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Linux on PPC-Phone has anyone try this distribution?

Hi,
i found this linux distribution for ppc devices and ppc-phone devices.
Has anyone try it?
Screenshots
http://www.mizi.com/en/prod/embed/embedded_smart.htm
Howto
http://www.mizi.com/en/developer/s3c2410x/
regards
AleX

They do not sell or share the code unless you buy their hardware!
I am working with HTC ( the OEM maker for Wallaby) to get a device with Linux in it or at least the ROM with the US RIL( radio stack layers) for US.
I have seen a device with it running and it is Great!
NTT DOCOMO is making a call to open source OS in all their devices! So there will be some interesting developments in this area!

Isn't it made for 3G (CMDA) SmartPhones?
-arebelspy

So there is no way to kill my ppc-windows and install this minix-linux on my mda-II?
;-(((
AleX
(I don´t like this buggy windows)

WOW, the screen shots sure looks good! 8)

ahh, salvation from MS?
I e-mailed those MIZI guys... they probably don't have anything for us now, but notice, they sell some version of the OS for ipaq's on handango. So, obviously they do market their software.
If they get enough inquiries, they may be persuaded to implement something for us poor lost souls?
Ask them!!!! It's like voting, together we can affect them, most likely.

ronin said:
I am working with HTC ( the OEM maker for Wallaby) to get a device with Linux in it or at least the ROM with the US RIL( radio stack layers) for US.
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Hi... just a matter of interest, what do you mean by you're "working with HTC to get a device with Linux in it?"
As a few people including me are working on porting Linux onto the XDA, is there anything that might help us? :wink:

emailing and maybe calling is the best thing you can do.
Technically, this is a club. I ran a car club for 2 years (www.2gstratus.org if anyone is wondering, i created it, then sold it)
in our situations, we werent looking for operating system, gps or what ever, but we were looking for big ticket items (super chargers, body kits, etc...)
members emailed, called, what ever, and eventually, companys that normally would over look us, eventually began to develope $3000+ products for us
the more interest, the better ur chances.
there is a linux distrobution out there. friendlylinux.com i think
its form ARM. more specifically, the ipaqs
i had tried to install a version of it on my viewsonic v35, but it didnt work, the bootblaster kept crashing on me.
thats all i know
-Mario

It is really a shame for us to PAID for a LINUX disturubtion.......
Linux should be free, right? :twisted:

Linux - Familiar
There is familiar. XDA II & HP22XX long way off. Could be sooner, but NDA=$$$$
Mr.g

MIZI / Linux Response
Here's what the Mizi guy had to say (somebody more technical than me please convince him that it's a great idea to make this thing work on the XDA):
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Hello Rene,
My product doesn't currently support T-mobile with following reasons;
- To support a certain target, it requires lots of engineerings as for a
commercial level.
- To support a certain target, it requres detailed HW information.
I love to support Tmobile however the chance isn't come yet
Michael Lee
VP of Marketing / MIZI Research, Inc.
9F Sambo Bldg, 88 Samsung Dong,
Kangnam Gu, Seoul 13-090, Korea
Tel: +82-2. 538. 0230 (137)

I think it's time to send out "the letter..."

With E-TEN M500 getting all the goodies, from Voice Command via BT Headset, good technical support, and now Windows Mobile 5.0, I think it's time that we get some serious damage control from i-mate.
Please take as much as 30 seconds out of your life to copy and paste the following letter and send to [email protected]:
Hello, Mr. Morrison,
I am writing to you in reference to the recent press release on Windows Mobile™ 5.0 from Microsoft®, and your position to support it on existing devices such as the i-mate™ JAM and the PDA2k.
As I am aware of now, there are conflicting reports from your technical support groups to your public interviews as to whether or not current i-mate™ owners will be able to upgrade their i-mate™ devices to Windows Mobile™ 5.0. As a relatively new i-mate™ customer, yet a rather trusted, public individual on various websites, forums, and support groups, I am hoping that I can get a firm answer from you or another trusted, definitive, and reliable source at i-mate™.
Since the announcement of Windows Mobile™ 5.0, manufacturers and companies have stepped up to announce that their existing Windows Mobile™-powered devices will be provided with a firmware upgrade, either paid or free, and within a reasonable amount of time. Most recently, E-TEN Corporation, whose M500 Windows Mobile™ Phone Edition device is in direct competition with the i-mate™ JAM, have firmly announced that they will have a Windows Mobile™ 5.0 upgrade solution in the near future.
Your continued support with your existing product line is just as important as your innovation and development of new devices, such as the yet-publicly-unnamed HTC Universal model. From a technical standpoint, the i-mate™ JAM and PDA2k are fully capable of satisfying the minimum requirements of Windows Mobile™ 5.0. I am also sure you are aware of the unofficial development of Windows Mobile™ 5.0 installed on an older-generation HTC Himalaya model with much success, which further proves that the JAM and PDA2k are more than likely candidates to accept such an upgrade.
I implore you to consider your current customer base in providing Windows Mobile™ 5.0 upgrade support for the JAM and PDA2k, and hope that you can reply with a firm response as soon as possible, as they both will surely reflect on your stance regarding customer service and support, with which many existing and potential consumers will definitely take into account when purchasing their next mobile device.
Thank you for your time and cooperation in this matter, and I hope to hear from you very soon.
Sincerely,
Your Name Here
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Good luck to us all.

Done

done

Done

Good idea would be to post this message to other forums as well

If you get something back, put it in here

done
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dn

great idea... done ofcourse.
edit: could somebody inform ppcw.net / msmobiles.com and all other news sites about this community movement so we will get even more users to join us

done....
:wink:

BTW... I think it would be a good idea to ask i-mate for widcomm bluetooth stack.. instead of the crappy M$ one....

done! :twisted: :evil:

I worte to him 2 weeks ago and this is the letter I got back pertaining to the crappy customer service and hopeless ROM updates that tend solve some problems only to create more.
______________________________________________________
Dear Mr McClure,
Thank you for taking the time to write to us. I apologise that your experience hasn't been first rate.
Certain areas of our products do develop over time and we feel it important that new features an improvements are given to our customers as soon as they are available. Windows Media 10 became available firstly on the i-mate JAM, and we are now rolling this functionality onto our other device platforms. Similarly with video MMS capability on the JAM, improvements in camera software and post processing. New Bluetooth devices continue to enter into the market and occasionally we need to provide patches to ensure correct operation with our devices. We also receive service releases from Microsoft which we endeavour to release to our customers. We do try to stagger releases so that customers are not overloaded with patches and updates. Some critical updates we do release as patches, but we prefer to roll them up into single updates. We do perform stringent quality assurance on new builds to ensure we don't introduce new issues. This is far from our intention.
Best regards,
John Williamson
VP Technology
i-mate™
Office No. 207-213
Building 11
PO Box 500085
Dubai Internet City
Dubai, UAE
Tel: 00 971 (0) 4 390 1989
DDI: 00 971 (0) 4 367 8501
Fax: 00 971 (0) 4 390 4428
Mob: 00 971 (0) 50 550 8879

The camera still sucks.
johnannie said:
I worte to him 2 weeks ago and this is the letter I got back pertaining to the crappy customer service and hopeless ROM updates that tend solve some problems only to create more.
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DONE!

Done

Shouldn't you address HTC? I don't think that I-Mate (or other third brands) have anything to do with the software implementation.
Besides that, I don't know why everyone wants Mobile 5. What do you know exactly about it that is so interesting for the Magician?

done.. i hope they read it though!!!!

Dandie said:
Shouldn't you address HTC? I don't think that I-Mate (or other third brands) have anything to do with the software implementation.
Besides that, I don't know why everyone wants Mobile 5. What do you know exactly about it that is so interesting for the Magician?
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I would think htc will only do it if imate, qtek, o2, orange, t-mob etc. etc. pay them to develop and 2k5 rom for upgrade.
Why would we want it? Well persistant memory alone would be enougth for me. Seriously, we will all be looking back in a few years and saying "remember when we had PPC's and the battery run out and wiped the memory. What the f*** was that all about??!"

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from chinese to english

i am planning to buy the touch hd in taiwan but the default language is chinese. i would like to change it to english. can some one give me step by step instructions as i am new at this. thanks

hellfried said:
i am planning to buy the touch hd in taiwan but the default language is chinese. i would like to change it to english. can some one give me step by step instructions as i am new at this. thanks
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Unfortunately you won't be able to do this very easily as Windows Mobile cannot just switch languages. You'll have to install an English ROM, which needs a pretty high level of technical skill (and I don't think the tools to do this are available yet).
Where in Taiwan are you planning to buy it? If it's from somewhere in Taipei's Guang Hua computer market, they *might* be able to install an english ROM for you, but it may also be too early for them to have the tools to do this yet.
Another option is if you happen to be going to Hong Kong, you can get the Touch HD in the Sincere Podium mobile phone market at Mong Kok, but they aren't particularly cheap (because they are all imported from Europe). The price will come down when the HD is officially launched in HK.
Ben

Diamond2 Manuals on HTC site!

http://www.htc.com/www/faq_detail.aspx?p_id=249&act=um

Is it normal for HTC to supply an english manual specifically for a device without GPS? Or does that mean that some english speaking countries are getting something like the Tomtom demo with one city map of your choosing installed?

Why does it say VGA recording only available in some models?
Does this mean the english OS does not have this because of some patent / chip restrictions?
If so I better cancel my order for the english OS and get the danish one.

elmalote said:
Why does it say VGA recording only available in some models?
Does this mean the english OS does not have this because of some patent / chip restrictions?
If so I better cancel my order for the english OS and get the danish one.
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No VGA recording may be intended for the north americian version, that was the reason that there was a dispute over some Qualcomm chips shipping into the US wasn't it?

shuflie said:
No VGA recording may be intended for the north americian version, that was the reason that there was a dispute over some Qualcomm chips shipping into the US wasn't it?
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What happens if Qualcomm chips get shipped into the US? Is Qualcomm ment for Europe?

elmalote said:
What happens if Qualcomm chips get shipped into the US? Is Qualcomm ment for Europe?
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That's why they have two version of their processor/system-on-a-chip:
the MSM7200A, which support VGA encoding at 30 fps
the MSM7201A, which is exactly the same except it does not support VGA encoding at 30fps (I think it is [email protected], [email protected]), due to patent problems with some american companies. All devices with 7201A are targetted for selling in the US (although some may end up in europe), while no 7200A device should be sold in the US (although I guess some grey market and private sales may end up bringing 7200A to the US).
TD2 is now exclusively with MSM7200A, so not for US. I guess the version with US 3G which is due later will include 7201A...if Qualcomm has not solved the patent problem since then (unlikely, as their 7200 line is at the end of its life)

gkai said:
That's why they have two version of their processor/system-on-a-chip:
the MSM7200A, which support VGA encoding at 30 fps
the MSM7201A, which is exactly the same except it does not support VGA encoding at 30fps (I think it is [email protected], [email protected]), due to patent problems with some american companies. All devices with 7201A are targetted for selling in the US (although some may end up in europe), while no 7200A device should be sold in the US (although I guess some grey market and private sales may end up bringing 7200A to the US).
TD2 is now exclusively with MSM7200A, so not for US. I guess the version with US 3G which is due later will include 7201A...if Qualcomm has not solved the patent problem since then (unlikely, as their 7200 line is at the end of its life)
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That means that all TD2 sold now are with VGA 30 FPS as I understand from what you are writing? And later there will be a specific 7201A for the US?
Expansys-usa.com is also selling the 7200 processor version
http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=179176
?

elmalote said:
That means that all TD2 sold now are with VGA 30 FPS as I understand from what you are writing? And later there will be a specific 7201A for the US?
Expansys-usa.com is also selling the 7200 processor version
http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=179176
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It should....or maybe HTC has decided to use software limitations to not use the 7200A abilities to record [email protected], because they figured out that would be sufficient to avoid patent litigation in the US, without having to build 2 different hardware versions with the associated problems in stock management? That would mean that 7201A would not be used anymore, and also that cooked roms (or just installation of non-US roms on US TD2/TP2, but then u have to deal with US radio with roms for non-US radio...) could easily bring video recording performance of US devices up to foreign versions. Anyway, I advise you get a 7200A version (US or foreign), which will have (or will be software upgradable to) good framerates for VGA video recording...

Surely HTC knows that using only software limitations, it would be hacked instantly
I got the English OS version, it says processor is Qualcomm 7200A.. I live in Denmark, so I assume I'm getting the European version and not one shipped from the states which has limitations..

elmalote said:
Surely HTC knows that using only software limitations, it would be hacked instantly
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As long as it does not bring them patent litigations, they would not care....In fact, I guess they would be all for it (while not giving any support nor warranty for non-official roms), if it means they sell more devices...
I got the English OS version, it says processor is Qualcomm 7200A.. I live in Denmark, so I assume I'm getting the European version and not one shipped from the states which has limitations..
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I am almost sure you will have the version with better VGA recording. As no official US models exist yet, no point in crippling the VGA recording at the moment...

I think you are right about HTC wouldn't mind at all
And I hope so too, thanks a lot

Missing programs
Well reading the manual it appears that HTC has removed the following programs from the Diamond 2
Adobe Reader LE
Voice Recorder
Voice Speed dial
GPRS monitor
Sprite backup
ZIP
Which where all available on the original Diamond. Is there anyway to get the "Adobe Reader LE" some other way?

sm_allen said:
Is there anyway to get the "Adobe Reader LE" some other way?
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Not really an answer to your question, but imho pocketxpdf is much better and free. It always opens documents for me Adobe LE can't open. Adobe LE drove me nuts!

sm_allen said:
Well reading the manual it appears that HTC has removed the following programs from the Diamond 2
Adobe Reader LE
Voice Recorder
Voice Speed dial
GPRS monitor
Sprite backup
ZIP
Which where all available on the original Diamond. Is there anyway to get the "Adobe Reader LE" some other way?
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Enjoy
WM-Adobe_PDF_2.5_Diamond.cab
http://rapidshare.com/files/222629809/WM-Adobe_PDF_2.5_Diamond.cab
WM-Foxit PDF -1.4.0901.cab
http://rapidshare.com/files/222630812/WM-Foxit-1.4.0901.cab

Adobe Reader LE 2.5 is present on the TD2 already.

andyturner said:
Adobe Reader LE 2.5 is present on the TD2 already.
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It is indeed!

I wanna buy a topaz ,i live in Asia and intended to move to US ,does Asia topaz's 3G works in US?
does Asian and European topaz different ? (because there is different files for download in htc User Manual for "English (Asia)" and " English" ) !!!!
what am i supposed to do?

is there any way to add
Voice Recorder
Voice Speed dial
back onto the diamond 2 as they seam to be missing?

HD2 will have a official Windows Mobile 7 ROM update by HTC - Not confirmed by MS

That is it. It is being confirmed to people asking about WM7 rom update on the device. This info is given through HTC Iberia email support (Italy, Spain, Portugal) and will probably will be disclosed through other support centers shortly. So fear not, now if only someone could make it triple boot 6.5.3/7/Android.
Oh well...carry on.
EDIT: email confirmation from HTC Iberia Support a part of HTC Europe.

This has happened before, in Russia - and that time HTC head office rushed to contradict what HTC Russia tech support was saying. So you'll have to forgive me if I wait for an official announcement before cheering....

You are forgiven . I am not talking about a tweet by a russian that decided to jump the gun. This is a confirmed HTC email support that can be tracked through support number. If you are a owner you can contact them through email support and you will probably get the same awnser. This information is now available to all users though a date is not set, it will happen.

i will try and see

ronkra said:
That is it. It is being confirmed to people asking about WM7 rom update on the device. This info is given through HTC Iberia email support (Italy, Spain, Portugal) and will probably will be disclosed through other support centers shortly. So fear not, now if only someone could make it triple boot 6.5.3/7/Android.
Oh well...carry on.
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can you giv us a link for the reply

That would disclose HTC Global ContactUs System user login info, so no way.
But please contact Support and tell them HTC Europe is giving this info out and you can get your own response.

Can you paste the contents of the reply you got from HTC?

Google translator does a bad job at it, but you will get the picture. And I don't really feel like this is proof of anything, a liar would make up the text and put it here anyways, you folks are really jaded here ain't'ya...but just so you people turn those frowns around here it goes, this is the important part of the text HTC support sent me through email:
Prezado Cliente,
Obrigado por entrar em contato com o nosso centro de atenção ao cliente.
Estamos dedicados a fornecer-lhe o melhor serviço de qualidade e atendimento para todas as suas dúvidas e preocupações.
Você recentemente escreveu-nos sobre uma questão.
Quanto a sua Solicitação, gentilmente informamos que estamos trabalhando estreitamente com a Microsoft e planejando em trazer uma Atualização da ROM Windows Mobile 7,mas por enquanto não temos as informações de quando sera lançada.
Translates to "Thanks for contacting us. We are determined to be of service to you bla,bla,bla. As for your question, we inform that we are working along with Microsoft and plan to bring a update ROM for Windows Mobile 7, as of now we do not have a release date", this concerns the HTC HD2. OK? How happy are ya now?

i thought ms just announced there will be no upgrade for our beloved hd2?

Translated...
Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting our center customer.
We are dedicated to providing you with the best quality service and care for all your questions and concerns.
You recently wrote us about an issue.
As for his request, kindly inform that we are working closely with Microsoft and plan to bring a ROM upgrade Windows Mobile 7, but for now we do not have the information when it releases.

jamieeeee - no they did not. Some people there are just way too tweet happy.
EddyOS - That is what I meant with; Google translation does a poor job at it.

jamieeeee said:
i thought ms just announced there will be no upgrade for our beloved hd2?
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In MS's words (or there abouts) they have always stipulated that there are no current plans to update any window 6.x mobile devices to WS7P (including the HD2)
No where in any statement that I have read does it say that it will not happen, it's always that there are currently no plans (that they want to allow in the public domain). Until they do this they I would not definatly rule it out, however I still wouldn't keep your hopes up.

jrrigney - the belief that it would not happen was based on a tweet by WP7 dev team and some sites picked up on it. That along with the Microsoft rep that made the three buttons remark constructed the case.
Microsoft also said it was up to the makers to give a path to WM7, that was discarded for the most part on most sites.
Now HTC support is able to give the same information I state on the first post. This information is now status quo and released through their support team in Europe. If you own one get in touch with them. If you get a conflicting reply please state so. This is not hope related as of now. As of now you all have to keep the pressure on them and let's not allow that they do an "Adobe" on us.
Not that I really am in any way bothered by 6.5 pm the HD2, this thing rocks and visual studio, basic4ppc and openplug allow me to do whatever I want with it.

i asked in three different locations in europe and wating for answer
i asked now in all europe regions with all languages even i asked in the us support for the tmobile version

I sent a message too. I hope this one is really true; it's not the interface of WP7S that I want (looks not as good as Sense to me), but new apps is really really important.

hoss_n2 - cool. I hope they are speedy.
ozkaya - always good to have options ain't it.

are we going to have topics about whether HTC/MS will give us WM7 over and over until WM7 comes out?
Even if they say yes, we still have to wait so why can't we just wait. They could say yes today but in 3 months MS could change some code that might make it impossible for WM7 to run and they have to say no again.
It's far too early to be going round in circles with the yes/no debate.
Sorry for sharing

i got my firstr reply now wating for others
Thank you for your enquiry about Windows Mobile 7.
The HTC HD2 was released to the market with the Windows Mobile 6.5 operating system. HTC is unable to confirm that this or any device will receive a future firmware update which will involve an upgrade to the operating system.
We are excited about future developments and are working closely with many partners and will post further information on our website.
We are unable to comment further on current developments in mobile technology. Please review the latest news announcement below regarding Windows Phone 7 Series

hoss_n2 said:
i got my firstr reply now wating for others
Thank you for your enquiry about Windows Mobile 7.
The HTC HD2 was released to the market with the Windows Mobile 6.5 operating system. HTC is unable to confirm that this or any device will receive a future firmware update which will involve an upgrade to the operating system.
We are excited about future developments and are working closely with many partners and will post further information on our website.
We are unable to comment further on current developments in mobile technology. Please review the latest news announcement below regarding Windows Phone 7 Series
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I received exactly the same reply letter by letter when I contacted them a week ago. Maybe (and I really hope that) the location you have contacted hasn't updated the info yet. (It was UK for me)

ozkaya said:
I received exactly the same reply letter by letter when I contacted them a week ago. Maybe (and I really hope that) the location you have contacted hasn't updated the info yet. (It was UK for me)
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uk also for me