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Getting Word Completion to learn new words!

OK, this may just be a Pocket PC thing rather than a specific XDA II thing but I'm not sure.
Can anyone tell me if their XDA is learning frequently used words that are not in it's dictionary. For example, my name's Ravi and after a couple of weeks of typing emails, letters etc all ending '... Ravi', it's still not learnt the word. All it suggests is 'Ravaged' (!!)
This morning, I got a bit fed up of this so I created a note and typed in 'Ravi' about 100 times and guess what, it still doesn't learn it.
Is there a trick to getting the dictionary to learn new words or is it just my name it can't stand !!
Maybe someone else can try this and see if it works !
Ravaged

Ravi,
Did you ever sort this out?
I would love to enter a few words (including my name!) in to the database
Ashby

Check out Fitaly. 60 days trial. You will be able to build own shortcuts. And I think it's a much faster SIP then the others.

Ravi said:
Can anyone tell me if their XDA is learning frequently used words that are not in it's dictionary.
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I'm not sure if the XDA learns new words by itself, but you can add words. Not sure if there's a simpler way, but this (rather complicated one) works:
- open any transcriber-aware application
- write the word you want to add, using keyboard or transcriber
- mark (highlight) the word
- switch to transcriber; if the second row of icons is not visible, tap on the hand icon
- tap on the icon with the red check mark to open the "corrector window" (not sure if this is the correct translation for "Korrekturfenster" ); the highlighted word will appear in the new window
- double-tap anywhere inside the word.
- in the menu that (hopefully) comes up, chose "add to dictionary" ("Dem Wörterbuch hinzufügen")
Voila, you're all set!
But please be careful - I didn't yet find a way to remove words from the dictionary...
Cheers
Daniel

many thanks,
ashby

Never sorted it out - everyone I spoke to said that the OS doesn't add new words. I'm just about to buy Calligrapher - I tried the demo and it's amazing - I'm not sure that this feature is available on this program either though. I guess I've just given up adding new words but I will try Daniel's method outlined above.
BTW I tried Fitaly and what the hell were they thinking ? Is it supposed to be an easier input method than what we have already or is it just designed to fry your brain ?!!
TenGo's pretty decent though !
thanks all
Ravi

Getting Word Completion to learn dutch!
Does anyone know how to change the word completion dictionary on my Qtek 2020 / PPC 2003 to another dictionary / language?
It is said that in PPC 2002 you could swap the file \Windows\user.dct, but not on PPC 2003 (the file is apparently not there).

Try out WordLogic: http://www.wordlogic.net/software.html
Not cheap, but works very well!

ftSwitchSIP , Change SIP by one key

On my dopod 900, I use keyboard SIP and PlumSIP, I wanna switch between then quickly.
But Fn+SYM or PQZ doesn't work properly,I try vijay555's SIPSwitch,but it's hard to use.
So I wrote one to switch between different SIP.
First map it to one hardward key,
Then press the key, it change the SIP to next SIP in the system SIP list and show the input panel.
BTW , if u want switch between some peculiar input method, u can use POCKET TWEAK to hide others.
Sorry for my poor english.

thanks a lot !!!
it's what I, not only me but all the chinese, need.
thanks million times.
I also want to know the exact way of hiding some input method, as I have been searching for the POCKET TWEAK you mentioned, but don't get any outcoming.

u can got it from here
http://tillanosoft.com/ce/ptweak.html

You're really unbelievable! FTSwitchSIP comes out just one day after you posted to try to find some tool to switch SIP. Many Chinese users of Dopod 838 and 900, known as Wizard and Universel here, have been searching for such a tool for a long time. I am just one of them who is lucky to find it out first.
I've shared your amazing tool in the pdafans forum, I hope you won't mind.
http://bbs.pdafans.com/viewthread.php?tid=203195
Thanks a lot.

Got PocketTweak.
there seems no direct way of hinding input method.
Would you show me some hints?

I think it has a bug here. I have been using the rom of Traditional Chinese. Got several input methods. And hide some of them with Pocket teak. And install CE and PlumSIP. Now I have 3 input methods. 1. Zhuying ( as default) 2. Mengtian Hand Writing 3. PlumSIP. At the beginning, the switch seems ok. I am very glad and thankful. But when I swicth several times, it stuck and both plumSIP and Mengtian displayed. The PPC is hanged. Only reset can make it work.

Thanks your reply.
I'll update it on this weekend.
I wanna add some setting and test it again.

thanks a lot.
I've been searching for such software a lot.

error when toggling to pocketcm keyboard
It toggles to all the oem sips but when it reaches pcm keyboard in the list I get "sipsetcurrentIM Error=0".
Any ideas I'm getting really frustrated with nothaving a decent sip.

msiviter said:
It toggles to all the oem sips but when it reaches pcm keyboard in the list I get "sipsetcurrentIM Error=0".
Any ideas I'm getting really frustrated with nothaving a decent sip.
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the tool works fine.. maybe u can try to hide sme OEM sips u dont use and try awain.. may be a memory issue

How do I go about that then - just delete the registry reference to them?
Also can anyone give me a tip on how to locate specific bits of the registry - it took me ages to find the registry entry to pcm keyboard (i'm using regedit).
Ta

works perfectly with ipaq hx2495 (WM5)! thanks for posting this cool app!

OMG! Thank you for this. Actualy, I figured out that it's a last thing that I need to be happy with my Artemis. To be able to change small stylus-friendly SIP which I'm used to use in my office to somethig finger-friendly when I'm on the streed by HW button.
Thanks!
What about new version with ability to setup two SIP to cycle just between them? - but as I said, I'm completely hapy as it is.

Anyone able to use Resco Keyboard?

I've read some earlier msg. regarding Resco Keyboard Pro apparently clashing with something on the TyTN. Has anybody been able to get this utility to work consistently? I have the latest version, released after I reported this problem to Resco some weeks ago and they told me this release, 4.35, solves it. After installing RKB is seems to work OK but within hours it stops working and only the standard WM5 virtual keyboard will popup -- RKB will not even operate.

I am currently using it, and it works fine. I had sometime the default keyboard that poped out when I softreseted my phone, but it didnt happend for a long time by now

please search the forum : keyword 'resco' or 'sipchange' without quote. t.q.

fun_key said:
I am currently using it, and it works fine. I had sometime the default keyboard that poped out when I softreseted my phone, but it didnt happend for a long time by now
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Same here, sometimes after a soft reset it won't be enabled, one time it wouldn't start, and I had to softreset to get it to work, other than that it seems to be ok....the only times I notice it not being enabled is mainly when I have been installing or removin software
please search the forum : keyword 'resco' or 'sipchange' without quote. t.q.
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read his other post and the first line of this one...he is aware of the search function...just be helpful or "please" stfu

I've disabled the standard keyboard and Symbols right after installed Resco with SK Tools. Now I have Resco Keyboard and Paragon PenReader as SIPs and have no a problem so far. But I did have problems with the standard and Symbols.

Excuse my ignorance but why would you need virtual keyboard when you have hardware keyboard with TyTN?

raven2000;1036945 said:
Excuse my ignorance but why would you need virtual keyboard when you have hardware keyboard with TyTN?
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Honestly before I got my tytn, and it being my first pda I thought I would always use the hardware keyboard, at first it was all I used, but I have a problem with the tops of my T and Y keys being scuffed by sliding the unit open..so I started using the sip keyboard and just got where I liked it better, also I got where I liked the portrait mode more also, I can use the scroll wheel easier and such...its just kinda grown on me I suppose.
I still use the hardware keyboard when I do my postings on here, just because I can punch it out faster, but I don't like it better...my thumbs are a bit big and I have to use my nails..and they tend to slide to the side of the keys cause they are bubble shaped...it would be nicer if the tops were concave, but when I do any googling or such its just a whole lot easier to type a couple words with the sip keyboard in the search box than to slide the unit open, plus even if your keys don't scuff like mine..you are creating wear, its just a normal occurrence when you have friction.
I'm sure other people have their reasons, those are just mine.

No hardware keypboard!

I love my x7500, except this hardware keyboard that is poorly designed and not very functional. But there is the way to use this device and type very fast with built in software keyboard! Just go to the Options for keyboard and change size to Large. Now keys are accessible without using a stylus! I am very happy now.
No need to carry stinkin' keybard no more

ID64 said:
I love my x7500, except this hardware keyboard that is poorly designed and not very functional. But there is the way to use this device and type very fast with built in software keyboard! Just go to the Options for keyboard and change size to Large. Now keys are accessible without using a stylus! I am very happy now.
No need to carry stinkin' keybard no more
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even the hardware keyboard isn't that good compare to Universal, i still find it quicker compare to the soft keyboard.

Does anybody know anything technical about the KB? It should be possible to make our own keyboards for the Athena if we can just find out a little about it.
Imagine a small clip on adaptor that sticks to the bottom and has a PS2 socket on it

I've considered making a magnetic ribbon cable for "detached" use. Where you hold the keyboard in your hand and it's connected to the Athena via a magnetic cable that attached to the two components. Not sure if this would be worth anything to anyone out there but it should be VERY easy to make.

I also wondered if there was support for a docking station like use, with charger and keyboard plugged in, so you pop the athena into it and it charges as well as connects the KB.
You dont suppose the kb is actualy just USB do you?

I think some kind of slide down qwerty keyboard similar to the hermes / spv m3100 would be great. That way the keyboard could clip on the back of the Ameo and then the keyboard could slide out? if you get me?
The magnetic keyboards great if your at home, or in the office, but out and about its not practical.
I do agree that the software keyboards pretty good with large keys, thats what i use.

Yes, a slide out KB could easily be incorperated into a clip on protective case. In fact, you wouldnt need a new bk. Just mount the existing one into the slide part of the case, where the case would have a ribbon cable to make the connections.
There is a HUGE market for third party KB mods for the Athena, HTC really missed a trick here by not having some alternate kbs ready at launch.
For example, why doesnt the Dock have a KB? or a KB socket? Jeez, its not hard to put a ps2 socket in the dock, or a slot to put the normal Athena KB into it!
How about a large full size KB with Athena connector in it...

have you guys tried go-ten yet? Nothing can match this in terms of accuracy and speed. I've tried Resco, Spb, Hikeyboard, the standard default both big and small, and nothing come even remotely closed to the ease and speed of go-TEN for me. It is unconventional at first glance, but once you see it, you may wonder why was'nt all soft input keyboard so smart, easy, and quick. If you use predictive text in SMS you may get the idea right away.
There is very very small learning curve only. Only six keys most is the times, but you have the option is pressing all 26 characters.Best thing is there is a free version.
Try it, and you won't want the hardware keyboard again.

eaglesteve said:
have you guys tried go-ten yet? Nothing can match this in terms of accuracy and speed. I've tried Resco, Spb, Hikeyboard, the standard default both big and small, and nothing come even remotely closed to the ease and speed of go-TEN for me. It is unconventional at first glance, but once you see it, you may wonder why was'nt all soft input keyboard so smart, easy, and quick. If you use predictive text in SMS you may get the idea right away.
There is very very small learning curve only. Only six keys most is the times, but you have the option is pressing all 26 characters.Best thing is there is a free version.
Try it, and you won't want the hardware keyboard again.
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Do you mean TenGo??? Dude you had me searching the wrong thing on Google because I didn't want to be lazy and ask for a link. LOL
Check spelling bro.
Here's a link for those that want to look into his suggestion
http://www.tengo.net/4100/tengokeybd_sipintro.html

eaglesteve said:
have you guys tried go-ten yet? Nothing can match this in terms of accuracy and speed. I've tried Resco, Spb, Hikeyboard, the standard default both big and small, and nothing come even remotely closed to the ease and speed of go-TEN for me. It is unconventional at first glance, but once you see it, you may wonder why was'nt all soft input keyboard so smart, easy, and quick. If you use predictive text in SMS you may get the idea right away.
There is very very small learning curve only. Only six keys most is the times, but you have the option is pressing all 26 characters.Best thing is there is a free version.
Try it, and you won't want the hardware keyboard again.
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Hi eaglesteve.
Do you have a link to this software or developer info etc please? can't seem to find anything when googling for it.
Cheers.

No worries found it. Thanks for the heads up.
http://www.tengo.net/tengo_pocketpc.html

ID64 said:
I love my x7500, except this hardware keyboard that is poorly designed and not very functional. But there is the way to use this device and type very fast with built in software keyboard! Just go to the Options for keyboard and change size to Large. Now keys are accessible without using a stylus! I am very happy now.
No need to carry stinkin' keybard no more
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Tere Igor
Have you tried any of the soft keyboard options out there?

TenGo is not as intuitive as it appears, but is smart software.
OK just given the TenGo SIP a good run for it's money tonight. It is a very nice lookin application that has real potential.....BUT....the learning curve is a major drawback IMHO and not worth the time to learn. Why do I say that?
Firstly, I/we use QWERTY keyboards of one type or another every day and wether it's afull sized USB PC keyboard or a slide-out PPC keboard or SIP based, the QWERTY principle really has left an intuitive mark on me at least over the years and learning a new system does not make much sense to me if it is not going to be everywhere....just on my Ameo.
2ndly, I have no time to keep checking if the predictive text has recognised the word I intended for it to type. I mean if you don't check what you're typing regularly, then by the time you've reached the end of your document/txt, you'll struggle to make sense of what you have typed yourself!
3rd and last, I like to use slang terminology and this causes the predictive technology more problems in recognising what I have typed e.g. it will try to guess what slang I have used and effectively translate it to something similar in it's perfect english database.
Verdict? Perfect for those who write perfect english all the time and have the time to learn and train a new system,....BUT useless for those who already know what they want to type and just want it done quickly without spell checking every word as they type. It is very smart software indeed, but not natural or smart enough for the human mind. Gimme a larger SIP panel instead.
Not for me, but thanks for the heads-up.

mackaby007 said:
3rd and last, I like to use slang terminology and this causes the predictive technology more problems in recognising what I have typed e.g. it will try to guess what slang I have used and effectively translate it to something similar in it's perfect english database.
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Same for me but for me it's the fact that I regularly communicate in a number of languages.

mackaby007 said:
OK just given the TenGo SIP a good run for it's money tonight. It is a very nice lookin application that has real potential.....BUT....the learning curve is a major drawback IMHO and not worth the time to learn. Why do I say that?
Firstly, I/we use QWERTY keyboards of one type or another every day and wether it's afull sized USB PC keyboard or a slide-out PPC keboard or SIP based, the QWERTY principle really has left an intuitive mark on me at least over the years and learning a new system does not make much sense to me if it is not going to be everywhere....just on my Ameo.
2ndly, I have no time to keep checking if the predictive text has recognised the word I intended for it to type. I mean if you don't check what you're typing regularly, then by the time you've reached the end of your document/txt, you'll struggle to make sense of what you have typed yourself!
3rd and last, I like to use slang terminology and this causes the predictive technology more problems in recognising what I have typed e.g. it will try to guess what slang I have used and effectively translate it to something similar in it's perfect english database.
Verdict? Perfect for those who write perfect english all the time and have the time to learn and train a new system,....BUT useless for those who already know what they want to type and just want it done quickly without spell checking every word as they type. It is very smart software indeed, but not natural or smart enough for the human mind. Gimme a larger SIP panel instead.
Not for me, but thanks for the heads-up.
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Ha ha, that was my first reaction too. So I almost passed it up initially without giving it a fair chance.
This are the facts:
1. You have not given up your qwert keyboard. It is still functioning 100% as one. If you choose to press the precise position of each individual 26 keys, what u type on is also one of the words that can b selected. Therefore you can still use slang such as lol, gtg,brb,etc. C how I can intentionally use shortened words on this post?
2. It is to b thought is as a very forgiving qwert keyboard, because of the built-in intelligence. You can type in the exact spelling of your words, not just limited to the words in the dictionary.becausr while it tries to predict what you want to type, what you actually type also appears as one of the choices. Now you see why slang is not a problem?
3. the system is actually very smart in selecting the default hint word out of all the suggested ones. The default choice is the underlined and first hint word. You don't need to do anything in order to select it other than the space bar ( which u hve 2 anyway w normal qwert keyboard) The only difference is u need not be precise in typing. U merely hve 2 touch the correct keygroup. U got it?
I thnk u r really going 2 like it once u go thru the 3 min tutorial. THERE IS ALMOST NO LEARNING CURVE!
JUST WATCH YOUR TYPING SPEED FLIES!

btw, there is a known problem with tengo installation. You may have problem selecting this as the default sip, or even selecting it.
i'll find the thread later and post it here.

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btw, there is a known problem with tengo installation. You may have problem selecting this as the default sip, or even selecting it.
i'll find the thread later and post it here.
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Installation problems aside, I agree that one can write a very nifty speeds and that the learning curve can appear to be low. My point was that it is not natural, certainly not to me.
I see your point about being able to use slang, but as it will not be the default word selected, you have to select it yourself each time you use it or teach the database a new word (slang) in order for it to recognise it in the future.
If it works well for you eaglesteve that's great and I wish I was as capable at adapting as you are, but for me and possibly for others, I'm looking for a SIP keyboard that will help to improve/enhance the way I'm already used to typing without feeling unsure if my document/txt is being typed correctly. I know you know what I mean.
However as your experience has taught you, maybe one evenings worth of testing is not enough for me to dismiss it so easily. But then I have kept it installed for further testing alongside my usual SIP methods.
Thanks again for the heads up though.

mackaby007 said:
No worries found it. Thanks for the heads up.
http://www.tengo.net/tengo_pocketpc.html
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go here for free tengo:
http://free.tengo.net/
Go here for commercial versions"
www.tengo.net
It supports vga
You may use it exactly the same way as your old qwert board is you go choose.
But then,you'll right away realise that there is a much easier way....quicker... More flexible..enjoy.

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I see your point about being able to use slang, but as it will not be the default word selected, you have to select it yourself each time you use it or teach the database a new word (slang) in order for it to recognise it in the future.
I'm looking for a SIP keyboard that will help to improve/enhance the way I'm already used to typing without feeling unsure if my document/txt is being typed correctly. I know you know what I mean.
though.
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You don't have to teach the dictionary that the slang is a valid word. when you use it the first time, there will be an audio warning. But if you used it once, it automatically gets into the dictionary, and become just another normal word the next time you type it
Funny it is exactly because I want an SIP keyboard that will help to improve/enhance the way I'm already used to typing without feeling unsure if my document/txt is being typed correctly that I think tengo is the answer.

mackaby007 said:
Hi eaglesteve.
Do you have a link to this software or developer info etc please? can't seem to find anything when googling for it.
Cheers.
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http://www.tengo.net/

problem with predictive text

i'm using an arabic rom, but when entering text in english, using the standard windows mobile keyboard, i do get the regular pop-up menu with predictive text, but the problem is that the dictionary never learns any new words. for e.g. after typing wanna in a couple of msg's, the next time you start typing wan, i never get wanna in the list, just the standard words that came with the original dictionary??? is there a fix around this??

zesper said:
i'm using an arabic rom, but when entering text in english, using the standard windows mobile keyboard, i do get the regular pop-up menu with predictive text, but the problem is that the dictionary never learns any new words. for e.g. after typing wanna in a couple of msg's, the next time you start typing wan, i never get wanna in the list, just the standard words that came with the original dictionary??? is there a fix around this??
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Not sure if this will help depends on the keyboard your using, on mine just above the letter keys when you start typing it shows a bar with the letters typed on the right hand side it shows a (plus) sign click that and then you can add your new word then click the (Tick) sign
Like I said it depends on what keyboard you are using
Another option is you can search for eT9MyWords this is a program on my ROM which allows input of new words
Hope that helps

ozmoran is correct. On a lot of roms you need to actually enter the word for it to be stored in the memory banks. When you start to type a word, click on the + symbol to the right of the input box. Now type word you want again and from then on it will be saved for future use.
All words saved are saved into the eT9MyWords program which can be found if you go to (depending on which rom your using) Start > All programs. If you open up this program you can also physically add more or delete saved words
Hope this helps

what you guys are describing is when one is using 1 of the htc keyboards, full qwerty, or compact qwerty, but that doesn't apply to the standard windows mobile keyboard; on this keyboard you dont have the horizontal bar with the + sign on the end, and i did try entering the words myself into eT9MyWords, but as i said that only serves the htc keyboards...

zesper said:
what you guys are describing is when one is using 1 of the htc keyboards, full qwerty, or compact qwerty, but that doesn't apply to the standard windows mobile keyboard; on this keyboard you dont have the horizontal bar with the + sign on the end, and i did try entering the words myself into eT9MyWords, but as i said that only serves the htc keyboards...
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Worked fine for me on other keyboards as well, including fingerkeyboard v2.1. Why would you use standard windows mobile keyboard????its crap

Fallen Spartan said:
Why would you use standard windows mobile keyboard????its crap
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Ha Ha roger that

Eureka, i just clicked on the clear stored entries, which is found under settings/input/word completion, and since then, the phone seems to have miraculosly remember any new words i type.
thanks alot for all your thoughts guys.
i use the standard windows mobile keyboard, b/c i have been doing that for so long now, i very comfortable, knowing where every key is, and i'm used to the gesture's too. i guess it just an old habit.
again thanks

zesper said:
Eureka, i just clicked on the clear stored entries, which is found under settings/input/word completion, and since then, the phone seems to have miraculosly remember any new words i type.
thanks alot for all your thoughts guys.
i use the standard windows mobile keyboard, b/c i have been doing that for so long now, i very comfortable, knowing where every key is, and i'm used to the gesture's too. i guess it just an old habit.
again thanks
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Excellent, glad you got this sorted.
Obviously path you provided depends on rom your using. This path doesn't exist for me and predictive text works differently on rom I use. I'm assuming your using stock rom?

yes it's a stock ROM. i didnt want to venture into cooked ROMs, so as not to void my warranty, and luckily i havent, b/c a couple of months ago i had a problem with the LCD screen, and i got that replaced at no charge.