off. Here are my questions:
1) Why would you want to do that?
2) Why is there a separate backlight button too, if holding the power button toggles the backlight?
3) How can I turn the device fully off (apart from removing the battery temporarily)?
4) How do you generally use *your* Universal? Do you just close the screen and toss it in a bag/pocket? Or do you leave it in tablet mode and press the power button?
Thanks for any thoughts!
- Si
Re: Swapped my Wizard for a Universal: power button confuses
Wow, your friend sure got ripped off. I came from a Wizard myself, the Universal is a much more refined machine. I will try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge.
1) Why would you want to do that?
I have no clue, I wonder why there are so many backlight options.
2) Why is there a separate backlight button too, if holding the power button toggles the backlight?
Same answer as above :lol:
3) How can I turn the device fully off (apart from removing the battery temporarily)?
I've never had to fully turn it off, even in the factory manual they don't tell you. They give you a run around answer I'll quote here,
"Power button: Press and hold to turn the screen backlight on and off (you can also do this using the screen backlight button see page #9 & #17) When you close the lid the screen goes off; if you leave the lid open, the backlight will time out and then the screen will switch off. A single press of the power button will turn the screen on or off. The phone is turned on at startup, after the SIM pin is entered. If the screen goes off, the phone will still remain connected."
4) How do you generally use *your* Universal? Do you just close the screen and toss it in a bag/pocket? Or do you leave it in tablet mode and press the power button?
Becareful closing it and tossing it in your bag, the screen likes to make contact with the keyboard leaving marks on the keys and screen ( ) People usually put a small screen wipe rag in between the screen and keyboard before closing or get a silicone case. I have the silicone case, when I'm out it's in my hands since I'm not a belt clip person or in my pants pocket when it fits :wink: The only time it's in tablet mode is when I'm surfing the net or playing a game; I don't like to leave it in tablet mode as it exposes the screen to accidents.
My friend is pretty happy with the Wizard - it suits his needs better and it is amazing what a difference the 'compactness' makes if you use it mainly as a phone rather than a PDA.
Okay, so it seems you can't turn the Universal off. I always plug my phone in to charge at night, so I'm not worried about that.
I was really impressed with the ruggedness of the Wizard. The screen never got any scratches on it. I wish they made iPods out of the same material!
When you use the Universal as a phone, do you tend to use it closed? I feel sort of silly holding a chopping-board sized slab up to my ear. Maybe I'll get a Bluetooth headset
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When you use the Universal as a phone, do you tend to use it closed? I feel sort of silly holding a chopping-board sized slab up to my ear. Maybe I'll get a Bluetooth headset
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To be honest, I've only used the Universal's earpiece once or twice. It's too big to hold up to your ear for talking. When sitting at your desk, or when you're playing with it, people are always giving you the "Wow!" look but when you have it up against your ear as a cell phone they laugh...and laugh :lol:
I always use a bluetooth earpiece/headset. I have either my Bluespoon AX2 or Motorola HT820 with me at all times. Bluetooth is a must! I rarely use the Wizard's earpiece either, always bluetooth on the Wizard as well.
Can I keep phone speaker always On until I press speaker off. Or, can I keep speaker on On Lid Open and close when Lid Close?
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Can I keep phone speaker always On until I press speaker off. Or, can I keep speaker on On Lid Open and close when Lid Close?
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Hmmm...you may not be able to force it always on, but does holding down the green phone button on the back for a full second turn on the speaker for you? Cheers,
Yes, the green button makes the speaker on. However, since I am used to Nokia Communicator 9500 which I abandoned recently, I would feel comfortable if on Lid Open speaker Ons. One less button press and quick response.
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Can I keep phone speaker always On until I press speaker off. Or, can I keep speaker on On Lid Open and close when Lid Close?
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Try Phone Alarm; I use a profile than makes that.
and HOW do you do this?
Hi all,
I'm currently having a regular problem with my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge. When I make phone calls I seem to put people on hold on near enough every call. I'm assuming it must be my ear touching the button, but my ear doesn't come away from the handset.
Any ideas what might be causing this? Also, is there a way to move or remove the on hold button?
Thanks!
DJDrew said:
Hi all,
I'm currently having a regular problem with my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge. When I make phone calls I seem to put people on hold on near enough every call. I'm assuming it must be my ear touching the button, but my ear doesn't come away from the handset.
Any ideas what might be causing this? Also, is there a way to move or remove the on hold button?
Thanks!
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Yer, its how your holding the phone to your ear.
Look at the centre speaker (Where you place it on your ear)
To the left or right is the Light Sensor, When the phone is pressed against your face (i.e. on a phone call)
The Light that is hitting the sensor should be next to none, Meaning the display will turn off when the phone is on your ear.
If the display is not turning off, its possible the phone is not flat on your ear, Like your holding it away with your thumb, so there is just enough light to pass through to keep the display on.
And when the display is on, Your cheek, ear will touch and activate buttons
(Or in my case hang up on them :silly: )
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Yer, its how your holding the phone to your ear.
Look at the centre speaker (Where you place it on your ear)
To the left or right is the Light Sensor, When the phone is pressed against your face (i.e. on a phone call)
The Light that is hitting the sensor should be next to none, Meaning the display will turn off when the phone is on your ear.
If the display is not turning off, its possible the phone is not flat on your ear, Like your holding it away with your thumb, so there is just enough light to pass through to keep the display on.
And when the display is on, Your cheek, ear will touch and activate buttons
(Or in my case hang up on them :silly: )
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Yes I did think this was the cause but I have been making sure the phone is pushed right against my ear and it still seems to do it. Quite frustrating!
Okay, so try this.
have you two phones, or a number you can just call and let it connect to test.
Call the number, let the phone connect and place your hand over the Ear Speaker. Try and cover the sensor to the Left and Right (I cannot remember what side its on)
Does your screen go off?
Could be a fault in the sensor, As the screen does not detect its next to your ear its allowing key pressed
Unplug phone from charger (When on charge the screen does not turn off)
Make a call, and let the call connect,
place your finger to the left of the speaker (i just tested and have a video to show)
Your screen should go off