Hi All,
I have such a big Power issue with the Magician, or at least Orange's M500 version of it that i'm thinking of taking back the device :'(
It doesn't appear to be a device fault, but a design fault.
In the manual it says that if you press the power button for a short time (less than a second) it turns the PDA on and off. This seems to be correct.
In the manual it says that if you press and hold the power button for two seconds it turns the phone off, but this doesn't work. Instead it turns on and off the back light. If the PDA is on, it turns on and off the back light. If the PDA is off it turns it on with the backlight on.
Last night I turned my PDA into standby mode (As i can't turn the phone off) before going to bed. Around 3am in the morning my PDA woke up saying that the battery power was low. I turned the PDA back into standby mode but it complained later on that night. i.e. had a bad nights sleep last night.
I thought it best to remove the main battery so that it wouldn't continue to wake me up, making sure that the phone and PDA were turned off (no power) and let the data backup battery retain the data until i woke up (5 hours time). However, when i woke up the internal data backup batery was flat. It was fully charged before the i took the main battery out. It is supposed to last 72 hours right!!!!? What a nightmare!
I was wondering if anyone could help me answer these power related questions, as i love the device, but its useless if it won't retain the data when it says it should.
How do you turn the phone off so that nothing is running at all? (i.e. to make sure that the internal battery is only being used to retain my data)
Does activating bluetooth drain the main battery faster even when the PDA is in standby mode? (I think i may have left it switched on last night)
Why would the internal data retention battery drain flat in under 5 hours when the main battery is removed loosing all data? Does it need the main battery in place in order to work? Could the phone and the PDA in standby mode by running off of the internal power?
Thanks in advance to any help you can give. As you can imagine i'm very disappointed as i love the functionality of this device.
Neil
When you took the battery out and left it out, if you had slid the back down (this is the same as a power off) you would of been ok.
The action of sliding the back down and back up is equvalent to a power off. When you press the power button after this, it is like a cold boot. (Not a hard reset)
I hope that made sense.
So to power off the phone and PDA you have to slide off the battery cover and slide it back on again without taking the battery out. Surely there is an easier way to turn off the phone and PDA that to remove the battery cover?
Thats how i do it. I'm sure there is a different [proper] way, but i'm not sure what it is.
Hi
The main battery when flat enough to power off the pda should have 72 hours data retention, its designed that way... so if it goes flat on friday you will still have your data on monday. thats why it was designed that way and apparently it shuts of at 50% capacity.
Bluetooth active will drain more power.
the backup battery is only supposed to last around 20 mins or less, designed so you can take the main battery out without losing data. this is because Ram needs constant voltage to store contents. hence if you leave your main battery out for more time the backup battery has charge you will end up with a hard reset occuring.
The manual needs to be updated i guess. If you want to turn off the phone you can turn on flight mode which disables the GSM radio functions.
Oh and out of interest for the battery type Li ion, its actually better to keep them charged, they dont have cycles like older batteries. they only have a certain lifespan which starts from the date of manufactor and keeping them at low charge degrades them faster.
Enjoy
SpeedN
So up until the 50% point, pressing the power button just puts the PDA in standby and the Phone is still running. Only when the power goes below 50% ish does the PDA power off completely?
So after the phone is fully charged, the M500 battery life meter says there is 6 hours and 31 minutes of battery life in it. You say that the device will turn itself off at 50% battery life remaining, so that means it only has 3h 15m of useable time before it switches off? Can the phone / PDA be used when power gets below 50% or will it just not power up until its recharged?
Thanks for your help BTW very useful information.
Neil
The battery life meter will say eg 6h 31m, the device will turn off in 6h 31m give or take (usage dependant).
when the device is flat there will be still 50% capacity in the battery to allow for the 72 hours data retention. hope thats clearer.
when it is in that state it wont turn on I think...sorry been along time since i been in that state, untill you charge it.
SpeedN
Surely the easiest way to solve this (and yes I was fooled by the manuals answer to press and hold) is to enable flight mode(which turns the phone off) then turn off ? there are a few apps/ shortcuts that will switch to flight mode easily, you then simply press the off button.
Or did I miss something
I think when we push the power off button (or if we select the machine to be powered off after a period of idle time, through setting), the machine will be off except GSM functions. So when you turn on again, it takes a few seconds to make the machine runs.
You can try if you turn off the button, after few minutes (should be more than 180 seconds), then push the Green button to dial, it takes 3-5 seconds to make the dialing pad comes out.
If you do not select the machine to be power off after a period of idle time, you can use other software to "screen off" the machine, so that when you push green button to dial, it comes out very quickly.
If you turn off the GMS, and turn off the PDA, it will not really get into sleep but will be in the state of retention of data. In any case, when you wake up the machine it takes a few seconds.
Therefore, when you are on the run (say on the street) and make calls frequently, do not power off the machine so that you can make calls quickly.
That is only my experience, I have checked other HP and XDA phones, same results. So nothing to do with the speed CPU and size internal ram.
When the machine is ON, I under clock to 208, the dialing pad also comes out very quickly.
flight mode = on , thats all, it turns the gsm function off, so battery would last long.
Hi...
I've the following problem:
Sometimes my mini gets all mixed up on battery life. Maybe after an allnight charge when I unplug it from the cable it will say 0% battery. After a soft reset everything will go back to normal. Sometimes it will show the battery at 67% for example and then a second after at 0% and the backup charging. Very strange behaviour.
I have spb 3.0 and that also shows me the battery "strangeness".
Anybody have an answer to this?
Thanks
Chebas
Chebas said:
Sometimes my mini gets all mixed up on battery life. Maybe after an allnight charge when I unplug it from the cable it will say 0% battery. After a soft reset everything will go back to normal. Sometimes it will show the battery at 67% for example and then a second after at 0% and the backup charging. Very strange behaviour.
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That souns very much like some kind of hardware problem. As far as I know the electronic circuits that check and measure the battery cells are included on the battery itself nowadays. You should open the battery bay, take out the battery and see if the contacts on the side of the battery need some attention. If they look dirty scrape them clean with a needle or small knife or something like this. Also, check if the contacts on the XDA-side are in good condition. The rest on springs and llow for some movement, check if they all move freely of if one is stuck or something.
I think this could solve your problem...
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That souns very much like some kind of hardware problem. As far as I know the electronic circuits that check and measure the battery cells are included on the battery itself nowadays. You should open the battery bay, take out the battery and see if the contacts on the side of the battery need some attention. If they look dirty scrape them clean with a needle or small knife or something like this. Also, check if the contacts on the XDA-side are in good condition. The rest on springs and llow for some movement, check if they all move freely of if one is stuck or something.
I think this could solve your problem...
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I just noticed that some characters are missing in my above posting. I have to admit that the keyboard on this laptop sucks the big ones. If someone is offended or confused by the mistakes produced here are some replacement characters to insert at your discretion: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz.
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More Info
I checked the battery pack and there wasn't anything weird or that shouldn't be there. What I find is that you can see the battery app that is in the settings menu and you can see the indicator change from 100% to 0 in a few seconds and back. It gets worse with an SD card, when I remove my sd card and soft reset it works better.
Any thoughs?
Thanks
sounds like a hardware issue or battery problem.
(1) Do a full backup of your device (use something like Sprite Backup)
(2) Do a hard reset of your device
(3) Install only SPB Plus to check battery indicator
(4) See if you get the same battery issue
If so, battery could be failing or is an hardware issue. Next step would be to get your hands on a new battery and see if the same thing happens.
Anyone could help me how to solve this matter?
I just put on the table n using music for a few hours until the battery indicator below 35%, n suddenly it turn off by itself, whether I restart it again, til the Today Screen, going turned off again.
For delineation, I will give little explanation what I've done:
* I have read the post in others, like "lock" the little switch sensor behind the battery cover... I have done this, even with no battery cover attached, my magician could turn on.
Thanks....
chikarakoon said:
Anyone could help me how to solve this matter?
I just put on the table n using music for a few hours until the battery indicator below 35%, n suddenly it turn off by itself, whether I restart it again, til the Today Screen, going turned off again.
For delineation, I will give little explanation what I've done:
* I have read the post in others, like "lock" the little switch sensor behind the battery cover... I have done this, even with no battery cover attached, my magician could turn on.
Thanks....
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ur battery's life is about to end!! so the best possible solution is to replace a new one.
so sad...
but thanks...
Hello all, I would submit my problem to the community hoping to get useful information in that this completely undermines the use of this phone ...
The level of charge is shown to me is different from the actual charge left ... It takes a lot for you to come down around about 70% despite put "stress" and then usually the phone turn off .. after a few seconds of charging still shows me a nice load of about 80% .. in fact, completely wrong values
someone can give me a hand? this problem has made this phone unusable ...
Thank you in advance
problem solved guys ! you have to restore the battery chip following these steps:
-use totally you battery
-remove the battery from your device for about a minute
-put the battery into the device and charge it without powering it on
-when the charging process is complete, remove the battery from the device for about a minute
-insert the battery into the device and start normally
hope can be usefull for the future, enjoy !
Hi there. I have a Droid Turbo 2 (from Verizon) and after an update late last year I appear to have two conflicting battery managers. The phone shuts down at anywhere from 30% to 90% battery. When you push the power button to see the battery level indicator, a white screen with a vertical representation of a battery shows with the battery completely drained. This shows for about 2 seconds, then it goes away and a black screen appears that shows the current actual battery level as a partially drawn blue circle and says "Turbo" I believe at the bottom of the screen.
The phone cannot be restarted without connecting it to a power source. Based on this I believe that there are two different apps trying to control the battery level and protect the phone from running out of battery by shutting it down as a safety measure, and the one with the white screen is getting incorrect battery levels for some reason.
Is there a way to find these power modules and disable the faulty one? Or would loading a completely new ROM potentially solve this? I'm not sure how deeply battery monitoring and control apps are buried into the phone.